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Salman Taseer MARTYRED
By YLH
They HAVE murdered the one honest man in the whole shameful lot of bigots, fascists and idiots… Today is a most tragic day for Pakistan, for sanity and for humanity.
Salman Taseer was MURDERED by religio-fascists. If even now Pakistan does not understand the whirlpool of religious violence and extremism we are stuck in then “is mulk ka khuda hee hafiz”.
May he rest in peace and may his family find the courage to bear this incredible loss.
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Yes the voice of sanity & humanity has been silenced.
Is mulk ka Khuda Hafiz
Taseer, like Benazir Bhutto, would only be happy to have these same Jihadis enjoy themselves in Hindu India, killing and raping as they please. There are numerous public addresses of Bhutto encouraging Jihad in Kashmir, one that would wipe out the entire Hindu population of the Valley, for Jihad always targets the polytheists. While both undoubtedly retained the element of the old culture to them, they were nevertheless part of the hypocritical Paki Elite, wishing to live a decidedly unIslamic lifestyle in their cocoons, and wishing for the age old Jihad on the polytheists. But those two things do not go hand in hand for the Jihadi.
Salman Taseer was no martyr he was worldly men with three wives and many children. Salman Taseer disowned his son who he never met or acknowledged. Now that he is dead he seems to became a martyr!
@Subcontinental and @ Samachar: You guys don’t make any sense here. Keep your Indian poison on the other side of the fence.
@Hindu. Please keep in mind we are discussing assassination of Punjab’s governor. You seem to be spreading the same Indian poison without considering the time and occasion. Please go back to the stone you crawled out from under.
the poison, unfortunately, has rebounded upon your nation. The assassination of the Punjab’s Governor is directly related to it. Shall we recall, again, the reason’s behind the assassination? Related to the Governors stance on a **blasphemy** law, which of course is a religious matter, with a bit of a political aspect to it….but primarily religious.
@Arsalan Khan, there are no boundaries in cyber-space.
And since when did a martyr have to be a ascetic?
@Hindu and Samachar. Why don’t you go and take of your crazies ? Rather than coming here and going on a tangent instead of discussing assassination of Taseer ? The poison was Gujarat genocide of Muslims just few years ago. Why don’t you discuss Gujarat i ? Why don’t you go and take of your crazies ?
In today’s Pakistan, Mullah-Mafia is in so much control that even if charismatic and popular politician Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto comes back to life, still he will not be able to repeal 2nd constitutional amendment. Similarly, even if Mullah-Mafia beloved and Godfather dictator Zia ul Haq comes back to life, still he will not be able to repeal the Blasphemy laws that he enacted.
In today’s Pakistan there is need to change the fundamental thought process. This kind of work only messengers/ prophets/ Rasools of Allah SWT can do. Since Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW was THE LAST messenger of Allah SWT and no messenger can come, so my all fellow Pakistanis who want to see progress, humanity, freedom, tolerance and human rights in Pakistan should GIVE-UP. And wait patiently for the day when Pakistan breaks up into pieces and citizens of new countries throw out Mullah-Mafia and form new constitutions keeping humanity before them.
Sheryar Taseer and Sherbano Taseer, children of Salman Taseer, were my former students and I still keep in touch with them.
The day Salman Taseer died was also the birthday of Sheryar Taseer.
The father was killed on the birthday of his son and his son will always remember the ocassion of his birthday as the day his father was killed.
One day, mullah raj will be exterminated from the face of this country and we better make up our minds on which side of the barricades, we wish to stand.
The time for indecisions has gone and now is the time for people who love Pakistan to stand up and join the fight.
The Battle for Pakistan has entered a decisive phase and the question is, where do you wish to stand and fight? For Pakistan or against Pakistan?
ciao
@ Feroze,
Sad to know that it was ST’s son’s birthday. Just when we think we have seen all of cruelty, life throws a surprise. Hope that he is a hard nosed man.
