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Marking 26/11… A Letter To Our Neighbors

Dear Indian friend,

I am sorry for the tardiness in marking 26/11.   It was not deliberate but as we fight daily battles with terrorism, it is not easy to tell what date it is.  Don’t consider this letter a sign of weakness because I am a member of proud nation which will one day prove its potential and take its rightful place in the comity of nations as a progressive and modern country at peace within and without.  

I do realize however that day is somewhere in the future and I write to you today as a member of an embattled nation fighting its demons and trying to undo the terrible legacy of the 1980s Afghan War.   What happened on 26/11 was probably part of the same cycle and I am sorry that it had to come to what it did on 26/11.   India was attacked.   The attackers- hardened militants and frankenstein’s monsters created by Pakistan- had not just India in mind but they wanted to embroil Pakistan and India into Nuclear war which could lead to a wider global conflict involving all major powers.  Fortunately that has not come to pass.  Statesmenship of the highest order is required however to ensure that we don’t allow the militants to succeed. 

Please also realize that Bombay – or Mumbai as you call it now- is not just an Indian city but one of the premier Asian cities.  For us Pakistanis it is  hallowed ground-  it was this city that our founding father Mr. Jinnah called his own, where he made a name for himself through sheer hardwork and perseverence and which allowed to rise from humble origins to significance.   The Taj – which was attacked- was where Mr. Jinnah spent his honeymoon with his beautiful wife Ruttie – a marriage that itself signified the pluralistic and secular ethos of that magnificent city.   It is this city that his grandson has built his business empire in.   For us Bombay is sacred ground and like much of India, which is littered with monuments of varying importance and significance to Pakistanis,  it is our heritage as much as yours.

So let us attach a new significance to 26/11… let this day signify an awakening on both sides that enough with this “geo-strategic thinking” of one-upping each other.   Let this be a day when we realize that the zero-sum game we have played have cost us dear in the past and that Pakistan and India must work together for peace, prosperity and progress of this common subcontinent of ours.  Let us base our relationship on intense rivalry in cricket, human development and economic growth.   Let us renounce all tactics of a thousand cuts once and for all and realize that it is not hard to make bombs but prosperous nations are known by their intellectual health, civic sense and adherence to human rights.  Let us sack irresponsible Bonapartists like your Military chief who threatened a “limited nuclear war” and instead seek inspiration from what India’s first Prime Minister Nehru told Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in New York: “Zulfi,  we have to save South Asia from Nuclear War”.

Let 26/11 be a new beginning and perhaps a return to Mr. Jinnah’s vision for India-Pakistan relations modelled on US-Canada relationship.

Yours sincerely,

YLH – Your Pakistani Well-wisher and rival claimant to progress and prosperity

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129 Responses to "Marking 26/11… A Letter To Our Neighbors"

  1. YLH United Kingdom Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    I can’t speak for Raza Rumi or Pervez Hoodbhoy …but I can only speak for myself. I have not even been to India let alone be desperate about Pakistan and India relations… though I do feel that peaceful ties with India are crucial for us to go forward.

    Many Indians hate me and abuse me as much you Mullah types do. Ofcourse I do get along with many Indians who have stuck long enough to understand my point of view.

  2. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    I repeatedly point out to the islamic factor. Islam was not created in the Indian Subcontinent (ISC). It was created by arabs for arabs for their own glory, imperialism and racism. Islam uses the word god (allah) for its purposes. Hence it is mistaken for a religion (actually it is a blasphemy), and even for a good religion for all of mankind. We in the 21st century must get over this islamic propaganda and manipulation. That will solve many problems (though not all problems) or at least reduce their intensity and emotion. So long we deceive ourselves about islam by believing in the grand claims which islam makes (and its agents and quislings parrot and wish to impose on us through violence, terror, hell-threats and briberies) the problems, the distrust, the muslim violence, the islamic fascism, the self-deceit etc. are going to become worse and worse.

