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Hizbut Tahrir’s High Treason
By YLH
This morning I received an email from Pakistani branch of Hizbut tahrir addressed to Pakistani Generals asking them to rise up against the constitutional government of Pakistan and their own chain of command i.e. General Kayani and General Pasha. Article 6 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, 1973, has been thrown about a lot in wake of the Memogate scandal but nothing in the memo attracts Article 6. I wrote an article about Article 6 and memogate in Daily Times. However, Hizbut Tahrir’s letter presents a fit case for prosecution under Article 6 of the Constitution.
Article 6 supra reads:
“High treason. (1) Any person who abrogates or subverts or suspends or holds in abeyance, or attempts to hold in abeyance or attempts or conspires to abrogate or subvert or suspend or hold in abeyance the constitution by use of force or show of force or by any other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason. (2) Any person aiding and abetting or collaborating the acts mentioned in clause (1) shall likewise be guilty of high treason. (2-A) An act of high treason mentioned in clause (1) or clause (2) shall not be validated by any court including the Supreme Court and a High Court. (3) Majlis-e-shura (parliament) shall by law provide for the punishment of persons found guilty of high treason.”
Hizbut Tahrir’s open letter to Pakistani Generals dated 29.11.11 has all the elements of High Treason as defined by the Constitution. The Government of Pakistan must act against this organisation immediately as it presents a clear and present danger to Pakistan’s constitution.
I reproduce their open letter inciting Pakistani generals to overthrow Pakistan’s government, Pakistan’s army leadership and the very state of Pakistan:
To the Generals,
Air Marshalls,
Navy Admirals and
Officers of the Pakistan Armed forces
Respected Brothers in Islam,
We Hizb ut Tahrir address you in our capacity as a global political party, whose ideology is Islam. We are well known to you and so is our agenda, which is working for the establishment of the Islamic State, the Khilafah. Hizb ut Tahrir, is the only global party that works throughout the Muslim world, to liberate the Muslims from the hegemony of the colonialist powers, the foremost being America, by unifying the Ummah under the Kalima of Allah سبحانه وتعالى as one powerful state, ruled by a single Khaleefah.
We address you in your capacity as the actual rulers of Pakistan. It is an open secret that not only do you command the largest Muslim armed forces in the world, you also through the ISI, exert a commanding influence over the civilian institutions, the parliament and the judiciary. Being the real rulers of this country, only through you can the Ummah be liberated from the current crises, hardship and calamities that that she faces at the hands of the Western capitalist states, or you can lead her to further destruction.
Respected Brothers in Islam,
In the early hours of 2 May, 2011, the US Navy SEALS, reportedly violated our airspace and attacked a compound in Abbotabad. They reportedly killed Osama Bin Laden and then took his body away. This incident put the Pakistan armed Forces to shame both at home and abroad. At home your ability to safeguard our sovereignty was questioned, whilst abroad you were accused of complicity with the so-called terrorists. To add insult to injury, on 18 May 2011, commenting on the invasion of Abottabad, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, declared, “If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I’ve already paid a price. I’ve been humiliated. I’ve been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity.”And if this were not enough, it emboldened India against Pakistan. On 4 May 2011, Indian Army Chief General VK Singh said, “All the three wings (army, navy and air force) are capable of carrying out such operations, when needed.”
It is inevitable that pursuing America’s interests will compromise those of Pakistan’s, when one considers America’s strategic objectives. America’s strategic objectives have been to prevent Russian and Chinese domination of Eurasia, control the hydrocarbon resources of the Caspian Sea and the Middle East, control the security and the transit of hydrocarbons from the Caspian Sea and the Middle East and finally prevent the emergence of the Khilafah State. For achievement of these objectives, Pakistan is critically placed. And critical to directing Pakistan policy is its armed forces and the ISI.
In order to achieve this, the US needed to reduce Pakistan’s regional influence for three reasons. Firstly, the US needed to establish its physical presence in Afghanistan and naturally had to remove Pakistani influence there. Therefore, Pakistan’s support for the Taliban had to go. Secondly the Kashmir Jihad was detracting India away from assuming the US intended role of countering China. US needed a stronger India, hence the need to stop the Kashmir Jihad and to end ISI’s influence in India. Thirdly, America seeks to stop or at least delay the emergence of Khilafah. Hence, weakening the army and filtering out strong, professional and Islam-inclined officers from within the ranks of the army.
The 9/11 attacks, an event that has yet to reveal all of its secrets, provided an opportunity for the US to bring in a pliant pro-US government in Afghanistan, and Musharraf duly obliged with support to enable the US to remove the Taliban Government, mercilessly killing Muslims in pursuit of her objectives. Hence, Musharraf provided support to the US in removing a pro-Pakistan government, and installing a pro-US, pro-Indian and anti-Pakistan government in Afghanistan. The truth of Musharraf’s treachery was known to his Corps Commanders at the time, but they kept silent and thereby allowed him to weaken both the armed forces and Pakistan.
After Musharraf, these policies have been continued and now the roles have been assumed by his successors within the military leadership led by General Kiyani and the Director General of ISI, General Pasha, who have been providing the same level of unstinted support to the US in order to further weaken the armed forces and Pakistan.
