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Are Ahmadis Non-Muslims?

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

(Written exclusively for PakTeaHouse. Please give credit when crossposting)

The poison of ignorance and extremism that Bhutto and General Zia jointly fathered during their dictatorial regimes has fully indoctrinated even those who otherwise describe themselves as educated.

This week the Large Hadron Collider at the CERN inched closer to the discovery of Higgs Boson or the God Particle as it were. In this extraordinary story of human achievement,  Dr. Abdus Salam is a key player who put Pakistan on the map of theoretical physics. In his homeland though, a group of self-styled champions of Islam have started a posthumous campaign of scurrilous slander claiming that Dr. Salam was giving out nuclear secrets. Forget that even a confirmed bigot like General Zia  held a ceremony in our only nobel prize winner’s honour or that no one ever accused Dr. Salam of any such thing; in Pakistan to be a hero you have to actually transfer technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea.

Now consider the case of 11 year old Sitara Akbar. Every Pakistani and his mother in law are citing her as a crowning national achievement, blissfully oblivious of the fact that she is an Ahmadi. To them her religion is suddenly unimportant or irrelevant or is it? How many Sitara Akbars have been expelled from our schools for being Ahmadi? How many productive citizens of this republic have been killed and maimed for believing differently?

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s National Assembly imagined itself the Islamic equivalent of the Council of Nicea. Just as that ancient bastion of Christian orthodoxy excommunicated unitarian Christians for not believing in the trinity of the father, son and the holy ghost, the National Assembly saw it fit to – primarily at the instigation of the Prime Minister and his law minister- declare an entire sect non-Muslim. Just like the post hoc elevation of the principle of trinity at Nicea, Pakistan’s National Assembly located Islam in the principle of the finality of Prophethood.

This act of our sovereign legislature stood in sharp contrast to the view of this nation’s founding father. On 5 May, 1944, in response to demands of the orthodox vis a vis Ahmadis, Jinnah made it absolutely clear that anyone who professes to be a Muslim is a Muslim and welcome in the Muslim League and that those who were raising the issue were trying to divide the Muslims. Here I am forced to say that I am inclined to accept Jinnah’s view and reject the collective wisdom of our sovereign legislature. There are several reasons which may be cited in this regard:

  1. First and foremost Pakistan is bound by the United Nations’ charter. Therefore Pakistan is bound to ensure freedom of religion for all its citizens and freedom of religion means freedom of religion according to the definition of the subject of the said freedom.
  2. Identity is subjective not objective. The state of Pakistan or any other state cannot tell an Ahmadi that he is not a Muslim because it is intrinsic to the faith of an Ahmadi.  This is an inviolable, inalienable right as part of right to life which every state in the world is bound to protect. If Ahmadis say they are Muslims they ought to be accepted as such.
  3. Pakistan is a signatory to the ICCPR and without reservations since June 2011. Therefore every piece of legislation that discriminates against Ahmadis or forces a label upon them is ultra vires the ICCPR.
  4. The Islamic argument: According to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) anyone who utters the Kalima Shahadah is a Muslim. None of the Kalimas, including the Primary Kalima Shahadah contains any reference to the principle of the finality of Prophethood as understood by the Muslim majority today.
  5. Finally because by conduct and promise, Pakistani state is estopped from claiming otherwise. In 1947, Pakistan laid claim to Qadian as a Muslim holy place, a counter-blast to Sikh claims on Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal.  Similarly in 1946 elections which is the basic referendum on the question of Pakistan, Ahmadi votes were instrumental in getting Muslims Pakistan. These are undeniable facts of history.

 

Therefore- fully aware of the stigma attached to this statement- I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.

 




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3,231 Responses to "Are Ahmadis Non-Muslims?"

  1. akb Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @truth power

    Don’t try to compare or equate your phony Mirja ghulla with Prophet Muhammad……if you want then come out on the street and see how people ‘welcome’ you!
    Being ‘holy’ doesn’t mean he is a prophet….Gandhi, Jinnah, Nehru, Tagore, Joan of Ark, Bhagat singh, etc —all of them were holy but none of them said he was a prophet. Your Lahori chip calls Mirja Ghulla as a ‘Mujaddid’ or kinda saint, whereas more worse Mullah Mirjai’s of Rabwah/Qadian call him a prophet. What a paradox and a hotch potch of sewage your bloody Mirja Ghulla is!! Shame on him as well as you!

    Mirja Ghulla
    Dee maan da L^^^a!