Now, to the battle of Pakistan. I think in one of your earlier comments, you mentioned the way forward on this. It is important that the civilians in Pakistan snatch the theological initiative from the mullahs by taking them on over their distorted version of Islamic holy discourse. For the moment, it is now too late to try and turn around the whole Pakistani religious extremism evolution and make a U turn. It has to be achieved one step at a time. What is easier currently is to dilute the extremist discourse by participating in it. It is important that this battle it taken to the madrasas, to the urdu readers, to the masajid and to the communities that the brand of Islam being propagated by the Mullahs is untrue and unrepresentative of the religion. Expose the mullahs and for that, they need to be challenged at the game that they have so wickedly mastered.
And this will to dilute the extremism needs to be coming from all sections of the polity + most important the Army. The Pakistani army needs to realize that they are the progenitors of this brand of religious extremism. None of the objecitves set about by those morons and Zias have been achieved by using the religion as a state whip. It has clearly not worked out. Army now needs to send a clear message by reversing its support for the various jehadists in Pakistan or elsewhere in India or Afganistan or Iran or any other country. Thankfully, there is till time till the Zia recruits grow and arrive in to decision making roles in the Army.
Religion is best left alone by politicians and power hungry. Misuse of religion has severe repurcussions. Right from the call to make a country based on a religion to the politicians who thought that they could rally the masses behind them by trying to be more holier than the mullah, to the shameful changes in the constitution and right up to the Army generals who thought that they could tame and domesticate the mullah. Pakistan needs to learn that religion is best left alone to the people.
A depressed friend suggested that we’re witnessing slow-motion civil war. Feroz is right: give in today and you’ll be damned forever. As an Indian I have a selfish motive for willing the secular forces in Pakistan to succeed. A theocratic Pakistan would make Iran appear like a pleasant diversion. Truly a nightmare scenario.
@ deepak75 (January 5, 2011 at 1:11 pm)
The course of the battle, so to speak, which you have outlined will only work if there is a real realization in Pakistani middle classes that there is a need for change and that before it is too late, a course correction is sorely needed.
In a way, your comments are more instructive than the debate, because they do offer a tangible positive prove of how change can be implmented in Pakistan. The idea of change itself is only a small part of the problem in Pakistan. The bigger problem is that there is no clear idea as to how this change will be achieved? The more, ingrained, and more entrenched problem in Pakistan is not the lack of leadership, but the complete ignorance as to what is the idea of a leadership; a process of what is a leadership and by which a leadership is understood and what is the purpose of a leadership?
Leadership, and to be a leader, does not mean to simply lead the people. The role of a leader within the idea of a leadership is more complex than just being at the head of a movement or sitting on top of a pryamid of a hierarchy. The real challenge of the leadeship is not to lead the people, the organization or any such entity, which a person commands in any particular direction, but to personally believe in the course of action itself and to make others believe in it too, to the the point that they start to identify with those aims as their own and start to believe in those ideas as their very own.
Pakistan has no geninue leadership in general let alone in times of crisis and Pakistan will never have a leadership worthy of the moment. The leadership of Pakistan does not believe in Pakistan and it still thinks that Pakistan will not last as a country; it does not believe in the idea of Pakistan. It is this reason and the lack of faith in the durability of Pakistan, which prompts the people in power to financially milk Pakistan and horde their investments outside of Pakistan. If the leadership of Pakistan, of all shades and hues, really believed in the longevity of Pakistan as a nation, they would not be having foreign bank accounts or be in the procession of dual nationalities.
The idea of Pakistan, to a Pakistani leadership, can be judged in the opportunity that it presents and that opportunity is to secure their future and the future of their children while they have the means; the right to power and influence within Pakistan.
It is for this reason that you have corruption, embezzlement, nepotism, disregard for laws, an economic Hobbesian state of nature, and a general prevailing sense of despondency and dispair about the future. It is this reason; the state of Pakistani mind, which dreads the future because it does not believe in the idea of future as one promising hope, that it reverts to the past and rejoices in the safe comfort of the past. The people, who govern and rule Pakistan do not believe in the future of Pakistan and that is why, they see their turns in power as to make the most while the situation is favorable to them and save for a rainy day, when all this “make hay while the sun shines” times will end.
