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Curse of God on the Mullahs
By Bin Ismail
A while ago an Ahmadi said “assalamo alaikum”, meaning ‘peace be unto you’ to the mulla of his neighborhood. Though courteous, this was obviously not a very wise act on the part of the Ahmadi gentleman. The mulla returned the courtesy by lodging a complaint against the Ahmadi, claiming that the Ahmadi had violated the Anti-Ahmadi Ordinance XX, now a part of the constitution of Pakistan, by using an Islamic greeting, thus “posing to be a Muslim”.
The accused was summoned to the Police Station. The not-so-wise Ahmadi was fortunately received by a wise police officer, who asked him why he said “salam” to the mulla. The Ahmadi innocently replied, “I only intended to send peace to the cleric.”
The wise policeman said to the Ahmadi, “I’m letting you go this time, but make sure you never repeat this in future. Next time invoke the curse of God on this bloody mulla.”
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Curse of Allah on the House of Bhutto,Mudoodi and his ill-gotton son Prof Ghafoor Ahmed and Tufail Muhammed and Mufti Mehmood and his ill-gotten son Fazal Rehman who signed 1974 declaration declaring Ahmedis as non Muslims.
Curse of Allah on the House of Zia and his ill-gotton son Ijaz ul Haq who promulgated 1984 Ant-Ahmadiyya Ordinance. Curse on the House of Syed Yusuf Raza Gillani and Chudhry Nisar who were members of Mujlis Shura of the dictator.
This curse will come pass on these people and the kafir army of Islamic republic of Pakistan in the name of the last Prophet of Allah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani., who cursed all their progeny to burn in hell for eternity.
@A Shaikh – have you stopped taking your medication again?
@ Bin Ismail can you please censor this idiot until he starts taking his medicine again
@A Shaikh
As an observer muslim, I have no qualms about your curses on the people involved in declaring a whole community as non muslims. The people of Pakistan has endured a great deal of sufferings from the earthquake and the floods, which we regard were of biblical dimension.
But tell me out of curosity and my ignorance, why would someone consider Salam o laiqam as Islamic, I thought it is arabic? Also why do you state that mr Qadiani was a last prophet. Is there any rationale behind this claim and if not is it not a provocation to majority of muslims in the world. I always thought that Mohammad being the last prophet meant that his followers of the coming generation are not misled by any self proclaimed prophet of God. A straight security precaution.
Rex Minor
Who funds the mullah? Who gives the mullah a mosque and pulpit from which to speak? Who provides the audience to the mullah? Are you cursing on the one side, but supporting on the other side, with plausible deniability this very ill?
It’s ridiculous actually. The Mullahs would really not be offended by a la’nat (curse) but be troubled by a salam!
Our orthodox religious priesthood is showing all the signs of a deranged, mentally-compromised and dangerous patient. I guess the real tragedy is that the moderate and ordinary folk consider the mullahs as holy men. What can you say when lunatics become mentors of the reasonable-minded people?
A Sheikh
It’s a very simple situation and there is no need to overcomplicate the problem. It’s a crime for an Ahmadi use Islamic terms (e.g. Salam etc.) in Pakistan. The mullahs would rather hear a curse than a salam. That does not mean that Ahmadis are cursing everyone. It’s just a reflection on the mindset of mullahs.
@Bin Ismail
An illuminating anecdote indeed, that was truly a wise police officer!
@But!
Who funds the mullah? Who gives the mullah a mosque and pulpit from which to speak? Who provides the audience to the mullah?
I believe the gullible people of Pakistan are partially to blame here. So is the government by giving in to demands of clerics. It’s interesting to note the rise of madrassa construction in Islamabad alone in the last 10 years. Where are the funds coming from?? I have an inkling that saudi arabia is a main culprit here.
@ rex minor
I believe A Skaikh is being sarcastic in his view of Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian and his followers and he is trying to distort Ghulam Ahmad’s claims.