  2. akb Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    here is the meaning of Insurgent,,,,,freedom fighter are also called ‘insurgents’…
    .
    Noun 1. insurgent – a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions)insurgent – a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions)
    freedom fighter, insurrectionist, rebel
    mutineer – someone who is openly rebellious and refuses to obey authorities (especially seamen or soldiers)
    crusader, meliorist, reformer, reformist, social reformer – a disputant who advocates reform
    revolutionary, revolutionist, subversive, subverter – a radical supporter of political or social revolution
    Young Turk – a member of one or more of the insurgent groups in Turkey in the late 19th century who rebelled against the absolutism of Ottoman rule
    .
    insurgent [ɪnˈsɜːdʒənt]
    adj
    rebellious or in revolt, as against a government in power or the civil authorities
    n
    1. a person who takes part in an uprising or rebellion; insurrectionist
    2. (Law) International law a person or group that rises in revolt against an established government or authority but whose conduct does not amount to belligerency
    [from Latin insurgēns rising upon or against, from insurgere to rise up, from surgere to rise]
    insurgency
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/insurgent
    .
    NB: Because the Mirjai’s too rebel against the laws of the land they too are INSURGENTS according to the definition of the word.

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  5. Hyde United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Ahmadis aside, calling Zia a bigot is fruitless. I may personally believe that ahmadis are not muslims, but as secular constitution of Pakistan allows people to claim whatever religion they are, so I guess they are muslims.

  6. realityhurts United Kingdom Google Chrome Windows says:

    If we consider TTP as enemy of the state( & rightly so ) because they dont accept Pakistani constitution and law , then why have different standard for others… why we forget that Ahmadi/qadiyani were first to declared us as kafir …we just respond….you are my kafir and i am yours..

    remember zafirullah reject to offered “Janaza” of Jannah by calling him Kafir

  7. akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Hyde

    Your comment about Mirjai heretics and apostates smacks of hypocrisy.
    A cockraoch doesn’t become a butterfly with the change of environment or horticulture process nor does a black sheep become white by painting it with lime.

  8. akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    EX-AHMADI WOMAN (FAUZIA FAIZI) BLASTING AGAINST AHMADIYA CULT..

    .
    WATCH ON YOUTUBE, HERE!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZ5hO9C5Bo

  9. Shabnam United States Google Chrome Mac OS says:

    Any one says he or she is Muslim is a MUslim.
    I do not have the right to dispute it.
    If you are a believer you have to leave it to God.
    Please do not judge others see who you are and what do you do as good kind humane beings.

  10. akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @shabnam

    If you say was true then you surely believe in ‘taqqayya’?

    Deeds speak louder than words, Saying is not the same as doing,
    .
    Read this eye opener…and decide whether Mirjai;s could be called Muslims at all!
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    Just examine Mirza’s writings in order to make an objective assessment.
    (Translated from his original Urdu)
    ‘We curse anyone making a claim of prophethood.(Advertisement dated 20 Sha’ban, 1314 AH) But soon he is found claiming:In the Word of God I have been named Muhammad and a Messenger. (RoohaniKhazain 18/207) I am Adam, I am Noah, I am David, I am Messiah son of Mary, I am Muhammad.(Roohani Khazain 22/521) I am Rama, I am Buddha and I am Krishna. I am the ‘promised one’ of all religions. (Ref same) [Zahooruddin Akmal, a disciple, hurls this insult:Muhammad has descended among us again,And in his glory he is loftier than before!]
    ‘Aayil’ came to me. God gave Jibrael (Gabriel) the name of Aayil because he returns to me time and again. (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi pg 103) [Aayil from “aaya” is a derivative of “Coming” in Urdu] God gave me the tidings that I would live up to be 80 years or longer.
    (Muwahib-ur-Rahman)[But Mirza died in 1908 when he would be 68-73] It is absurd that a person should receive inspiration from God in a language different from his own! (Chashma-e-Ma’rifat pg 209)
    And then, quite an opposite verdict:
    It is strange that some of the inspiration I receive is in languages quite
    unknown to me, for example, English or Sanskrit or Hebrew, etc.
    On 5 March 1905 I saw an angel. When asked, he said his name was Tichi Tichi!
    (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi pg 332) [A smile would be in order here!]
    It is written in Bukhari that a voice from the sky will announce (for Ghulam Ahmed), “This is the Khalifa of Allah, Mahdi!” Just think about it. How glorious this Hadith is! (Shahadatul Quran pg 41) [Turn page after page of all volumes of Bukhari, and you will not find this quotation anywhere!]
    Look up history and it tells you that (Prophet Muhammad) was the same
    orphan whose father had died a few days after his birth. (Paigham-e-Sulh pg 9) [It is common knowledge that the exalted Prophet's father Abdullah had died before his birth!] Treat this self-grown plant with special kindness and favor. (Mirza Ghulam’s letter to the British Lieutenant Governor, 24 February 1898)[The request in this letter should be viewed in the context of W.W. Hunter’s and Nawab Chhatari’s revelations.]