Therefore, the question of a leader or even a leadership navigating Pakistan out of trouble does not even arise, because there is no credible subsitute to the lack of leadership in Pakistan. There is no significant difference between Nawaz Sharif or Asif Ali Zardari or Altaf Hussein or a secular or a religious or a military or an economic leadership in Pakistan as they do not believe in Pakistan and only see Pakistan as a golden chance to a better life for themselves and their progeny.
Hence, and to the point of the your post, who will lead this charge against the enemy and who will stand out from the crowd? A leader, in order to lead the people towards a cause that promises change, has to personally believe in the cause itself.
The idea of opposition for the sake of opposition is not really an opposition as much as it is an admission of not having any viable alternatives to offer as a subsitute to what is being opposed. The above statement, once understood in the context of the Pakistani political system, becomes an insightful explanation to the logic behind the mantra of “a friendly opposition” which is the political expression in vogue in Pakistan and therefore, there is no difference between a government in power and an opposition in Pakistan, because they have no political differences and only see politics as a game to be played; waiting for their turn to make the most while they have a chance and it is because of this reason, that Pakistani politics has been characterized more by policies of an ad-hoc nature (short term) than by any policies of long term planning.
It is this reason, which encouages secular parties to make alliances with the religious parties and for the religious parties to have no qualms of being part of secular politics, because what brings these two different strands of ideology together is the common interest based on the idea of opportunism.
There is no need to debate the issue that Pakistan needs to change and that religion has rotted body politic of Pakistan, but there is a very urgent need to debate the question as to from where will a leadership come to tackle these problems, which believes in the idea of Pakistan itself?
The failure to answer this question or to provide an answer to this quandry will open the situation to a more complex, consequential and a more dangerous element of uncertainity. Most Pakistanis do not even comprehend the seriousness of this situation; of a lack of credible leadership in Pakistan and what it foretells for the future of Pakistan.
It is for this reason, that there will no meaningful change in Pakistan after the murder of Salman Taseer because whereas the moderate elements of the Pakistani society may desire change, they have no clue as to how to articulate the process of that change and like chickens, with their heads cut off, they run in circles wishing for a change and why they will always welcome the man on the horseback that comes promising change.
There will be a new dawn for Pakistan, but for now we must suffer the long night of darkness and it will be only through a most vile, inhumane act of cruelty that we will come to end of our national schadenfreude. Pakistan is presently fighting a religious civil war and it will suffer and it will continue to suffer till the common person in Pakistan makes a wilful decision to change his/her mind and realizes the cause of their common suffering and makes amends to the ideas of the past, which have reaped such a bounty of misery.
The end will come not from alienation of an idea about religion and politics, but from a sense of alienaton based the idea of the role of an individual within a religion. Change, from the old paradigms to a newer one, cannot happen even if there is a leadership to make that change possible, because change can only happen if the old system is weak and is incapable to resist the changes being forced upon it and until the ways of the old in Pakistan and the thinking associated with them are not weakened, change will be remain a chimera in Pakistan.
In end, this question is for the Pakistanis to decide as to what they really want and what are they prepared to sacrifice for the sake of change.
Look at the comments on PTH itself by the so-called liberal, moderate, well educated Pakistanis saying “Pakistan ka Khuda hi Hafiz”! I hope you see the irony! One has to believe in the idea of change and for people in Pakistan to give up on the idea of Pakistan, what is there left to change when you do not believe in Pakistan itself?!?!?
There are a couple of lines from the Broadway play, Les Miserables, which I think are very apt to the times in Pakistan and to the Pakistanis as a question?
Is there a new world you long to see? Will you stand up on the barricades with me and fight for that world; for your right to live in that world?
As said before; every Pakistani has to make a personal choice on which side of the barricades they wish to stand and what do they wish to fight for; a new world and the dawn of a new brighter day or a night of an endless darkness?
