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Love and Sex at LUMS 1: The Secret Love Life of LUMS Students
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The campus of the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) is famous for being a bubble environment where risqué fashion trends are explored and high-school soap operas come to life in the midst of hijab-clad women and the bearded folk from LUMS Religious Society. To an outsider visiting LUMS, or possibly visiting Pakistan for the first time, this campus might seem at first encounter like the ideal multicultural environment akin to an ancient city-state where all live in harmony with tolerance.
However, as anyone with a deeper relationship with the campus or its student body can tell you, things aren’t so rosy at LUMS. In fact, the campus often seems divided between conservative, retro-revisionists and ultra-modern, party-hopping, next-generation liberals. Recently, what was previously a silent divide, became verbose on the LUMS campus mail system following a mass message sent out by a conservative student fed up with all the on-campus indecency she’s had to deal with.
Sent on the notable date of September 11 to the ‘General Discussion Group,’ this mail with the subject line ‘To love or not to love’ was a real ’social suicide bomb.’ The mail hit the inboxes of LUMS students and exploded into a fiery debate on public displays of affection (PDA) and sleek clothing versus religious values and cultural traditions. Since its inception, the thread has branched out into several sub-discussions, and subsequent replies from charged respondents range from traditionalists and Islamic ideologists, to ‘Class A’ revisionist hippies and devout atheists – guys, girls, freshmen, seniors, class-clowns, serious academicians alike have freely expressed themselves. So much so that it has caused many LUMS students to complain about the clogged inbox resulting from the same thread.
So what exactly is in this mail that’s so inspiring and polarising? Well, the mail starts with a confessional disclaimer where the claimant says that the goings on of the last month (possibly Ramadan?) have left her no choice but to state her disgust in an open email. She denies any religious connotations of her views and claims to just be dishing out societal critique based on cultural norms. Then the mail leads into the explosive sub-heading: Public Display of Affection.
The complainant starts by pointing at freshmen and ‘some seniors’ who have to ‘seek physical consolation from the members of opposite sex many times in a day’ on campus premises and in public sight. Then she proceeds – like one would in any good paper assignment – to back her claims with examples as evidence:
Quoting few instances: (Readers’ Discretion is advised)
1) Standing at the main entrance, a girl stands on tip of her toes and kisses a boy good bye.
2) Lying in the lawn in front of the library, a boy rolls over the girl lying down beside him and remains in this posture.
3) Sitting in the academic block, a boy constantly rubs a girl’s leg, which are already half bare, with his hand inside her capris.
After doubly bolstering her claim with photographic evidence, she turns to the conflict this kind of social interaction has with her parent’s generation, and the awkwardness some LUMS students have to face when their parents witness this debacle. She also notes the ‘credibility’ of LUMS students and the institution has been put on the line by ‘aunties who spread rumors that doubt the chastity of girls studying in LUMS.’ Citing a personal example, she says even her parents were hesitant in sending her to a place with such a questionable environment.
She goes on to refute the ‘fake hypocritical’ tolerance and liberalism put forth by ‘irreligious and uncultured people’ and fiercely argues for the rights of ‘religious, cultured, and social people.’ Interestingly, she even takes the ‘us versus them’ stance at a point signifying the extent of this expansive cultural rift within this posh college campus.
Ending her diatribe against cultural degradation, she advises policy measures to be taken up by the LUMS administration and draws out rules that outline an inter-gender code of conduct on campus, outlawing on-campus PDA and idealising an innocent return to the ‘LUMS culture’ of the olden day when the lewd and the salacious used to be hidden behind closed doors and bushes.
This e-rant has generated quite the response, opening the floodgates to a debate across campus touching on topics such as freedom, liberation, censorship, social values, multiculturalism, and the clash of civilisations, all laced with witty remarks, outlandish statements, and hyper-polar opinions. Evidently, a lot of concerned LUMS students had opinions on the matter bottled up for as long as they’ve been witnessing this campus spectacle.