As your comment:
why would someone consider Salam o laiqam as Islamic, I thought it is arabic?
Here I would argue that “salam alaikum” is indeed islamic because the Prophet himself taught this specific phrase to his followers. This should definitely not bar others from using it however. Many non-muslims in America have greeted me with that phrase….If only I could take them to court here in the USA…..
I always thought that Mohammad being the last prophet meant that his followers of the coming generation are not misled by any self proclaimed prophet of God. A straight security precaution.
In the Quran Muhamad (PBUH) was called “khatam” of the Prophets, which means “Seal” of the Prophets. You can interpret that phrase as meaning “Last in time” but then there would surely be a contention with that meaning and several hadith and books of lughat. One specific group of hadith with which there would be a contention is regarding the second coming of “ibn-maryam”. We would be left with the conundrum, Muhammad is the “last prophet in time” yet “ibn-Maryam” a prophet of God, is yet to come again.
Run, people, run!
AMuslimStillAwaits, the psychopath diagnosed with multiple personality disorder and acute narcissism, has landed to this thread. Leave him alone to enlighten his multiple incarnations.
Pakistan’s troubles started with Lanai-tullah al Kazabeen when the cursed bastard Shah Faisal set foot on Pakistani soil. Shah Faisal Bhutto and Qadhafi had a special hatred for the followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. They opened the flood gates of dollars for Pakistan and its Islamic army under its 1976 Chief of Army Staff Muhammad Zia ul Haq.Once a Muslim soldier develop a taste for Arab dollars he will do anything including kissing Osama ‘s back side.
But!
http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/salam1.htm
The worst creatures that have ever been come into existence are Mullahs. Even the dumbest creatures have much more wisdom than mullahs. I doubt if they have brains at all.
Qadiani’s are our brothers, because they are peaceful at least. Mullahs don’t even know the real meaning of peace. What they call peace is actually terrorism.
[...] Curse of God on the Mullahs [...]
This country made a choice several years ago that it will allow Mullahs to interfere in affiars of state and politics. At that time, the Head of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat advised the government not to let this happen, and keep the state and religion separate from each other. The government of the time chose to ignore that wise counsel, and today we, as a nation, are suffering so miserably because of this. Our country stands isolated in the comity of nations, because we took such a wrong turn to let Mullah interfere in the matters of state. One wrong step, followed by another wrong step, followed by another wrong step, became a snow-ball phenomenon, and when we woke up on May 2, 2011, it was too late in the eyes of some.
Even after that day, our focus as a nation has not been on rectifying our own mistakes, like trying to curtail the influence of Mullahs and Islamic Militancy.
It is still time for our leaders and intellectuals to make a decision that Mullahism is not acceptable any more, and once that decision is made, we’ll be able to respectfully live as a country. Otherwise, this country has to face even more serious consequences.
It appears that some of our respected friends are missing the point that in this particular incident, as narrated above, it was not the Ahmadi who was doing the cursing and swearing. On the contrary, the Ahmadi gentleman extended the salutation of peace to someone who would gladly have cursed him. The wise policeman, however, was quick to discern the situation and offered a word of advice.
” Taa’eed-e sitam maslihat-e mufti-e deen hai ” [Faiz]
Punchy and succinct
Still, it escapes me how the majority of the non-Ahmadi Pakistani populace since the early 50s did not see this scenario playing out
Dear Bin Ismail sahib,
Need your help. Please give an answer. Thanks.
What happened to 79.9 million Qadianis in India?
Professor Emeritus C.M. Naim at University of Chicago in his op-ed ‘Learn From Pakistan’ published in ‘Out Look India’ has talked about opposition to Qadianis by Muslims in India. He also talked about Qadiani Jamaat population in India. He writes:
“Qadian, described as a class III town in the census, must be a backwater place. Its total population as reported in the 2001 census was 22,001. Perhaps they are all Ahmadis, peaceably living in a place that is of significance to them. There is no reasonable estimate of the total number of Indian Ahmadis, but it cannot be more than one lac (100,000).”