Respected Brothers in Islam,
It is in this context that we call upon you, the silent majority, to break your silence and rise to the occasion. For if you remained silent and subservient, not only will you face the wrath of Allah سبحانه وتعالى on the Day of Judgement, the very institution of which you take pride in will be further turned against its own people and weakened as America wants its war to be taken beyond tribal areas into the major cities of Karachi and Multan. Furthermore, the very country which you are there to protect will be immersed into even more chaos and strife in front of your eyes in accordance with the US plan for this region as part of its Broader Middle East initiatives, initiated by US President Bush and continuing under President Obama.
For those of you who have the slightest of doubt about you being responsible for the weakening of our armed forces and country, we raise the following points for you to contemplate:
Is it not true that you remained silent when the US undertook the raid in Abbotabad, which the US was only able to undertake after the co-operation of Kiyani and Pasha? The attack only occurred after the extraordinary meeting between ISAF Commander US General Petraeus and General Kayani, at Chaklala Airbase on 25 April 2011, to be followed that very same night with General Petraeus making a teleconference with a White House meeting chaired personally by US President Barack Obama. Then the very next day, the ISI Chief, Pasha, made an unscheduled attendance to a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, a meeting which he is not usually part of. It is this meeting that Obama hinted at when he haughtily announced the death of Bin Laden, saying, “And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice.” And what of your silence when Kayani rushed to save America from the wrath of the sincere officers of the armed forces? Rather than inciting them against America, he tried to instill fear of the enemy in his own troops!
Is it not true that you remained silent when your leadership at the behest of US, moved the theatre of war from Afghanistan to the tribal areas of Pakistan? In the same way that you blindly submitted to the US demands to support them in the war on Afghanistan, similarly at the behest of Americans, you agreed to move the troops to the Western border to wage a war against your own people, weakening our positions on the Eastern border. Answering a questioning after a lecture in the US state of Arkansas, Hilary Clinton commented, ‘…So one of our first rounds of discussion with the Pakistanis was how it was not in their interest to permit terrorists to take over territory….so they began moving troops off the Indian border. They began going after the Pakistani Taliban.’ The strategic consequence of this was strengthening India as it divided our focus onto a new front, taking our attention away from our jugular vein, Kashmir. The decision at that juncture, at the behest of the US, led the armed forces into fighting within our own borders by killing our own Muslim brethren, and caused a schism within your own ranks. You lost many sincere officers in the ranks who refused to fight in the tribal areas, without mentioning the number of officers and jawans that were killed in the ensuing conflict. Furthermore, has this not resulted in factions within the armed forces, dividing it into pro-US and pro-Islam factions? And has this not been compounded by the policy of promoting those who are willing to support the pro-US policies in the region? So, armed forces that once had a vision across both borders, that had kept India and Russia at bay, is now focussed on fighting its own population, in a destructive war of Fitna. So how did you remain silent as Pakistan and the armed forces were weakened before your eyes, O Respected Gentlemen?
Is it not true that you remained silent when your leadership permitted the US to undertake drone attacks on our territory, with the clear policy of creating unrest in the tribal areas? The treachery was such that the drones were actually flying from the Shamsi air base in Baluchistan, whilst our rulers were persistently condemning them in public. The treachery was exposed when on February 13, 2009, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee stated clearly that the drones were flying from Shamsi airbase. So this indicates that Kiyani was working in collusion with the US, whilst deceiving not only the Ummah, but you all. He even asked for Predator drone attacks to be intensified. In a cable from the US Embassy in Islamabad, dated 11 February 2008, regarding the 22 January 2008 secret meeting between Admiral William J. Fallon, US CENTCOM, and Kayani, reported, “Referring to the situation in Waziristan, Kayani asked if Fallon could assist in providing continuous Predator coverage of the conflict area.” The drones flew from our soil with the consent of our leadership and with our known ability to shoot them down at will. Moreover, they sabotaged the peace agreements with the tribal leaders.
Is it not true that that you again remained silent whilst your leadership permitted the US to establish and develop its own independent intelligence network comprising of CIA agents and Blackwater mercenaries? The CIA now proudly boasts that it does not need the ISI. You cannot say that this was hidden from you, as there were numerous articles within the public domain detailing the extent to which the US contractors were not only killing and abusing our citizens, but more fundamentally, attempting to determine intelligence of our most sensitive sites and assets. If Musharraf, Kiyani and Pasha turned a blind eye to this, why did you not fulfil your oath and force them to stop it?
Is it not true that you remained silent when your leadership permitted Blackwater contractors, like Raymond Davis, to perpetrate assassinations, bombings and other activities in public places such as schools, mosques, market areas, in “false flag” attacks as they did in Iraq, Afghanistan and throughout Latin America? So each time innocent civilians were killed by these attacks, you remained silent whilst the real culprits, the US contractors were given a free hand to continue.
Is it not true that you remained silent when your leadership provided protection to the murderer, Raymond Davis, whilst in custody, and then allowed him to be released? Instead of using the issue as an opportunity to expel all US operatives, and cut all forms of cooperation with the US, he was released. The US thanked Pakistan with a drone strike the very next day, whilst Pasha thanked the US by agreeing to a further 87 visas for CIA operatives!
Is it not true that you remained silent when your leadership permitted the establishment of the largest US embassy in the world on its soil? To achieve the same in Iraq, the US had to fight a huge war and spend billions of dollars, whilst your leadership has provided this without a single bullet being fired in resistance to it. If the US has achieved all of the above devastation and violation of Pakistani sovereignty without a large diplomatic presence, whilst its embassies known throughout the world as being launch pads for American intervention, what further benefit would the largest US embassy in the world bring to Pakistan? So how can it be argued that your silence has not weakened Pakistan and the Pakistani armed forces?
