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Are Ahmadis Non-Muslims?

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

(Written exclusively for PakTeaHouse. Please give credit when crossposting)

The poison of ignorance and extremism that Bhutto and General Zia jointly fathered during their dictatorial regimes has fully indoctrinated even those who otherwise describe themselves as educated.

This week the Large Hadron Collider at the CERN inched closer to the discovery of Higgs Boson or the God Particle as it were. In this extraordinary story of human achievement,  Dr. Abdus Salam is a key player who put Pakistan on the map of theoretical physics. In his homeland though, a group of self-styled champions of Islam have started a posthumous campaign of scurrilous slander claiming that Dr. Salam was giving out nuclear secrets. Forget that even a confirmed bigot like General Zia  held a ceremony in our only nobel prize winner’s honour or that no one ever accused Dr. Salam of any such thing; in Pakistan to be a hero you have to actually transfer technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea.

Now consider the case of 11 year old Sitara Akbar. Every Pakistani and his mother in law are citing her as a crowning national achievement, blissfully oblivious of the fact that she is an Ahmadi. To them her religion is suddenly unimportant or irrelevant or is it? How many Sitara Akbars have been expelled from our schools for being Ahmadi? How many productive citizens of this republic have been killed and maimed for believing differently?

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s National Assembly imagined itself the Islamic equivalent of the Council of Nicea. Just as that ancient bastion of Christian orthodoxy excommunicated unitarian Christians for not believing in the trinity of the father, son and the holy ghost, the National Assembly saw it fit to – primarily at the instigation of the Prime Minister and his law minister- declare an entire sect non-Muslim. Just like the post hoc elevation of the principle of trinity at Nicea, Pakistan’s National Assembly located Islam in the principle of the finality of Prophethood.

This act of our sovereign legislature stood in sharp contrast to the view of this nation’s founding father. On 5 May, 1944, in response to demands of the orthodox vis a vis Ahmadis, Jinnah made it absolutely clear that anyone who professes to be a Muslim is a Muslim and welcome in the Muslim League and that those who were raising the issue were trying to divide the Muslims. Here I am forced to say that I am inclined to accept Jinnah’s view and reject the collective wisdom of our sovereign legislature. There are several reasons which may be cited in this regard:

  1. First and foremost Pakistan is bound by the United Nations’ charter. Therefore Pakistan is bound to ensure freedom of religion for all its citizens and freedom of religion means freedom of religion according to the definition of the subject of the said freedom.
  2. Identity is subjective not objective. The state of Pakistan or any other state cannot tell an Ahmadi that he is not a Muslim because it is intrinsic to the faith of an Ahmadi.  This is an inviolable, inalienable right as part of right to life which every state in the world is bound to protect. If Ahmadis say they are Muslims they ought to be accepted as such.
  3. Pakistan is a signatory to the ICCPR and without reservations since June 2011. Therefore every piece of legislation that discriminates against Ahmadis or forces a label upon them is ultra vires the ICCPR.
  4. The Islamic argument: According to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) anyone who utters the Kalima Shahadah is a Muslim. None of the Kalimas, including the Primary Kalima Shahadah contains any reference to the principle of the finality of Prophethood as understood by the Muslim majority today.
  5. Finally because by conduct and promise, Pakistani state is estopped from claiming otherwise. In 1947, Pakistan laid claim to Qadian as a Muslim holy place, a counter-blast to Sikh claims on Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal.  Similarly in 1946 elections which is the basic referendum on the question of Pakistan, Ahmadi votes were instrumental in getting Muslims Pakistan. These are undeniable facts of history.

 

Therefore- fully aware of the stigma attached to this statement- I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.

 

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  1. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Kaal

    I hear you but ahemdis ability to reinterpret jihad is huge and welcome change from traditional Islam. Thats how the dilution starts – may be in the next round we can have death for apostate – rejected. Thats it. Islam without Jihad and no death to apostate, is no threat to humanity – or may be as much threat as Christianity or Hinduism is…

    (btw hindu and hinduism are meaning less words – somebody needs to write a book on it – hinduism is not a religion)

  2. Kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    MTG

    I have always agreed (in fact, argued, to people who don’t know these things) that Ahmadism is by far the biggest challenge that has arisen to Islam in its history. Essentially, Ahmadis turn some of the methods that were used against other religions against Islam itself. Theologically aware Muslims know that. That is why no amount of liberalism will make a difference to (legitimate) Islamic fury against this new religion.

  3. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “Essentially, Ahmadis turn some of the methods that were used against other religions against Islam itself.”
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    So if Islam karey toh sahi… Koi aur karey to Galat?

  4. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @satyamukhi,
    we ahmadis believe there are three kinds if beliefs,
    1,ilm ul yaqeen: the belief that you attain by knowledge.
    2.ain ul yaqeen:the belief that you attain by perceiving, or seeing.
    3.Haq ul yaqeen: the belief on the unknown, the greatest of all beliefs , the most powerful!the belief in the unseen,unheard,spritual god who is entity.
    thats what we believe in now you say know as your gods have started talking from their idols but i dont believe it because i am a believer in whats more realistic.
    My God is one as universe could not be run so smoothly and flawlessly if it had not been in the divine hand of one solidary power!a controller of all and everything. a God so mighty that he cant be defined into any physical or spritaul defination,. he is undefinable, he is mightier than the the mightiest!he is worthy of all praises and human is his most beloved creation!hence human has the obligatioon to give respect and praise god in the same scale in which God has showered his love and mercy on humans, even though its impossible for a man to ever return God’s favours but he is obligated to strive to please God!
    so when you say your rishis have been disrespected by ahmadis by giving them status of prophet as they are gods!and as you say you dont believe it, you know it, but even then religion is set of beliefs and there always things in every religions that are undecisive, unclear and we all have to believe in them as God the all knowing is saying them , who is actually the knower of all!! and we ahmadi muslims have the highest of all beliefs on our one, sole God! the HAQ-UL-YAQEEN