They say that when a person comes to the edge of an abyss and looks down, the abyss looks back at him/her and that is when they find their character. Pakistan is at the edge of that proverbial abyss and it is time to find our character and step into the arena and make that which we wish possible.
ciao
@Feroz: great points on the role of leadership. Agree with the general contour of your argument – and violently agree with the point that Pakistanis have a stark choice – better to make it voluntarily than involuntary by default.
Disagree with the following statement:
If the leadership of Pakistan, of all shades and hues, really believed in the longevity of Pakistan as a nation, they would not be having foreign bank accounts or be in the procession of dual nationalities.
The dual nationalities part sounds right. But the foreign bank account is a well-tested subcontinental hedge. Rich Indians have over $1.5 trillion stashed away outside India. Not many doubt the durability of the India concept or except India to collapse any time soon. People may be brave but capital is very cowardly – flees at the first hint of trouble.
I agree with the general point, though, that the “leaders” of Pakistan are not invested in the concept of Pakistan. I don’t see how the current order changes without a cataclysmic event on the scale of 1971. I dearly hope that’s just my feeble imagination.
Do not send to ask for whom the bells toll, it tolls for thee
John Donne
4000 serving soldiers in uniform and one serving governor in office – all gunned down by the bloody mullah and an establishment of gutless eunuchs looks on.
@deepak75
Pakistan needs to learn that religion is best left alone to the people.
well said
Kashifiat mian…
Anyone who says “Khas Kam Jahan Pak” like you did deserves to be behind bars.
@Feroz: Pakistan is presently fighting a religious civil war and it will suffer and it will continue to suffer till the common person in Pakistan makes a wilful decision to change his/her mind and realizes the cause of their common suffering and makes amends to the ideas of the past, which have reaped such a bounty of misery.
Instead of seeking to reform society – a gigantic task in normal circumstances – a tangential attack is more likely to succeed: an exclusive focus on improvement of the economic lot of the people. Nothing dims the allure of a distant jannat more than having a little taste of it right now. If Pakistan grows at less than 5% over the next 10 years, there’s little hope of society magically reforming itself. Grow at rates exceeding 5% and many of the “insurmountable societal problems” melt away – the population held in thrall by the mullah with an IQ of 80 diminishes rapidly.
@skarlok (January 6, 2011 at 6:55 am)
“…..4000 serving soldiers in uniform and one serving governor in office – all gunned down by the bloody mullah and an Establishment of gutless eunuchs looks on…..”
True. The gunned down governor was as much a true soldier of Pakistan as the 4000 soldiers who were martyred defending their country against Pakistan’s worst enemy – the Mullah.
@libertarian
You are clearly ignorant about the Pakistani society. The extremism there has nothing to do with economic issues. All the facebook lovers of Ghazi Qadri and Jahil Hamid belong to the middle classes. Qadri himself was not starving but had a good job. Furthermore, people like Faisal Shehzad, Aafia Siddiqui [Daughter of Pakistan] belonged to wealthy families.
Pakistan… Land of the Pure!! this meaning is very contradictory to the present condition of this country. A human life is cheaper than peanuts, and we Pakistanis, Muslims and human beings dont give a damn if a life is taken. We go about our Business As Usual in the next minute… wow .. how great and wonderful people we are. We call ourselves muslims… in my opinion we have not yet to become HUMAN BEINGS! We are the best judge of a fellow human, where as we oursleves are worse than the devil himself, we give “Fatwa” on fellow humans, whereas we ourselves follow Iblees, we condemn our felow human beings whereas we are not even fit for the animal kingdom. We celebrate death and try to destroy the happiness, we love to destroy, loot and make hell break loose! Salman Taseer was a Father, Husband, Brother, Son and much more, he was a GOOD man or BAD man, who are we to decide??
[4:93] Anyone who kills a believer on purpose, his retribution is Hell, wherein he abides forever, GOD is angry with him, and condemns him, and has prepared for him a terrible retribution.