I vividly remember Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 4 Mirza Tahir Ahmad announced his followers, in India alone had increased to more than 80 MILLION. And our Qadiani friends use to boast about their successful propagation. I remember reading their taunts on Internet. They use to make fun of “Lahoris” (LAM members) (by picking on this writer) population in the world.
Now reading about Qadiani population in India, in a reputable newspaper in an op-ed of a respectable professor who is fighting for Qadianis makes me worry about Qadianis in India. May be some Qadiani friend updates us about well being of Qadiani followers of HMGA in India. And if Professor C.M. Naim wrote a blatant lie and intentionally discredited Qadiani Khalifa 4 Mirza Tahir Ahmad and his followers, then it is incumbent on Qadianis to take Professor Naim to court of law in USA, where he resides.
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farah Khan announced they had ‘1 Million Man March’ in 1995, in Washington DC. And National Park Service gave their estimate of only 400 Thousand. Louis Farah Khan organization threatened to sue National Park Service.
Link to Out Look India:
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?271564
Note above post was Copy-Pasted from blog of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement (i.e. the Lahori-Ahmadis).
@A Shaikh,
LET’S KEEP THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
“Shah Faisal Bhutto and Qadhafi had a special hatred for the followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. ”
Shah Faisal KEPT SON OF MAULANA NOOR-UD-DIN (Abdul Manan Omar)AS ROYAL GUEST FOR 6 MONTHS, when Shah Faisal was then Governor of Makkah and his father Ibn-Saud was King of Saudi-Arabia. Maulana Noor ud Din son was honored for his 45 years of hard work to subject wise arrange Musnad-Ahmad-Bin-Hambal (The largest Hadith collection–over 35 thousands) This was done FIRST TIME in history of Islam.
Col. Ghadhafi REFUSED to declare Ahmadis (both Qadianis and Lahoris) as Kafir. (Personally told to me by Lahori-Ahmadi who was a senior PAF officer and on deputation in Libya. Mullah PAF officers approached Ghadhafi with in weeks after 1974 ammendment declaring Ahmadis as Kafir.
Bhutto declared Qadianis as Kafir (and by “guilty by association” also Lahori-Ahmadis), because Qadiani Khalifa 3 and his brother (who became Qadiani Klhalifa 4) after helping PPP and ZAB win 1970 election, were acting as KING MAKERS LIKE JEWS IN USA (Ref: Last 323 days of Bhutto by Col. Rafi)
@BJ Kumar (May 16, 2011 at 12:59 am)
1: “…..This story is the ultimate in deception…..”
This story is a straightforward narration of something that actually took place in Pakistan. May I ask why a negative mention of the Mulla has left you so perturbed?
2: “…..the policewala is the real villain…..”
The real villain is the mixing of Politics and Religion.
3: “…..it is unlikely that the Ahmadi will ever take the chance of antagonizing the mullah again…..”
The expression “again” seems to be out of context. The Ahmadi had, in no way, antagonized the mullah, even in the first place. All he did was to extend his salam to the mulla.
@BJ Kumar
Really…The police man is the culprit here? His deft application of a (immoral) law while auto correcting based on his position of power and consciousness surely deserves our standing ovation. If there were more conscientious policemen like the one mentioned in the anecdote, surely the right laws would be enforced in Pakistan while laws such as the one above will rightfully be treated as a joke.
@AMuslimStillWaits
But, like all other good people of faith, none here even remotely promotes open religious inquiry (as far as I can tell)
Did these “good people of faith” threaten or discourage you from researching other religions or ideologies? Thank you for aptly adding the disclaimer “as far as I can tell” because it does apply here.
Pakistanis who simply, genuinely, honestly want to reduce the role of ALL religion – Islam and Ahmadism included, in their personal and public lives.
