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Are Ahmadis Non-Muslims?
By Yasser Latif Hamdani
(Written exclusively for PakTeaHouse. Please give credit when crossposting)
The poison of ignorance and extremism that Bhutto and General Zia jointly fathered during their dictatorial regimes has fully indoctrinated even those who otherwise describe themselves as educated.
This week the Large Hadron Collider at the CERN inched closer to the discovery of Higgs Boson or the God Particle as it were. In this extraordinary story of human achievement, Dr. Abdus Salam is a key player who put Pakistan on the map of theoretical physics. In his homeland though, a group of self-styled champions of Islam have started a posthumous campaign of scurrilous slander claiming that Dr. Salam was giving out nuclear secrets. Forget that even a confirmed bigot like General Zia held a ceremony in our only nobel prize winner’s honour or that no one ever accused Dr. Salam of any such thing; in Pakistan to be a hero you have to actually transfer technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea.
Now consider the case of 11 year old Sitara Akbar. Every Pakistani and his mother in law are citing her as a crowning national achievement, blissfully oblivious of the fact that she is an Ahmadi. To them her religion is suddenly unimportant or irrelevant or is it? How many Sitara Akbars have been expelled from our schools for being Ahmadi? How many productive citizens of this republic have been killed and maimed for believing differently?
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s National Assembly imagined itself the Islamic equivalent of the Council of Nicea. Just as that ancient bastion of Christian orthodoxy excommunicated unitarian Christians for not believing in the trinity of the father, son and the holy ghost, the National Assembly saw it fit to – primarily at the instigation of the Prime Minister and his law minister- declare an entire sect non-Muslim. Just like the post hoc elevation of the principle of trinity at Nicea, Pakistan’s National Assembly located Islam in the principle of the finality of Prophethood.
This act of our sovereign legislature stood in sharp contrast to the view of this nation’s founding father. On 5 May, 1944, in response to demands of the orthodox vis a vis Ahmadis, Jinnah made it absolutely clear that anyone who professes to be a Muslim is a Muslim and welcome in the Muslim League and that those who were raising the issue were trying to divide the Muslims. Here I am forced to say that I am inclined to accept Jinnah’s view and reject the collective wisdom of our sovereign legislature. There are several reasons which may be cited in this regard:
- First and foremost Pakistan is bound by the United Nations’ charter. Therefore Pakistan is bound to ensure freedom of religion for all its citizens and freedom of religion means freedom of religion according to the definition of the subject of the said freedom.
- Identity is subjective not objective. The state of Pakistan or any other state cannot tell an Ahmadi that he is not a Muslim because it is intrinsic to the faith of an Ahmadi. This is an inviolable, inalienable right as part of right to life which every state in the world is bound to protect. If Ahmadis say they are Muslims they ought to be accepted as such.
- Pakistan is a signatory to the ICCPR and without reservations since June 2011. Therefore every piece of legislation that discriminates against Ahmadis or forces a label upon them is ultra vires the ICCPR.
- The Islamic argument: According to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) anyone who utters the Kalima Shahadah is a Muslim. None of the Kalimas, including the Primary Kalima Shahadah contains any reference to the principle of the finality of Prophethood as understood by the Muslim majority today.
- Finally because by conduct and promise, Pakistani state is estopped from claiming otherwise. In 1947, Pakistan laid claim to Qadian as a Muslim holy place, a counter-blast to Sikh claims on Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal. Similarly in 1946 elections which is the basic referendum on the question of Pakistan, Ahmadi votes were instrumental in getting Muslims Pakistan. These are undeniable facts of history.
Therefore- fully aware of the stigma attached to this statement- I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.
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@AKB
Only you and I agree that Parliament alone decides matters of faith. Our parliament of 1974 understood Islam better than anyone. Our ulema, despite all disagreements, are in agreement on this one issue alone. Berelivis and Deobandis may call each other kafir but when it comes to this issue they have an ijma. Let us hope that control over the Parliament isn’t lost by our ulema i karam.
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@AKB
The pashtuns so called talibans do not negotiate with foreigners, never have! They must be defeated on the battle ground. The yankees and your military were the weakest to confront them. Mr Obama has apologised to Hamid Karzai, for burning the Quraan books in Bagram; the talibans have called for an all out attack, but The Amir of Afghanistan has not yet but could follow in the coming weeks. The Americans main effort now is to once again by pursuation or promise of more money to ask Pakistan leaders to let them use the infra structure and air space for withdrawl.
Rex Minor
Just to know:
The Fouder of Pakistan is superior who has made Pakistan not the Parlament of Pakistan. The First Foreign Minister of Pakitan was Sir Mohammad Zaffrullah Khan a member of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Ahmadiyya Mulim Community supported the Founder of Pakistan. The Parlment of Pakistan is Junior and must obey and follow the founder of Pakistan who has declared Ahmadiyya Muslim Community,s members follows;
“Ahmadis are Muslims, If They Say They are Muslims and No One, Not Even the Sovereign Legislature, has the Right to Say Otherwise”. Muhammad Ali Jinnah (05 May 1944).
(Credit: Pakteahouse.net By Yasser Latif Hamdani)
The poison of ignorance and extremism that Bhutto and General Zia jointly fathered during their dictatorial regimes has fully indoctrinated even those who otherwise describe themselves as educated.