  5. MilesToGo United States Opera Windows says:

    mahee

    stay safe…

  6. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @satyamukhi,
    we ahmadis believe there are three kinds if beliefs,
    1,ilm ul yaqeen: the belief that you attain by knowledge.
    2.ain ul yaqeen:the belief that you attain by perceiving, or seeing.
    3.Haq ul yaqeen: the belief on the unknown, the greatest of all beliefs , the most powerful!the belief in the unseen,unheard,spritual god who is entity.
    thats what we believe in now you say know as your gods have started talking from their idols but i dont believe it because i am a believer in whats more realistic.
    My God is one as universe could not be run so smoothly and flawlessly if it had not been in the divine hand of one solidary power!a controller of all and everything. a God so mighty that he cant be defined into any physical or spritaul defination,. he is undefinable, he is mightier than the the mightiest!he is worthy of all praises and human is his most beloved creation!hence human has the obligatioon to give respect and praise god in the same scale in which God has showered his love and mercy on humans, even though its impossible for a man to ever return God’s favours but he is obligated to strive to please God!
    so when you say your rishis have been disrespected by ahmadis by giving them status of prophet as they are gods!and as you say you dont believe it, you know it, but even then religion is set of beliefs and there always things in every religions that are undecisive, unclear and we all have to believe in them as God the all knowing is saying them , who is actually the knower of all!!
    And we Ahmadi muslims have the highest of all beliefs on our one, sole God! the HAQ-UL-YAQEEN: we remain firm on it, we pray to an unseen god five times a day, we try to thank him as much as we can for his countless blessings that reach us through unknown channels!we have the highest regard for our one GOD that IS ALLAH (s.w.t).
    so yes, you might your rishis and gurus cannot be appreciated as God in our circle in any way!it,s not possible our God ONE ALLAH has no match as this universe which is so vast that reaching from one end of the universe to other requires an estimated 20 billion year time if we travel on the speed of light so yes our senses donot allow us to give the same respect to your gurus and rishis who no matter what came in this world like humans, and died like human and were buried in the ground humans, our brain cannot comprehend a human as God even unconciously.
    but we actually belive in the love!! GOD has for his special people, and we respect hindu holy founders as TRUE men of GOD, and we believe that what is written in vedas” your holy scripture was GOD speaking through his holy men, Ram, and Krishna ! because another HOLY man Of God Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed(a.s) certified this to us , and where does he get to know this from, well he gets to know this from again the same one source ,One GOd Allah (s.w.t) talking to his chosen man, to guide us the humanity.
    there is an incident related to this of Hazrat Mujadid Alf sani, another mystic, true lover of God, who went in the mountains for isolation and pray to God for 40 days, and you know what he sees through these mountains where hes busy remmemberign ALLAH , he sees two bright lights coming out of this region of subcontinent and going towards the sky, he asks God what it is, and he is told its the remaining noor”divine light” given to the great prophets who have come from this region, one was Ram chandra and the other was Krishna (a.s)! so yes we believe in them as being true holy men of God and we will uphold their name in this stature!
    all i wish here by writing again and again ,satyamukhi is to clear your derogatory remark as to in any way we are insulting them.No, we are not and yes we respect them as what our strongest of all beliefs has lead us to, holy men of GOD have come in all times all races and should be respected for the same reason as they have been coming in humanity from among their own to guide them with divine nourishment form GOD! towardS righteounsness,piety, and to exterminte evil!as per the will of ONE GOD..and as ahmadi muslim i have my sincerest devotion towards all of them.

  7. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @KAAL CHAKRA AND MAGGU;
    AS PER YOUR COMMENT ***///“Essentially, Ahmadis turn some of the methods that were used against other religions against Islam itself.”???***
    AHMADIS ARE NOT AGAINST ISLAM,AHMADIS ARE THE TRUE FOLLWERS OF ISLAM!AHMADIS ARE MUSLIMS BY HEART,BY FAITH AND BY NAME!THEY DONT NEED ANY CERIFICATION,IT,S MATTER FOR GOD TO DECIDE, WHO IS REAL MUSLIM AND WHO IS NOT!IN THE 73 SECTS OF MUSLIMS , ALREADY SO MANY DIFFERENCES HAVE DEVELOPED, THAT ITS ONLY GOD WHO KNOWS WHO HAS THE REAL ISLAM!
    AHMADIS, ARE STRIVING FOR PROTECTI9ON OF TRUE SPIRIT OF ISLAM!NO WHERE HAVE THEY USED ANY METHODS AGAINST ISLAM! COMING OF IMAM MEHDI HAZRAT MESSIH MAUOOD , MIRZA GHULAM AHMED IN ISLAM, IS ENOGH TO SAY HOW MUCH WE ARE IN FAVOUR OF ISLAM !
    THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE THAT HAZRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD(A.S) HAS SHOWN FOR HAZRAT MUHAMMED(S.A.W) IS ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN HOW TRUELY ISLAMIC PERSON HE WAS!TO THE EXTENT THAT HE LOST HIS PERSON IN PERSONA OF MUHAMMED,HIS DEVOTION FOR MUHAMMED s.A.w,WAS SO INTENSE SO DEEP THAT HE GOT MERGED IN THE SOUL OF PROPHET (FANAA).
    BEFORE DECLARATION OF PROPHETHOOD, HE WAS KNOWN AS THE MOST REMARKABLE ISLAMIC SCHOLAR OF SUBCONTINENT!THE UNBEATABLE ONE, THE CHAMPION OF ISLAM IN SUBCONTINENT!
    HIS INTERPRETATION OF HASTI BAARI TAALA,FROM THE WISDOM OF QURAN AND HADEES IS THE BEST EXPLAINATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD,ANY SCHOLAR CAN GIVE. ANY ISLAMIC SCHOLAR CAN UNQUESTIONABLY, UNDOUBTEDLY AGREE ON HIS EXPLAINATION AS WHAT GOD IS IN ISLAM!
    IF ONLY ISLAMIC SCHOLARS ARE AGAINST AHMADIYYAT, DOESNT MEAN AHMADIS ARE AGAINST ISLAM. ITS THE MAULVIS WHO HAVE BEEN USING THOSE TACTICS TIME AND AGAIN AGAINST AHMADIS BUT AHMADIS HAVE BEEN PERSEVERANT ON THE RESTORATION OF TRUE ISLAM.
    AHMADIS HAVE STRIVED FOR UPHOLDING THE QURAN AND AHADEES, AND HAZRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMED (A.) WITH HIS REVELATIONS HAS THROWN FURTHER LIGHT ON THOSE CONFUSIONS, AND DIFFERENCES THAT HAVE DEVELOPED IN ISLAM OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT HAVE TO LEAD TO CREATION OF SO MANY SECTS, WHICH IS SHAMEFUL!
    MUSLIMS SAY THAT THEY BELIEVE IN QURAN AND AHADEES, YET THEY HAVE DEVELOPED SO MANY DIFFERENCES AMONGST THEMSELVES, BECAUSE MISINTERPRETATIONS OF THE HOLY WORDS OF QURAN AND AHADEES.HAZRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD(AS) WAS SENT TO CLARIFY ALL THOSE DIFFERENCES AND CONFUSIONS AND BRING ALL MUSLIMS TOGETHER UNDER ONE SECT, OF TRUE ISLAM, AND HE HAS SUCCECCFULLY DONE IT.WE AHMADIS ARE SUPPOSED TO PROFESS AND PROPAGATE HIS MESSAGE AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH GOD’S WILL TO ENLIGHTEN OTHER MINDS…

  8. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Milestogo

    I AM SURE YOU WILL READ MY POST NOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU LIKE OR DISLIKE….I DON’T MIND YOUR GRUDGE AGAINST MUSLIMS AND ISLAM BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE OLDEST HINDU TRADITION.

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    BUT WHATEVER YOU ARE YOU ARE THE ADHERENT OF A VIVID CREED OR BELIEF OF YOURS…AND AM GLAD YOU ARE NOT A BLOODY DEVIATE ONE..LIKE THE DEVIATE AND UNFAITHFUL MIRZAI’S.

    .CARRY ON!!! DILLI DOOR HE ..JAANA ZAROOR HE!! HUM AA REHAY HEIN..MECCA TU PEHLAY HEE HAMARA HE BETA!!

  9. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ mahee

    NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN YOUR DIATRIBE…RHETORICAL AND ABSURD ALL THE TIME.
    MIRJAI’S ARE THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL OF ALL …..EVEN WORSE THAN THE JEWS OR WAHABI’S.

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    GOING BY YOUR LOGIC EVEN RAAM KRISHNA WOULD BE KAFIRS!! HU!