Is it not true that you remained silent when your leadership permitted US control of our F16’s? It is well known that they have come with their own US personnel and electronic codes such that they cannot be used by the PAF without these codes being provided by the US. So under the guise of upgrading, your leadership has rendered the F16’s as useless to the protection of Pakistani Air Space. So how can it be argued that your silence has not weakened Pakistan and the Pakistani armed forces?
Is it not true that you remained silent when the US initiated its campaign against the ISI, because it was supposedly fighting proxy wars that the US now wishes to stop? The ISI, once capable of bringing the Russians and the Indians down to their knees, is now attacked openly by the US and forced to hand over their strategic allies to the US in order to help the Obama administration win an election. So how can it be argued that your silence has not weakened Pakistan and the Pakistani armed forces?
Everyone knows that cutting the supply line to US/NATO troops, which passes through Pakistan, will paralyze their ability to launch and maintain military operations in Afghanistan, as well as the infamous drone strikes in Pakistani territories. So, isn’t it true that your silence serves as a lifeline for the US and NATO mercenaries in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
Moreover, the US now has its own intelligence, its own personnel, both from its armed forces as well as private military contractors, access to almost all parts of the country and the use of our fighter planes if they wish. So this has effectively allowed the US complete access to undertake any operation they wish, inside or outside Pakistan, with impunity. Yet, when they did so in Abbotabad, Kayani feigned surprise! After all of this, do you not see that it is your silence which allowed the US through your leadership to weaken Pakistan and its strongest institution, the armed forces?
And is it not true that you remained silent when your government through your leadership initiated a campaign of harassment, imprisonment and torture of members of Hizb ut Tahrir. Their so-called crime was addressing the treacheries, by seeking the removal of a government that rules by kufr, rejects Islam as a system and way of life and prevents the sons of Mohammad bin Qasim from performing Jihad to liberate Kashmir, so as to enter India back to Islamic rule and unify the Ummah under one Khaleefah?
Respected Brothers in Islam,
It is only natural for the sincere to consider obstacles and the insincere to make excuses. As for those of you who will say that we are weak economically. To this we say, is it not the policies that have been implemented on us made us weak? There are many economic reports that have mentioned that the War on Terror has only weakened the Pakistani economy, to the tune of $68 billion. According to a study conducted for the Woodrow Wilson Centre, Shahid Javed Burki said, “If US civilian assistance is completely withdrawn, it will only have an impact of 0.14 percent on Pakistan’s GDP growth.” Pakistan has an immense variety of minerals and natural resources, including the world’s fifth largest reserves of copper and over one trillion dollars worth of untapped gold reserves in the Chaghi area and the Reko Diq mine. Pakistan is not short of coal and gas. Thar coal is one of the world’s largest, of about 175 billion tonnes of coal, and Pakistan has an estimated 25.1 trillion cubic feet of proven gas reserves. It has abundant fertile land; in 2005, Pakistan produced over 21 million metric tonnes of wheat, more than all of Africa (20 million) and nearly as much as all of Latin America (24 million). Pakistan is the 12th largest agricultural producer in the world with an agrarian output of $32 billion annually. Remember, O Respected Brothers in Islam, economic strength is about policy and vision and not about lack of means.
As for those of you who say that the US is militarily strong and we are weak, and that we did not have an option but to follow US dictates. For those of you who are sincere in this belief, we say the following: The Pakistan armed forces are the seventh largest in the world, and an established nuclear power, and possess advanced missile technology which is capable of neutralising the regional US military footprint. So is the US willing, let alone capable of absorbing such an assault, considering their current military overstretch, the overriding US public opinion demanding the return of US troops and their economic meltdown? During the Second Persian Gulf war, the Turkish armed forces refused to provide the US with a second front from the north. Did the US bomb them back to the Stone Age and indeed, could it? That is why on 11 March 2009, in his presentation to key Obama officials including Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael G. Mullen, Chairman of the Interagency Policy Review of Afghanistan-Pakistan for the Obama administration, Bruce O. Riedel, said they had looked at the extreme option of invading Pakistan, and, of course, immediately dismissed it. Invading a country that possessed dozens of nuclear weapons would be something beyond madness. Everyone agreed. This weakness is also evident from the fact that the US required the use of Pakistan airspace, logistics, refuelling and intelligence in order to pursue the war in Afghanistan, so how can it be said that the US is strong? And after a ten year war in Afghanistan, they require your political influence in order to secure a peace deal with the Haqqanis and the Afghan Taliban that will bail out the US and the Obama administration. Allah سبحانه وتعالى says,
إِنَّمَا ذَلِكُمْ الشَّيْطَانُ يُخَوِّفُ أَوْلِيَاءَهُ فَلاَ تَخَافُوهُمْ وَخَافُونِي إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ“It is only the Shaitan that causes you to fear from his (Shaitan’s) friends, but do not fear them, and fear Me, if you are believers.” [3:175]
As for Pakistan’s strategic location, the US ingress into Eurasia to contain China and Russia is completely dependent on Pakistan being the door to the Central Asian Republics. In addition, US control of the security and transit of energy, from the Central Asian Republics in the North, and the Middle Eastern oil coming through the straits of Hormuz in the south, is dependent on a pliant and obedient Pakistan. All it requires is a sincere leadership that would be able to use this strategic location, and its resources, to project itself well beyond its borders, in order to safeguard the interests of the Ummah, rather than the US.
