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Are Ahmadis Non-Muslims?
By Yasser Latif Hamdani
(Written exclusively for PakTeaHouse. Please give credit when crossposting)
The poison of ignorance and extremism that Bhutto and General Zia jointly fathered during their dictatorial regimes has fully indoctrinated even those who otherwise describe themselves as educated.
This week the Large Hadron Collider at the CERN inched closer to the discovery of Higgs Boson or the God Particle as it were. In this extraordinary story of human achievement, Dr. Abdus Salam is a key player who put Pakistan on the map of theoretical physics. In his homeland though, a group of self-styled champions of Islam have started a posthumous campaign of scurrilous slander claiming that Dr. Salam was giving out nuclear secrets. Forget that even a confirmed bigot like General Zia held a ceremony in our only nobel prize winner’s honour or that no one ever accused Dr. Salam of any such thing; in Pakistan to be a hero you have to actually transfer technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea.
Now consider the case of 11 year old Sitara Akbar. Every Pakistani and his mother in law are citing her as a crowning national achievement, blissfully oblivious of the fact that she is an Ahmadi. To them her religion is suddenly unimportant or irrelevant or is it? How many Sitara Akbars have been expelled from our schools for being Ahmadi? How many productive citizens of this republic have been killed and maimed for believing differently?
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s National Assembly imagined itself the Islamic equivalent of the Council of Nicea. Just as that ancient bastion of Christian orthodoxy excommunicated unitarian Christians for not believing in the trinity of the father, son and the holy ghost, the National Assembly saw it fit to – primarily at the instigation of the Prime Minister and his law minister- declare an entire sect non-Muslim. Just like the post hoc elevation of the principle of trinity at Nicea, Pakistan’s National Assembly located Islam in the principle of the finality of Prophethood.
This act of our sovereign legislature stood in sharp contrast to the view of this nation’s founding father. On 5 May, 1944, in response to demands of the orthodox vis a vis Ahmadis, Jinnah made it absolutely clear that anyone who professes to be a Muslim is a Muslim and welcome in the Muslim League and that those who were raising the issue were trying to divide the Muslims. Here I am forced to say that I am inclined to accept Jinnah’s view and reject the collective wisdom of our sovereign legislature. There are several reasons which may be cited in this regard:
- First and foremost Pakistan is bound by the United Nations’ charter. Therefore Pakistan is bound to ensure freedom of religion for all its citizens and freedom of religion means freedom of religion according to the definition of the subject of the said freedom.
- Identity is subjective not objective. The state of Pakistan or any other state cannot tell an Ahmadi that he is not a Muslim because it is intrinsic to the faith of an Ahmadi. This is an inviolable, inalienable right as part of right to life which every state in the world is bound to protect. If Ahmadis say they are Muslims they ought to be accepted as such.
- Pakistan is a signatory to the ICCPR and without reservations since June 2011. Therefore every piece of legislation that discriminates against Ahmadis or forces a label upon them is ultra vires the ICCPR.
- The Islamic argument: According to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) anyone who utters the Kalima Shahadah is a Muslim. None of the Kalimas, including the Primary Kalima Shahadah contains any reference to the principle of the finality of Prophethood as understood by the Muslim majority today.
- Finally because by conduct and promise, Pakistani state is estopped from claiming otherwise. In 1947, Pakistan laid claim to Qadian as a Muslim holy place, a counter-blast to Sikh claims on Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal. Similarly in 1946 elections which is the basic referendum on the question of Pakistan, Ahmadi votes were instrumental in getting Muslims Pakistan. These are undeniable facts of history.
Therefore- fully aware of the stigma attached to this statement- I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.
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Raj,
What brave thing have you done by coming here and abusing incognito? I bet you are one of the refugees who is not letting go of his hatred. That is why you have lost your wife to Paltu mian and now you are wasting your time on Internet.
Btw, my gf was considerably amused by your antics. She thinks you are overgrown peter pan. And please don’t circulate that story about your exotic or some old fart like that. Desi guys are notorious for their bad odor. Take a shower and I am sure your wife will forgive you.