Like any hotly debated topic among a group of LUMS students, the debate also takes a very theoretical twist based on the current readings assigned to a given LUMS student trying to come up with an analytical response. While people have cited Plato, Max Weber, Karl Marx, Rumi, and Muhammad Iqbal, others have pointed to the flaws inherent in western schools of thought and how their adoption represents the deterioration of eastern societies.
In one of the many replies morphing content and subject, a student addresses the newly admitted, still innocent freshmen who might be unsuspecting prey to dangerous theories and philosophies:
At LUMS, you will be bombarded with all sorts of atheistic and secular philosophies and ‘isms’. If you do not have the proper knowledge and conviction about Islam, you may fall prey to the untiring efforts of certain faculty members as well as your fellow students to misguide you.
Then the respondent conveniently takes the opportunity to steer this debate into an evangelical venture by diverting traffic to his Islamic website claimed to be providing a wealth of knowledge on religion.
‘I have sinned’ says a student in reply to the guiding light of the mail illuminated above, following with an open declaration of his disbelief:
I shave twice a week and my ‘painchas’ hang obstinately below my heels. I have a penchant for ties that resemble the Christian cross and my satanic dress code is causing me to stray far far away from the straight path. During the holy month, instead of attending Koranic recitals in the mosque, I was listening to the demonic sounds of Pink Floyd.
He follows by saying that he wasn’t like this until he ‘studied under the mischievous and deviant professors’ whose deviant theories made his moral-compass go all awry.
In an interesting turn of events, the Program Coordinator also issued a reply to the thread saying that they had been waiting for the issue to arise in public discourse so that they could take note of this and forward recommendations to the administration, prompting a possible laying down of rules that would prohibit such practices which are apparently not representative of the ‘LUMS culture.’
According to LUMS students, the administration hardly ever replies to the general comments thread. Students have apparently been complaining about malfunctioning campus utilities and the lack of certain essential facilities. A student in reply to the administration email expresses shock at the fact that this is one of the top priorities on the agenda of the LUMS administration.
With the LUMS administration now apparently bent on enforcing moral values, one wonders if an air-tight shariah-imposed zone is going to be the next ‘in-thing’ in LUMS. Perhaps the government will have to step in if public lashings are suddenly going to be enforceable on LUMS girls found with non-mehrams. And with people getting so high-headed and passionate about ‘LUMS culture,’ one is left wondering what exactly this culture is, and how you define a culture. LUMS students on the social-morality mailing thread are not far from the game, however, one LUMS student professes:
As Max Weber said, all social policy- tolerance or intolerance… from more ‘tolerant’ strands of ‘multi-culturalism’ to banning of PDAs to the banning of the Hijab (France: Liberté, égalité, fraternité)- always involves a preference of some values and rejection or relegation of others- even if pretensions are held otherwise.
So what are the guidelines that are supposed to define the parameters of this inter-campus cultural construct? Isn’t LUMS somewhat of a sample population of the country’s educated upper- and middle-class youth subsections? What is the morality of these vast spanning cultural-geographic subgroups influenced by a myriad of mass-media content ranging from cultural franchise to strict traditionalism? And, more importantly, whose job is it to determine that such and such should be the social-cultural ideals that should be respected by everyone?
LUMS must decide whether it is in fact a ‘liberal’ institution. Here, liberal does not mean the promotion of some strange brand of Bollywoodised consumer-culture. Rather, LUMS should ask whether it abides to a stance of universal cultural relativism, where all cultural behavior represents a social expression, promoting a tolerance and an intermingling of discourses to promote understanding through interaction. Or is the university in fact a ‘conservative’ institution, conservative not in the sense that it promotes the fashion of beards, rubber sandals, and high-cuffed trousers, but conservative in the sense that it wants to ‘conserve’ a certain cultural aesthetic, where it wants to shelter it from outside extravagances?