    .
    Mirja said he was a woman with balls!!how funny!
    The state of divination overtook Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, such that he was a woman, and Allah expressly used His power of manhood. This is enough said for those who have discernment. (“Islami Qurbani” Tract Number 34, Qazi Yar Muhammad Qadiani) [The author of “Suboot Hazir Hain”, M. Mateen Khalid, comments that in the entire history of mankind, not a single individual besides Mirza has ascribed this abomination to God. But there is more to it.]
    Baboo Elahi Bakhsh wants to see my menstruation but Allah says you have no menstruation. There is that baby in you. (Annexure to Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, pg 581)[That baby refers to Jesus Christ]
    The spirit of Jesus was infused in me like it was infused in Mary and
    allegorically I was rendered pregnant. Not more than ten months had passed when I was made Jesus from Mary. That is how I became Jesus, son of Mary.(Kashti-Nooh pg 47) [Try to make sense of it.]
    Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud, the son of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, who became the second “caliph”, writes in Al-Fazl on 5 January 1933:
    About the revelation to the Promised Messiah (Ghulam Ahmed) that he would die in either Makkah or Madina, we would say that both are the names of Qadian.[The problem here is that the Mirza Saheb met his end neither in Makkah,Madina nor in Qadian, but in the Ahmadiya Building in Lahore! The contemporary critics confidently assert that he fell dead in the lavatory. Eye witnesses, the medical certificate and Mirza’s biographies do describe his last illness as severe diarrhea or cholera.]
    .
    Allah prays, fasts, awakens, and sleeps (Al-Bushra 2/79)
    I am myself God. (Aina Kamalat-e-Islam pg 564)
    Three gems from a poet disciple of Mirza:
    If anyone wishes to see Muhammad
    One should see Ghulam Ahmed in Qadian
    Muhammad has descended among us again
    And loftier is he in his glory!

  11. akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ shabnam

    ,,,,

    ”Please do not judge others see who you are and what do you do as good kind humane beings.”

    .
    Ridiculous! what you say equally applies to non muslims as well as atheists. Here we are concerned about Mirjai’s and they are patently Kafirs, non muslims, murteds, munafiqs, zindeeqs….you can assess Mirjaism from the words of Mirja himself and some are posted above for your kind perusal.

  12. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Mirjai Apostates should know…..

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    The crime of criticizing a religion is not always called blasphemy; sometimes it is categorized as hate speech (even when it falls well below any sensible standard of actually inciting hatred or violence) because it supposedly insults the followers of a religion. These crimes—of expressing ‘blasphemy’ or offending religious feelings—are still a crime in 55 countries, can mean prison in 39 of those countries, and are punishable by death in six countries. In addition, most of the twelve countries which punish apostasy with death also sometimes treat ‘blasphemy’ as evidence of apostasy.

    And from the IHEU summary:

    In line with their words, several possibly unexpected nations come out rather badly on the scale of five classifications — which range upward in severity from “Free and Equal”, through “Mostly Satisfactory”, “Systemic Discrimination”, “Severe Discrimination”, to “Grave Violations”.

    Four western countries are rated “Severe” because they can jail people for breaking laws prohibiting ‘blasphemy’ and other free speech on religion.

    Those countries are Iceland (a sentence of jail for up to 3 months), Denmark (up to 4 months), New Zealand (up to a year), Poland (up to two years), Germany (up to three years) and Greece (up to three years). Jail time could be handed to someone who simply “blasphemes God” in the case of Greece, or “insults the content of other’s religious faith” in the case of Germany.