Bade Miyan,
I guess I hit a home run with you!
GF my ass! Last time you were telling me about you having a wife which needed a Vidhwa Ashram. Now you are telling about having girlfriends. Now don’t come and tell me you got both! You ain’t that Naughty!
So why were you showing my comments about getting 24 Pakis to bed your wife to your “girlfriend”? Eh? You wanted to make her horny or what at the prospect? Or are you a real pervert to be sharing these things with your “girlfriend”!
A Paki pussy like you now wants to brag he has a girlfriend! I don’t need to tell anybody about my exploits or to impress somebody! I know how much fun I have had as a bachelor and I know how much fun I’ve been having in my married life!
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But you are just a Paki Pussy! So why don’t you go and arrange for those 24 Pakis for your wife, eh girlfriend, eh whatever! Geez, with so much self-hate as an Indian and Paki-pussiness who would want to get together with you?
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Or is that girlfriend a creation of your fantasy to bolster your non-existent self-confidence and to impress me?
You’re a pathetic coward and an Indian traitor, calling Indians neanderthals!
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Go get screwed by a Paki and take your wife with you!
@Raj
You are not a realist. You cannot tell him anything; when the guy explodes, you go cold. We have seen late Governor of Punjab going down.
Also it is not my business what you have written to non communal, but it appears bizaare, not very different from what some orthodox american jews believe in to undo everything what the Palestinians have built over thousands of years and to make it a jew land which was promised to Moses by God.
Is this your dharma or whatever you call i? Do you reckon that the lost parts of Germany should be returned to Germany. rearrange the geography as it used to be thousands and million of years ago?
Think through the process! Nothing personal, just an academic viewpoint.
Rex Minor
rex minor,
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Germany was an aggressor in World War II. If Preussen, Schlesien, Hinterpommern was not returned to them, then that can be considered the punishment for starting a war.
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When you speak of orthodox American Jews, you’re probably referring to the Temple Mount and Dome of the Rock issue. That issue is one between Abrahamic traditions where each tradition considers it to be the legitimate representative of the faith that “started” with Abraham. The area is considered holy to both Judaism and Islam, and in fact plays a role in the historicity, cosmology and dogma of both religions.
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The temples which were destroyed in India was at the hands of an Islamist invading army carrying the banner of Islam into India. We did not attack Mecca or other Muslim places. Islamic invaders attacked and invaded the Indian Subcontinent.
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Those mosque structures that were built on top of those temples are not mosques which play any important part in Islamic historicity, cosmology or dogma. No Muhammad is going to return to Somnath Temple or any of the 3000 temples which were destroyed and replaced by mosques.
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There is no bar on Muslims to build mosques in India. They are free to do so. Those mosques which were built on temple grounds can also be shifted elsewhere. It may consume energy but it is doable. No Hindu wants to break mosques as a retaliation to what the Muslims did to us. But theft is theft! And Hindus demand their property back. For us those places are holy!
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India is a land where Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism took root and prospered. The temples are very much bound with our faith, our mythology, our cosmology. These places have significance for Hindus. But to the Muslims these mosques have no historical significance except that they were built by Muslim invaders who subdued Hindus, and they consider that subjugation a matter of pride. If those mosques were located a km away, it would hardly make any real difference to the Muslims. In fact, the Hindus have even generously offered to bear the costs of the relocation.
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In fact the Indian Muslims should themselves approach Hindus to offer their cooperation in relocating of any such mosques!
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Can Muslims imagine that the mosques in Ka’aba or Medina were razed to the ground and say churches built on top of them? Would the Muslims just accept that?
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There is nothing bizarre about this, if you’re willing to think this through!
@ Raj TOO
CHEEN O ARAB HAMARAY HINDUSTAN HAMARA
SARAY JEHAN SE ACHHA PAKI-STAAN HAMARA!
RAJOAN GAYE WAHAN PER NIKLAY THAY WOH JEHAN SE
AB PAK O HIND ZARRA ZARRA NISHAAN HAMAARA!!