If there is actually an ‘us versus them’ situation brewing in LUMS, then this is probably true for outside of LUMS also. Perhaps instead of enforcing some crudely designed dictum to the word, the administration should take this as an opportunity to encourage debate and discussion on the topic, gather opinions of those involved or affected, and let the strength of ideas stand on their own weight like any academically responsible institution should. Perhaps a democratic path to this issue could help shed some light on the broader national, cultural and political dilemma as well.
Lahore-based Asif Akhtar is interested in critical social discourse as well as the expressive facets of reactive art. He is one of the schizophrenic narrators of a graphic novel and blogs at e_scape from nowher_e.
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@kabir
October 3, 2009 at 10:54 am
“…These new LUMS “maulvis” should hear the stories about what my mom and her friends at Fatima Jinnah got up during med school:)…”
Damn I entered this thread way to late. I’m no LUMS maulvi but I’m still interested in hearing what your mom and her friends got up to during med school. Please satisfy my curiosity
@ hayyer
July 11, 2010 at 9:47 am
“…If the body must decay the spirit might as well enjoy the hormones while they last…”
yes… let the spirit enjoy the hormones before they lead to STD’s or some pregnancy
*in the previous most I meant
pre-marital pregnancy
skarlok:
The spirit is all knowing and wise. It knows when to take precautions.
This reminds me of these exquisite lines by Faiz Ahmad Faiz:
“Aur bhee gham hain zamaanay mein muhabbat kay siwa
Raahatein aur bhee hain wasl ki raahat kay siwa”
Translation:
There are other worries too, besides the worries of love
There are other pleasures too, other than the pleasure of union.
@Hayyer
July 15, 2010 at 11:03 pm
“…The spirit is all knowing and wise. It knows when to take precautions…”
Sorry. I didn’t realize the human spirit was all knowing and wise, no wonder the precautions it takes are so successful…
@ Musa
Musa Bhai. Please let these people enjoy the pleasures of the body. They have every right to do so. After all, pleasures of the body is all they have to enjoy since they can’t enjoy pleasures of the soul.
@yasserlatifhamdani
July 10, 2010 at 12:28 pm
“Moosa mian… It is good stuff. Don’t decry young love.”
Shall we not differentiate between young love and young lust
@AZW
December 10, 2009 at 2:27 am
“…On a more serious note, the following words were found on an Assyrian tablet that was dated at 2800 BC. Read and reflect; they had it figured out even back then.
“The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.” … ”
I do believe there world has come to an end a long time ago.
Mubarak:
“Shall we not differentiate between young love and young lust”.
Who-the government? One person’s lust is another’s love. Society is about managing lust.
Moosa,
I think you were too young to appreciate all the pleasures that you have mentioned, and I believe you are too young to expound all the religious mambo-jumbo that you let off at the slightest opportunity. I have had an opportunity to interact with you on the soul and religious stuff, and the only reason I stopped was because your arguments became more and more bizarre.
“I’ve probably lived more than most people here”
Don’t assume that so readily. As some country singer famously said, ” you can never have too much fun.”
If people want to have fun, why be so judgmental. To each his own. For some people, their religion is enjoying the guilty pleasures. You and I may not agree with that but then who knows the truth.
Skarlok, Musa,
Good that you agree… But musa bhai please don’t tell skarlok which sect of Islam you belong to… This affinity of the souls shall end quite rapidly. He will do tauba for calling you bhai.
Meanwhile those you condemn as naïve hormone driven fools are the only ones who also congregate in liberty for candle lit vigils for attacks on your mosq..hmm..places of worship.
The problem with you religious types is that you exaggerate the importance of a non-existent entity : the soul.
Btw congratulations … Pakistan topped the list in “sexy” searches. The new name is “Pornistan”. What do you wanna bet most of the searches came not from LUMS grads but the socially unfree PU grads.
There is a direct link bw social freedom and intellectual freedom. On socially free campuses much less time is spent obsessing over sex.