  13. sta Pakistan Safari iPhone says:

    @akb (November 10, 2013 at 3:09 am)

    EX-AHMADI WOMAN (FAUZIA FAIZI) BLASTING AGAINST AHMADIYA

    Did it ever occur to you that, in all likelihood, an ex-Muslim will always blast Islam, an ex-Christian will always blast Christianity and an ex-anything will always blast anything? So, what’s new?
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    @Shabnam (November 16, 2013 at 1:43 am)

    Any one says he or she is Muslim is a Muslim

    This is precisely what the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad said. When the first census of Madina was being conducted, some Muslims asked the Holy Prophet, who they should count among the Muslims. The Prophet replied: Write down for me, the names of all those who call themselves Muslims. [Bukhari]
    .
    The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan, is therefore, a deviation from the words of the Holy Prophet sallallaho alaihi wa sallam.

  14. p United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    @Hyde (Oct 24, ’13 at 8:56 pm)

    Ahmadis aside, calling Zia a bigot is fruitless. I may personally believe that ahmadis are not muslims, but as secular constitution of Pakistan allows people to claim whatever religion they are, so I guess they are muslims.

    You blasphemous bigot! How dare you call the Islamic Constitution of Pakistan “Secular”? Shame on you!! Pakistan is an Islamic Republic and its constitution is an Islamic Constitution, not a secular one. And the historic Second Amendment of the Islamic Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is no ordinary amendment. It’s an inspired amendment – the only one of its kind. According to this “inspired constitutional amendment”, Ahmadis are not Muslims for the purposes of constitution or law. And this is the biggest problem with Pakistanis. They mix up definitions. Pakistan needs a visionary leader like Hazrat Maulana Syed Munawwar Hassan (Amir Jamaat -i-Islami), who recently pointed out to the ignorant people of Pakistan:
    “all Pakistan Army personnel killed while fighting against the Holy Taliban are MAQTOOLS and not “Shaheeds”, while all Taliban who lost their lives while fighting against the Pakistan Army are SHAHEEDS.” [Syed Munawwar Hassan]
    Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi(Founder of Jamaat-i-Islami and Mentor of Hazrat Maulana Munawwar Hassan) had foreseen all these problems coming. This is why Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi issued the following fatwas before hand:
    1. “The establishment and birth of Pakistan is equivalent to the birth of a beast.” [Tarjumanul Quran vol.31, p.59, 1948 Pakistan]

    According to the words of Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi, the beast has to be tamed and the Holy Taliban are doing just that, with the help of Islamic Improvised Explosive Devices.

    2. “Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s place is not on the throne of leadership. He deserves to face trial as a traitor.” [Tarjumanul Quran vol.31,p.62, 1948]

    Hence, the Parliament and Supreme Court of Pakistan should now hold a posthumous trial against Jinnah and try him for treason.

    3. “It is haraam to vote for the Muslim League.” [Tarjumanul Quran vol.27, p.145, 1946, Pathankot]

    This proves that everyone who has ever voted for the Muslim League is a certified harami.

    4. “The Muslim League is an unrighteous and immoral party that has made our collective environment filthier than the lavatory.” [Jamaat Islami ki intikhabi jidd-o jehd, p.16]

    PMLN, PMLQ and PMLC are all lavatories.

    5. “The Mohajirs are deserters and cowards, who fought a national battle, but when the time came to pay the price, they took the path of escape.” [Nawa-e waqt, 29 Aug 1948]

    MQM members are all deserters and cowards.

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    @Shabnam (November 16, 2013 at 1:43 am)

    Any one says he or she is Muslim is a MUslim.

    No! It is the exclusive job of the Islamic Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to judge anyone a Muslim or non-Muslim. And in 1974, the Islamic Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, through an inspired amendment in the Islamic Constitution, declared Ahmadis as non-Muslims.

  15. parliament certified muslim United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    It was me in the previous comment… I was so angry that I forgot to add my position correctly.

  16. parliament certified muslim United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    CORRECTED POST
    @Hyde (Oct 24, ’13 at 8:56 pm)

    Ahmadis aside, calling Zia a bigot is fruitless. I may personally believe that ahmadis are not muslims, but as secular constitution of Pakistan allows people to claim whatever religion they are, so I guess they are muslims.