Dear Readers
Hi!
I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.
Bajwa Saab,
I think you will do a greater service to Ahmedism and Islam by not talking about it. I just read a few articles on that website. They are really quite silly.
1, NON MUSLMAAN HAY WOH JO BHALLA NA KARAY
MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO BURRA NA KARAY
2, NON MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO ALLAH KO APPNA KHALIQ NA MANAY
MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO ALLAH KO APPNA KHALIQ MANAY
3, NON MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH KA WIRD NA KARAY
MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO LA ILAAHA ILLALLAH KA WIRD KARAY
@ Sachbol (Feb 24, 2012 at 1:25 am)
1: “…..BI, Again..Your response contains Godhood behaviour to Duality which is mundane, material and Created…..”
Being “material”, is a property of Matter, not an attribute of God. Creating matter, would not render the Creator “material”. The Quran speaks of God as the “Khaaliq” [Creator], which means that all that is besides His own Being is created by Him. If the attribute of “Existence” could be measured numerically, Creation would measure “Zero” as compared to the Creator. This means to say that although Creation does exist, but its existential value is infinitely smaller than that of the Creator. Hence, there is no Duality. There is only one “One” and that “One” is God. We read in the Quran: “Qul huwallahu Ahad” [Quran 112:1], meaning “Say – He is Allah – One”.
2: “…..The response of Godhood is made conditional on every count within the realm of Cause and Effect thus reducing the Godhood to minimum level thus disqualified as Universal,Supreme Godhood transcending all barriers and shortcomings…..”
God is the “Cause of all causes”, the “Prime Cause” and the “Prime Mover”. The “realm of Cause and Effect” as you have rightly put it, in my opinion, does exist. God is not only, the Initiator of the chain of Cause and Effect, but also appears in the middle, when in response to our supplications and often even in the absence of our supplications, He intervenes to help us.
3: “…..If Godhood is Rab Al Alameen then, how did it forget to include the evil which It Itslef has created?…..”
The term “Rabb” has three meanings in Arabic: (1) Creator, (2) Sustainer and (3) Perfecter. The term “Aalameen” means “the worlds”. Therefore, “Rabb-ul-aalameen” would mean Creator, Sustainer and Perfecter of all the worlds. The entity of “Evil”, may I submit, is with reference to us humans, not with reference to God. For instance, a certain poison that can cause harm to humans, is merely a substance from God’s point of view. Electricity is a blessing when it illuminates our homes and drives our electrical appliances, but an evil when it electrocutes. Hence, even from the human point of view, it is the nature of the encounter with something, that determines whether that something is good or evil.
4: “…..Islam made many claims and demands on Indian people and territory…..”
“Islam” has no claim on territories because Islam is inherently non-territorial. “Islam” is a path, a path that leads Man to God.
Regards
I concur what Bin Ismail says follows;
”Electricity is a blessing when it illuminates our homes and drives our electrical appliances, but an evil when it electrocutes”.
Moreover blessed is
NO:1
BIG
LORD
ALLAH
who has blessed us like elecrticity the Relegion of Islam and Holy Quran as a guidance for practice & paradise. Alhamdo Lillahe Rabulaalameen.
@ AKB (February 25, 2012 at 1:26 am)
// I bet you would neither believe the holy Prophet Muhammad not the parliamentary decision//
You lose the bet. In matters of Faith, I follow the Holy Prophet. The Parliament has nothing to do with matters of Faith.
// It’s you who have altered the meaning of ”khatam’//
Well, facts would propose otherwise. Ahmadis use the term “khaatam” just as the Holy Prophet himself used it. You’ve been told this several times. Now, once again – the Holy Prophet declared that Hazrat Ali was the “Khaatam-ul-Awliya” and that Hazrat Abbas was the “Khaatam-ul-Muhajireen”. In both cases, the Holy Prophet used the term “Khaatam” as a synonym of “the most excellent”. So, my friend, it’s you, who seem to have doctrinal differences with the Holy Prophet.
I concur with Dark Knight says follows;
”Ahmadis use the term “khaatam” just as the Holy Prophet himself used it. You’ve been told this several times. Now, once again – the Holy Prophet declared that Hazrat Ali was the “Khaatam-ul-Awliya” and that Hazrat Abbas was the “Khaatam-ul-Muhajireen”. In both cases, the Holy Prophet used the term “Khaatam” as a synonym of “the most excellent”. So, my friend, it’s you, who seem to have doctrinal differences with the Holy Prophet”.
Excellant services always.
The Story of a Mirzai Mullah
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At Local Mosque the local Mirzai Mullah explains that he must move on to a larger congregation that will pay him more. There is a hush within the congregation.
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No one wants him to leave because he is so popular.
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Mansoor, who owns several car dealerships in Glasgow, stands up and proclaims:
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‘If the Mullah stays, I will provide him with a new Mercedes every year and his wife with a Volkswagen mini-van to transport their children!’
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The congregation sighs in appreciation and applauds.
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Ghulam, a successful entrepreneur and publican, stands and says, if the Mullah will stay on here, I’ll personally double his salary and establish a foundation to guarantee private secondary school education for all of his children!’
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More sighs and loud applause.
Sarah Ebrahim, age 88, stands and announces with a smile:
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‘If the Mullah stays, I will give him free sex.’