  10. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    TO ALL MIRJAI’S AND KAFIRS (BY MIRJAI STANDARD) HERE !!

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    It is only the great men who are truly obscene. If they had not dared to be obscene, they could never have dared to be great.
    Havelock Ellis

  11. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    FOR A SMILE!!
    .

    Ikk Sardarji nay doojay noo puchheya: “Yaar saaday har note tay tasveer vich Gandhiji hass rahay hunday nay.
    Amreeka da dollar vekho, Lincoln kadee naheen hassda. Aehdi kee vajah aey?”

    Doojay Sardarji nay javaab ditta, “Oye khotay tainoo ainna vee naheen pata? Amreeka diyaan aurataan kadee
    paisay apni bra vich naheen rakhdiyaan”

  12. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

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    Judgment of Supreme Court of Pakistan
    IN THE SUPREME COURT OF PAKISTAN
    (Appellate Jurisdiction)
    Present:

    Mr. Justice Shafiur Rahman,
    Mr. Justice Abdul Qadeer Chaudhry,
    Mr. Justice Muhammad Afzal Lone,
    Mr. Justice Saleem Akhtar,
    Mr. Justice Wali Muhammad Khan
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    It was also argued that the phrase ‘glory of law’ as used in Article 19 of the Constitution cannot be availed with regard to the rights conferred in Article 20. Article 19 which guarantees freedom of speech, expression and press makes it subject to reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the interest of glory of Islam etc., and decency or morality. The restrictions given therein cannot, undoubtedly, be imported into any other fundamental right. Anything, in any fundamental right, which violates the Injunctions of Islam thus must be repugnant. It must be noted here that the Injunctions of Islam, as contained in Quran and the Sunnah, guarantee the rights of the minorities also in such a satisfactory way that no other legal order can offer anything equal. It may further be added that no law can violate them.

    It is not correct to say that ‘Azan’ is not mentioned in the Ordinance. In fact sub-section (2) of Section 298-B is exclusively devoted to it. As about the use of ‘Kalima’ by the Ahmadis, in the light of the Ordinance, reference be made to Section 28-C. The ‘Kalima’ is a covenant, on reciting which a non-believer enters the fold of Islam. It is in Arabic form, is exclusive to Muslims who recite it, not only as proof of their faith but very often, for spiritual well being. The ‘Kalima’ means there is no Go but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet. The belief of Quadianis is that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is (God forbid) Muhammad incarnate. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote in his book, Aik Ghalti Ka Izala, page 4, 3rd Edition, published Rabwah, that:
    “in the revelation of verse 48:29, (Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle …. ) Allah named him Muhammad”,.

    81. In the Akhbar Badar’, Qadian, dated October 25, 1906, there is a poem, written by Qazi Zahooruddin Akmal, former editor of ‘Review of Religions’, a couplet of which states:
    “Muhammad has come back to us, with higher glory and one who wants to see Muhammad accomplished, should go to Qadian. ”

    This poem was read to Mirza Sahib and he appreciated it. Again in Arbaeen, vol. 4 page 17, he wrote:
    “The rays of sun cannot be endured now and we need soothing light, which I am, in the form of Ahmad’.

    In Khutba Ilhamia, page 171, he declared:
    “One who distinguishes between me and Muhammad, he has neither seen me nor known me.”

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad further announced:
    “I am the accomplishment of the name of Muhammad, i.e. I am shadow of Muhammad”. (See Ha’shin Haqiqatul Wahi, page 72): “I am in view of the verse 62:3 (It is He who has sent forth among the unlettered an apostle of their own to recite to them His revelations to purify them and instruct them in scriptures and wisdom … ); I am the same last Prophet incarnate and God named me in Braheene Ahmadia’ Muhammad and Ahmad, and declared me as personified Muhammad…… (See Aik Ghalti Ka Izala, pages 10-11, published Rabwah).

    “I am that mirror which reflects exactly the person and the prophethood of Muhammad”. (Nazulul Masih, page 48, published Qadian, 1909.)

    In the light of what has been said above, there is general consensus among Muslims that whenever, as Ahmadi recites or displays ‘Kalima’, he proclaims that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Prophet who should be obeyed and the one who does not do that is an infidel. In the alternative, they pose as Muslims and deceive others. Lastly, they either ridicule Muslims or deny that the teachings of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) do not govern the situation. So whatever the situation, the commission of the offense, one way or the other, may be proved.

    82. Not only that Mirza Sahib, in his writings, tried to belittle the glory and grace of the Holy Prophet(pbuh), he even ridiculed him occasionally. In Ha’shia Tuhfa Golria’ page 165, Mirza Sahib wrote that:
    “the Holy Prophet could not conclude that propagation of Islam and I complete the same”.

    Again said:
    “the Holy Prophet could not understand some of the revelations and he made many mistakes. (See Izalatul Auham, Lahori Press)”.

    He further said:
    “the Holy Prophet had 3 thousands miracles” (See Tuhfa Golria page 67 – published Rabwah) “while I have one million signs”. (See Braheen Ahmadia, page 56). “The Holy Prophet used to eat cheese made by Christians to which they added the pig’s fat”.

    Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote in his book ‘Kalimatul Fasal’ page 113, that:
    “when Mirza Sahib was bestowed with prophethood, he had attained all the spiritual heights of the Muhammad’s Prophethood and was qualified to be called Prophet incarnate and he went so ahead that he stood side by side with Muhammad (pbuh).”

    There are many more writings like that but this record may not be burdened further.

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    recognized restrictions already? It will be appreciated that some of the epithets, descriptions and titles etc., as given in Section 298B have been used by Quran for specific personages (See 33; 32, 33:54 and 9: 100) while others undoubtedly and rather admittedly being used by the Muslims, for those mentioned there, exclusively for last about 1400 years. These epithets carry special meaning, are part of the Muslim belief and used for reverence. Any person using them for others, in the same manner, may be conveying impression to others that they are concerned with Islam when the fact may be otherwise.

    It is to be noted that it is not only in Pakistan but throughout the world, that laws protect the use of words and phrases which have special connotations or meaning and which if used for other may amount to deceiving or misleading the people. The English Company Law lays down that a name must not be misleading or suggest a connection with the Crown, a Government Department, or a municipality, and only in exceptional circumstances will names be allowed which include “Imperial”, “Commonwealth”, “National”, or “International”. The use of word’s “Cooperative” and “Building Society” is also forbidden. The most important is the rule that the name will be refused registration if it is too like the name of an existing company. These provisions have been strictly applied and were never challenged in a Court of law or the Parliament.
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    It is thus clear that intentionally using trade names, trade marks, property marks or descriptions of others in order to make believe others that they belong to the user thereof amounts to an offense and not only the perpetrator can be imprisoned and fined but damages can be recovered and injunction to restrain him issued. This is true of goods of even very small value. For example, the Coca Cola Company will not permit anyone to sell, even a few ounces of his own product in his own bottles or other receptacles, marked Coca Cola, even though its price may be a few cents. Further, it is a criminal offense carrying sentences of imprisonment and also fine. The principles involved are: do not deceive and do not violate the property rights of others.