    You blasphemous bigot!!! How dare you call the Islamic Constitution of Pakistan “Secular”? Shame on you!!! Pakistan is an Islamic Republic and its constitution is an Islamic Constitution, not a secular one. And the historic Second Amendment of the Islamic Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is no ordinary amendment. It’s an inspired amendment – the only one of its kind. According to this “inspired constitutional amendment”, Ahmadis are not Muslims for the purposes of constitution or law. And this is the biggest problem with Pakistanis. They mix up definitions. Pakistan needs a visionary leader like Hazrat Maulana Syed Munawwar Hassan (Amir Jamaat -i-Islami), who recently pointed out to the ignorant people of Pakistan:
    “all Pakistan Army personnel killed while fighting against the Holy Taliban are MAQTOOLS and not “Shaheeds”, while all Taliban who lost their lives while fighting against the Pakistan Army are SHAHEEDS.” [Maulana Syed Munawwar Hassan]
    Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi(Founder of Jamaat-i-Islami and Mentor of Hazrat Maulana Munawwar Hassan) had foreseen all these problems coming. This is why Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi issued the following fatwas before hand:
    1. “The establishment and birth of Pakistan is equivalent to the birth of a beast.” [Tarjumanul Quran vol.31, p.59, 1948 Pakistan]

    According to these words of Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi, the “beast” has to be tamed. And the Holy Taliban are doing just that, with the help of Islamically Improvised Explosive Devices.

    2. “Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s place is not on the throne of leadership. He deserves to face trial as a traitor.” [Tarjumanul Quran vol.31,p.62, 1948]

    Hence, the Parliament and Supreme Court of Pakistan should now hold a posthumous trial against Jinnah and try him for treason.

    3. “It is haraam to vote for the Muslim League.” [Tarjumanul Quran vol.27, p.145, 1946, Pathankot]

    This proves that everyone who has ever voted for the Muslim League is a certified “harami”.

    4. “The Muslim League is an unrighteous and immoral party that has made our collective environment filthier than the lavatory.” [Jamaat Islami ki intikhabi jidd-o jehd, p.16]

    Therefore, all forms of Muslim Leagues ( AIML and PMLN, etc) are all filthier than lavatories.

    5. “The Mohajirs are deserters and cowards, who fought a national battle, but when the time came to pay the price, they took the path of escape.” [Nawa-e waqt, 29 Aug 1948]

    In light of these words of Maulana Maudoodi, all MQM members are “deserters” and “cowards”.

    .

    @Shabnam (November 16, 2013 at 1:43 am)

    Any one says he or she is Muslim is a MUslim.

    Wrong. It is the exclusive job of the Islamic Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to judge anyone a Muslim or non-Muslim. And in 1974, the Islamic Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, through an inspired amendment in the Islamic Constitution, declared Ahmadis as non-Muslims. Thus, it was in 1974, almost 1400 years after the advent of Islam, that “Islam” finally got defined. For 1400 years, the terms “Islam” and “Muslim” had no clear definitions, and Islam was like an orphan. The credit for this greatest-ever service to Islam goes to the Islamic Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. This historic feat could however, not have been performed without the political genius of Hazrat Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto Shaheed and the blessed dollars that descended on that occasion, in return for this service, from the exalted treasures of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, pouring abundantly, into the humble coffers of the Government of Pakistan.

    Parliament-Certified Muslim

  17. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @sta
    Your reply to Shabnam regarding who is or isn’t a Muslim.
    That tradition may be correct but you did not mention the perspective of that Hadith, why?? It seems it relates to a different situation such as WAR ….or non Muslim Prisoners, who might have feigned as Muslims to escape Islamic punishment…phew!a straight cut on the throat of a deviate or a traitor…!
    A Muslim his known by his word and deeds. If they do not conform he is a hypocrite and if he blatantly does what Islam forbids he definitely is not a Muslim. ,A thief will always say he’s innocent …..but after a good ‘treatment’ and ‘evidence’ against him he would be condemned as a criminal. Why do you think criminals are as good as good citizens??
    An apostate is not a follower of his religion, whatever it may be and Mirjai kafirs are one of them.

    RE defect in constitutional amendment….Mirjai’s and Talibans have the same view againstit, nay the whole of the Constitution, state laws and supreme judiciary. Both of them are thus TERRORISTS, ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN AND MUSLIMS!! To hell with them and you!

  18. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @parliament certified muslim

    You made me laugh, silly man! Bhutto was not Hazrat…we don’t need Hadrats, one blasphemous Mirja Gulla of Qadian should be enough.
    .
    You talk nonsense,…speak in terms of DEMOCRACY! mirjai;s are bloody apostates and they have already failed to justify themselves like Taliban. Both ought to be sent to hell for betraying their country!