Pakistan’s lack of social freedom has resulted it to top the world’s list of porn obsessed countries.
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Who are you fooling? I went to boarding school in England. What happens in LUMS is not 1/100th of what goes on in England.
LUMS produces first rate scholars. The next nobel prize winner in Pakistan will come from LUMS and not from the sex starved Punjab University.
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Erratum: boarding summer school lest there be any confusion I went to Harrow or Eton.
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Nonsense. The summer school I went was a co-ed school and I was in A Levels at the time …and I saw first hand the culture at University of Bath and University of London. I have friends who went to Oxford, Cambridge and Warwick… All of them describe a scene quite at variance to your ridiculous claims.
When Salam went to PU and GC it was not sex starved or religiously bigoted … LUMS for your information did not exist in Salam’s time. Had it been Salam would be teaching at LUMS school of Physics recently started.
No need to continuously make up stories.
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Moosa,
You should read about Ibn-Sina and his daily routine. Sexual freedom doesn’t lead to intellectual freedom but absence of sexual freedom does lead to intellectual stagnation. Abdus Salam may have been sexually modest, but I can give you a list of high achievers who enjoyed sex as much as they enjoyed their work.
As for my comment about your age, well, it’s quite obvious. By the way, what is wrong with homosexuality?
Plus, sexually satisfied people rarely go out and blow up people. A good round of sex releases beneficial endorphins or some stuff like that, which makes you overall positive and happy.
I am actually quite surprised that you found University of London campus totally devoid of stuff like that. I guess, maybe, it’s the weather.
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Yasser Pai,
I went to boarding school in England. What happens in LUMS is not 1/100th of what goes on in England.
And I presume you wud have been in the thick of things…….
Musa bhai,
I have no idea what happens in boys’ boarding schools
I am told that what happens there also happens in equal measures in madarsas as well.
Regards
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Nonsense. Most British Pakistanis live in ghettos. You probably know jackshit about London UK or the west. You probably lived in your little closed knit Ahmadiyya Muslim community in Luton. I think East is East applies 100 times more on Burqah clad Ahmadi Muslims than Pakistanis in general.
The point is that social permissiveness of the west allows for people to be free of god damn sex obsessions.
The UK universities were atleast 10 times more liberal and permissive than the US and that is saying something.
For example a couple under a tree in the US would atmost hold hands and kiss…a couple in UK would be on top of each other with the boy’s hands up the girl’s blouse.
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Moosa,
“My only point is that usually this behaviour is practised privately, most British people think it’s in poor taste to do all this publicly”
Well, that’s sad. US is better that way.
Bade miyan…
Moosa mian is making up nonsense. I have seen the permissiveness of British society first hand.
Moosa mian is merely a British Asian … Closed to all “perfidy” of British society.
UK campuses are 10 times more liberal than US campuses. But what can you do if certain British Asians are so closed in their own little ghettos.
Ofcourse it is the “progressive” Pakistanis of the kind that you denounce who stand up for Salam and the Ahmadis.
Bigots you support would rather kill you. This is what you don’t understand.
Ahmadi Muslims like you are equally culpable in the dystopia Pakistan has become.
Keep denouncing people on count of your stupid ignorance and religious closemindedness.
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Ylh,
Well, I was wondering, because the stories that I have heard about the UK campuses were so different from what Moosa is telling. I guess if he lived a bit in the sub continent, he is going to pine for the same “decadent” living. It’s easy to sermonize from a distance.
(Edited) on Mr Moosa’s request
Moosa,
That the renowned Abdus Salaam derived his inspiration from Quran has nothing to do with your implied hypothesis that spirituality leads to greater intellectual success. Genius is hard to define. As I said, do read about Ibn Sina or Feynman or Satre. In modern times there have been too many irreligious or agnostic people who have attained greater renown. You are an arrant fool for subscribing to such nonsensical theories. I thought you were younger but that at 38 you are still holding on to such asinine theories makes me regret at wasting my time debating with you.