As for those of you who will find this unacceptable, because this duty of establishing the Khilafah will mean a loss of the worldly interests that you have acquired through the armed forces or will acquire upon retirement. For you the presence of corrupt rulers who are responsible for the current hardships of the Ummah, the bloodshed and the destruction of Pakistan and its armed forces is worth less than the material benefits that is used as a cheap bribery to buy your allegiance. Perhaps you may fear Allah سبحانه وتعالى when you realise that no matter what you do, it is inevitable that you will enter your graves. You will have to abandon your wealth, your riches and your lush gardens, and you will have to fend for yourselves,
{كَمْ تَرَكُوا مِنْ جَنَّاتٍ وَعُيُونٍ }{ وَزُرُوعٍ وَمَقَامٍ كَرِيمٍ}{ وَنَعْمَةٍ كَانُوا فِيهَا فَاكِهِينَ }{ كَذَلِكَ وَأَوْرَثْنَاهَا قَوْمًا آخَرِينَ }{ فَمَا بَكَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ السَّمَاءُ وَالأَرْضُ وَمَا كَانُوا مُنظَرِينَ }
“How many of gardens and springs that they left behind, And green fields and goodly places, And comforts of life wherein they used to take delight! Thus (it was)! And We made other people inherit them. And the heavens and the earth wept not for them, nor were they given respite.” [Surah ad-Dukhan 44: 25-29].
Respected Brothers in Islam,
In recent years, we have warned you on many occasions with numerous leaflets, as well as press releases, all of which we are well aware you follow closely, even down to the sentences and words. More than ten years ago you ignored our warning when we through our leaflets told you that your traitorous leadership will allow the reversal of the policy on eastern and western fronts. Ten years ago you ignored our warning when we told you that your traitorous leadership will allow US field intelligence personnel to operate freely on our soil. Five years ago you did not heed our warning when we told you that your traitorous leadership had secretly permitted drone attacks whilst publically condemning them. One year ago you did not heed our warning when we told you that the US is capable of undertaking unilateral action in our cities like the Abbotabad incident.
And would you not heed our warning now, when we tell you that in near future your leadership will hand over our nuclear assets to the US? And if one day, the US initiates a unilateral action to take control of the nuclear weapons, which Kiyani has enabled them to do already, will you then again be surprised and remain silent? And will you not heed our warning that America with the assistance of Pasha and Kiyani has drowned Karachi in bloodshed to allow America’s war to be extended to Pakistan’s most populous city, creating yet another front for our armed forces?And if one day the war was extended into Multan or beyond Multan, will you be surprised and remain silent?
You have no right to remain silent as by your very tongues you took an oath to protect the country and the Muslims of this country. So are you not guilty of breaking that oath? We know, as well as you do, that there have been sincere elements from amongst you, who have realised their duty and have raised their voices against this enslaved submission to the US, and they have been arrested, tortured and released from the armed forces. They have not only fulfilled their duty but will also be free of your sin of silence on the Day of Judgement. What will you say on that day, O Respected Brothers in Islam?
Respected Brothers in Islam,
The solution is clear and that is to work with us and through us to remove these corrupt and secular rulers, to uproot this colonialist kufr system, and implement the laws of Allah سبحانه وتعالى through the establishment of the Khilafah. It is only through the Khilafah that you will unify the Ummah, establish the rights of the people, the fair distribution of wealth, return the armed forces to its essential role in the protection of the blood and honour of the Muslims and ensure the removal of the foreign hegemony from the region. This is a duty upon you and if you fulfil it the pleasure of Allah سبحانه وتعالى awaits you. But if you delay and turn away, all of the Ummah will be witness upon you on the Day of Judgement, for you strayed away from the solution to the problems of this Ummah.
We know, there are those who are clear on the truth of matters and whose hearts shake with fear knowing that they have neglected this duty. To you we say, dear brothers, we are here already amongst you, look for us and you will find us. To you, we say, depend on Allah سبحانه وتعالى and He will suffice for you. Allah سبحانه وتعالى said,
يَاأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنْ تَنصُرُوا اللَّهَ يَنصُرْكُمْ وَيُثَبِّتْ أَقْدَامَكُمْ“O you who believe! If you help Allah, He will help you and strengthen your foothold.” [Surah Muhammad 47:7]
Allah سبحانه وتعالى has promised those who believe and do good deeds that they will establish Khilafah. He سبحانه وتعالى says:
وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنْكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُم فِي الأَرْضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْتَضَى لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا يَعْبُدُونَنِي لاَ يُشْرِكُونَ بِي شَيْئًا وَمَنْ كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمْ الْفَاسِقُونَ“Allâh has promised those among you who believe and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession to (the present rulers) in the land, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practise their religion which He has chosen for them (i.e. Islâm). And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after their fear (provided) they (believers) worship Me and do not associate anything (in worship) with Me. But whoever disbelieved after this, they are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).” [Surah an-Noor 24:55]
RasulAllah سلم و عليه الله صلى said,
عِصَابَتَانِ مِنْ أُمَّتِي أَحْرَزَهُمَا اللَّهُ مِنْ النَّارِ عِصَابَةٌ تَغْزُو الْهِنْدَ وَعِصَابَةٌ تَكُونُ مَعَ عِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ عَلَيْهِمَا السَّلَام“Two groups of my ummah Allah has protected from the Hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with ‘Isa ibnu Maryam.” [Ahmad, An-Nisa’i]
Abu Hurayra رضي الله عنه narrated,
وَعَدَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ غَزْوَةَ الْهِنْدِ فَإِنْ أَدْرَكْتُهَا أُنْفِقْ فِيهَا نَفْسِي وَمَالِي فَإِنْ أُقْتَلْ كُنْتُ مِنْ أَفْضَلِ الشُّهَدَاءِ وَإِنْ أَرْجِعْ فَأَنَا أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ الْمُحَرَّرُ“The Messenger (saw) promised us the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and my wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs, and if I return then I am Abu Hurayra the freed (from sin)” [Ahmad, An-Nisa’i, Al-Hakim]
These two hadith are for you to consider and aspire for, you who grant the Nussrah to Hizb ut Tahrir for the establishment of the Khilafah, for who else will lead these noble armed forces to the conquest of India? So know that whatever sins you have earned due to your silence over these treacheries, Allah سبحانه وتعالى has also shown you the path of forgiveness.