  19. parliament certified muslim United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    @AKB

    Bhutto was not Hazrat…

    Shame on you for saying that Hazrat Bhutto Shaheed was not a “Hazrat”. I, the Parliament-Certified Muslim as per the inspired Second Amendment> of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, also known as the Tihattar ka Aain, on account of your blasphemy, pronounce you, AKB, a “kafir”, “zindeeq” and “murtad”, in this life and the next. You will go to hell. Hazrat Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto Shaheed was definitely a “Hazrat”, and so was Hazrat Gen. Ziaul Haq Shaheed. Hazrat Bhutto has to his credit the great feat of finally defining the term “Muslim”. You will not understand this because you are a moron. But we, the prudent Parliament-certified Muslims of Pakistan, fully appreciate the value of this service of Bhutto Shaheed. Before Hazrat Bhutto, nobody knew the definition of terms such as Islam and Muslim – not even the Ulama. In 1953, when Justice Munir asked the leading Ulama of Pakistan to define “Muslim”, they all came up with diverse and divergent definitions. Poor old Munir got further confused. Then enters our hero Hazrat Bhutto Shaheed. Lo and behold! “Muslim” is finally defined after almost 1400 years.

    Then came Hazrat Ziaul Haq – his disagreement with Bhutto notwithstanding. Upon discovering that the pious Afghan Muslims were famine struck and had no alternative means of income, Hazrat Gen Zia swiftly made secret arrangements for the export of Afghan poppy-products (heroin and hashish) via Pakistan to the rest of the Kafir world, thus helping his Muslim brethren. Hazrat Gen Zia was a true disciple of Hazrat Maulana Maudoodi (Founder of Jamaat-i-Islami) and a spiritual brother to Hazrat Maulana Munawwar Hassan (Current Amir of Jamaat-i-Islami). Just as Hazrat Bhutto Shaheed helped us all in understanding the true meaning of Muslim, by means of great second Fatwa also known as the Second Amendment, so has Hazrat Munawwar Hassan helped us all in correctly understanding the ambiguous term Shaheed. According to the latest fatwa issued by Hazrat Maulana Munawwar Hassan (Amir Jamaat-i-Islami), in relation to the recent Pakistan Army vs Taliban Army War:
    .
    FATWA : . . . All 5000 Pakistan Army men killed while fighting against the Taliban Army are merely “Maqtools” and by no means “Shaheeds”, whereas each and every single man of the Taliban Army killed while fighting against the Pakistan Army is a certified “Shaheed”.
    .
    In light of this inspirational fatwa, all Pakistanis must now use expressions such as Anjahani Gen. Sanaullah and Shaheed Hakeemullah Mehsud.

  20. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @parliament certified muslim

    Hundred thousand times shame on you for calling Bhutto a Hadrat eventhough you admit he was more than that. Hadrat can only stand for Mirja Ghulla a Rasgulla of Qadian,,,,,,
    Who is Qatil and who’s Maqtool….decide it the Mongolian way and all well end up well!
    Go and wash your face in the Boodhi Ganga, you damn Mirjai lout!

  21. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @parliament certified muslim

    Hundred thousand times shame on you for calling Bhutto a Hadrat eventhough you admit he was more than that. Hadrat can only stand for Mirja Ghulla a Rasgulla of Qadian,,,,,,
    Who is Qatil and who’s Maqtool….decide it the Mongolian way and all will end up well!
    Go and wash your face in the Boodhi Ganga, you damn Mirjai lout!

  22. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @parliament certified muslim

    Don’t try to play turtle. Fatwa’s are just opinions not endorsed by the state,only foolish guys like you take them to heart.
    As far as Mirjai apostates are concerned the Fatwa against them is purely democratic, lawful and constitutional. Flaunting state ‘fatwa’ and general consensus of the Ummah should be accepted with open heart. If i were a Mirjai (God forbid) I would certainly have accepted the ‘fatwa’ and hailed my separate identity but Mirjai’s are mirjai’s….they are like Taliban…as adamant as pigs, hard to appease.

  23. sta Pakistan Safari iPhone says:

    @parliament certified muslim (December 25, 2013 at 9:21 pm)

    According to the latest fatwa issued by Hazrat Maulana Munawwar Hassan (Amir Jamaat-i-Islami), in relation to the recent Pakistan Army vs Taliban Army War:
    .
    FATWA : . . . All 5000 Pakistan Army men killed while fighting against the Taliban Army are merely “Maqtools” and by no means “Shaheeds”, whereas each and every single man of the Taliban Army killed while fighting against the Pakistan Army is a certified “Shaheed”.
    .
    In light of this inspirational fatwa, all Pakistanis must now use expressions such as Anjahani Gen. Sanaullah and Shaheed Hakeemullah Mehsud.