    Generally speaking, the people who are deceiving others with falsified names are being discouraged, even though the loss may be in terms of pennies. In our case, a law has been made to protect even the title an of Quaid-e-Azam, without any challenge from any quarter. However, in this Ideological State, the appellants, who are non-Muslims want to pass off their faith as Islam? It must be appreciated that in this part of the world, faith is still the most precious thing to a Muslim believer, and he will not tolerate a government which is not prepared to save him of such deceptions or forgeries.

    The appellants, on the other hand, insist not only for a license to pass off their faith as Islam but they also want to attach the exclusive epithets and descriptions etc., of the very revered Muslim personages to those heretic non-Muslims, who are considered not even a patch on them. In fact the Muslim treat it as defiling and desecration of those personages. Thus, the insistence on the part of the appellants and their community to use the prohibited epithets and the ‘Shaa’ire Islam leave no manner of doubt, even to a common man, that the appellants want to do so intentionally and it may, in that case amount to not only defiling those pious personages but deceiving others. And, if a religious community insists on deception as its fundamental right and wants assistance of courts in doing the same, then God help it. It has been held by the United States Supreme Court in Cantwell vs. Connecticut (310 U – S – 296 at 306) that “the cloak of religion or religious belief does not protect anybody in committing fraud upon the public”.
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    It was argued that the finding of the Federal Shariat Court that the Ordinance is not contrary to Quran and Sunnah is of no consequence, so far as this Court is concerned.

    The contention, however, has no merit. The Ahmadis have been declared non-Muslims by Article 260(3)(b) of the Constitution. This fact has further been affirmed by the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan, in Mujibur Rehman vs. Federal Government of Pakistan and another (PLD 1985 FSC 8), for the reason that the Ahmadia do not believe in the finality of prophethood of Muhammad (Peace be upon him); they falsify a clear and general verse of Holy Quran by resort to its “Taweel”; and import into Islam, heretic concepts like shadowism, incarnation and transmigration.

    They were, therefore, asked to restrain themselves from directly or indirectly posing as Muslims or claiming legal rights of Muslims.
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    As regards ‘Shaa’ir of Islam’ (distinctive characteristics), the Court held that Islamic Charia does not allow a non-Muslim to adopt them and if an Islamic State, in spite of its being in power, allows a non-Muslim to adopt them (without embracing Islam), it will be its failure to discharge its duties. An Islamic state, like a secular state, thus has the power to legislate, to prevent non-Muslims from adopting Shaa’ire’ Islam, to propagate their own beliefs. As said above, such restriction will be meant to prevent unscrupulous and fraudulent non-Muslim from using the effective and attractive features of Islam in order to attract other non-Muslims not to Islam but to their own heretic fold. It was further held that claim could not be allowed to be pressed on the basis of the Fundamental rights.
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    Justice Huges in Willis Cox. v. New Hampshire (1941 (312) US 569) also enlightened the same subject to say:
    “A statute requiring persons using the public streets for a parade or procession to procure a special license therefor from the local authorities, does not constitute an unconstitutional interference with religious worship or the practice of religion, as applied to a group marching along a sidewalk in single file carrying signs and playcards advertising their religious beliefs.”

    We have referred to the above view from such countries, which claim to be the secular and liberal, and not religious or fundamentalists. The same principles were applied by the Indian Supreme Court in Muhammad Hanif Qureshi and others vs. State of Bihar (AIR 1958 S.C. 73 1) to hold that certain laws banning slaughter of certain animals, did not violate the fundamental rights of Muslims under Article 25(l), as there was no material to substantiate the claim that the sacrifice of a cow on Bakr-ld-Day, was enjoined or sanctioned by Islam, to exhibit a Mussalman’s belief and idea

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    The American Court held in the following cases that there was no violation of constitutional guarantee of freedom of exercise of religion. Mr. S. Sharifuddin Pirzada in his book “Fundamental Rights and Constitutional Remedies in Pakistan” (1966 Edition) at pp. 313-314 and 317 has observed as follows:
    “(i) In Hamilton vs. Board of Regents of University of Califomia, (1934) 293 US 245, where students appealed to the Supreme Court that the act of the university to make a regulation for compulsory military training was contrary to their religious belief, the court rejected the contention, holding that the “Government owes a duty to the people within its jurisdiction to preserve itself in adequate strength to maintain peace and order and assure the enforcement of law. And every citizen owes the reciprocal duty, according to his capacity, to support and defend the Government against all enemies.”

    (ii) The plea of fundamental right was rejected in Commonwealth vs. Plaisted {(1889) 148 Mass. 375}, by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in a case where law prohibits the use of streets for religious meetings, or the beating of drums though it is a part of religious ceremony of such organization as the salvation army.

    (iii) Where the statute requires a parent to provide medical treatment for a child suffering from disease even if not in accordance with religious belief of the parents.

    (iv) Freedom of religion does not necessarily imply absolute equality of treatment, and in fact regard must be had to the special position of Church of England. (“The United Kingdom” by G.W. Keeton and D. Lloyd, pp. 67-68).

    The above views, as they are prevalent, in the above jurisdiction, do go to show that freedom of religion would not be allowed to interfere with the law and order or public peace and tranquillity. It is based on the principle that the state will not permit anyone to violate or take away the fundamental rights of others, in the enjoyment of his own rights and that no one can be allowed to insult, damage or defile the religion of any other class or outrage their religious feelings, so as to give rise to law and order situation. So whenever or wherever the state has reasons to believe, that the peace and order will be disturbed or the religious feelings of others may be injured, so as to create law and order situation, it may take such minimum preventive measures as will ensure law and order.

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    Allama lqbal says,
    “I became suspicious of the Quadiani movement when the claim of new prophethood, superior even to the prophethood of the Founder of Islam, was definitely put forward, and Muslim world was declared ‘Kafir’ (infidel). Later, my suspicion developed into a positive revolt when I heard with my own ears an adherent of the movement mentioning the Holy Prophet of Islam in a disparaging language”. (See Thoughts and Reflection of Iqbal, page 297-1973 Edition).
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    “This discussion has been going on since the days of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad whether the Ahmadis should have their permanent places of theological learning or not. One view was against it. Their argument was that the few differences between the Ahmadis and Muslims had been resolved by Hazrat Sahib and he has taught the reasons also. As regards the others they can be learned in the other schools. The other view was for it. Then Mirza Sahib came to clarifies that it was incorrect to say that the differences of Ahmadis with the Muslims were only about the death of Jesus Christ and some other issues. According to him, the differences encompassed the entity of Almighty Allah, the person of the Holy Prophet, Quran, Prayers, Fasting, Pilgrimage and Zakat. He then explained every item in detail.”

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    It is thus clear that according to Ahmadis themselves, both the section i.e., Ahmadis and the main body cannot be Muslims at the same time. If one is Muslim, the other is not. Further, the Ahmadis always wanted to be a separate entity and claim a status, distinct and separate from the others. The main body of Muslims also never wanted to stand with Ahmadis on the same pedestal. Way back, as reported above, the Ahmadis were prepared even to be treated as a minority with separate and distinct rights. They, as a religious community are, rather opposed to Muslims and have always endeavored not to mix with them. In fact they declared the whole Muslim ‘Ummah’ as infidels, as said above. However, they being an insignificant minority could not impose their will. On the other hand, the main body of Muslims, who had been waging a campaign against their (Ahmadis’) religion, since its inception, made a decision in 1974, and declared them instead, a non-Muslim minority, under the Constitution itself. As seen above, it was not something sudden, new and undesirable but one of their own choice; only the sides were changed. The Ahmadis are, therefore, non-Muslims; legally and constitutionally and are, of their own choice, a minority opposed to Muslims. Consequently, they have no right to use the epithets etc., and the ‘Shaa’ire Islam, which are exclusive to Muslims and they have been rightly denied their use by law.