Now if you want to influence people’s personal and public lives are you not guilty of crossing the same boundary you blame religious people for crossing.
Suppose I was not a Muslim. Yet if I pretended to be a Muslim here, you would not be quite pleased.
how does one discern if another is “pretending to be a muslim” please guide me here.
@ BJ Kumar
Mubarak, to take an extreme example, sure one can blame Hitler — but how much damage can Hitler do without the active (perhaps reluctant, but active participation) of his tools of implementation — those Nazi guards?!
Since you bring in Hitler let me offer you a more accurate analogy-that of Schindler’s list. Could you put blame on Schindler for creating a business legitimate under nazi law and then save thousands of jewish lives by employing them. Are you going to say “but why is he doing that job at all?” and “Why is he willing to tolerate such behavior from
mullahHitler “? Everyone acts according to their sphere of influence. The policeman’s job was to enforce the law, which in general are good. But when it came to this discriminatory law he aptly found a way around it. For this he deserves credit.AMuslimStillAwaits
in liberal, human-logic based traditions it is quite customary to acknowledge absence of full information, particularly if one has not personally verified the accuracy of each data point, if the sample-size is not as large as one would like it to be, etc. These are data quality issues.
I agree but to which of my posts are you responding?
Readers,
BJKumar and AMuslimStillAwaits/AMuslimAwaits are two Indian trolls from Chowk.com … Kindly do not respond to them or indulge with them in any exercise of futility.
I’ll be deleting their comments as and when I can.
bin ismail wants god to curse the mullah.
Why do you need god?
Has your (so-called) god no better abilities than to curse? Is he helpless? Helpless people speak out or wish for curses.
A Shaikh is not linked to Lahore Ahmadi Jamaat.
Great to see Bin Ismail’s story on a smart Police Officer!
A Shaikh’s subsequent curses on those who drafted and designed anti-Ahmadiyya legislations cannot be objected to!
But Shaikh seems to be unware that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is not the last Prophet of Allah. Allah has already raised yet another Prophet in the Ahmadiyya Community in the new Century and his blessed presence is now amongst us. He is Hazrat Munir Ahmad Azim Sahib of Mauritius. Those of you who are interested may visit his website:
http://www.jamaat-ul-sahih-al-islam.com/
Fazil Jamal,
New Delhi.
The whole idea behind this discussion was to demonstrate how religiously motivated legislation tends to lead the State machinery into irrational and clumsy situations. The idea here, is not a theological debate. From the State’s point of view, it should be of little relevance whether the Citizen believes in one God, two, three, a thousand or none. It should be meaningless whether the Citizen takes one path in search of spiritual salvation or another or none at all. The State must be able to keep itself clear of all biases towards or against the religious viewpoint of a certain denomination.
@fellowpakistani001
The financial support of the Saudis and Qadhafi for anti Ahmeddiya post 1974 is well documented.
BTW the Mormon Jamaat of Ahmadis has a new Dajjal Hazrat Munir Ahmad Azim Sahib of Mauritius. Congratulation to all the Islamic Mormons Khalifa 5 Ahmadi mark1 , Lahoris and the new Mujjadid…. carry on guys you look very intelligent!
Well! An interesting debate. But we are missing an important point. The gist is that mullah of today has stooped so low. It was bound to happen because there is a prophecy about it by Holy Prophet ( SAW). I am quoting few ahadith. No offence is meant everyone can interpret it according to his own thinkng.
1) Holy Prophet ( Saw) told his companions that you are living in an era when there are many scholars of religion but few speakers, but there will be a time there will be many speakers but few scholars of religion.( kanzul amal hadith 38628)
2) Holy Prophet ( SAW) said that I am afraid for you about your wicked Imams.( ref Mishkat Kitabul Fitan)
3) Holy Prophet said that there will be a time whwen there will be many Qaris but few schalars of religion.9 Kanzul Amal Hadith no. 38457)
4) Holy Prophet( SAW) said that there will be a time in my Ummat, when people of my ummat will consult their ullamah and will find them like monkeys and pigs.( Of course this points to spiritual and moral decline of ullamah)( ref . Kanzul Ammal hadith no 387240)
So if this stage has come, then it was destined to be so. But prophecies continue that this pathetic satate will not be for ever.