O Allah سبحانه وتعالى be witness, for we have delivered the message.
Hizb ut Tahrir 21 October 2011 CE
Wilayah Pakistan 23 Dhul-Qa’adah 1432 AH
Filed under: Uncategorized · Tags: Article 6 of Pakistani Constitution, High Treason, Hizbut tahrir, Pakistan's armed forces








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i do love it when people do secular takfir.
its all noise really
Takfir? I am alleging high treason.
B.S and boring stuff. I do not trust these freaks who mix religion and politics. There way is not democracy but a theocracy. We have had enough of them too.
Who among the quislings of this arab religion can now excuse himself that this so-called holy book does not incite war and violence, anger and hatred, ruthlessness and glorification of violence, fascism and militarism? To call it as the word or instruction by/of god is an insult to god.
If god is all-knowing and all-powerful then he will never give (does not need to give) a book which tells humans to commit any smallest act of violence (even in the name of self-defence) or power-hunger or deceit.
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1400 years of idiocy, self-deceit, hate, anger, irrationality and misleadment should be enough. How long will it go on and how much more on damage must we see or suffer?
Hindus in India should beware of the muslims living in India. The goal of islam is the extermination of hindus, hindu memories, hindu identities, hindu existence. Liberal muslims will quickly change sides (and go over to the winners) when the muslim fascists start winning. That is how M K Gandhi’s hope was dashed by liberal muslims in Pakistan.
It is not Hizbut Tahrir be tried for treason but the so called liberals and seculars must be tried for there against the basic foundation of the country i.e.Islam.
Sardar Khan
Tu phir aap Englistan shareef mein kiya kar rahey hein? Mulk say bhagay kiyun hein?
Hizbut Tahrir is joint production of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan ISI and all the X members of Jamiat ( Student wing of Jamat Islami)are members of this terrorist group…..few proud members of HT are Ansar Abbasi,Hamid Mir, Javed Ch….
Yes i agree its high treason but our CJ will do nothing because he is impotent
@ Sardar khan please leave great Britain and go back to the back streets of Heera mandi in the so called islamic republic of Mullahstan oops i meant Pakistan
@SARDAR KHAN please go back to your own country and stop claiming benefits in ours if you want to make a change – or just shut up
quickly change sides (and go over to the winners) when the muslim fascists start winning. That is how M K Gandhi’s hope was dashed by liberal muslims in Pakistan
hiob ghandhi waas the biggest fraud and liar of 20th century.hindus were most happy during muslim rule.
hinduism iin practice is worst type of aparteism.
What Brahminism did to India?
Destroyed democracy in India
Removed equality for women
Prevented Philosophy and Science from developing.
Divided people from socializing.
Made life a misery to most of the population.
the day is not far when moolnivasis of india will throw hindus in bay of bengal.
if pakistanis want to live they have to follow the example of sirte(last stronghold of great ghaddai),
Sirte must go down in history as one of the world’s epic tales of heroism and bravery, the tremendous resistance of a handful of courageous and resolute warriors standing fast against the hordes of sheer evil, cowards cowering behind a relentless and inhuman NATO bombing campaign, strafing civilians and soldiers alike in support of terrorists.
The lesson from Sirte must go down in the annals of the collective identity of humankind as a classic and historic tale of resilience and virtue and determination, the fight to survive against the most tremendous odds – a handful of loyalists and Libyan Patriots standing fast against marauding gangs of cowards and traitors, foreign mercenaries, looters, rapists, murderers, torturers and terrorists which the TNC have revealed themselves to be throughout months of horrific human rights outrages.
The lesson from Sirte is an example in quite how low an evil invasion force – NATO – can become, for several reasons. How it can use military hardware to strafe anything that moves, how it can bomb civilian structures, how it can mow down Libyan heroes defending their homeland against foreigners and defending their homes and families against terrorists and rapists. It also shows up the connivance between NATO and Islamist terrorists (yet again visible since Afghanistan, since Kosovo, since Iraq) and it shows the callous cold-blooded disregard for human life demonstrated by a faceless and grey organization which thinks nothing of signing up desperate young men from across the Arab world, and beyond, and sending them to their deaths for a sign-on fee of 10,000 USD.
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Many remain unpaid, yet NATO thinks nothing of standing back as thousands are slaughtered by the determination of Libyan Patriots standing up for their country, resisting the invader most heroically, in the most brazen demonstration of virtue and justice seen since the Serb, Greek, French Resistance against the evil hordes of Hitler.