    Rejecting islam should be no problem because none of us created it. Some arab strongman and manipulator created it in the 7th century in Makkah and Madinah (no matter what islamic propaganda says). No one loses his face if islam is rejected today, not only by the non-arabs but even by the arabs. Quite the contrary, we will gain in terms of honesty and peace in this world by rejecting islam and its claims. Whatever good islam has to offer is available from other better modern sources, but without the fascism-totalitaranism that is inherent to islam.

    India-Pakistan hatred and distrust is a result of islam – an alien imperialist ideology from Makkah (Arabia). Is it not foolish (even idiotic) that human beings in the ISC have become incapable of living in peace and progress because of an ideology created outside of the ISC? Primarily it is the muslims who have to think over this deeply and dispassionately. Hindus can help them in this only by repeatedly pointing out to the alien origin of islam and the fascist content and intention of islam. Not heeding this destructive islamic (alien arabic) factor is causing all arguments to end up in fights, bickerings and polemics.

    Islamic/muslim (pro-islamic) history-writing is a major cause of spreading lies and misleadments in the ISC.

  3. Archaeo India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @G. Visvas

    Interesting outline of your views. Two questions:

    1. Are you a member of the RSS? or its front organisations, like the VHP, the Bajrang Dal, the Shiv Sena? or a BJP voter?

    2. Have you come across the term Islamo-phobe?

  4. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Answers to Archeo’s questions
    1. no
    2. islamo-phobe = one who fears islam
    Since islam is a fascist ideology misusing the word god hence it would be irrational and suicidal not to fear islam and not to make people aware of this.

    After reading pakistani newspapers (since past 4-5 years) I realized what a dangerous but tempting ideology islam is. Camouflaged evil is always more dangerous than direct evil. Pakistan is proving everyday that my fears of islam are fully correct rational and need to be communicated to all.

  5. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @G. Vishvas

    Naturally your word on your affiliation is sufficient, but allow me to politely disagree with your evaluation of Islam.

    This is not because I deprecate Islam; it is because I sincerely believe that all organised religion is in effect equal. Please consider the construction below:

    Since islam any religion is a fascist ideology misusing the word god hence it would be irrational and suicidal not to fearislam any religion and not to make people aware of this.

    Secondly, from a purely historical and academic point of view, your analysis of Islam is quite unsatisfactory and superficial to the point of being a caricature. However, although you have stated your position frankly and bluntly,

    my fears of islam are fully correct rational and need to be communicated to all.

    you may agree that a discussion on such a matter may not be of general interest, and may better be conducted in privacy.

    These are the views of another visitor to this site, and until the administrators opine otherwise, I am not suggesting for a moment that you should consider my suggestion a restriction on your rights.

  6. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Every religion has some fascist content. That is true. Presently it is islam which is manifesting it to the maximum and terrorizing not only muslism but even non-muslims.

    What are the 9 criteria of (determining the) fascism (content of an ideology or religion)?

    1,2,3,) Treatment given to ex-members, non-members, women
    4,5,6,) Control over education, history-writing (identity), press
    7,8,9,) Control over jurisprudence, elections, political ideology and its criticism

    Apply these 9 criteria (and there are surely more) and find out which ideology or religion is fascstic to what extent.

    Whether you are muslim or just a friend of muslims, if you are honest in applying these criteria then you will have no difficulty realizing that islam is the most (but not the only) agressively and arrogantly fascist ideology and religion presently threatening mankind’s future.

    Pointing out to the fascism practised by non-muslims is surely important and must be done, but it does not dimish the guilt of islam and muslims. How often muslims, upon being told of the real fascism in real islam, resort to anger and counter-accusations in order to distract attention from their own need to practise sincere self-criticism? How often a person who criticizes islam is accused of being islamophobe or blasphemer or of wanting to put muslims in gas chambers etc. in order to avoid any real rational cool-headed dispassionate public discussion about islam’s defects and deficiencies?