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There is total silence.
The Mullah, blushing, asks her:
‘Mrs Ebrahim, you’re a wonderful and pious lady, whatever possessed you to say that?’
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Sarah’s 90-year old husband, Ebrahim, is now trying to hide, holding his forehead with the palm of his hand and shaking his head from side to side, while his wife replies:
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‘Well, I just asked my husband how we could help, and he said, ‘F**k him’.
@ Parliament-Certified Muslim
[[[[[[[[[[[[Only you and I agree that Parliament alone decides matters of faith. ]]]]]]]]]]
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Not only you and me but every sensible man will agree to it. How do you account for the laws promulgated by secular democratic states such as India or America??? Aren’t they meddling with the faiths of others or even the Hindu’s ,Xtians, Jews and Mormons themselves??
@ rex minor
You are mistaken. the truth is that Pakistan doesn’t want to ‘conquer’ Afghanistan otherwise it is a two minutes job for the Pak army to do that.
It is firstly because Pak and Afghan are neighbors …friends can change but not territorial neighbors and its silly and futile to make enemies of neighbors unnecessarily or for the benefit of outsiders.
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Afghanistan is a problem for the US not for Pak….therefore Pak is just ostensibly trying to demonstrate the ‘fight’ against the Talibs or Afghans
in consort with the Nato to stay with both the international community as well as the Afghans. This is not dishonest for Pak because Pak will never wage a war on already poverty stricken Afghan most of whose business depends on Pak alone…moreover Pak has no interest in capturing or occupying their land. In fact Pak has been bullied to join the US or the NATO by undue influence of the super power…and Pak succumbed to their whims due to its weaker economic position.
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Surely the US has to pay if it wants to engage someone else to do his job..even Indians won’t do it for free!! Pretty natural, isn’t it??
@ Bade Miyan
Better if this Bajra of Bajwa keeps out Mirzai propaganda out of this forum..have had enuf of that bullshit!
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
You can agree with DN because you are ”vultures of the same flock”!!
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The rule is (ask YLH the lowyer) that If two words have ambiguous meanings the one that is firstly plain ,general, common and universally accepted must be taken as the right one!
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khatam means khatam shud!!Finiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish, final, end!!
Moreover, the Mirjzai innovators are not better at Arabic than the Arabs themselves to whom Arabic belongs…..by alluding a false meaning to the Arabic word you are just trying to be more loyal the the King, dicksmart telling nanny to suck eggs! Better stop shooting at your own feet!
@ Dark Knight
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Why don’t you try to challenge the International constitutions to fit in your ugly ”faith”?? Not to talk of Islamic countries, even the secular democratic countries will kick the faith out of you asses if they conflicted with your religion. Practising Faith may be okay in your house but not on the public forum. For example a Muslim cannot slaughter cows freely in India; a Muslim cannot marry more than one women in the West; a Hindu widow cannot commit sati or jauhar; etc etc. These practices are banned at law and as a good citizen of any country one is bound to obey its laws and abide by the Parliamentary decisions.
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QURANICALLY Khatam means Khatam shud….I don’t care about what you attribute to Ali or anybody else. I just know you are broke when you say ”ROKRA KHATAM SHUD’!! ”KAHANI KHATAM…MARDANGI KHATAM, TERI MAAN KA KHATAM, ETC ETC
Just To Know:
Dr. Abdus Salam is a key player who put Pakistan on the map of theoretical physics. Dr. Abdus Salam is a Member of International Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. May Almighty Allah provide him best reward and honour. Amen
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[1, NON MUSLMAAN HAY WOH JO BHALLA NA KARAY
MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO BURRA NA KARAY
2, NON MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO ALLAH KO APPNA KHALIQ NA MANAY
MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO ALLAH KO APPNA KHALIQ MANAY
3, NON MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH KA WIRD NA KARAY
MUSLMANN HAY WOH JO LA ILAAHA ILLALLAH KA WIRD KARAY]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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What a stupid logic by you!! Get a cold shower to catch fatal pneumonia for eternal bliss !
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Shootia tamaam, Allah or God is not only for Muslims…Hindus, Xtians and atheists are also human beings and have their equal claim on the Creator..whatever name they call him.
Non-Muslims can be equally good or better humans than Muslims or Mirjai’s.
Do not try to brag about Allah wrongly …he will chastise you for deviating from the right path by dispatching you to eternal hell.
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
To hell with you and your religiously bigoted and sick theoretical physicist Salam..
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
BAJWA, IS KE BAAD TERA BAJRA KHATAM HO JAYAY GA!!!
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(The Holy Quran, An-Nahl 16:105)
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Khatmay-Nabuwat in the Quran
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Close to one hundred verses of the holy Quran, directly or indirectly, support the doctrine of the Finality of Prophethood.
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Verse 40 of the Surah Al-Ahzab (33), for instance, highlights this teaching in clear terms.
The Holy Quran, Surah Al Ahzab 33:40
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Two translations of this Ayah follow:
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O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything.
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Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:40)
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Muslim Scholars, since the time of our beloved Prophet(SAW), have correctly understood this verse to indicate that no new Prophet or Messenger will be sent to humanity until the day of judgment.
[Read: The Interpretation of well-known Muslim Scholars].