In Sirte, 7,119 specimens of the marauding filth NATO supports have been exterminated as the local population stands and fights to defend their homes and wives and children from NATO’s evil scourge which has carried out mass rapes, murders and tortures. Yet it is these looters, rapists, murderers, terrorists and torturers that Cameron, Hague, Sarkozy, Juppé, Clinton and Obama support.
The lesson from Sirte is today one of resilience and resistance, as it stands defiant against NATO’s indiscriminate bombing and the hundreds of rockets unleashed by the terrorists it aids. Whatever the outcome, where is the glory and the valour in imposing the rule of the mob from 30,000 feet and from a helicopter gunship?
The lesson from Sirte will continue to be taught tomorrow. You do not win a battle by destroying a city, by massacring thousands of people and by killing the defenders to unleash against it thousands of terrorists, any more than you win an election campaign by banning the most popular party.
The hearts and minds of humankind are with the people of Sirte, heroes who dare to stand up against Satan and the Satanic hordes of terrorists NATO has spawned.
The lesson from Sirte is that despite all this, Sirte is still green. The lesson from Sirte is that Sirte will always be green because the racist and terrorist filth NATO has unleashed against it does not have the moral right or the human value to change its colour from green to black, the mirror image of the soul of the TNC. The lesson from Sirte is that it is by now crystal clear where NATO stands as regards defending civilians. It is strafing them and is trying to impose a government of terrorists from the air.
The lesson from Sirte is that the NTC is nothing more than a bunch of cowards who have not won one single battle without cowering behind the massive air superiority of NATO.
Where, I ask, is the valour and chivalry and honour in that?
hiob ur fore fathers were a$$lickers and boot polishers of invaders ,so u just cannot understand these things.u belong to the race of coward nad makkar who can and lie ,cannot deliver anything.
ur awnser will be arab arab arab.this holy has provided best thinkers philosphers scientists astrologers.while hindus are masters of fraud and lie.upass ur life in eating entertainment sex and cheating.
yoga is also great hindu art of deceiving.now even naked yoga has also come where guru become totally naked and do yoga.
English Defence league says:
November 30, 2011 at 2:14 am
@SARDAR KHAN please go back to your own country and stop
DONT FORGET U PEOPLE LOOTERS AND ROBBERS BUILT UR INSTITUTIONS BY ROBBING INDIA.
@tagender
Very well said! The question of trying Pakistani leaders for treason and deceit to enslave the country, permitting the death of its citizens by Nato and the USA force will have to be addressed sooner than later.
The misuse of the word martyr in Pakistan is definitely unprecedented and misplaced. Pakistan military must be reformed to become a National army and all current political elites must learn to become a sovereign country.
Rex Minor
The only thing that is missing from this call from this group (takfir or whatever) is a call to arms against the US. ‘ Wonder if their kids are busy enjoying themselves in US / Nato countries. Have the lines outside the US Embassy/ Consulates stopped?
On one hand Pakis go grovelling on their bellies for aid/ be it duty free exports of towells and chadders (as one commentator called it) and on the other hand they want “dignity”.
Pakis need to learn on their on feet (or foot) first. They seem to be running from US to China and back to US – any crutch will do. People who always need crutches just to stand will never become independent.
At a minimum look at former East Pakistan – they seem to be doing much better than you guys
At a minimum look at former East Pakistan – they seem to be doing much better than you guys
because american zoinists and hindu brhmnst are not there.
On the contaire, the former East Pakistan has the largest hindu population outside of India
Mullah Moolah
Helluva Halva
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tajender
“now even naked yoga has also come where guru become totally naked and do yoga.”
tajender, what’s the problem with naked yoga?
Tajender shows the mental, intellectual, cultural, political and psychological degeneration, perversion and craziness which takes place when a human being starts thinking of islam as good and great and ascribes all good achievements of mankind to islam and arabs. Most muslims suffer from this disorder. Tajender claims that he is not a muslim but a dalit. He forgets (or does not know) the clear cogent arguments which Dr. B. R. Ambedkar gave against islam and decisively rejected islam and strongly refused to become a muslim. Hypocrisy cannot remain hidden.
As an old saying goes — the problem is usually not with how well-made the chicken coop is, it is often with the fox guarding it.
Confession: I made up that “old” saying!
no-communal says
yoga is ancient indian technique of deep breathing.now it has become great hindu art of deceiving.morning brisk walk is far better than this fraud which yoga teachers are doing fooling hinu diaspora,who is always ready to be fooled.watching correct dimension of a$$ h0le and pns adds addititonal spirituality to this fraud.
dr ambedkar was ready to convert to islam.most of his followers converted.brhmnst offered one evil brhmn woman to him as bribe and because of ghandhis cheatings. he converted to budhdhism a toothless religion.
Tajender shows the mental, intellectual, cultural, political and psychological degeneration, perversion and craziness which takes place
hiob bullshit lunatic centre is the only right place for u.holy arab land produced best of best in the world apart from 3 big revealed religions.
hindu produced frauds and cheaters and liars.
hiob dont talk nonsense,
even your godess of learning saraswathi is an illiterate. How come brahmins dont allow woment to study. Their gods are all violent rama who killed dalits like shambuka and the ravana. Krishna who was a master of deceit. Krishna also studied chanakya’s arthashastra and vatsyayana’s Kamasutra. He mastered them.