  13. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    HOW MUCH THE DEVIATE MIRZAI’S OF QADIAN REVERE PROPHET MUHAMMAD..
    AN EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT BY THE GREAT PHILOSOPHER AND POET OF THE EAST
    .
    Allama lqbal says,
    “I became suspicious of the Quadiani movement when the claim of new prophethood, superior even to the prophethood of the Founder of Islam, was definitely put forward, and Muslim world was declared ‘Kafir’ (infidel). Later, my suspicion developed into a positive revolt when I heard with my own ears an adherent of the movement mentioning the Holy Prophet of Islam in a disparaging language”. (See Thoughts and Reflection of Iqbal, page 297-1973 Edition).

    .

    SHAME ON YOU MIRZAI DEVIATES FOR BLATANTLY LYING AND MAKING FALSE CLAIMS.
    MIRZAI’S ARE A DOUBLE FACED MONSTERS, TURNCOATS, CHEATS AND LIARS….THE ILLICIT OFFSPRING OF MULLA GHULLA OF QADIANS AND HIS HERESY.

    SATAN….

  14. KafirInfidel United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    SATYAMUKHI JEE KYA BAAT HAI AAPKEE,…….The Hindu’s indeed are the most weirdest and sickest animals on the planet, The hindus were created…… listen to this…. their god brahma use to masterbate and save his sperm in a cup,( according to the hindu religious books) then one day this sprem turned into a living being, yes it was a daughter that was created from his spunk, and when his daughter turned 6 years of age, the Mr god hehehehe:D fooked her and raped her. But HINDU FATHERS ARE STILL RAPING THEIR DAUGHTERS AND NIECES GRAND DAUGHTERS EVEN TODAY, EVERY HINDU IS DOING THIS TO HIS DAUGHTER OR GRAND DAUGHTER. Below is just to prove this fact:

    You can’t open Indian newspapers these days without reading about a HINDU father raping his daughter.

    * First, it was the Mumbai businessman Kishore Chauhan, who was arrested AND CHARGED for raping his two young daughters. The older girl (now 21) was raped for nine years while her younger sister’s nightmare is said to have started recently. The younger girl is 17-years-old now. Besides the father, the family tantrik (astrologer) was also raping the older girl with the mother’s consent.

    * As if one paternal rape incident were not bad enough, then came reports that an Amritsar BJP LEADER Ashok Taneja had been arrested following a complaint from his 20-year-old daughter that her father had been raping her for eight years. Yes, eight years.

    * Another incident, Radheshyam Shiv of Hingna (near Nagpur) was arrested and punished for raping his eldest daughter, who is 15-years-old. The girl has accused her father of raping her for four years.

    A European survey revealed that on average 1 hindu daughter is raped by her father every 12 seconds. According to hindus this is totally normal as their gods were practicing this very same act. The other hindu custom that often hits the international headlines is the satti devi one, where the father inlaw burns his sons widow and then married his grand daughters.
    KafirInfidel
    East Brunswick, NJ

  15. Syed United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    @Milestogo
    //…We can’t leave everything to Allah…//
    Wherever Allah has given you the freedom of choice, there you are responsible. When it comes to the final judgement, it will be Allah’s whether one chooses to leave it to Him or not.
    @Kaalchakra
    //…you must read what Mr Ahmad said about others…//
    There are no “others”. We Ahmadis are Muslims. We believe that all messengers of God were sent by the same One God. Ahmadi Muslims believe that Hazrat Musa (Moses), Hazrat Isa (Jesus), Hazrat Krishna, Hazrat Rama, Hazrat Buddha and Hazrat Zartusht were all true Men of God and His messengers. We believe this because this is how Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has explained the Islamic concept of the Universality of Divine Guidance to us. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Ahmad has also taught us that Hazrat Baba Guru Nanak was one of the greatest mystics ever and a truly holy person. I assure you, this is not to please or pacify our non-Muslim brethren. This is what we believe, and we respect your right to believe in whatever you choose.
    @Styamukhi
    //..Ahmadis keep insulting Indic holy Rishis, Gurus and others by mentioning them along side their so called Prophetic figures…//
    Calling someone a “Prophet” or a “Messenger of God” can not rationally be treated as an insult because this is the most exalted and honorable spiritual station that any person can achieve.
    //…Knowers cannot be compared with so called believers as beliefs are blind in nature while Knowledge shines bright…//
    Belief has several stages. The highest level of belief is “absolute certainty”. We believe that all Men of God achieve certainty (yaqeen) and knowledge (maarifat).
    //…Ahmadis are simply Doglas and Ahmaks always indulging in deception…//
    Oops !

  16. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vejr2_PXVQo&feature=share&list=PLBBC08EE65BA5B781

    one of my all time fav..enjoy

    wish yeshu would have sung more in hindi…

  17. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    who says wahabis are not beautiful people?

  18. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Bhura bhura – itni joravari mat dikhao…ma khan saab se mafi mango, aur ye dekho

    http://youtu.be/XaK8cqg4xv0

    enjoy!

  19. Kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Maggu

    “So if Islam karey toh sahi… Koi aur karey to Galat?”

    Galat aur sahi ki baat nahi hai. Mine was merely a factual statement: Ahmadi methods are so trite and commonplace in the history of religion that they can convince only naive non-Muslims, or those Muslims who are Muslims in name alone.

    —————-

    By the way, if this brings any solace to various enemies of Islam – Ahmadis will not go away. Many people born in Muslim households now wish to be Muslims in name alone. They don’t really believe in any fundamental aspect of Islam – except as some vague woolly generalities and trivialities which they have never thought through. These people will increasingly assert that Islam be turned into a grab-bag shadow of Hinduism – wherein it is enough that a person identities himself or herself as so and so.

    Once that happens, that will be the death of Islam. For, ‘be-Hindu-by-calling-yourselves-Hindu’ property of Hinduism that many ‘Muslims’ wish to imitate arises from very specific Hindu belief systems. One can’t adopt that aspect of Hinduism without turning, essentially, into Hindu oneself – albeit, with an Arabized set of names.

    These ‘identity-Muslims’ will fight to protect Ahmadis because they see the bitter Ahmadi-Muslim battles as proxies for their own battles – ones they would like to fight but lacking any coherent ideological framework of their own, are unable to.

    In fact, PTH’s active support to Ahmadis is a cry for that freedom from Islam – presented differently.

  20. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “is a cry for that freedom from Islam – presented differently.”
    .
    Is that a Freudian slip or a statement of fact? You only want freedom for oppression/slavery……

  21. KafirInfide United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    rex,maggu,akb,pankaj,mtb,mahee,understand india,

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/

    KafirInfidel
    East Brunswick, NJ

  22. kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    No Freudian slip there, madam.