    A 7th century arab ideology trying to arrogantly determine human life of non-arabs (and arabs) in the 21st century – that is obnoxious to say the least.

    Some sentences in the kuran are instigating violence and fascism no matter how one tries to re-interpret or re-contextualize them. That is the truth. This danger is not diminished by any (valid or polemic) counter-accusations against non-muslims.

  7. Milind Kher India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    The Quran is not amenable to interpretation on personal judgment. Painstakingly researched exegesis serves as a basis for understanding the Quran.

    A book that skilfully weaves within its folds references to science, theology, history, legislation and so many other subjects cannot be interpreted by just any one.

    A lot of people condemn organized religion on the basis of flawed practice rather than ideal precepts.

    Also, “arrogant” and “obnoxious” are judgmental words, which cannot be admissible in a rational argument. Everyone has the right to differ, but it must be done on the basis of conclusions supported by reason or proof.

  8. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    to Milind

    Every judgement is a personal judgement.

    If an ideology enforces the idea/belief that someone or something (e.g. a book) is uncriticizable then it becomes a fascism centered around this someone or something. This is a historical fact and truth since as far as we can study history (and learn from it).

    There is a turkish saying “friend speaks bitter”. The flatterer is never the true friend. It would be nice progress if you and muslims can take this to heart and stop seeking/promoting islam-flatterers, kuran-glorifiers, Mohammad-adorers etc.

    Islamic is what follows from the kuran and kuran only – and the kuran has not given us any science, technology, music etc. – not even good laws, politics, economics etc. fit for the 21st century.

    Praising kuran and Mohammad have become a habit and a compulsion among muslims, any muslim who fails to take part in this glorification-competition has no chance of being taken seriously or being protected in an islamic society.

    Arrogance and obnoxiousness are legitimate expressions, because human beings are not robots. Since the kuran too uses emotions, threats, bribes etc. it would be wrong to ban such words from a rational discussion.

    Whoever praises islam/kuran in the 21st century is misleading human beings towards more disaster. Wishful thinking also helps no one anymore. Islam is Mohammad’s religion for Mohammad – and Jesus says “let the dead bury the dead”. (Addendum: Christians believe Jesus is not dead). Similarly Bhagvad Gita is a conversation between Krishna and Arjuna and has little relevance to others. We have to learn to look to the future and only take the minimal necesary from the past. Religions and holy books have to be de-holyfied and their interference minimized. One ned not throw out everything, but in case of islam a lot needs to be.

  9. Milind Kher India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @G Vishvas,

    Suit yourself. I do not wish to argue with you. Do continue with whoever wants to.

  10. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @Milind

    PTH is an open forum – it is not aimed at anyone personally. It is a matter of politeness to give reasons as to why one says or does something. So if you do not wish to discuss with me then some reason should be given – that is what rational means – so that the other person knows what (and why) this is all about. It is not like among children who refuse to play with one of them and end their game as soon as he turns up (without directly telling him that they don’t like him etc.). I hope we are not at that level. Either you refute what I say or you admit that it has high (if not the highest) truth value.

    What Pakistan in particular and muslims in general need is a strong safe-guarded well-heeded anti-islamic voice after years of self-glorification, victimhood-complex, we-are-better-and-always-right-and-innocent complex, we-have-the-final-truth-from-the-one-and-only-god complex etc. The islam-flatterers are not their genuine friends anymore (if they ever were).

    When I send islam-criticizing emails then I receive either silence or abuse from muslims. This shows a deep and worsening malady in them.

    G.Vishvas

  11. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @G. Vishvas

    Before you comment so profusely and so freely, do please take the trouble to learn the difference between ideology and theology.

    Ideology is subject to the rules of logical debate. Ideology should, and indeed must be debated.