The brahmin gods are all symbols to destroy the oppressed. The brahmans say ‘aham brahmasmi’ which means everything belongs to me. Why should we give everything to brahmins our women, the products from the toil. The bagvad gita and upanishads are books which will put mein kampf to shame. Bagvad Gita asks the upper caste pandavas to kill their cousins the lower caste kauravas. Kancha clearly exposes the hypocrisy of the Mahabharatha.
These books like Bhagavad Gita should be banned. Even people who discovered atom bomb were influenced by bhagwad gita. All of them were jews. Einstien and Opphenhiemer were influenced by bhagvad gita. They are extremely dangerous books and they used it to kill millions of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan. The Japanese should ask compensation from the Brahmins and Jews because it is they who created the destruction of the two cities.
The brahmin manu created the manusmrithi and without any political power the brahmins ruled us. Even when muslims and the british were ruling india the brahmins were ruling us. Surely they are extremely crafty. The most cunning people on earth. They dont own lands and they dont have power all they know is some mantras and then they mesmerize people and rule them.radha was neighbours wife.
kautilya arthshastra and manu dharamshastras are 2 poisonous cocktails
eating very vital of indian society.
It’s sad to see so many groups vying to capture the state through insurrection. Pakistanis should ignore them and focus on getting politically engaged and improving the performance of democracy so that subverters such as these cannot even pretend to hope.
Firm action should be taken against HT as it’s activities within the Armed forces are not a secret. They breach the sovereignty of the state.
@ Tilsim
“Firm action should be taken against HT as it’s activities within the Armed forces are not a secret. They breach the sovereignty of the state.”
Absolutely. The cleansing process must start from within the Pakistan Armed Forces. The agents of the Taliban and Hizbut Tahreer are very much in the Army and it’s hard to imagine that the Commanders don’t know this.
@Tilsim (November 30, 2011 at 3:54 am)
True. Not only the Army, fanatics and extremist have infiltrated all components of the Government. Religious extremism as well as religious extremists will have to be checked and countered, if Pakistan is to move ahead.
Amer,
For your information,I didn’t run away from Pakistan.Istill love Pakistan and fully practice Islam in your so called kafir sharia.If you have realy studied Holy Koran,Chritians are not kafir like hindus.
tajender
There are two issues here: Hizbut Tahrir and naked yoga (both degenerated forms of the original intent). Given a choice, what would you take?
To Tilsim, Amaar and others engaged in meaningful comments, please ignore us.
@Sardar Khan (Nov 30, 2011 at 9:50 pm)
FYI, the Hindus are not without scriptures. Have you ever given this a thought or are you too drunk in your self-righteousness to even consider a point of view other than your own? If Allah is Rabbul Aalameen and if as He tells us in the Quran, He has sent Divine Guidance to all lands and people and if the Hindus are dwellers of this world and if the Hindus believe in their scriptures, then shouldn’t Hindus too, be included among the “Ahle Kitab” or People of the Book? Also wouldn’t the same principle apply to the Parsis? In fact, if my memory serves me right, under Hazrat Umar, the affairs of Zorostrians were treated as that of Ahle Kitab.
So please don’t try to pretend to be more Muslim than Sahaba.
NC,
I think naked Yogis probably titillate Tajender and, being a good Muslim, he can’t let himself be so aroused.
Tajender and Hiob,
It’s a pleasure to see your love fest. Please carry on.
to bade miyan
Equating me with tajender shows you have lost your intellectual compass.
You can humiliate me, but don’t be unjust or unfair to me. If you enjoy ridiculing me – then go ahead with that. But don’t equate me with some irrational, foaming-at-the-mouth, brahmin-hater.
hiob u are crazy crazy and crazy.arabs and muslims had universities and libararies 500 years before oxford was established.books to teach
came from muslim spain.whether in india or spain or in holy arabland all races and religions survived and lived like brothers.
when europe and india hd no concept of library ,cordoba had 250 liberaries with 1 millions.ibn sina is father of medicine.not any christian.u are muslim and islam hater.
brhmns is not hindu and hindu is not brhmn brhmn is evil group responsible for most of the pains for the people of this subcontinent
india was divided by lal pal and bal not by muslims.aim was kill as many poors as possible.
u are an evil brhmnst.paid by vested interest to write bullshit.
The Joke is supposed Sovereign Master of Universe is asking few goons to go to india and secure land for him. No doubt man made religions are meant for retards and spiritual exploration meant for all true sentient beings. Inbreding have indeed dumbed the mind to such low level that rationality is completely absent. Why does Arabic God needs Indian land and how come this Godhood have so many desires like ordinary human beings. Even a 1% working mind can see through the charade of man Muhammad talking behind the veil of Allah. The Godhood as understood, known and experienced by Indics have no such shortcomings as It is universal in essece and nature. The above mentioned quotes in the article are nothing but the product of real Asuric mind.Assigning such low qualities to Divine Supreme is 400% idiocy caused by duality.
BM:
Please don’t compare Hoib with Tajender; they are clearly different.
One is a monotonous bigot burdened with firm, fixed beliefs that are set in stone and the other is the other way around……….
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“Thy sin’s not accidental, but a trade” wrote William Shakespeare. That how their beliefs are with these two gentlemen.