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Numerous verses of the Quran indicate that the teachings of Islam have been completed, perfected, and preserved and have been meant universally for all the Worlds. Such statements eliminate every reason for which a new prophet may need to be commissioned to humanity. In this regard, we can briefly mention:
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And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind do not know.
(The Holy Quran, Saba 34:28)
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Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.”
(The Holy Quran, Al-Araf 7:158)
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If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
(The Holy Quran, Al-e-Imran 3:85)
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The following portion of the last revealed verse of the Holy Quran is also a testimony that no Apostle with new instructions or interpretations of the holy Quran will ever need to be sent to the humanity:
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This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Maidah 5:3)
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The following verses, which appear at the very beginning of the holy Quran, indicate the qualities of the individuals, who will benefit from the holy Quran, and have been given an assurance of salvation. In its concise and precise form, Quran makes clear that these include revelations up to the time of Prophet Muhammad(SAW), and precludes the possibility of any future revelations, prophets, or religions.
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This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who fear Allah, believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, give charity from what We have provided for them, and believe in the Revelation sent to you (O Muhammad) and before you, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who shall be successful.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Bagara 2:2-5)
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Khatmay-Nabuwat in Hadith of Prophet(SAW)
Many verses of the Holy Quran allude to the special wisdom bestowed on the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to understand and explain the revelations included in the Holy Quran. For example, in verse 4 of chapter 14 of the Quran, we read:
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And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he [Hazrat Muhammad(SAW)] might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.
(The Holy Quran, Ibrahim 14:4)
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The following teachings of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) deal with the issue of Finality of Prophethood. As apparent from the references, these Ahadith are authentic and have been recorded by many scholars and reported by numerous companions of the Prophet(SAW).
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My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets.
(Bukhari, Muslim,Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Tirmizi, Babu Khatimin-Nabiyyin, Musnad Abu Dawud Tayalisi)
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God has bestowed upon me six favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy:
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I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech.
I was granted victory owing to my awe.
The spoils of war were made lawful unto me.
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The whole earth has been made the place of worship for me and it has become the means of purification for me also. In other words, in my religion, offering of prayers is not confined to certain specified places of worship. Prayers can be offered at any place over the earth. And in case water is not available, it is lawful for my people to perform ablutions with earth (Tayammum) and to cleanse themselves with the soil, if water for bathing is scarce.
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I have been sent by Allah to carry His Divine message to the whole world.
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And the line of prophets has come to its final end in me.
(Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)
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I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. And I am the last in the sense that no prophet shall succeed me.
(Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Muatta’)
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You (Hazrat Ali) are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses (pbuh). But no Apostle will come after me.
(Bukhari, Muslim
Musnad recorded a similar hadith ending in ‘Behold there is no prophethood after me.’)
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If ever there arose a person from among my people who would hold communion with God, it would be none else but ‘Umar bin Khattab.
(Bukhari , Muslim, Tirmidhi)
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We are the last (ummah) but will precede all on the Day of Resurrection except that the Book was given to them before us.
(Bukhari, Muslim)
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The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me.
(Bukhari)
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I am the last in line of the prophets of God and my Masjid is the last Masjid.
(Muslim)
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The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me.
(Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Anas bin Malik)
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There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and no Prophet will come after me.
(Abu Dawood, Tirmizi)
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Allah will send no Apostle after me, but only Mubashshirat (Good vision or pious vision).
(Musnad Ahmad, Abu Tufail, Nasa’i, Abu Dawud)
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No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any new Prophet.
(Baihaqi, Tabarani)
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God Almighty hath sent unto the world no apostle who did not warn his people about the appearance of Dajjal (Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and you are the last community of believers. Without doubt, then, Dajjal shall appear from amongst you.
(Ibn Majah)
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I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. There will be no prophet after me.
(Musnad Ahmad)
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These are just a brief listing of the authentic teachings of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) available on the issue of the Finality of Prophethood; should a true believer have any doubt about the Finality of Prophethood?
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It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:36)
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The Historic Sermon of Prophet(SWT)
Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) saw it fit to mention this very important fact in his historic sermon, which was witnessed by over 120,000 individuals. Through it, he again warned the entire mankind to stay away from destructive man-made cults, in the following words:
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…O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you…
(Read: The Entire Sermon)
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Should we not heed the prophets’(SAW) warnings and stay away from false prophets?
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We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah’s leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful. But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa 4:64-65)
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The Opinion of Great Scholars of Islam
Throughout the centuries, Muslim Scholars have unanimously supported the fundamental doctrine of Finality of Prophethood in Prophet Muhammad(SAW). So much so, that the entire Ummah has recognized anyone who claims to be a prophet (in any capacity), supports someone else’s claim to prophethood, or views such claimant as a religious leader, to be an unbeliever (Kafir).
[Read: The Opinion of well-known Muslim Scholars].
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Should we not accept the opinion of our knowledgeable Muslim Scholars?
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O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:59)
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Dictionary Translation
Hoping to misguide individuals, who lack knowledge of linguistics and Arabic language, some unlearned opportunists have attempted to misinterprete the verse 33:40 of Al-Ahzab, which was mentioned earlier, since it is the best known verse in support of the doctrine of the Finality of Prophethood. Such individuals often claim the word khatam, in the context of the verse, to mean “stamp”, “seal”, “best”, “decoration” or “ring”! They also claim that the word Nabiyyeen indicates the “law giving prophets”.