    .
    So this is the latest fatwa?

  24. Zeeshan Sweden Google Chrome Mac OS says:

    Hamdani himself seems to be Quadyani..

  25. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    QADIANIS ARE ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN AND ISLAM…
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    ,,,,,,,,,,, it appears necessary to say, if the general law applied so far, gives everyone a right to the use of any word, name, and epithet etc., or, do there exist any recognized restrictions already? It will be appreciated that some of the epithets, descriptions and titles etc., as given in Section 298B have been used by Quran for specific personages (See 33; 32, 33:54 and 9: 100) while others undoubtedly and rather admittedly being used by the Muslims, for those mentioned there, exclusively for last about 1400 years. These epithets carry special meaning, are part of the Muslim belief and used for reverence. Any person using them for others, in the same manner, may be conveying impression to others that they are concerned with Islam when the fact may be otherwise.

    It is to be noted that it is not only in Pakistan but throughout the world, that laws protect the use of words and phrases which have special connotations or meaning and which if used for other may amount to deceiving or misleading the people. The English Company Law lays down that a name must not be misleading or suggest a connection with the Crown, a Government Department, or a municipality, and only in exceptional circumstances will names be allowed which include “Imperial”, “Commonwealth”, “National”, or “International”. The use of word’s “Cooperative” and “Building Society” is also forbidden. The most important is the rule that the name will be refused registration if it is too like the name of an existing company. These provisions have been strictly applied and were never challenged in a Court of law or the Parliament.

    Section 20 of the Indian Company Law also lays down that no company shall be registered by a name which, in the opinion of the Central Government, is undesirable and that a name which is identical with, or too nearly resembles, the name by which a company in existence has been previously registered, will be deemed to be undesirable by the Central Government. The Indian Constitution has similar Fundamental Rights as ours but we have not seen a single decision of any court there, declaring the restrictions violative of these rights.

    A law for protection of trade and merchandise marks exists, practically, in every legal system of the world to protect the trade names and marks etc. with the result that no registered trade name or mark of one firm or company can be used by any other cancers and a violation thereof, not only entitles the owner of the trade name or mark to receive damages from the violator but it is a criminal offense also.

    Here we may refer to English Law. It was held in J. Bollinger v. Costa Brava Wine Company Ltd. {1959} 3 W.L.R. 966] that “An injunction could be obtained to restrain the defendant from continuing a practice that was calculated to deceive, although there was no proof of an intent to deceive”.

    The Chapter X of the Trade and Merchandise Mars Act, 1958, of India provides penalties for falsifying and falsely applying trade marks or for applying false trade marks, trade descriptions, etc., or for selling goods to which a false trademark or false description is applied.

    The Chapter VXIII of the Indian and Pakistan Penal Codes, contains offenses relating to documents and to trade and property marks. Section 481 says “Whoever, marks any moveable property or goods or any, package or other receptacle containing movable property or goods, or uses any case, package or other receptacle having any trade mark thereon, in a manner reasonably calculated to cause it to be believed that the property or goods so marked or any property or goods contained in any receptacle so marked, belong to a person to whom they do not belong is said to use a false property mark. The offense is a fraud and is punishable with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine or with both.

    Laws similar to above have been in force in Pakistan, and no one challenged them on any ground. We may here refer to section 69 of the Trade Marks Act, 1940, which was applicable to the subcontinent of India. The amended section as now applicable in Pakistan is as under:

    “69. Restraint of use of Royal Arms and State emblems: If a person, without due authority, uses in connection with any trade, business, calling or profession –

    (a) the Royal Arms or Government Arms (or arms to closely resembling the same as to be calculated to deceive) in such manner as to be calculated to lead to the belief that he is duly authorized so to use the Royal Arms or Government Arms, or

    (b) name, title and semblance of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah and any variations thereof or any device, emblem or title in such manner as to be calculated to lead to the belief that he is employed by, or supplies goods to, or is connected with, His Majesty’s Government or the Federal Government or any Provincial Government or any department of any such Government, or

    (c) the emblem, the official seal and the name or any abbreviation of the name of the United Nations or any subsidiary body set up by the United Nations or of the World Health Organization in such manner as is to be calculated to lead to the belief that he is duly authorized by the Secretary-General in the case of the United Nations or by the Director-General of the World Health Organization in the case of that Organization to use that emblem, seal or name,he may, at the suit of any person who is authorized to use such Arms or such device, emblem or title or of the Registrar, be restrained by injunction from continuing so to use the same.