For those who missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSinK-dVrig&feature=related
These Hizbut Tahriris should worry more about their own “aakhira”. I’m quite sure these mullahs have a lot to account for when they go upstairs. These people are shamelessly misquoting the holy words of our Holy Prophet (saw). Someone should tell these idiots that the Arabic word “ghazwa” does not translate as “fighting”. “Ghazwa” simply means “travel”. A travel could of course be a peaceful movement in a certain direction, but could also be a military expedition. “Ghazwa-tul-Hind” would literally mean only a journey undertaken to India. Such a journey could be a goodwill journey as well as a preaching expedition.
It’s not surprising that the trigger-happy mullahs would obviously be looking for an excuse to spill blood. The Mullah is the heir to the throne of Yazid. Incidentally, we are going through the first ten days of Muharram, the lunar month that saw the massacre of the Holy Prophet’s (saw) progeny at the hands of Yazid. It is not surprising that Yazid’s progeny, once again in the month of Muharram, is raising its head. May Allah Subhanuhu wa Ta’ala save the Ummah which is the spiritual progeny of the Holy Prophet, from the curse of the Mullah who is the spiritual progeny of Yazid the Devil, Aameen.
Allahumma salli ala Muhammadin wa ala aali Muhammadin wa barik wa sallim.
Amaar,
“In fact, if my memory serves me right, under Hazrat Umar, the affairs of Zorostrians were treated as that of Ahle Kitab.”
That was less due to an ideological drive on part of Hazrat Umar than by the prevailing conditions. The Persians were still pretty strong then.
Casual Observer,
You are right though it doesn’t lessen the fun. There is another cartoon Rex Minor who comes up with a different set of outlandish theories.
@Kashif (December 1, 2011 at 3:54)
Thank you for your post. Very pertinent points. Not all ghazwas involved actual combat, though some did. Ghazwa Hudaibiyya was the journey undertaken by the Holy Prophet (saw) for Pilgrimage. The Meccan authorities prevented him from Hajj and therefore the Prophet had to return to Madina without performing Hajj. In fact, on that occasion, the Truce of Hudaibiyya which was a peace treaty was mutually signed. So it was a peaceful Ghazwa that ended in peace. As you have rightly pointed out, the Ghazwatul Hind can simply refer to a journey to India.
@Bade Miyan (December 1, 2011 at 12:09)
Hazrat Umar was not initiating any new ideological drive as Persia had been utterly defeated. He simply was following what the Holy Prophet taught him and the Prophet practiced only what the Quran taught. The Quran uses the term “Saabi’een” for followers of religions other than those that prevailed in Arabia. Hence, one could argue that not only Zorastrians but Hindu and Sikhs too, could be brought under this heading. My point was simply this that if the Jews and Christians are “Ahle Kitab” because they believe in the Torah and the Gospel respectively, the Hindus too believe in the Vedas and the Gita and the Zoroastrians believe in the Zend Avesta. Hence, they too, by the same logic should be classified among the “Ahle Kitab”. The Quran itself clearly states that not all prophets and messengers of God have been mentioned in the Quran.
its funny that you choose to be a slave for US & Israel. instead of accepting islam solution. look what the western did to their colony ? they just sucking all the resources and leave them (resident) dying.
i dont know either you dont understand islam solution or you hate what come from islam that much. open your mind ..please
@Miraz (December 1, 2011 at 4:30 pm)
Islam is wonderful. Islam is beautiful. But the Mullah is ugly and abominable. Islam teaches love and mercy. The Mullah preaches hate and malice. Islam teaches peace. The Mullah preaches violence. This thread, in case you’ve not been able to figure this out by now, is not about the “Religion of Islam”. It’s about the power-seeking Mullah who is all out to defame Islam.
to Kashif and casual observer
Kashif wrote: “May Allah Subhanuhu wa Ta’ala save the Ummah which is the spiritual progeny of the Holy Prophet, from the curse of the Mullah who is the spiritual progeny of Yazid the Devil, Aameen.”
All this is not going to help. Old arabic mumbo-jumbo has not helped anyone. There was no holy prophet and no holy book. Human shave to use their intelligence and wisdom. All muslim leaders were and are progeny of Yazid.
to casual
Ridiculing me will not help the human beings in Pakistan free themselves from the islamic mental prison into which they have been enslaved. To equate me with tajender is impossible since he derives his views from some mullah-islam pamphlets whereas I derive my criticism of islam from what I read in pakistani muslim newspapers.
Islam’s long-term goal is the extermination of non-muslims and to impose arab ethnofascism, backwardness and hegemony upon mankind. Pakistan is following this very strictly. Some want to live under a fascism in the name of a so-called god. This evil has to be exposed.
Islam’s long-term goal is the extermination of non-muslims
from where u got these stupidities.for 1000 years mine and ur forefathers were licking their a$$ and cleaning their shoes.they never kill anybody.
bak rahan hoon junu mein kya kya main.
kutch na samjhe khuda kare koi.
Momin,
You do not have to “believe in the Vedas and the Gita” to be
Hindu, you can be inspite of not believing in them.
Momin, Amaar etc
Gentleman, Yasser raised an important matter. Given Islam’s many beauties and wonderfulnesses, that subject might be more deserving of your sharp attention than whether Hindus are Ahle Kitab or something else altogether. Recall Allah instruction to you – you and Hizbut Tahri – one or both – keep driving down the sure and clear path-al-mustaqeen, and let others go where they will.
(If it helps you put a logical closure – To put the matter at rest logically, and
Well, that should be it.
Kaalchakra
Of course. Every must be free to practise their ways however they wish and interpret however they wish without imposing their beliefs on others.