This is what the Quran Says, This is what Allah Says, and we petty humans make Allah’s Law a Mockery, we Mullahs think that Islam is ours and Ours only and only we have the right to follow it, only we have the right to understand it and anyone who challenges us will be swiftly and effectively killed.. cause we Mullahs are the only ones whom Allah has given special permission to kill any anyone who speaks against us. After all we are the MULLAHS!! Wake up people of understanding, wake up before we all end up in a disaster beyond our imagination …. wake up! READ the Quran and its true meaning and Fear Allah, Wake Up, be good Humans, good Muslims and respect the feelings & sentiments and opinions of other fellow humans with patience and tolerance.
[3:185] Every person tastes death, then you receive your recompense on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever misses Hell, barely, and makes it to Paradise, has attained a great triumph. The life of this world is no more than an illusion.
READ the Quran , I sincerely request all of you,
[3:14] Adorned for the people are the worldly pleasures, such as the women, having children, piles upon piles of gold and silver, trained horses, livestock, and crops. These are the materials of this world. A far better abode is reserved at GOD.
READ the Quran!!
[2:272] You are not responsible for guiding anyone. GOD is the only one who guides whoever chooses (to be guided). Any charity you give is for your own good. Any charity you give shall be for the sake of GOD. Any charity you give will be repaid to you, without the least injustice.
my email is nadirkhandd@gmail.com. If anyone wants to join me in trying to make sense to Pakistanis, you are more than welcome to write to me.
We will do our best to try to make whatever little change we can manage.
Regards!!
@ libertarian (January 6, 2011 at 1:02 pm)
It is the religiously conservative morality of the middle class Pakistani, which fuels extermism in Pakistan. It is the result of the last 40 years of an educational thought process, which has turned religion into a form of nationalism. It is the result of using religion to justify every wrong and escape accountibility for one’s actions.
It has nothing to with economics or economic good fortunes or growth rates, but with a state of mind that cannot associated its identity and cannot contemplate its existence outside of a religious identity.
Pakistan will not be changed by increasing economic prosperity, but with a more painful process of a politically motivated religious civil war. In the last 40 years, from Z. A. Bhutto’s policies of appeasement to the religious right to his ideas of strategic depth to Zia-ul-Haq’s legalism favoring an Islamic state to Benazir Bhutto compromising with the status quo in order to rule and with Nawaz Sharif harboring dreams of a caliphate to Pervaiz Musharraf squandering the opportunity to affect a real change for his own sake to the present government, which is too disinterested in tackling the menance of religious extermists in Pakistan, this is has been a slow process of appeasement to the forces of intolerance; to bigots and to the ideas of political expediency.
There can be no meaningful change unless and until the very middle class that supports this idea and these acts starts to feel the effects of its silent encouragement of those who kill in the name of the religion. The mullah is not the problem; the problem is the mind, which supports the mullah and condones his irrationality in the name of a religion.
Right now, the lawyers throwing rose petals at the killer of Salman Taseer and people, who are supporting the act, are comfortable in their believes that acts like this does affect them, and the real meaningful and long lasting change will only happen, when this zone of comfort, in which most of the middle class exists, vanishes and they too start to be judged on the basis of religion. Presently, the vast majority of the Pakistanis are opposed to changes in the blasphemy law, because they have not personally suffered the injustice of being judged on the basis of religion questioning their morality and virtues as a Muslim. These Pakistanis believe that they are the part of the mainstream thought process, but what they do not realize is that the process of thought, in such cases, moves rapidily towards the narrow definations of a reactionary view, which sees all disagreements with its own view as tantamount to the blasphemy of the truth; a truth as it defines it without there being any relation to the element of truth still self existing in reality.
This battle and its casualities will not stop once the corpses stop falling, but it aims at a radical revision of the society itself and seeks to mould that society into its own image. This means, that once the larger public is cowered into submission, the process with creep and attack the very institutions which uphold the idea of a civil society and maintained such a society in the past. These institutions will need to be torn down, because they represent a connection with the past; a past that is considered as tainted and objectionable and cannot be allowed.