    Theology is born of faith. Faith does not lend itself to rational analysis, since rational analysis depends on material and immaterial evidence. If you investigate this further, you will find that matters of faith are normally excluded from public debate for this reason: it is then reduced to discussions on experiences which are not shared, therefore which lack a common meeting ground. Without such a common meeting ground, no discussion is possible.

    Your posts – each and every one of them, without exception – have been aggressive assertions that a particular religion is not based on factual or material evidence. It is only the politeness of those reading these assertions which prevents a contemptuous dismissal.

    Personally, as an agnostic myself, I urge you not to subject matters of faith to these attempted trials, since these are logically totally incompatible. You are seeking a situation which is ruled out at the outset, and the way in which you are seeking this does not indicate that you are aware of the fundamental contradictions in what you are seeking to do.

    Please do your homework and return, or stop wasting everybody’s time.

  12. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @G. Vishvas

    An addendum – as a logical debate on religion is absurd, a logical ‘rating’ of religions is even more absurd. You are then trying to use instruments not designed for the purpose – it is like using a thermometer to measure the brightness of light.

    Somebody has apparently in a misguided moment taught you the elements of sample surveying and market research. Perhaps your teacher should have done a complete job, rather than leaving matters in a half-baked form.

    You can legitimately measure the effects of different religions on the measurable capabilities of the population which follows that religion. Having done that, in a complete programme of study, you would have been informed that a very large number of causal factors influence the effects that you might set out to measure, being measurable. These causal factors have to be identified, thereafter their collective effect on the results have to be analysed and tabulated, and this exercise may include the even more difficult exercise of checking the effects of the causal factors on each other.

    If you are aware of this and have still written what you have written, you are being dishonest. If you are unaware of this and have written your posts, you are ignorant and need further tutelage.

    Please do the readers and other participants the courtesy of undertaking some necessary corrections, depending on your diagnosis of the situation.

  13. AZW Canada Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @ G. Vishwas:

    Any organized school of thought that seeks to impede critical analysis of its core message, runs the risk of being converted into a fascist school.

    Religions are highly suspect to this tendency. And some of the most rabid extreme sects within Islam are nothing but extreme fascists in their actions. We do not condone any fascism in the name of religion. Islam for me is meant to become a better human in my personal life. However, at present my better humanity is coming at a cost of human liberties and rights for the non-believers. This is an unfortunate, yet logical results of applying the whole religion on top of a society. I do not agree with this interpretation, and this is exactly what this forum is all about.

    Any organized school of thought (including any world religion) that does not agree to absolute equality of all humans in a society, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, equal personal and property rights is bound to fail as a custodian/governer of a society.

    As a moderator, I can assure you that you are most welcome to air your comments here in a civilized manner. I have noticed that you have been mostly restrained and civilized in airing your arguments, even though your arguments may be quite uncomfortable to many of the readers. There is a feeling however that you are intentionally trying to demean the Islamic Holy Book by spelling it wrong. Your argument will not be any more forceful by misspelling and mispronouncing Quran or Prophet Muhammad or any other term that may have sentimental value to the believers of any faith. Hopefully you will take that into account when you participate in discussions on PTH.

    Regards,

    Adnann

  14. Hayyer India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Ummi: (Dec 3, 12:o9 am)
    I returned to this particular article after more than ten days.
    “@hayer: it was India who have made movies like “Border”,”kargil” and several others to show the Indai’s point of view about Pakistan so don’t potray your nation has not been suffering from Pakistan phobia.”
    Surely your reference to me is a mistake. Would you be so good as to remind me of the context of your comment.

  15. Hayyer India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    G. Vishwas:
    A question out of simple curiousity- Do you follow any faith at all? If not, are you opposed to all religion or only to Islam?

  16. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Sorry for the delay – I am traveling and can reply only now.

    A harsh religion elicits and needs harsh criticism. This is how things are naturally. Islam is a missionary aggressive assertive monopoly-claiming – even imperialist – ideology. If it had been a quietist introvert private set of ideas then the faith-defenders need not have worried. Islam is also a collectivist ideology – with clear declarations of what is good or bad for everyone (even for non-muslims).