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The actual dictionary translations of the words khatam nabuwat, in this context, are as follows:
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Khatam: Can be read in two ways: khatam, meaning last or seal; and khatim meaning seal or terminator.
The authorative dictionary of Lisanul-Arab indicates that both ‘khatam’ and ‘khatim’ mean “last of them” and the Qamoos dictionary says that it indicates the “last person”, like a seal.
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Nabuwat: Messengership; Prophethood of any kind, since all Messengers (rasuls or law giving prophets) are also Prophets.
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In the word of Allah(SWT), the Quran was revealed in detail in the arabic language so Arabs would understand it without a problem. True to God’s promise, no arabic speaking person will have a doubt of what is meant by Khatme-Nabuwat. Isn’t it particularly amusing to find self-proclaimed “prophets”, who according to historical records did not even have a working knowledge of the Arabic language, tried to reinterprete this verse?
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Had We sent this as a Qur’an (in a language) other than Arabic they would have said: “Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger) an Arab?” Say: “It is a guide and a healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not there is a deafness in their ears and it is blindness in their (eyes); they are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!
(The Holy Quran, Ha-Mim 41:44)
(12:2, 13:37, 16:103, 20:113, 26:195, 39:028, 41:003, 42:7, 43:3, and 46:12 also illuminate the point that proper knowledge of arabic language is required to avoid mistranslating/misinterpreting the Holy Quran.)
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Conclusion
The sheer amount of evidence provided here should suffice to convince anyone believing in the divinity of Islam that the prophet Muhammad(SAW) was the last Prophet of God and that anyone with a claim to prophethood should be considered an outcast from Islam. No one can better state this fact, than Allah(SWT) himself:
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Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against Allah or deny His Signs? But never will prosper those who sin.
(The Holy Quran, Yunus 10:60)
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Those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, Allah will not guide them and theirs will be a grievous Penalty.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nahl 16:104)
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Bear witness that we are Muslims and we have conveyed the true message of Allah so that you might benefit from it.
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Therefore give admonition in case the admonition profits (the hearer). The admonition will be received by those who fear (Allah): But it will be avoided by those most unfortunate ones. Who will enter the Great Fire In which they will then neither die nor live.
(The Holy Quran, Al-A’la 87:9-13)
http://www.irshad.org/finality/proof.php
Mirjai problems can be fixed by pissing and moaning.
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An elderly lady phoned her telephone company to report that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called — and that on the few occasions when it did ring, her pet dog always moaned right before the phone rang.
The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog …. or the senile elderly lady.
He climbed a nearby telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber’s house. The phone didn’t ring right away, but then the dog moaned loudly and the telephone began to ring. Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:
1. The dog was tied to the telephone system’s ground wire via a steel chain and collar.
2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.
3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the phone number was called.
4. After a couple of such jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate on himself and the ground.
5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.
Which goes to show that some problems can be fixed by pissing and moaning.
@ AKB
//..Khatam means Khatam shud….I don’t care about what you attribute to Ali or anybody else. I just know you are broke when you say ”ROKRA KHATAM SHUD’!! ”KAHANI KHATAM..//
Tsk, tsk. Okay, I’ll help you out with this. If we use the Urdu word “khatam”, it indeed means “finish”. For example, if we say “AKB ki aqal khatam ho gaee hai” or “AKB ka dimagh khatam ho gya hai”, “khatam” would mean “khatam shud” which in Persian means “finish” because we would be using the Urdu/Persian idiom. The Quran, as you would probably know, is in Arabic, which is a language quite distinct from Urdu and Persian both. In the Arabic language – and do forgive me for the inconvenience this revelation is about to cause you – the expression “khaatam” has two and only two meanings:
1) Seal of Authentication
2) Ring
In case you’re having difficulties in grasping what I’ve written in English, let me hep you with the translation in Urdu, but in Roman of course. “Khaatam” would have two, and only two meanings in Urdu:
1) Mohr-e-tasdeeq
2) Angootthi
Please continue to cling tenaciously to your own interpretation. The Final Judgement rests with Allah.
@ AKB
Hi!
Fyi
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community launches a new state of the art website, to engage Christian, agnostic and atheist readers.
Especially check out the Homepage and page about ‘Revelation,’ which is important as the secular world is in denial of it altogether.
Find the link in the Muslim Times or try: http://islamforwest.org/
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Best Regards
@AKB
By Reviewing of Religion, Wisdom & Lesson Learned follows;
Holy Qur’an
O ye who believe! Be steadfast in the cause of Allah, bearing witness in equity; and let not a people’s enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do.
Prophet Muhammad(sa)
The strong is not he who defeats others in wrestling. The strong is he who has full control over himself during his anger.
Bible
If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink; for thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the Lord shall reward thee.
Gandhi
It is easy enough to be friendly to one’s friends. But to befriend the one who regards himself as your enemy is the quintessence of true religion. The other is mere business.
Wisdom & Lesson Learned
Always;
Be just
Keep justice,
Control anger
Support others
Be friendly
Keep friendship
Be peaceful
Keep peace
Be helpful
Be Kind Respect each other
Care each other
Love vs Hate
Greeting by the command of NO:1 BIG LORD ALLAH.