  23. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @maggu,
    @kaal chakra,
    i am really seeing some deeply offensive remarks AGAINST PAKISTAN and ahmadis as well!it would be appreciated for you two to keep the environment of this as peaceful as possible! as nno matter how obscene you get, it will not do us ahmadis any harm neither will it enrage us in any way!
    if you have any solid argument to bring on table, then dont hesitate at all, it is more than welcome.ahmaddiyyat is the true face of islam and it will propagate peace no matter how far they have to go for it!
    What i see here is your immense amusement at the fact that we ahmadis have given a very honourable status in our faith to your prophets ram and krishna.But it,s the beauty of ahmaddiyyat and a miracle of Hazrat MIRZA Ghulam Ahmed a.s, for making this clarification on command of ALLAH.you have to accept this as a faovur of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed on your community, why so much resistance to such a huge effort made on our behalf from divine commandement of god!to bridge the gaps between various religions of the world!why is it so unacceptable and undigestable for you!hass the baal thakrey culture made your judgement so hazy that you cannot see this wonderful pact of making peace and coming together as one humanity. your belief that pth is suppporting us to get freedom from islam, shows a very biased indian talking.im sure you are better than that!
    pth is a secular place, of “intellectuals” ,moderates and modern individuals who have been blessed with the priceless pearls of knowledge, thankfully they are not from your biased hindi community neither from biggotted mullah crux!they are the wise ones and to represent them i would like to quote this very first ayat of quran revealed on Holy Prophet pbuh, that says “read, oh muhammed read” and and when holy prophet Muhammed said “attain knowledge , no matter if you have to go to china” they are the true followers of this precious command that Muhammed(s.a.w)gave for the for his ummat!
    their mind is open, and they have used it very rightly to judge whats right and whats wrong! its their open mind and enlightenment from “ilm” learning which has lead to support ahmadis as they feel, what maulvis have done with ahmadis was totally unethical,unlawful and rather barbaric.if they were fed up of islam then trust me when i say ahmaddiyyat is not the place they would have gone to!because when you “READ” the ahmmadi philosphy you’ll get to know we are more islamic than any islamist of saudi arabia!the language we speak is quran and ahadees,just because we accept hinduism, sikhism,zorosrianism as divine religions doesnot make us bad muslims or anti islamic!that is your pereption that is not digesting it, we have no issues in believing what seems to be appropriate.
    you must also read, strive for wisdom before passing derogatory remarks!

  24. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    people who quote ALLAMA IQBAL ,agian and again fail to understand that man was a real philospher and thinker and one of the best poets , east ever got, so yes he accepted ahmaddiyyat ! what he over saw after accepting ahmaddiyyat, was his stupendous and unique, peice of writing going down the drain!
    he saw the hatred people of Pakistan had for ahmaddis and if only his name has so much power in this state right now is because of the fact that he denounced ahmmadiyyat!because people of pakistan have been so smooth. and flawless in making wrong judgements, choosing wrong leaders, upholding wrong heros! The price any wisest of wise on this land has to give, to rightfully aclaim his fame in this nation is be from the lawful muslim sect,most importantly a sunni muslim side. there is no question about his brightness,his meticuliety, his extraordinary talents,the first question pakistan would ask him before any appreciation to be dispersed upon,is that what sect you are from? and do you denounce mirza ghula ahmed as prophet??
    so , in this nation where gems like sir Zafarullah Khan, and Abdusalam , one for his exceptional leadership qualities and one for his exceptional genius are given zero percent credit!where, mediocrity of the country has been kept so un anware from these big names of pakistani history, that the common man and his generations to come would never be able to follow these great examples and role models and get inspired!ask a lame person of pakistan about a pakistani who got noble prize he would be surprised! thats the level of shit pakistan is in because of ignorance.
    Hence, i back ALLAMA Iqbal”s decision, to back off from ahmaddiyyat his words deserved acclaim,deserved to be studied deserved to appreciated,deserved to followed! for all the noble work he has done, for his priceless motivational writing for the youth of pakistan and tonnes of favour he has given pakistan this one selfish act will most probably be forgiven, hope fully!
    But, who is going to ask what crime Abdus SALAM , HAD COMMITED TO BE SO BETRAYED BY HIS NATION!DIDNT HE DESERVE SOME SUPPORT FOR RISING TOO THIS AUSPICIOUS STATUS FROM A SMALL RURAL AREA OF OF PUNJAB!THE PEOPLE OF PUNJAB DESERVED TO KNOW HIS INSPIRING STORY AND FOLLOW HIS LEAD BUT JUST LIKE HIS NAME WAS KEPT IN DARK FROM THIS NATION THE NATION’S FUTURE HAS INEVITABLY GONE IN DARK TOO….
    Making people like Mumtaz Qadri our heroes is really telling us alot as to wich direction we are heading!!

  25. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ mahee

    stop trying yo make a fool of yerself again and again..Allam Iqbal never endorsed Mirjaism. Produce some authentic evidence to prove your point or just don’t try to be a smart alec.
    .
    Qadri was one of your kind…a fundamentalist. All Pakistani muslims are not with Qadri and what he did was his individual act comparable to Ilm din or Bhagat singh. You talk like an idiot…twisting things and saying such things which outrightly go against you…

  26. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Mahee

    Zafarullah khan was a moron who led to the creation of Israel. Ask YLH….as he has the time and energy to dig up archives and narrate history with his typical anti Islamic sentiments.

  27. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Mahee

    salam was a physicist and a teacher who was awarded nobel by his old farangi masters. Because he was a deviate he is also taken as a pariah heretic in all Muslims who condemn him for his apostasy and narrow mindedness towards Muslims and pakistan.

  28. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Syed

    don’t talk rubbish and listen to Kalachakra….his arguments carry weight and you don’t have a leg to stand upon. Stop lying before the evidence against you. how could you be Muslims if all muslims were ‘infidels” and ‘kafirs”??? Who the hell is mirja ghulla of qadian to compel others to believe in him to ratify their faith?? Nobody likes your thinking..for heavens sake don’t teach granny to suck eggs!! Post only sensible arguments reflecting commonsense if you want people to listen to your baloney. You can fool new Muslims but not the old ones…because they know islam better than you, eventhough they might not be its strict followers.
    But islam continues to flourish and is the fastest growing religion in the US , nay all over the world. Today the famous japanese wrestler Antonio Inoki embraced Islam (not Mirjaism) and changed his name to Mohd Hussain Inoki. A Japnese like him and many other converts in the world are not as foolish as you to subdue to the compulsion of accepting the deviate he5retic Mirja ghulla to have their islam certified, they don;t need to do it , why you???

    .

  29. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ KafirInfidel

    the incidents reported by you do not represent the bulk of Hindus, so better refrain from posting odd incidents with a view to malign any religion. I would ask mtg to observe the same policy and avoid posting unnecessary cut and paste stuff or videos from the web…as all that doesn;t go to impressing anyhone..and anyone can post from the dunghouse of web to the contrary.

  30. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    WHY CAN’T THE MIRJAI’S WIN HEARTS UNIVERSALLY???
    NOBODY IS GOING TO OFFER THEM A FREE LUNCH!!
    .

    Overwhelming majorities in the UK and other western European countries believe Palestinians should have their own state and want their governments to vote for recognition of Palestine at the United Nations at the end of the month, according to latest polls.