If you look at the faces of these MULLAHS you can very easily observe the CURSE of ALLAH printed on there ugly faces…look at FAZLOO FACE….look monkey MULLAH MUAWAR HUSSAN FACE….look at SAJID MIR FACE…..look at QADRI…PADRI…NAQSHBANDI….THIS THAT….you will see one think very common and that is LANNAH means CURSE of ALLAH printed on there faces……
@Sultan (May 16, 2011 at 10:26 pm)
True. Very true. We are a generation who have witnessed with their own eyes, the fulfillment of all these prophetic words of the Holy Prophet. These words were indeed destined to meet with fulfillment – destined by God Himself. It could not have been otherwise. The tragedy lies not in the fact that what was foretold came to pass, but in the fact that we as a nation could not benefit from these words of warning. What is worse is the fact that even after having witnessed the destructive propensities of the Mulla, even after having lost around 25,000 innocent civilians and 5,000 brave soldiers to the Mulla, our nation does not have the courage to speak out. My fear is that this slumber could cost our dear country its very existence.
The Mulla was against Pakistan and its founder even before Pakistan came into existence. The Mulla has remained loyal to his anti-Pakistan and anti-Jinnah agenda. Pakistanis, on the other hand have not been able to show half the amount of loyalty for Pakistan and its founder.
Today, the Mulla Force rules and rides the country by means of havoc, death and destruction, while the State machinery looks on with cowardice – awe-struck and bewildered.
Lastly, if I may add to the quotations you’ve presented, the following words of warning of the Holy Prophet. Speaking about the Ulema of the Muslims, the Prophet said:
“Their Ulama would be the worst of all creatures that exist beneath the membrane of heaven”. [Mishkaat]
PTH is deeply uncomfortable with any questioning of Ahmadi dogma that all Muslims reject – even the most peaceful ones committed to promoting justice.
Obviously you haven’t been here too long on PTH.
In India their was/is a tradition in rural Indian villages of North India, (which have sizable population of Muslims and also villages dominated with Muslims) of saying assalamo alaikum when two Hindu and Muslim meet together. So whenever my father meet them he always says assalamo alaikum, people whom my father meets were ordinary farmers who had taken our farms on batai, So I being minor at that time always wondered, why my father says like this instead of usually Namaskar/Namastey/Ram-ram or these people smilingly replies with assalamo alaikum or if greeted with Namaksar replies in Namaskar too, but no one from Muslim community ever objected or resented till today. No one came forward and says that you being a Hindus or Non Muslim can not say assalamo alaikum or Me can’t say Namaskar. It is very sad that Ahamadiayas after all Muslims are being denied from their fundamental right by these fundoos.
Jai Shri Krishna to all at Pak Tea House. Ahmedi friends should also reciprocate by wishing all Hindus Jai Shri Krishna.Allahu Akbar
Jai Shri Krishna!
God says in the Quran:
“…and say not to anyone who greets you with Salam, ‘You are not a believer’…” [Quran 4:94]
Why do non-arabs greet each other in arabic? Why do they insult their own languages by neglecting them? Where is the self-respect of the non-arabs? The arabic greeting sounds like a poisonous snake hissing and spewing a foam of venom. The word “salam” has no meaning anymore in the arab language – with all the violence and lies for which this language acts as a vehicle.
@observer (May 17, 2011 at 7:09 pm)
If Muslims today are not following the teachings of Islam, the fault lies with the Muslims, not with Islam.