Be honest
Be faithful
Be friendly
@AKB
It is better that you keep your efforts concentratd on the issue of Ahmedis. The results are almost near; now that you guys are discussing the shortcomings of urdu. Do not expose yourself to Afghan or Pakistan talibans; they would instantly fall in love wih you, and bury you alive, when you indicate that you are leavng them. You are on the safer wicket staying in this blog.
Rex Minor
@Mr Bajwa
It would appear that today’s Pakistan is nolonger Mr Jinnah’s Pakistan. The people are protecting themselves with Klashnikovs, military people are taking off their unidorms when they go their house, people are ready to shoot any one they do not like, and are about getting ready to lynch the vunarmed bloke who has not got a sizeable beard.
I have the feeing that you people are living in the past and having problems with Punjabis, who are not very literate with this language. Survival of the fittest appears to be the call of the day. These guys do not even hesitate to spare a mosque(God’s house) from the assault.
Rex Minor
@ Rex Minor
//~It would appear that today’s Pakistan is no longer Mr Jinnah’s Pakistan~//
True. Today’s Pakistan is anything but Jinnah’s Pakistan. Jinnah’s vision of Pakistan is clearly visible in his historical 11th August 1947 address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan. On that occasion, guiding the Constituent Assembly towards what kind of constitution, needed to be made, Jinnah said:
1) “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”
2) “We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State”
3) “you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State”
The present constitution of Pakistan is nowhere close to being the constitution that was envisioned by Jinnah.
God save Pakistan.
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So many contradiction in your explanation. If there is only one reality /Existence in essence then why your Godhood is not capable of stating, perceiving so. Allah of islam talks in multiplicity, it intrdocue itself in the relam of Naam and Roopa I.e with specific name and shape as its an entity occupying space and require specific mundane/human channles for assistence to express and maifest .All the Quranic statements are made in duality , they are either this or that, for or against, yes or no, Belief or Non belief. The whole book is about small mundane matters, unable to transcend simple material, created limitations, contradictions. This is why i say its mismatch of sayings and deeds, very first sign of unripe ego unable to comply with higher pricniple of Non Duality. Allah do not talk as One as IT perceives diffrentiations on every occasion,moment and vairiety in life essence.
If its the cause of Cause then why it reacts to the mundane causes and in majority cases in cruel manners. Same mismatch as its not Godhood but the perception of Godhood by person Muhamad. When he is the cause of cause , the initiators , onlee existence in essence yet He Intervine! Intervine into what, when in essence He is the only one which exist? By doing so , the doctrine reduces Godhood to the bondage of duality.
Yes , Islam does make claim on the land and territory. First it assign predominence to location called Mecca. Then it wants Jihad so people of distcne lands must say Muhamad is the Prophet of such and such Godhood. Not only this It also have Vomit inducing specific formula made in the name of Godhood to how to distribute the loot of kaffirs, sell women and children, sexual rights over slaves etc.Pakistan is the very product of terrirtory claiming islam , US Vs Them. the contradictions are countless as falsehood, material limitations and human egositic shortcomings are assigned to the divinity.
Satya / Truth is principle which is unchangeable . Even manifested Godhood dont violate such principle. If the doctrine fails the test of Truth , it must be limited to its own place and time. Assigning universal qualities to the violations is nothing but living Falsehood and lowering the standadards of True Divinity. Wiesling out might satisfy the ego or pass the time but it wont change the Truth which is not subsurvient to Person, Palce or Personality.
I concur with what Syed says follows;
God save Pakistan.Amen
Syed
Jinnah’s Pakistan is incomplete because many Muslamans living in india need to migrate to Pakistan. They fought for it yet were left behind . The Government of Pakistan has denied the right of the pleasures of islamic Paradise to them. Justice is not served when Ahmadis and Shias freely enjoy the fruits of MAJ and his Muslamans’ struggle while the original contributors are in pain to see and live among Kaffirs.
I concur with what Sachbol says follow;
”Truth is principle which is unchangeable”
Moreover True God is Truth, and True God is itself Alive unvisible unchangeable spiritual power NO:1 BIG LORD ALLAH.
Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
Not Allah of Muhamadas as none of Pillars of his doctrine contain Truth. Regional, Tribal , Mundane Stuck Personality Allah , Product of Person Muhamad and His opinion plus Place Mecca make it whole. No Truth is mentioned.Mercy is mentioned but its assigned to Cruelty. the whole doctrine is upside down and void of Truth. Claims and Deeds dont Match and proof as proof of lacking Truth.
It should be Allah of Muhamamd.
@Mr Syed
So where does one go from here, now that you accept that it is not Jinnah’s Pakstan and lived a long period of militarisation, sending its leaders to gallows including target killings, and its today’s leaders no longer have the vision or the competence to reset the direction of the country. Your interpretation differences in urdu language could be overcome when Arabic language is made compulsary , relegating Urdu and other languages for local consumption. One cannot bring the dead back; one tries to build a consenses for one’s ideas, integrate or assimilate with the majority, or migrate to another country. You have a bigger load, since your clientale includes muslims and non-muslims, and perhaps this was Mr Bhutto’concern that you were planning to reunite the two parts of the country into one, making the current borders between the two countries irrelevant? This incidentaly is the brain child of Dr Manmohan Singh as well.