    Islam is already 1400 years old (even older if we take into account the muslim declaration that Adam was a muslim). Islam has had and consumed enormous resources (time, money, political power, human lives etc.) in this time. Hence it is necessary (unavoidable) that its actual performance (result) is evaluated.

    I am aware that most muslims learn an idealized-sanitized version of islam. But burying the head is sand solves no problem but only makes it worse.

    That something should be uncritizable because it is faith, to use the word faith to make something uncriticizable – that has proved to be destructive. No amount of sentimentality or piety-exercises can hide this fact.

    The introduction of the Arabic script in the Indian subcontinent has proved to be a disaster. We had our own more scientific and accurate scripts for us. The Arabic script caused a partitioning of humans (who did not read each other) that finally led to the extermination of those in the Sindhu river basin (the hindus) who did not become quislings of an arabic arab-and-turk-centered imperialist ideology. Is the loyalty of the muslim to his land of birth or to Makkah and the imperialism that flows form Makkah? Calling it faith and declaring it to be uncriticizable is an old trick used by religions and imperialists. (Since I am not conversant with any difference between k and q etc. – I write it as kuran and not as quran. It is not meant as an offence to anyone. There are even muslims who write it as kuran.)

    What faith I have – that is known to the one who should know it. Others need not bother. I am only defending myself against the aggressions coming (originating) from Makkah. I analyze islam by reading Pakistani newspapers only. And that is the correct way to do it. We have to judge by actual results – not by idealized versions. Everyone has a faith – so long it does not lead to destructive external effects it need not be discussed. (Though that does not mean it is uncriticizable). Islam has the explicit intention and method of controlling human lives en masse – even those of non-muslims. Hence it cannot be left out of criticism. Any attempt to declare islam as uncriticizable (lets say by calling it faith or revelation or divine final will etc.) will (and already has) lead to fascism. If you can’t face this bitter truth (or fact) then the situation will become worse only. Enough of deceit in the name of (whichever) faith.

  17. Gorki United States Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    G.Vishvas:

    Your above post is clearly meant to be provocative; intellectually and perhaps otherwise, and I am sure others will respond to it in time. I will therfore remain away from the controversial parts of your post.

    I only want to make one comment, that is while today people like you are not alone and your views are articulated by many around the world, a mere 500 years ago the exact same comments, (i.e. ‘missionary aggressive assertive monopoly-claiming – even imperialist – ideology etc.) could have been made about another middle eastern faith, Christianity.
    Today that same faith is taken as an example of service and peace.
    Could it be that faith itself may have less to do with it than how it is interpreted and propogated.
    If so, then is it possible that in time (once Islam is as old\mature as Christianity is today) it too will be practiced and seen differently?
    Regards.

  18. Milind Kher India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @Gorki,

    The extremists of any faith are always the most visible. What they do shuts out or even negates what the pacifists believe in.

    People look on Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar as representatives of Islam. If they were to look on Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh or APJ Abdul Kalam of India, they would be very uncomfortably confronted with a pleasant face of the faith which they want to deny.

    Hindutvavadis and jihadis have a symbiotic relationship. The activity of each helps the other to survive.

  19. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @Milind and others

    When long held beliefs are questioned and doubted and the totalitarian content and attitude therein is exposed then it works as a provocation only on those who do not wish to change but wish to hide behind their own tales of piety. Accusing someone of provocation is a cheap trick to silence him. Better try refuting his analysis.

    Christianity and islam did not and cannot develop analogue. Islam will never be a peace-emphasizing religion like christianity. Offer the other cheek to those who smite you on the one cheek – that is a christian spirit which islam and muslims have always ridiculed. If you believe in god (all-knowing and just) then where is the need to strike back? Why keep fooling everyone by comparing islam with chr. or muslims with jews? It does not work.