“As far as I am concerned the Sunni-Ahmadi jhagra is the internal matter of two equally stupid religiously narrow-minded fanatical groups and both of these groups can go to hell.”
EDITED.
I have always felt that if Salam was not limited by religious islamic dogma he would have gone down as a greater scientist than Einstein.
Moosa miyan,
When your third caliph was cosying upto Zulfikar Ali Bhutto didn’t he know that Bhutto was a man who drank too much and was very socially liberal?
You are basically a liar like any Mullah or a religious fellow. You’ve made up a lie about UK universities which you’ve unable to substantiate except that we are supposed to accept your word for it.
It is just that it is contrary to idea of statehood that I wish to see in my homeland that I am forced to speak for even crooks cranks and madmen like yourself. It is entirely because I feel it is contrary to principles of justice and fairplay… otherwise I am sure if crooks like you were in the majority you would be bigoted as the bigoted majority that holds Pakistan hostage.
A young Ahmadi man told me this a long time ago. He told me the entire cause was worthless. I didn’t believe him. With an Islamo-fascist bigot and lying crook like you I am beginning to think he was right. Now you are not welcome to post here anymore. Get lost. Go back to your little god-obsessed life and leave us the fuck alone.
Can you explain to us why are all Ahmadi women in Burqahs like the Taliban? They are one and the same…you and your oppressors. You are just slightly more educated.
“That the renowned Abdus Salaam derived his inspiration from Quran has nothing to do with your implied hypothesis that spirituality leads to greater intellectual success.”
EDITED (YLH)
EDITED! – YLH
EDITED.
(Consider me Raza Rumi’s spokesman. Stop posting here. -YLH)
EDITED.
EDITED (intellectual is a rather large word for someone who believes in fairy tales like you do- sincerely YLH)
Very easy indeed for the head of the Qadiyani jamaat to abandon 4 million of his followers to “god” and sit in cosy comforts of London.
Even easier for two bit crooks in London to abuse those who actually try and do something for the Ahmadis in Pakistan.
Belief in fairytales is most unfortunate.
@Hayyer
July 16, 2010 at 8:30 am
“Mubarak:
“Shall we not differentiate between young love and young lust”.
Who-the government? One person’s lust is another’s love.”
I was not implying the government take any steps what so ever. I was just stating my opinion that whats happening at LUMS or London or any other instituition is driven more by lust than love, which is evident in the quick break-ups that occur soon after these relationships are established. Therefore, it should be called “young lust” rather than “young love”, Just calling a spade a spade.
“Society is about managing lust.”
Yes certain societal norms are about managing lust. So do you agree that lust should be managed at a societal level? I think we differ in regards to how much of lust should be managed and how to execute that management. I’m of the opinion that people should be discreet enough not to show PDA like some of the things mentioned in this article. It is as annoying as people whos start praying in random undesignated places like isles of an airplane.
Also, I think unmanaged lust in society leads to certain social problems. One of these problems is the rising rate of divorce and very high rates of infidelity during marriage in the west. I’m not saying the world adopt a “beard and burqa” society. Neither do I support the current extremes of promiscious behavior pervading the west and entering the east.
As a believer in the Holy Quran I do believe in following its guidelines regarding this management of lust at a personal level. If a certain society wants to follow the Holy Quran they will try to adopt the societal level teachings regarding lust management found therein. If you do not follow then you may have different standards and guidelines for managing lust at a personal and societal level. But I think we both agree that lust should be managed.
@YLH
July 16, 2010 at 11:25 am
“When your third caliph was cosying upto Zulfikar Ali Bhutto didn’t he know that Bhutto was a man who drank too much and was very socially liberal?”
Bhutto’s drinking habits and liberalism were his personal tastes. Of course, his liberalism became questionable with his tilt towards the Saudi-backed pan-Islamism and his novel Second Amendment. Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad, Khalifatul Masih III decided to support Bhutto, primarily for one reason.