CORRECTION:
CHEEN O ARAB HAMARAY HINDUSTAN HAMARA
SARAY JEHAN SE ACHHA PAKI-STAAN HAMARA!
RAJAY GAYE WAHAN PER NIKLAY THAY WOH JEHAN SE
AB PAK O HIND KA ZARRA ZARRA NISHAAN HAMAARA!!
AKB,
yours is only the pit of shit you call Pakistan, and that too who knows for how long! Get Real!
Raj
You are so waste of time. What you wrote is copied from the piece of (s)crap you forwarded to rex a while ago in the name of educating him on Hinduism or what you call your Dharma. I thougt you could be one of those bigoted kind but none the less well read and thougtful. But alas, that was not to be.
You are a light-weight, the Babu Bajrangi type, you will never call the shots in India. And so you are frustrated. You vent your anger and frustration online, like you do everyday on TOI and rediff pages, and on that site that calls itself a rakhsas. Now you have invaded this site as well. I understand you, you are too weak, at home and abroad, but you are harmless. So folks at PTH, Raj is harmless. He may bark, but he does not, and I repeat does not, bite. He cannot bite (no teeth), so ignore him, he is harmless.
Raj, at home, who cares what you say, except may be your
dear leader Mayavati ? The last time you were in India, how many notes did you stick to her garland?
Now, Raj, you will need two, or may be three, more births to elevate yourself intellectually to understand a Hindu. BTW which godforsaken land are you from? Do they kill their girls when they are still unborn or do you prefer honor killing later? Do they beat up dalits if they dare feed their master’s dog? Suicide season for farmers is heating up, are you prepared with your spins?
Now, to come to your point, we all have committed grievous sins against each other. Haven’t we, uppercaste Hindus, consigned you, dalits, beyond the pale of humanity? And so it goes from the Muslims. But how long should we tear at each other’s neck?
But I forget, you are a waste of time. You are truly beyond the pale, but in a different sense. Do not, I repeat do not, expect a response to your garbage. This site, as a responsible portal, should be kept clear of bugs like you.
no-communal,
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and I tell you, the crown doesn’t sit too well! The Emperor is naked and without a crown! The old English habit of stiff upper lip is out of fashion!
I think I hit you exactly where it sticks!
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In fact, your response is so Paki! Not to go at what the issue is! Just try to abuse and more abuse and then repeat the first abuse, cuz even in abusing you got no creativity!
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Like I said, you Marxists like to wear the crown as if you are above the fray of these emotionally charged “religious bigots”
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I don’t post on TOIlet or rediff fyi! But of course I am Rakshas!
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You’re right! I don’t bite, that is because we only have milk-teeth! The Marxists don’t have much of a bite left either. Their teeth are slowly falling off due to old age!
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Ruling alliance no more dependent on Left support! Lok-Sabha strength down to 24 from 58! West-Bengal gone! Poor poor Marxists! Go cry! Not many teeth left!
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So you couldn’t answer any of the charges against Marxists that I put to you! At least you’re sincere and don’t undertake a challenge that is beyond your IQ level! You would have only made a fool of yourself!
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Now all you have to do is admit what everybody knows – you Commies are all Anti-Hindus!
If muslims don’t allow the building of temples, synagogues, churches etc. in Makkah then it means that all mosques outside of Makkah are “wajib-ul-removal”. All mosques in the indian subcontinent are illegitimate.
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Read this (written by a turkish islamofascist and ethnofascist named Zia Gökalp):
Minareler süngü
Kubbeln mighfer
Camiler kashlamiz
Muminler asker
Bu ilahi ordu dinimi bekler
Allahu ekber allahu ekber
(=Minarets are the bayonets
The doms are the helmets
The mosques are our garrisons
The believers are the soldiers
The divine military awaits for my religion
Allahu is greater allah is greater)
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This poem (by a muslim) clearly proves the evil intentions and methods of islam. A mosque is not a house of prayer – it is an embassy of islamic fascism, a citadel of militancy, a den of gangsters, a fortress of an alien imperialism…
…all misusing the word “god” and doing atrocities.