I am obviously not aware of the language you speak at home. At the moment, however, you are expressing your thoughts in English, which as far as I know, may or may not be you mother-tongue. In case it is not, your choice of English is not an insult to your mother-tongue.
to bin ismail
The english language does not impose any religion or god-concept or an unquestionable “holy” book or final “prophet” or ideology or british racism upon me – no more does it do that.
The arabic language/script does impose arab hegemony, arabic tribal god-concept, religion, customs, personal names etc. upon non-arabs, esp. non-arab muslims. Even some pakistanis occasionally show anger at the arab hegemony and bootlicking of arabs that has been imposed on them through islam.
Fortunately the common language between you and me is english and not arabic or its (as considered by muslims) low-class offspring urdu. Arabic language (it is a great language, I have studied it somewhat) has unfortunately become a captive instrument of islamic totalitarianism and arabic ethnofascism.
Muslims are following the teachings of islam with great (and ever greater) application, enthusiasm and energy and hence they are thoroughly confused and bloody-conflicted since the kuran contains contradictions, ambiguities, mistakes, deceits, manipulations etc. – something a muslim will and can never admit in public. Your own inability to be honest in this matter is well documented in the PTH. It is time you feel it yourself within you. How long can a mentally healthy person live with his own dishonesty?
The english language does not presently have the ambition to destroy non-english identities – the arabic language of the kuran does have such an ambition of destroying non-arab self-respect and identities. It is seen in practice that it is actually happening and is not some wild accusation by me.
The fact that this issue is even being debated just goes to show how far to the right Pakistanis now are when it comes to issues of religion.
Although saying Salam is an Islamic practice – even from its inception it was never limited just to Muslims. During the days of various Islamic empires and indeed in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) non-Muslims would also use this greeting.
Its just ridiculous that Ahmadis are targeted in this way.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter the fact is Pakistan’s current situation is there for all to see – religious fanatics have destroyed the country. If Pakistanis are happy with that and willing to live with it – than fair enough – each to their own, just don’t expect things to get better any time soon.
@observer (May 17, 2011 at 10:27 pm)
So the issue for you, clearly is not a foreign language – it’s Arabic. In the English language, my friend, which incidentally, is not the language of the Arabs, there is a word that very closely describes your state of mind. The word is “bigotry”.
In view of the fact that you are relatively less acquainted with the teachings of the Holy Quran, allow me to draw your kind attention to some Quranic references which should enable you to understand the teachings of Islam better. Please remember that “Islam” is what the Quran teaches, not what Muslims do. Please do take the trouble to go through the following:
1: “There is no coercion in matters of religion.” (Quran 2:256 )
2: “Whoever chooses to believe let him believe and whoever chooses to disbelieve let him disbelieve” (Quran 18:29)
3: “Permission to fight is given ONLY to those against whom war is waged, because they have been wronged” (Quran 32:39).
4: “Your religion is for you and my religion is for me ” (Quran 109:6)
5: “And revile not those gods whom they call upon beside Allah” (Quran 6:108)
@MUAhmad (May 17, 2011 at 10:45 pm)
“…..Although saying Salam is an Islamic practice – even from its inception it was never limited just to Muslims…..”
True.
@observer
Why do they insult their own languages by neglecting them? Where is the self-respect of the non-arabs?
Languages are constantly changing with migrations and movements. the hindi spoken in India today is not what was spoken even 2 hundred years ago. In fact, now millions of inhabitants of india speak hinglish. Why do they dishonor their ancient sanskrit language. So the concept you are trying to convey through the phrase “neglecting their own language” is not a real one.
The english language does not impose any religion or god-concept or an unquestionable “holy” book or final “prophet” or ideology or british racism upon me – no more does it do that.
arabic indeed doesn’t impose any of the aforementioned things either.
Arabic language (it is a great language…)…
lets just leave it at that.