In 1970, two major political forces were surfacing in then West Pakistan (now Pakistan) – PPP and Jamaate Islami. East Pakistan was visibly slipping out of the federation. Among the parties that enjoyed a sound vote-bank in what was to remain as Pakistan, there was only one party that believed in Pakistan – the PPP. So for any patriot, that was then, virtually the only choice. Let us not forget that JI was from day 1, opposed to the very existence of Pakistan and the ML was completely in shambles.
@YLH
July 16, 2010 at 11:27 am
“Can you explain to us why are all Ahmadi women in Burqahs like the Taliban? They are one and the same…you and your oppressors. You are just slightly more educated.”
Firstly, the Ahmadis do not at all believe in compelling others to wear the burqa. For Ahmadi ladies, the burqa goes little beyond personal discipline and personal modesty. Secondly, the Ahmadi burqa is a million times more elegant looking thing than its Taliban counterpart. Thirdly, not all Ahmadi ladies wear the burqa. African Ahmadi ladies wear the African style outer covering and Indonesian Ahmadi ladies have their own. European and American Ahmadi ladies have their own.
@YLH
July 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm
“Very easy indeed for the head of the Qadiyani jamaat to abandon 4 million of his followers to “god” and sit in cosy comforts of London.”
The Khalifa has followers all over the world, not just in Pakistan. He has not abandoned anybody. He has entrusted them not to any ‘god’ but to Allah, just as a father would entrust his children to Allah. The Khalifa’s responsibilities require him to preach and teach – something he is legally barred from doing in Pakistan, so under the present circumstances living in Pakistan, simply is not an option.
@ Hayyer (July 16, 2010 at 8:30 am)
“…..Who – the government? One person’s lust is another’s love. Society is about managing lust…..”
Well said. State and Society must be distinguished from each other. When State assumes the role of Society, coercion is born.
Mubarik sb,
All I am saying is stop waiting for Allah. Allah is not enough. You have plenty of good Ahmadi Muslims but lying down and playing dead should not be option.
If Ahmadi Muslims believe in god but also tie their camel, perhaps the country they helped found can be a better place.
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YLH sb,
For Ahmadis, Allah is sufficient. There are no two opinions on this. As for tying the camel, which refers to material effort, may I remind you that Yahya and Niazi were not Ahmadis. Iftikhar was. The only general of the Pakistan Army who fought till death was an Ahmadi. We have served our country like men. We have watered its soil with our sweat, tears and blood.
How can rational people be so blinded by faith.
may I remind all Ahmadis …you are preaching to the choir.
But no one can help those who can’t help themselves.
@YLH
Trust me, we’re rational and trust me we rely on God and trust me our faith is not blind. Our faith is supported both by experience and rationality.
What is rational about belief in the unknown?
@Mubarak (July 18, 2010 at 3:01 am)
True. May I add that while Pakistani Ahmadis have always been prepared to patriotically serve their country, people at the helm of affairs have not always been as eager to receive the services, specially post 1974. Another aspect that deserves to be mentioned is that it is not only in Pakistan that Ahmadis remain patriotic and law-abiding, an Ahmadi will always be loyal to his country whichever it may be.
@ YLH (July 18, 2010 at 10:15 pm)
Valid question. The term “Eeman bil ghaib” could perhaps be more appropriately translated as “belief in the unseen”, because even as the unknown becomes known, it remains unseen. It is unseen in the sense that it remains imperceivable to the five physical senses. Take for instance the case of the Gravitational Force. The force itself is imperceivable to the five senses, but its effects can be appreciated. Hence, it would perfectly rational to accept the existence of the Gravitational Force inspite of the fact that it belongs to the world of the unseen.
If an individual or a community has experienced the effect of God, and experienced it repeatedly, even without having physically beheld His countenance, believing in Him would be perfectly in line with rationality.
Hardly but let us forget our religious beliefs or lack thereof … Isn’t the saying “trust in God but tie your camel”?
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