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You muslims are good at deceit and self-deceit only.
I am happy Marxists are gone, I don’t care if they return again. But the fact remains you will need two more births (as a self-confessed rakshash that will complete your three births) to finally understand a Hindu, especially a Bengali Hindu. Now, you haven’t answered my question. Haven’t we, uppercaste Hindus, consigned you dalits beyond the pale of humanity for ages? Where’s your rage about that? How is it different from the behavior of Muslim invaders you speak of? I have seen many well educated self-respecting dalits; sadly you are not one of them.
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On second thought do not let your small head spin with weighty issues. Stay busy being dumb foot-soldiers in your virtual fight with Muslims.
@Raj
Germany was an aggressor in ww2, says who? It was England, France and the USA who declared war against the third reich. O’k, Germany lost the war and had to loose some of the territories and the citizens were forcefully evacuated from those territories. Is this not what happened in India when the invading armies conquered, occupied and destroyed most? what is the difference? The loosers always a price regardless of who is right or who is not! Do you honestly believe that one can turn the clock back as if nothing had happend and there shall not be any consequences for such an action? You reckon that the Turks should pull back from the Byzantine constantinople, today called Istanbul? You are talking a lot of cobblers. Remember if you were to call some of the old demons, ther is saying that other unwanted demons shall also return. In other words the rerun of the history. Good thing that you are not in the Govt. otherwise you shall prepare India once again as a country for occupation by an outside power. You do not want to fight a war with millions of 5th columnists itting within the country.
Rex Minor
PS I did not detect any commentry from non communal which one could interpret as anti hindu or anti India.
to rex
It is about telling the truth. Not about changing or undoing history. Islam is a totalitarian imperialist ideology using fascist methods since 1400 years. That is the truth. It is not about changing any borders or forcing any people to migrate or vacate.
@Raj
I had the opinion that you are emotional but a sensible person of world experience. Any one who speaks and understand German language should have the gesunde verstand to follow reason, logic and the reality.
Rex Minor
rex minor,
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well then stop complaining about what the Hindus are doing in India or will do! Or what we will do to Pakistan. If it is all right is might, then so be it!
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Your threat of 5th columnists does not really bother! We also know from where the 5th columnists are controlled. We don’t have a problem burning the world in order to see to it that justice be done! Hindus can be born again and again and again, as the anti-Hindu non-communal has been saying all along!
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You asked me to look at it academically! I did so! If you want to get all upset, that is your prerogative!
rex minor,
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Constantinople/Istabul is a Islam-Christian issue. If Christians want to contest it, it is up to them. I don’t care!
no-communal wrote:
So you want to come out of the closet that you’re casteist pig! It is upto you!
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On the other hand who says you are a upper-caste Hindu? What is this caste? Do you mean Jaati, or do you mean Varna?
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Your jaati be whatever it is! That is your business! Your varna is established from what you do in life! And since all you have done is sell out India and Hindus, you can very well know the varna of traitors!
@Observ
Wahrnehung ist nicht die Wahrheit! Perception is not usualy the truth! You fear Islam, I do as well but for a different reason, since I have failed in my life to be a real muslim. You should tak about the muslims and that is what you mean, by calling it Islam you are wrapping up all the muslims, the good one as well as the bad one! This is not justifed and very risky, provoking Ummah, the entire muslim community for defence. Do you genuinely believe that India or for that matter there is a power today to take on the entire muslim world? Islam is not an idelogy but a religion, one believes in it first and then follows it. If you cannot understand the aforesaid then there is need to discuss Islam with a muslim.
Rex Minor
Rex Minor
PS I repeat. Islam is a religion, one(blindly) believes in it first and tries to follow it. If you cannot understnd this sentence then there is no need to discuss Islam with a muslim.
rex minor wrote:
Sound more like a programmed drone! If others then do not consider you equivalent to homo sapiens, don’t be upset!
rex minor wrote:
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rex minor,
so where is the difference between you and a died-in-the-wool Islamist? There is no difference! You too have been threatening with violence, if non-Muslims should demand what is rightfully theirs!