This idea does not exclude the possibility of an ideological assult on the Pakistani military once it is isolated. People are existing under false impressions if they believe that Pakistani army is a monolith, because Pakistani army is undergoing a massive internal debate, which is just starting and which will, over a period of time, question the very raison d’ etre of the Pakistani army and its rationales.
In years to come, the faint outlines of this debate will be seen and from this debate, will emerge a new, different, officer corps which challenge the old traditional ideas of the old officer corps. Pakistan and its army are engaged in military operations, in counter-insurgency, which last atleast two to three decades and will still be doubtful, because the end of such military operations may be to defeat the enemy, but it also means to create the political space for the politicans and the political administration to step and until that political space is filled, all military operations are basically a failure and at the present, there is no political vision existant in Pakistan on how to follow on the success of the military operations and secure the peace.
However, getting back to the debate within the Pakistani army. Given the time frames of this conflict, it is safe to say that the next generation of Pakistani military officers will come with experience in counter-insurgency operations and the bulk of their military experience will be against the Islamic militants and not India.
The centrality of India as a traditional enemy to Pakistan will not change, but what will change is the focus on Indian threat preceptions. Internally, Pakistani army has come to the realization that the most significant threat to it and its idea of Pakistan comes from the militant groups, which are present in Pakistan more so from India. As these young officers, with military experience on the western border move into the higher ranks, they will bring with them ideas, which were formed during the battles in west and these ideas will demand a more robust approch to the problem and a larger share of the resources to tackle the problem.
As these officers are elevated into the command structures of the Pakistani army, there is a good chance that they will focus more on the western border and place more resources there, but this is still 10-15 years away and the consequences are still not too clear as what will be the internal threat assessments of the Pakistani army, under command of this new officer corps, which probably will be the first officer corps of the Pakistani army to have intellectually and militarily and politically matured fighting a threat other than India.
In any case, we cannot preclude the possibility that the Pakistani army is not effected by this conflict, because it is and the reason we do not see any clarity to this change is because the old guard is still present in positions of command.
Pakistani society is on the cusp of change and there is a silent, bloody revolution underway, and such a massive change which aims at the whole metamorphsis of a society is never painless. Pakistan is entering a dark age of trynny made worse by the application of religion as a political tool of oppression and suppression of political dissent.
The people who are supporting the person who killed Salman Taseer do not understand that they are not supporting a religion so much as the idea of facism behind a religious view of politics, which will gradually deny to them all their rights and even the right to life. Once these people, who support religious extermists in Pakistan start to become the victims of religious extermism itself, will they be forced to rethink their options and in the end, the only option will be fight and once the middle class mind, which support these actions becomes convinced that these groups and their actions are not religious; will change happen.
We are not yet at that stage. There is a long way ahead of us full of suffering and more suffering before we get to that stage. Not until the mind that supports the mullah and his views starts to see and admit to the problem, can the power and the influence of the mullah be strait-jacketed.
Again, the words of John Donne remind us: do not send to ask for whom the bells toll, it tolls for thee!
ciao
Correction:
“Internally, Pakistani army has come to the realization that the most significant threat to it and its idea of Pakistan comes from the militant groups, which are present in Pakistan more so from India.”
The following sentence should read as follows:
Internally, Pakistani army has come to the realization that the most significant threat to it and its idea of Pakistan comes from the militant groups, which are present in Pakistan and NOT FROM from India.
ciao
Karma is a b*tch but my heart goes out to the true liberals in your society.
@Feroz Khan (January 6, 2011 at 9:09 pm)
“…..Internally, Pakistani army has come to the realization that the most significant threat to it and its idea of Pakistan comes from the militant groups, which are present in Pakistan and NOT FROM from India…..”
Very true.
It’s the Army itself which got Pakistan into this mess.
Those senile pregnant midgets we call Generals chose this path after losing all wars for this nation.
That is the truth, the bitter truth and we must realise it.
The generals share the mentioned traits with Mullahs.
Murdered is not the same thing as martyred.
@ Feroz Khan:
I would differ from you. SOME militant groups have gone out of control of the Army. The Army hasn’t “realized” anything.