To bin ismail and mubarak
bin ismail quotes regularly only the nice sentences from the kuran, not the ones which the jihadists and other islamofascsits have on their tongues. Even these supposedly nice sentences are not without their ambiguities and poison in them. Islam in practice (not just muslims in practice) empties these “nice” sentences of their “niceties” with the help of some other sentnces in the kuran. Coercion can be practised by various means, some very subtle. The disbeliever is outwardly allowed to disbelieve but there are quite a few mecahnism (some by allah himself) to terrorize him for this.
A religion/ideology that claims finality and perfection can never be genuinely tolerant. Monotheism can never be genuinely non-totalitarian. These are analytic truths.
Arabic in conjunction with the kuran and as the captive instrument of the kuran and as the only language spoken/written by the arab god allah does impose a totalitarian-fascist arab-hegemonial world-view on muslims, who in turn are trying to push it on everyone else in order to please the arab god.
Islam is already 1400 years old and hence I must judge it by the actual performance of the muslims and muslim societies. No foul excuses allowed now. If you believe islam is wonderful (the most wonderful) in theory, claims and declarations then that is your private obsession born out of an upbringing based on intimidation, fear, slander of non-islam and bribery with sweet-false promises of a wonderful afterlife.
@observer (May 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm)
The first Council of Ulema in the history of Muslims was the one that was created by the Umayyid king Yazid. Yazid established this council for one prime purpose, which was to legitimize all his transgressions – a purpose he was able to achieve. When Yazid sought the assistance of the Council of Ulema for branding Imam Hussain an apostate and rebel, there was only one scholar who showed reluctance. A bag of gold coins was dispatched by the ruler to the cleric and the reluctance evaporated into thin air. Hussain, the greatest saint and mystic of his time, the beloved grandson of the founder of the religion of Islam and one of the holiest men ever to have walked the Earth, was besieged and beheaded.
Where did the clergy draw its inspiration and religious justification from? Was it the Quran that guided those accursed clerics towards issuing the fatwa that led to the killing of Hussain or was it the Hadith? None – it was their lust for power that led them to this. The clerics were capable of drawing the most malignant meanings from all the “nice sentences”, as you call them, of the Quran, because what they saw at the end of the tunnel was not light – it was political power.
to bin ismail
So you admit that your mohammadan-kuranic god is a nincompoop. That’s what your islamic history repeatedly proves.
Does islam have any real heroes or only legends?
Can islam produce good leaders or only fascist gangsters posing as leaders?
What should we conclude after observing islamic history of 1400 years?
All your excuses are foul and useless. They actually confirm your inability to be honest since you stand under the compulsion to glorify/defend islam and its legends at all costs and by all means.
observer,
I see ‘viva’ in your ramblings. I guess you have gone past the point of being able to hold honest and decent discussion. It is impossible to argue with an idiot.
@observer (May 18, 2011 at 10:03 pm)
“…..So you admit that your mohammadan-kuranic god is a nincompoop. That’s what your islamic history repeatedly proves…..”
Well, actually I admit that it was perhaps too demanding on my part to expect that you would be able to comprehend the difference between the teachings of “Islam” and the conduct of the people who call themselves Muslims.
“Islam” is a set of teachings and “Muslim” is anybody who calls himself a “Muslim”.
It appears, you read my previous comment in haste. I assure you, it is without any arrogance or malice, that I present for your attention, the second paragraph of my previous comment for the second time. This is what I had submitted:
“Where did the clergy draw its inspiration and religious justification from? Was it the Quran that guided those accursed clerics towards issuing the fatwa that led to the killing of Hussain or was it the Hadith? None – it was their lust for power that led them to this. The clerics were capable of drawing the most malignant meanings from all the “nice sentences”, as you call them, of the Quran, because what they saw at the end of the tunnel was not light – it was political power.”
Hence, the term “nincompoop”, if applicable to anybody, either correctly describes those mullas who mixed religion with politics or such individuals who lack the intellectual capacity needed to differentiate between a religion and those who claim to follow it.