    Among Britons questioned, 72% said the Palestinians had a right to statehood, against only 6% who disagreed. When it came to the British vote on recognition at the UN general assembly on 29 November, 58% were in favour of a yes vote, against 8% who said the UK should vote no. Similar widelarge majorities were found in polls in Germany, France and Spain. The online polls were commissioned by Avaaz, the pro-democracy advocacy group, and carried out by YouGov in Britain and Germany, Ifop in France and Metroscopia in Spain. They took place earlier this month, on a sample size of 1,635 adults in the UK, and more than 1,000 in the other countries.

    Of the four countries polled, Spain is expected to support Palestinian recognition, France has said it will not rule it out, and UK and Germany have given no clear indication. Israel has been intensively lobbying EU states against recognition and has issued threats against the Palestinian leadership, including saying it will seek to overthrow the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, if the general assembly vote goes ahead.

    The Palestinians are expected to win the vote, but Israel is anxious that major European powers do not support the resolution, in an effort to reduce the “moral authority” implied by a United Nations vote.

  31. Kashif United States Safari Mac OS says:

    @AKB
    //…Mirjai;s are not liberal…one example is they don;t allow others to enter their places of worship…I can enter a mandir or a mosque but not the den of Mirjai worship…//
    All that froth and foam will not change the facts. Anybody is permitted to enter an Ahmadiyya mosque. In fact, we frequently take non-Ahmadi Muslims as well as non-Muslims along with us to our mosques. You do seem to be ill-informed, not to mention ill-mannered.

  32. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    ahmedis are more liberal and peace loving, there is no doubt about it…

  33. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Purification of the Land Of the Pure- Army of the Pure Supports it too
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    Karachi: A century-old temple in Karachi was hurriedly demolished by a builder despite a Pakistani court hearing a petition seeking a stay on such a move, triggering protests by the minority Hindu community on Sunday. Besides razing the pre-Partition Shri Rama Pir Mandir in Karachi’s Soldier Bazar, the builder demolished several houses near it on Saturday.
    .
    The idols were left of the side and gold ornaments of the idols stolen.
    .
    Nearly 40 people, a majority of them Hindus, became homeless as a result, The Express Tribune reported on Sunday. Following the demolition, the Pakistan Hindu Council organised a protest outside the Karachi Press Club on Sunday afternoon. They protested the demolition by the builder and the lack of action on the part of authorities. The Sindh High Court is hearing a petition seeking a stay on any move to demolish Shri Rama Pir Mandir.
    .
    During the demolition, the area was cordoned off by police and paramilitary Pakistan Rangers. Outsiders were not allowed to enter the area.
    *****************************************************.
    ………………………………………………
    Stealing of ornaments from idols is good work and is a long practiced tradition to encourage the kaffir to accept god’s word. Good job Mr Builder. Lets make the land PURE

  34. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Land of pure is working on Shias these days. Next might be liberals and wanna-be Indians.

    Another decade or so- land of pure will the purest land on earth.

  35. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed The Promised Messiah (A.S) in his book titled as “Kashti-e-Nooh” wrote a.s about:
    “Elevated position of the Holy Quran”

    i have been given to understand that some among you there are who altogether reject the Hadith. If this is so, then these people are in manifest error. I have never taught that they should hold such views. Quite to the contrary, I hold very firmly that for your guidance God has provided three things. The foremost among these is the “Holy Quran”, which sets forth the unity of God, His grandeur and greatness, and decides all points in dispute between the Jews and the Christians. Further, the “Quran forbids that you worship anything other than God” — neither man, nor beast, the sun nor the moon, nor any other heavenly body, nor material means, nor your own selves. Therefore beware. Do not take a single step in contravention of anything contained in the Holy Book. Verily, I tell you truly that whosoever evades even the least of the seven hundred commandments embodied in the Holy Quran, he slams the door of salvation upon himself. The real and perfect paths of salvation have been opened only by the Holy Quran; all others were only its shadows. Therefore you should study this holy scripture with the utmost attention and deepest thought; and you should love it as you have never loved anything else. For, indeed, as God has conveyed to me,

    All the good lies in the Quran.

    All kinds of good are to be found in it — and this is the truth. Unfortunate, indeed, are the people who to other things give preference over it. The Holy Quran, is the fountainhead for your salvation, for all betterment and success. There is not even a single spiritual need which has not been met for you in this Holy Book. The supporter or falsifier of your Faith on the Day of judgement would be the Holy Quran; and apart from this Book there is no other under the heavens which can provide you with direct guidance. It is indeed a great blessing of God upon you that He has bestowed on you a book like this. Verily, I tell you truly that the book which has been read upon you, had it been read upon the Christians, they would not have perished; and the blessing and guidance which has been vouchsafed to you, had it been extended to the Jews, in place of the Torah, many of their sects would not have ended by denying the Day of Judgement. Realise, therefore, the value of the blessing bestowed on you. It is a precious blessing, and a great treasure. Without the Holy Quran, the whole world would have been no better than a dirty clot of half formed flesh. Indeed it is a book as compared to which all other scriptures and sources of guidance amount to nothing at all.

    The Holy Quran can purify a man within a week, provided there is no attempt to get away from it in form or spirit. The Quran can make you like the Prophets, provided you do not try yourself to run away from it. Apart from the Holy Quran what book is there at the very outset which has taught its readers a prayer like :

    Guide us to the right path, the path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings

    and has thus held out to them a great hope, namely, the hope of the way being shown to them which would lead them to the attainment of those blessings which were bestowed on those who were of the Prophets, the Siddeeqs, the Shohada, and the Saliheen. Therefore elevate your resolve, and do not reject this invitation of the Quran when it calls you to work for attainment of the blessings given to the earlier peoples. God in fact is inclined to bestow on you even more. God has made you inherit all their spiritual and material substance, but until the Day of the Qiyamah these will not pass away from you to anyone else. God will not keep you deprived of the blessing of Revelation, and of the tangible forms of communion generally spoken of as mokalamat and mokhatbat. He will consummate all those blessings on you which He ever bestowed on others. But whosoever by way of insolence shall lie and shall claim to have received Revelation from Him, when in fact he had received no such Revelation, or claim that he had the honour of communion with God of the kind called mokalamah and mokhatabah, when in fact no such honour had been bestowed upon him, then, with God and all His angels as my witness I declare, that such a one shall perish and be destroyed for having lied about his Creator and for having perpetrated a fraud.

  36. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    he further adds about: The explanatory position of the Sunnah

    The second instrument for guidance vouchsafed to the Muslims is the Sunnah, i.e., the measures adopted by the Holy Prophet with a view to the exposition of the Holy Quran and its being put into actual tangible practice. For instance, looking at the surface only, there appears to be no specification in the Quran of rak’aats in the case of the five daily obligatory prayers, how many for what prayer, but the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet has made all these things very clear. No one should fall into the error that the Hadith and Sunnah are one and the same thing, for what is called the Hadith came to be collected a hundred and fifty years afterwards, while the Sunnah existed from the very outset side by side with the Holy Quran. After the Holy Quran, the greatest debt of gratitude the Muslims owe to anything is to the Sunnah. The obligation on God and His Apostle in regard to the guidance of mankind was only twofold, namely, that by sending down the Holy Book, God by means of His word indicated His will and pleasure, in fulfilment of the demand inherent in the Divine law: while the duty which devolved upon the Holy Prophet was this that by putting it into actual practice he should clearly demonstrate it in all its aspects in actual operation. Therefore he transformed into action what had been said in the form of words, and by his actual practice solved a number of difficulties. It is not proper to say that this duty devolved upon the Hadith, since Islam had established itself upon the earth long before the Hadith came to be collected. Did not the people offer their prayers at the time when the Hadith had not yet been collected? Did they not pay the Zakat. or perform the Hajj? Or, were they ignorant as to what was permissible, for them and what was not?