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and then you say:
So what does this mean? To give in to the threats of Islamists like you?
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Considering that you say, Muslims should follow Islam blindly, it is a bit thick from you to then speak of gesunden Menschenverstand!
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This shows what you have in common with Pakis. You are both completely deracinated. Pakis are Indians but have lost their loyalty and mind to Islam, ascribing their lineage to some people from Central Asia and Arabs.
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People from Turkey are Anatolians/Greeks but they too have bought in into the propaganda that you are Turks, and have anything to do with Uzbeks and the like! Look yourself in the mirror! Do you see an Uzbek, or a Turkmen?
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Islam is just good brainwashing, as it is done by the use of fear and the sword! You have yourself forgotten your tribe and its past greatness, all so as to follow a berserker religion with a thousand logical holes!
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From all this talk, you have finally understood yourself. You are an Islamist through and through and you must make amends that you were till now not following your religion well as you should have!
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That is a normal reaction! When one knows that everything one holds dear is falling around him through the piercing spears of debate and logic, you become paranoid like the man you spoke of and then you fall back and go back into your cocoon. You are afraid, because you don’t know how much you will have to burn in Hellfire, because you allowed for a short time to let doubt come up in your mind! Retreating back into the cocoon, looking for assurance, turning the rosary more rapidly, repenting for one’s doubts is the natural response!
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But you must do what you must, because the alternative is for you to make a leap which your legs may not manage!
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Anyway Peace!
to rex
Islam is for the blind, by the blind and of the blind to make everyone blind and full of hate and irrationality.
Yeah, my question still remains:
“Haven’t we, uppercaste Hindus, consigned you dalits beyond the pale of humanity for ages? Where’s your rage about that? How is it different from the behavior of Muslim invaders you speak of?”.
So long as you do not show similar rage to upper caste Hindus, as you show to unsuspecting Muslims here at PTH, your abuses, cries, and tears have no meaning. What you do to your mirror image in Islam, or in your abode of rakshasas, is your business.
no-communal,
how many of my questions have you answered? Answer them first, and I promise to answer yours!
Raj,
I am calling people like you and the goons of Dar-ul-uloo as neanderthals. I just turned 30 man. Who gets married at that age. And as I said, I prefer quality over quantity. Your tall tales about your 24 “or so” gfs, if true, shows an inherent insecurity. It’s statistically impossible to conclude that you were the only one who was switching partners at such a rate. Now, I cannot know for sure why they dumped you but the way you talk about your exs show that you were not well treated in your relationships. Probably, they were as insecure as you are but the problem wouldn’t go away if you refuse to look in the mirror. For physical inadequacies, nothing can be done. But you can build up your stamina by exercising daily and spending less time in front of the computer. Also, anger, as Buddha famously said, is like holding a live coal to throw on others. Forget about others, it plays havoc with one’s libido and, therefore, you have lost the love of your life to Chuttan Pehelwan. And, I didn’t know you were a dalit. I now understand your anger and you have my sympathies. You can abuse me as much as you want. I’ll humbly atone for the sins of my ancestors.
Just a friendly advice: you should be proud of Mayawati. She has more balls than the assorted chaddiwallahs of Nagpur. Stop being a pimp (bhadwa) for such shriveled penises. They have nothing to offer, man. They are all sexually frustrated perverts.
NC shows his real color , he keep doing equal equal between Hindus and islamists, just like India = Pak when there is no comparison between these two. How many time he is gonna rush to give comfort and aid to the mortal ideologiocal and phsysical enemies? Babar is symbol of islamic barbarian thinking. It is the duty of every Indian to demolish and dump anything associated with him. Will Jews keep monument for Hitler in Israel? India and Indians have no place for the children of cruel,alien invader Babar and his medieval mind setting ideology.
Sachbol,
Go and work. And, don’t be a jackass.