    Provided that nothing in this section shall be construed as affecting the right, if any, of the proprietor of a trademark containing any such Arms, device, emblem or title to continue to sue such trade mark.”

    It is thus clear that intentionally using trade names, trade marks, property marks or descriptions of others in order to make believe others that they belong to the user thereof amounts to an offense and not only the perpetrator can be imprisoned and fined but damages can be recovered and injunction to restrain him issued. This is true of goods of even very small value. For example, the Coca Cola Company will not permit anyone to sell, even a few ounces of his own product in his own bottles or other receptacles, marked Coca Cola, even though its price may be a few cents. Further, it is a criminal offense carrying sentences of imprisonment and also fine. The principles involved are: do not deceive and do not violate the property rights of others.

    Generally speaking, the people who are deceiving others with falsified names are being discouraged, even though the loss may be in terms of pennies. In our case, a law has been made to protect even the title an of Quaid-e-Azam, without any challenge from any quarter. However, in this Ideological State, the appellants, who are non-Muslims want to pass off their faith as Islam? It must be appreciated that in this part of the world, faith is still the most precious thing to a Muslim believer, and he will not tolerate a government which is not prepared to save him of such deceptions or forgeries.

    The appellants, on the other hand, insist not only for a license to pass off their faith as Islam but they also want to attach the exclusive epithets and descriptions etc., of the very revered Muslim personages to those heretic non-Muslims, who are considered not even a patch on them. In fact the Muslim treat it as defiling and desecration of those personages. Thus, the insistence on the part of the appellants and their community to use the prohibited epithets and the ‘Shaa’ire Islam leave no manner of doubt, even to a common man, that the appellants want to do so intentionally and it may, in that case amount to not only defiling those pious personages but deceiving others. And, if a religious community insists on deception as its fundamental right and wants assistance of courts in doing the same, then God help it. It has been held by the United States Supreme Court in Cantwell vs. Connecticut (310 U – S – 296 at 306) that “the cloak of religion or religious belief does not protect anybody in committing fraud upon the public”.
    Read full arguments at………
    http://irshad.org/exposed/legal/pkcort93.php

  26. Hisham Talibani United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Qadianis are “Zindeeq” and according to Islamic Sharia the Zindeeq are liable to be put to death en masse. The writer seems to be a Qadiani himself and if it so then we give him the assurance that we will hunt you down everywhere and would expose your dirty beliefs and shenanigans against Islam and Muslims. Crush the Qadianis! It is the order of the day.

  27. Majumdar India Google Chrome Windows says:

    Hisham Talibani United StatesGoogle ChromeWindows says:
    January 31, 2014 at 10:33 am

    This is serious hate speech- the poster is openly inciting violence. Moderators, kindly refer this to authorities.

    Regards

  28. YLH United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Hisham Talibani,

    My response reads thusly: FUCK YOU.

  29. sta Pakistan Safari iPhone says:

    @Parliament-Certified Muslim (December 25, 2013 at 9:21 pm)
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    Actually, there are two aspects to the fatwa issued by the Ameer of Jamaat-i-Islami Maulana Munawwar Hassan:
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    1. All Pakistan Army soldiers killed fighting against the Taliban are merely “Maqtools” and “not Shaheeds”.
    2. All Talban killed fighting against the Pakistan Army, indeed Pakistan itself, are definitely “Shaheeds”.
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    It is least surprising that this should be what the worthy Ameer of Jamaat-i-Islami decrees. After all, his is a party that opposed Pakistan and the Quaid-e-Azam tooth and nail. Concurrently, and dare I say interestingly, there also happens to be another remarkable statement, issued by another esteemed religious scholar of Pakistan, Maulana Fazlur Rehman of Jamiat Ulama Islam. He declared with no less audacity that if even a dog got killed by the Americans in this on-going war against terrorism, that dog would be a “Shaheed”.
    .
    If one studies these two “fatwas”, issued recently by Pakistan’s two most learned scholars, Maulana Munawwar Hassan and Maulana Fazlur Rehman, in conjunction, the conclusion you arrive at is that while a dog killed by the Americans may be a “Shaheed”, a Pakistan Army soldier killed in defence of his homeland by the Taliban “can not be termed a Shaheed”.
    .
    Five thousand valiant and patriotic men lay down their lives fighting for their homeland, and this is what the country’s top maulanas have to say!

  30. hafiz munsif Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    a.a

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