Rex Minor
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
[[[[[.........and let not a people’s enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice]]]]]]]]]]]
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You have quoted above verse from the Quran, how do you relate it to the Murted Mirjai’s?? You hypocrites have been fully heard and condemned, what more justice do you zindeeq’s ((a people))) expect from Muslims?? Isn’t that kindness enough that you have been given a separate status to enjoy your cult as you like without letting your ”umbrella touch someone else’s nose”????? Grow up , dude, such corny stuff isn’t going to work with us hard medicines. Try some other gimmick or antic, whatever!!
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[[[[Q 5:3: This day I've perfected your religion for you, and completed my favor on you, and chose Islam for you as religion.... ]]]]
What do you say about above??? It clearly says precisely that ”Islam has been perfected and chosen for you Muslims”, which also means that ‘after perfection” NO new prophet will be sent to Muslims. This obviously confirms the falsehood of your faux frofethood Mirza Ghulla and further endorses the fact that the followers of that moron are misled Murteds and zindeeqs.
@ rex minor
I don’t fear the Talibans, they are ‘tame’!!
Are you afraid of your own pet dog?? No one is but if someone is then either of them is rabid!!
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India is promoting Urdu more than anyone else. Watch the so called hindi
movies, they are simply Urdu in substance. Furthermore, watch natgeo, discovery and animal planets and you will find 90 per cent of it dubbed in Urdu under the cover of so called Hindi.
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I am not against any language but Urdu is marvelous!
I love Urdu and preferably Urdu-speaking women of Indoostan!! Punjabi speaking Sikhnee’s are also not bad, i meet them at Jackson Heights many a time a year. They are soooo lovely!
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Mirjai’s …not Ah-mad-is. there is no Islam such as Ah-mad-iya Muslalmani!! this is one more reason to call Mirjai’s Kafirs!
@ Sachbol
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there is nothing wrong in calling the Universal Godhead as Allah or something else. Unlike Jesus whom the Xtians regard as son of gaad, prophet Muhammad explicitly declared that he was a human being just like us and the last messenger of God!!
@ rex minor
{{{{{{{{{{{{{@Mr Syed
So where does one go from here, now that you accept that it is not Jinnah’s Pakstan]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Jinnah can at the most be called as the founder of Pakistan, no more no less. He had the vision to carve a separate homeland for Muslims from the body of Mother Indooostan and he did it. After that he died and couldn’t give any vision for his creation. Neither his associates who lived after him could deliver anything towards vision. Drumming about the ”vision of Jinnah” is a wicked propaganda by the Mirzai’s only for acquiring control over things in muslim majority country of Pakistan, though they also do covertly such acts in India and other places around the world.
”Jinnah’s so called vision” is a part of vicious propaganda mainly by the Mirzai’s followed by a handful of lousy so called ‘liberals and seculars” who when it comes to intermarriage with boys of other faith staightaway back out and piss in their pants!!These rogues have ”picked’ up a political speech of Jinnah to form the basis of their claim ( why not? they are so good at ‘picking’ !!) and to press it continually to make footspace for their propaganda! I have told them severally to post corroborative evidence in support of that speech of jinnah but they never could. the Mirzai’s are losers…and keep barking all the time out of despondency which Mirja ghulla has brought them to burn in hellfire eternally!!
@ Dark Knight
Now stop trying to teach me Arabic and Persian! If the word ‘khatam’ is an Arabic word why do you confuse it with Persian interpretation?? ‘Khatam’ in Urdu also means ”finish’ ‘final’ ‘shut’ …and in Arabic as well as Persian it has the same connotation! you are wickedly trying this word ”khatam” a hue other than generally understood by one and all! Even the best scholars and etymologists of Arabic would say the word ‘khatam’ means the end, finish!
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What would you say when you get engaged to someone??
”LAY MAAN KEE LADLI CHORI YE KHATAM PEHN LAY.” HOW STUPID YOU WOULD LOOK TELLING YOUR FIANCEE THAT KHATAM STOOD FOR A RING, AN ANGHOOTI!!
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THEN DURING YOUR NUPTIAL FLIGHT SHE WILL REMARK:
OAY TIDDAY TU TU ITNI JALDI KHATAM BHI HO GAYA!
Wouldn’t that shame you,namard??
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MORE EXAMPLES:
AAJ TERI MAAN KA KHATAM HAY,
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TU BUS KAY NEECHAY AA KAR KHATAM HO JAYE GA!
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KANGLAY KE PAAS KUCH BHI TU NAHI HE, WO KHATAM KHALAAS HO CHUKA HE!
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MIRZA MARDOOD KA KHAATIM-A-BILQEHR HO CHUKA SANDAAD MIEN!
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AAJ KEE RAAT KHATAM HO JAYE TU MEIN SUBAH TERI CLASS LOON.
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YE KAMBAKHT MIRZAI ZINDEQ AUR MURTED HEIN, KHAATIM-E-IMAAN HEIN!
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DUSHMAN KO KHATAM KAR DO, KE YE MOOZI SAANP HEIN!
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KAAM KHATAM HEE NAHI HO RAHA ,,,KUTTAY KE BACHHAY BHONKNA BAND HEE NAHI KARTER
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you will note that no where the word ”khatam’ or ‘khaatim” or ”khaatam” is used to connote that bloody ANGOOTHI which got stuck in the a**hole of your Murja Ghulla and KHATAMED him in the loo!!
khatam.. FINISH!!