@Bad Man(Bade Mian)
You want to start a pißing contest then I am the wrong candidate. There are marines who piß as sheeps and then there is AKB, a transplant from India who in my view is a zombie and mumbles the leftovers from his memory, and can still manage during nights to piß and therefore the right partnerfor you. Mind you he has already beaten other Indian collegues of yours in this contest. I am not from the east, an care a damn about your heroes.
I have never suggested that the world of the west do something for the muslims. You are a complete idiot and has the right job to work in the subways kitchen. Address me no further, the guy living in the country of law called America where the third largest employer is the Prison establishment and wher Gitmo is located and where Alcohal is banned in hundres of counties in southern states; but was not aware of them! What do you know about anything?
Rex Minor
Rex Minor,
Just answer my simple query:
Where is Shariah imposed in the US?
As I said, it’s a barbaric law of barbaric times. It has no place in a modern society, revelations and houris be damned.
Btw, people here who work in subway kitchens have more brains than you. At least they don’t go around strutting about their superior faiths. When in Rome, do as Romans do. And, try to be grateful for the freedom that Germany gives you instead of pining for Sharia and all that nonsense.
@Raj
I am not insinuating any thing. Your own mind is guiding your conclusions. Perhaps,we should take more interest in history and learn how the people migrted from one continent to another. Should we believe that we are all from the family of apes, the thesis of zoologist Darwin, and therefore came originaly from Africa. Or believe in the historians and archceologists who tell us that the cradle of civilisation was in the middle east and this is where the human design was created. And ths then takes us to the scriptures and the episode of Noah, Ibrahim, Moses and so on . Or should we expect a rewrite of history as you said that the oldest civilisation most probably existed in the Indian sub-continent and therefore everything which exists today in India and Pakistan originaly belonged to Hindus the most ancient specie of the mankind.
It is all so exciting, not very much for the Germans who are indo- germanic, the aryans and what have you.
Rex Minor
Ps Do not worry too much, Indian Govt. is very wise and knows how to handle its security. Take care.
@Raj
Could you please advise me how to handle this bat man. He appears to be from the gutter, is caable of using obscene and vulgar outmatching that of AKB and is not giving up? He keeps asking questions which he can google and find out, but reckons that I am some sort of a wickipedia for him. Thanks.
Rex Minor
rex minor,
). This old chap is Bengali. He would pronounce it as Borhe Miyan. We Punjabis would translate Borhe Miyan as a toothless chap! Neither his ravings nor his positions have any meaning. Basically as an Indian I am embarassed that some of us have so lost our bearings.
Bade Miyan means Old Chap (Ey Alter
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Man bräuchte eigentlich eine Fliegenklasche für ihn!
Sachbol ji,
NC has furthermore shown that he is a two-bit casteist in Marxist garb! I guess the sickular brigade is full of casteists too!
rex minor wrote:
I agree. Man kann nie genug lernen!
Raj too,
Sweetie, I guessed right. So you are one of the Punjabi refugees, and I understand the source of your anger. 60 years is a long time. C’mon, get over it. Much blood has been wasted over it.
I don’t want to get into regional chauvinism. I have excellent Punjabi friends, but, please, for heaven’s sake, don’t go over that bravery bit.
Btw, I am a Bihari (Ganga Kinare wala) and not a Bengali.
Rex Minor,
The fact is that Humans evolved from apes and they originated from a place in South Africa. Rest is all cock and bull story and all the divine revelation to Moses and his aunty and Arjun and Jesus were just caught when the prophets’ antenna was not working full time.
There is a saying about darkness beneath the lamp. I despair for the German intellectual. Surely he has seen better days than being represented by a bunch of nincompoops who unload their crap here
everyday.
Bade Miyan means Elder Chap not old chap..Raj dear you need a lesson in the language of your motherland..
Borhe Miyan,
try guessing again!
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I don’t believe you, that you’re Bihari! Biharis don’t have complexes like you. I think you, Vajra, no-communal, are all Bangladeshi refugees, who have all gone super-Dhimmi and are mad at your fathers because they did not convert!
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And converting now does not get your lands back!