Only those militant groups are being attacked that are against the Army. NOT those who submit to the Army’s supremacy.
Certain terrorists are now a threat for the Army and it needs to tackle them. Terrorism itself is the darling they will never give up on. The advantages of harboring terrorism are far greater than the cost of keeping them in line.
And I would like to add that the motivation for the Army is not ideological or of their status or role or even religion, its purely for economic reasons.
Its another matter that things will change, but they will change because there will be no choice left, when this gets out of hand.
Things will not change voluntarily or because of a debate. Things will change when change will be inevitable.
TIME FOR IMRAN KHAN/…….
Libertarian (January 6, 2011 at 1:02 pm) says “the population held in thrall by the mullah with an IQ of 80″? That’s being damned generous!
@Feroz Khan: thanks for taking the time to outline your thinking and your insight. It’s clear my idea of an economic thrust was made in a vacuum. Reading your response (will re-read for subtleties I missed) gives me a much better idea of “facts on the ground” and likely future direction. It is also terribly disheartening. I’m hoping you’re completely wrong – as I’m sure you’re hoping too – but I suspect that you’re horribly right.
This assassination’s aftermath: rose petals from lawyers on Qadri; 40000-strong gathering in Karachi; people talking about Taseer “deserving” it without fear; people fearful of supporting Taseer; all truly alarming. The world is watching in horror as this macabre drama plays out. Per your prediction it does seem that things will get much worse before they turn the corner.
@Hola: maybe you’re right. The idea of an economic-lead revival is probably a mirage. But it serves no purpose to add my voice to the gloom and doom. There’s plenty of that.
“Arsalan Khan wrote :
Salman Taseer was no martyr he was worldly men with three wives and many children. Salman Taseer disowned his son who he never met or acknowledged. Now that he is dead he seems to became a martyr! ”
Come on Arsalan Khan… what is the point of you being here? Are you here to excuse the mullahs? Rather than condemning the killing have you come here to defend your views on how the killing was for the greater good of Pakistan and Islam? Are you a stupid laloo who thinks it is blasphemy speak about a man made law… but it isn’t to kill… in the name of Islam? You are a extremist… sorry, we don’t have time for you.
@ Feroz Khan
“Once these people, who support religious extermists in Pakistan start to become the victims of religious extermism itself, will they be forced to rethink their options….”
They are becoming the victims, but I don’t think it is possible to for pakistan to go back, these laws are here to stay… unfortunately majority of pakistanis are uneducated… they have already shown thir true colours… the progressive modern pakistanis need to leave that hell hole.
“… and in the end, the only option will be fight and once the middle class mind, which support these actions becomes convinced that these groups and their actions are not religious; will change happen.”
Really think so… the extremists are too entrenched in the whole of Pakistan society, I think only the army can do something, and that means physically removing all the mullahs from power and stop listening to the arabs, but that isn’t happening either… so by the looks of it Pakistan is on course for a proper burning.
“We are not yet at that stage. There is a long way ahead of us full of suffering and more suffering before we get to that stage. Not until the mind that supports the mullah and his views starts to see and admit to the problem, can the power and the influence of the mullah be strait-jacketed.”
So right… and if you believe that the last paragraph above has any truth in it and you care about the future, you will need to accept people with different opinions… that means minorities with all types of views, and than PROTECT them… if you don’t than you will eventually be in the minority and wish you had done something when you had the chance.
@Talha (January 8, 2011 at 1:15 am)
“…..It’s the Army itself which got Pakistan into this mess…..”
In the historical perspective, yes, that would be correct. However, the same Pakistan Army has of late lost more than 3000 of its men, fighting the Army of Mullahdom. The blood of these 3000 fallen men will, in all likelihood, go a long way to change perceptions within the Army. If it does not turn out to be so, then I’m afraid, the blood of these 3000 fallen men would have been lost in vain.
A homage to the courage of Salman Taseer… http://owaisvasundhara.blogspot.com/2011/03/poem-nazm-aye-tashaddud-ke-deewano.html
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