India and its near-abroad
The elephant in the region
Competition with China is making it nicer, but India could do still more to sweeten relations with its neighbours
Feb 18th 2012 | DELHI
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SOUTH ASIA is about the least integrated part of the world. Neighbours supply just 0.5% of India’s imports, and consume less than 4% of its exports. India and Pakistan, mutually antagonistic, account for a fifth of all living humans, yet their bilateral trade is puny, at less than $3 billion a year. The main regional body, the South Asian Association for Regional Co-operation, is an irrelevance. Diplomatic torpor usually reigns in the region: last week, when the elected president of one member country, the Maldives, was toppled in a coup, there was a resounding silence from the neighbours.
India, the regional superpower, is largely to blame. Though it is a democracy and has easily the biggest economy and armed forces in South Asia, it has rarely been a force for good. Instead it has treated the neighbours, by turns, with negligence and high-handedness.
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Ideology and size are largely to blame. Economic self-sufficiency—the doctrine that informed Indian policymaking for nearly half a century after independence—made co-operating with the neighbours unnecessary. And India’s size—its population is seven times that of its nearest neighbour, Pakistan—has encouraged bullying tendencies. It has meddled in Nepal’s politics, and in the early stages of Sri Lanka’s civil war it backed Tamil guerrillas. Even today the opposition in Bangladesh claims nefarious Indian influence, and Pakistan says its old foe is supporting separatists in the province of Baluchistan. It has offered no evidence for the claim. But past Indian arrogance makes neighbours ready to believe anything.
This is an economic as well as a diplomatic problem. Lack of integration helps to keep South Asians poor. By one estimate, without barriers trade between India and Pakistan would grow nearly tenfold. Today the main border-crossing near Pakistan’s eastern city of Lahore is at times almost deserted. If educated Sri Lankans were allowed to work in India, they could get good jobs there instead of having to take menial work in the Gulf, thus easing a growing shortage of skilled Indian workers. A regional energy market could boost prosperity; and Indian engagement in the problem of water-sharing could reduce dangerous tensions on the issue.
As a measure of India’s priorities, consider that the world’s second-most-populous country has no more diplomats than tiny New Zealand. By contrast, China has a huge and sophisticated foreign service, housed in sleek new embassies around the world. And it is partly with an eye to a rising China that India now shows signs of change.
Niceness contest
These days India is putting more effort into improving neighbourly relations (see article), and is dishing out aid to sweeten the air. The foreign minister, S.M. Krishna, vows never to meddle inside another country. This week the trade minister led a business delegation to Lahore. And for all the accusations of anti-Pakistan meddling in Afghanistan, Indian efforts are accomplishing some good there: training police, and building roads and electricity lines. All over the region, India is opening new consulates. It may even recruit more diplomats.
But there is much more that India could do. It should unilaterally boost regional trade by unclogging roads, and by building better ports and freight parks at its borders. Non-tariff barriers—including the one that insists Pakistani cement crosses the border only by train, not lorry—should go. And India could take lessons from other big emerging powers, such as South Africa and Brazil, on how to build relationships in the region. Elephants must learn to move carefully, for fear of causing damage in the neighbourhood”
A Decade Of Gujarat Carnage 2002
By Ram Puniyani
http://www.countercurrents.org/puniyani250212.htm
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A look back at Gujarat pogrom 10 years later
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
[[[[[[[[[I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims,]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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Idiota, Why are you trying to make a DICTATOR out of Jinnah??? He was not beyond accountability and the Parliament is not bound by his words but by the majority vote..
@ Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
[[[[[[Moreover blessed is
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ALLAH]]]]]]]]]]
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Why are you trying to Insult gods of other faiths??? God is God for everyone…
@ AKB
I would like to place few lines for your kind consideration.
In the Holy Quran ch30 vers 41 written follows;
”It is Allah Who has created you and the He has provided you for you; then ” He will cause you to die and then He will bring you to life. Is there any of your so-called associate-gods, who can do any of these things? Glorified be He and exalted far above that which they associate with him”.
With reference of this verse of the Holy Quran, Allah is our God Who is our Creator. He is our Sustainer and Provider; and He possesses complete control over life and death-the three very essential attributes that the Supreme Being Who commands and demands our worship must and does possess.
Note: I am not trying to insult gods of other faiths, but I am introducing NO:1 BIG God Allah of Muhammad the Messenger of Islam.
I concur with what Sachbol says follow;
”Truth is principle which is unchangeable”
”It should be Allah of Muhamamd”.
Remamber:
1. Nothing is itself, True God is Truth, and True God is itself Alive unvisible unchangeable spiritual power NO:1 BIG LORD ALLAH of Muhammad.
2. Allah is our God Who is our Creator. He is our Sustainer and Provider; and He possesses complete control over life and death-the three very essential attributes that the Supreme Being Who commands and demands our worship must and does possess.
@ AKB
I am not Idiota, May be you, Why are you trying to make a DICTATORSHIP out of the Parliament??? The Parliament is not beyond accountability and Jinnah the Founder of Pakistan is not bound by the parliament decision too.
Remanber:
Allah possesses complete control over the members of the Parliament of Pakistan’s life and death.
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