Borhe Miyan,
who uses the term “Elder Chap” in English? “Old Chap” is commonly used.
Sachbol,
No, that’s not my real color. But dogs only understand barking. I am fortunate to have many dalit friends, none like this one specimen.
BTW, how many posts do you write in a day? may be one, perhaps two. These guys are soiling this site every minute. There’s a limit to everything.
You may want to thank us for keeping them nder the feet, so you can gloat about “Indic values”. Without that India would have turned into Pakistan. Sane Pakistanis failed in this, and so you, sometimes rightly, laugh at them.
BM
As you know, there’s no sharia anywhere in the US court system. Sometimes some personal civil matters may be settled by Sharia, but that too is extremely rare.
On another note, don’t waste energy and time chasing fools. That Indian zombie from Germany is not worth the time.
Haha..Raj dear..If you ask Vajra, he will corroborate what I have been saying.
The reason why you always talk about Dhimmi and such is because you guys were converted with a sword up your bums, and, therefore, this display of collective bravado to overcompensate for that humiliation.
As for Biharis, well, we have our faults but we generally have our feet firmly on the ground, which is why, throughout history, we have been more successful at building durable empires.
I must say, however, and I am not patronizing, that it makes me happy to hear your bile. For centuries Dalits have been made to live a sub human existence, and trust me, it makes me doubly happy when Mayawati imperiously sets up a cat among the congressi pigeons. Nothing would make me happier than a nice round kick on Amul Baby’s backside. It’s just unfortunate that you have given up one slavery for another.
NC,
Normally, I just laugh at these antics, but today I had some time waiting for some results and decide to indulge these lunatics.
Borhe Miyan,
As I said, your rantings are really without sir ya payr! Who was converted? Why was I converted? Do you even think when you type out something?
no-communal wrote:
Yes, that is indeed fortunate considering your casteist leanings!
BM,
if you are talking about Punjabi Musalman then its true about their empty bravado. Most of the conversion in Punjab happened when Moghul gave tough time to the sons of soil. But you must understand that conversion weeded out the weaker minds. Sons of soil Punjabi moved on and Khalsa established the Kingdom centred in Punjab. Even now from Afghanistan to Iran to Baluchistan to Hindustan , Punjabi Musalman is dismissed as a force of no consequences becuase they bend with little preassure. In all of their history , they have not produced one man of mettle or strategic vision and known for worshipping non Punjabi from CAR or Persia. Punjabis on this side of Wagha are entirely different people.They have excelled in every walk of life , be in business ,commerce, science,literature ,philospohy, and Warfare.The shine, pride and light in their eyes is entirely different comparing to rootless convert who failed the test of time. Please dont ignore the difference between sons of soil Punjabi and convert Pakjabi with whome Sindhi, Pushtun and Baluchis are fed up.
@ Raj TOO
I thought the swine has already popped off in his sty but lo! There you are still wallowing in the piggy poop!
I thought i must hurl some fodder at you..
Help yerself and Google for the titles of the youtube vids.
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An Ode To The Women Who Became Statistics
http://www.countercurrents.org/samar240112.htm
New Delhi, the capital of the biggest democracy of the world witnesses a rape every 18 hours, and an incident of sexual harassment takes place here every 14 hours
AKB wrote:
So you too understand, Pakistan is piggy poop!
That is a fairly low frequency. We need to bring it to zero!
Coming from Pakistanis! Yaaawwwn!
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar did not allow himself to be attached to any anti-brahmin movement or ideology. He sternly rejected attempts by muslims to attact him to their fold. He even warned about islam.
Today’s so-called followers of Dr. Ambedkar are just the opposite.
They are staunchly anti-brahmin and wish to bootlick the muslims.
But some dalit leaders of today are now seeing the folly in this.
@ Raj TOO
If you have nothing to say just shut up!
@ observ
[[[[Today’s so-called followers of Dr. Ambedkar are just the opposite.
They are staunchly anti-brahmin and wish to bootlick the muslims.]]]]]]]
You are full of lame excuses!