    Actually because islam is younger than judaism and chr. hence it should have learnt from their mistakes and perfomed better right from the beginning. Hence, …when islam becomes as old as chr. then … that excuse is useless. The later-comer must be judged more harshly.

    When A P J Abdul Kalam was asked which book he holds high he replied Bhagvad Gita and the muslims were quite offended by this. When a muslim is held up as a good exemplary for all then we have to find out whether his good performance is a result of kuran and and kuran only. Are Yunus and Kalam faces of islam? No. They learnt a lot of goodness from non-kuranic sources. We know how muslim propaganda works to inflict upon muslims the idea that good comes from kuran and kuran only.

    This (or similar) criticism is not only against islam. I write this in order to avoid receiving parochial counter-accusative answers. But islam is presently the most aggressive arrogant ideology to be exposed. I conclude this from reading pakistani muslim newspapers only.

  20. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @Gorki

    Re. G. Vishvas’ latest effusion of venom.

    Again and again and again I have pointed out to you on list and off that when we are faced with stark ignorance, and a compilation of facts to justify predetermined conclusions, it is natural to be angry. This is the class of people who will not study history, or who do it only for a polemical purpose, not to determine the nearest approximate determinable truth.

    Examples abound; I hope you will do me the favour of not asking for a list of such bigots within, say, the last six months of correspondence only on PTH. It would be a large list; it will revive extremely unpleasant memories; and it reminds me of inadequacy on the part of those writing in primarily to prove that Pakistan never had a chance nor has a chance today, and secondarily, like the case in view, to prove that Islam was a disease that is killing Pakistan, and will kill many others, as it has killed millions in the past.

    Against such bigots, there is little or no point in putting up an historical rebuttal, either the classic rebuttal, which has increasingly started failing, of showing that the historical context of Islam was in fact progressive, given the hole that Christianity had dug for itself (this is my favourite example, but has the virtue of being vividly illustrative: the homoousion-homoiousion controversy raged, and led to the death of more than were killed in Sunni-Ahmedi controversies, in the 4th century AD), or the retributive ‘shirt-is-torn/fly-is-open’ variant that almost utters itself at moments like this.

    I am deliberately not responding to this poison, as responding to it dignifies it beyond its academic or intellectual worth. What our buzzing wasp is going around saying is based entirely on his myopic view of other religions and his romanticised and wholly incorrect one of his own. Such religious xenophobia deserves the contempt it shall get.

    You mentioned provocation, perhaps deliberate provocation. Such a stand or outlook which seeks to elicit the opinions of people on a matter that would otherwise stay undisturbed is reasonable; couching bigotry in the language of rational debate is not.

    This is also the reason why I resent PTH’s huge and unbelievable tolerance of junk mailers. While I can understand the need for them to allow every diverse ethnic, linguistic and religious shade of opinion originating in Pakistan free play, I cannot understand tolerance of this and Tathagata. But as a guest, I shall not say any more.

  21. Gorki United States Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    “What our buzzing wasp is going around saying is based entirely on his myopic view of other religions and his romanticised and wholly incorrect one of his own”

    Dear Vajra,

    Say no more, sadly I get it.
    It is hard to argue with people who have already come to a conclusion and having made up their mind, look around for selective information to support it.

    Ragards.

  22. Gorki United States Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Vajra:

    One last comment.
    Interestingly, our gentleman who claims the higher moral ground boldly declared that:
    “Islam will never be a peace-emphasizing religion like christianity” that can “offer the other cheek to those who smite you on the one cheek”.
    And he wrote his comments in response to a post titled:
    ‘Marking 26/11… A Letter To Our Neighbors’
    written by a decent soul who wanted to empahize with our pain!!
    Go figure.

    The irony is killing.

    Regards.

  23. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @Gorki

    It’s actually quite incredible that a person is so unaware of his context and what is being said by others, that he is so mesmerised by the ‘secret’ formula that he and he alone possesses that nobody else’s point of view has any further relevance.

    I was under the impression that this state of mind was very well documented by colleagues of yours who used to be called ‘alienists’.

  24. Milind Kher India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    An “alienist” is, I believe another term (probably archaic) for a psychiatrist.

    Such entities are definitely useful in situations like this.

    Every right wing saffron ideologue needs one (one may ask “what ideals?” – objection sustained)

  25. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    @Milind Kher

    Archaic? That is so politically incorrect.

    You are an ageist.

  26. G.Vishvas India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Instead of calling names, do try to refute what I have written.

    All that you are saying is : we are the good reasonable guys and this Vishvas is the bad guy, not nice like we are.

    Calling someone provocateur, blasphemer, corrupter etc. is an old trick to suppress discussion.

    I have never forwarded anything positive (or romanticized) about “my own” religion in this context. In any case it would be irrelevant for Pakistan, where the hindus have been de facto exterminated and have no relevant existence.

    I had sent 9 criteria of fascism to be applied to ALL religions, ideologies etc. Then written that islam fufills these maximally and most aggressively today and will continue to do so in future. None of you bothered to think more about that. Since I have analysis of islam based on what I read in Pakistani newspapers only hence I am on the right to track.

    Trying to bring insinuations about right wing hindus etc. in this context and directing them against me will not work because I do not take my opinions from them.

    But the response that I have received here fits in into the general way in which muslims and their so-called friends react to criticism of islam. I do not criticise muslims, they are only first victims, then instruments and later promoted to agents of islam. And certain sentences and attitudes in the kuran are the real power-drivers of fascism.

    I know quite well – this is not the first time that I am receiving such reactions from muslims – that muslims will duck when it comes to this fundamental discussion. The public competition among muslims to show off their piety and mental slavery to islam is just too big. It is also a matter of their safety and survival in the absolutist muslim society in which they are submerged.

    But there are some muslims who do see my point of view and agree with it.

  27. Anoop Japan Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Is it possible for India to close itself from Pakistan physically? Seal the borders, watch the seas using technology? And,just forget Pakistan even exists?
    Surely, the only thing that India hates about Pakistan is the fact that many anti-India Jihadi groups are in Pakistan and continue to thrive there. ISI has in the past supported these groups. Can we do what the US has done with Mexico and just seal off our borders and patrol the seas?
    Mexico,like Pakistan is a place where there are organizations that aim to harm neighbouring countries. If US can keep the Mexicans out,why cant India keep the Jihadis from Pakistan out?
    That process is already under way. We have sealed the borders and Jihadis are finding it hard to cross over. The seas are patrolled in a better and use of satellites to spy on the intruders using the sea route is on the cards or has been operationalized already.
    Why does India need Pakistan and Pakistanis anyway? Does Pakistan possess any resource that India needs? Is Pakistan in possession of any piece of land that India desires?
    India can easily afford to cut Pakistan from its thoughts and many Indians are thinking on those lines.
    If the US can do it, surely India can too keep the bad guys from the neighbouring country out.
    If that happens India will truly cut all kinds of connections with Pakistan. But, not so with Pakistan. Pakistanis watch Indian movies and Serials and know a lot about India than Indians do about Pakistan. It will be the kind of relationship US shares with the rest of the world. People who watch Hollywood movies and go to McDonalds know a lot more about US than the Americans do about their country. Americans rarely know or care what goes outside their own country is well known. India will only know the Political leaders of Pakistan if this happens.
    Is this a good thing for India? I think so.
    Is this a good thing for Pakistan? I have no idea..

  28. Ganpat Ram United Kingdom Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Having let all that wind out of us, let us wait comfortably for the next Pak attack.

  29. vajra India Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    Note the authors from December 3 onwards.

    Once a jackass, always a jackass. Apparently we have not had all the wind let out of us. There are still pockets wandering around.

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