    promissed messiah (a.s) said about: Supportive position of Hadith:

    Of course, the third means of guidance is the Hadith, because many points in regard to history, ethics and jurisprudence are to be found explained fully in it; and the great utility of the Hadith lies in the fact that it is a servant of the Quran and the Sunnah. Some people, who are ignorant as to the real position of the Holy Quran, here assign ta Hadith the position of a judge on the Quran, as did the Jews in regard to some of their traditions. We on the other hand look upon the Hadith as a servant of the Quran and the Sunnah, the existence of servants being in no way derogatory to the master, being in fact a sign of his importance and grandeur. The Holy Book is the Word of God, while the Sunnah is the act of the Holy Prophet, the Hadith being a supporting witness for the Sunnah. It is wrong to say (God forbid) that the Hadith is a judge on the Holy Quran. If there is any judge on the Holy Quran, it is the Holy Book itself. The Hadith, which in any case has an element of speculation in it, cannot be given a superior position, being no more than a supporting argument. The Quran and the Sunnah have done all the real work, the Hadith doing no more than supplying some additional verification. How can the Hadith be in the position of a judge for the Holy Quran? The Holy Book and the Sunnah were extending guidance to mankind at a time when as yet there was no sign of the so-called judge. Therefore, never say that the Hadith is a judge on the Holy Quran: say rather that the Hadith supplies further supportive evidence for the Quran and the Sunnah. Of course the Sunnah, undoubtedly, is a thing which indicates the will of the Quran, and it signifies the path on which the Holy Prophet put his companions. The Sunnah is not a name for the things which came to be written and collected a hundred or a hundred and fifty years afterwards. These are called the Hadith. The Sunnah, on the other hand, is the practical example that has, from the very earliest beginning, existed, all along, in the practical actions of the Muslims, their number extending to thousands at the most conservative estimate. But even though in a great part of it the Hadith occupies the position of a speculation, still, where it does not run counter to the Holy Quran, it deserves to be accepted, serving as a supporter for the Holy Quran and the Sunnah, with a large store-house of material, bearing on many Islamic questions.

    Failure to appreciate the Hadith, therefore, is tantamount to cutting away a large part of the body of Islam. But, of course, if a Hadith falls counter to the Holy Quran and the Sunnah, and counter to other Ahadith which are in accord with the Holy Book, or it stands in opposition to the Sahee Bokharee, it should not be acceptable; for acceptance thereof would imply rejection: of the Holy Quran, and of all those Ahadith which stand in accord with the Holy Book. I am satisfied that no righteous person would want to subscribe to such a belief. In any case give due recognition to Hadith and derive benefit from it to the fullest possible extent, for they come from the Holy Prophet and unless they are rejected by the Quran and the Sunnah, you should not reject them. You should adhere to the Hadith to such an extent that no action of yours, no pause, no performance, and no failure to perform any work, should be without basis in Hadith. But if there is a Hadith which stands in contradiction of what has been stated in the Quran, you should exercise your mind to reconcile it in interpretation: but where no such reconciliation is possible, the Hadith should be rejected and thrown aside, since it cannot be taken to have come from the Holy Prophet. But if there is a weak Hadith, which stands, nevertheless, in accord with the Holy Quran, it is to be accepted, for the Quran has confirmed it.

  37. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB , i quote Promissed Messiah (a.s) above and i will quote more of mmore of him , to clArify every wrong perception about him! your challenge is to FIND anything, from above mentionED paras, that is blasphemous,unislamic,deviant,pigishsetc etc!!
    if you cant donot bring the anti ahmaddiya website copy/paste material on this page!
    i challenge you with all the obscenity in you! find something using your own brain
    mr.”"”"”OBSCENE”"”"

  38. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Purification of the Land Of the Pure- Army of the Pure Supports it too

    maggu bi, soon it will be rebuilt.modi demolished 79 unauthorized temples in ahmedabad,media was silent.pakistan rebuilt nearly all temples damaged when historical babri mosque was demolished.let us see when they rebuilt babri mosque.

    dont forget that 2200 mosques are illegaly occupied in punjab alone including many famous dargahs.

  39. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    mirza GHULAM AHMED (a.s) The door of revelation is open even now

    Do not think that the Revelation from God is not possible in the future; that it was possible only in the past: do not think that the holy spirit cannot come down now. I tell you truly that every door can be closed but the door for the coming down of the holy spirit. Open all the doors of your heart to receive it. With your own hands you remove yourself to a distance from that sun when you yourself closed the window through which light can enter. Therefore get up at once and throw this window open, so that the light of the sun should, of its own accord, enter your heart with the simplicity and inevitability of a natural process.

    When God has not closed the doors of His blessings upon the world, when in fact He has multiplied them even more than before, do you venture to presume that he has closed upon you the doors of His spiritual blessings, even at a time when they were needed most? No, no; not at all. Rather has that door been opened beyond any possible shadow of doubt. Now, in accordance with His teaching as given in the Surah Fatihah, when the door of all earlier blessings has been opened for you, why do you decline to receive them? Create a thirst for this spring, and then, of itself, the water will begin to gush out. For this milk cry like a child, so that it should well up in the breast. Begin to deserve mercy, so that you should be shown mercy. Show anxiety and deep concern, so that your minds should be set at rest. Cry out with pain, again and again, so that a hand should stretch itself and take hold of you. Indeed, how terribly difficult is the way which is the way of the Lord! But, verily, it is made easy for those who jump into the abyss, resolutely determined to face destruction and death.

    Blessed are they who for the sake of the Lord wage a war against their own selves; while truly ill-stared are they who for the sake of their baser-selves wage war against the Lord, and refuse to mould themselves in obedience to His will. Whosoever, for the sake of his own self, evades a commandment of God, he will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Strive therefore to the upmost that not a jot or syllable of the Holy Quran should bear witness against you, and cause you to be apprehended on that account. For indeed, even a single grain of evil is punishable. The time is very short, the mission of your life is not yet fulfilled. Walk with speed, for the evening draws nigh. Whatever you have to put before the Lord, examine it well, and as often as you can, lest some defect remain to cause irreparable loss or lest you take something with you which in fact should amount to no more than filthy and spurious goods, not worthy to be presented at a royal court.

  40. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    HAZRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMED(a.s) on:
    Deliverence from sin lies in perfect conviction

    O ye who seek the Lord, open your ears and listen! Take heed that there is nothing like perfect conviction which delivers you from sin; conviction gives you the power to do good; and conviction alone can turn you into a lover of God. Can you turn away from evil without perfect conviction? Can you hold your base impulses in check without the help of a sure light? Without this perfect conviction, can anyone bring about any real change in himself? Gan you attain to any state of satisfaction and peace of mind without this perfect certainty? Can you at all win any real prosperity without it? In the wide world, is there any Atonement which can give you the power to avoid sin which man so much stands in need of? Can the fictitious blood of Jesus, son of Mary, deliver you from sin? O ye Christians, refrain from uttering a monstrous falsehood, even such as would fain break this earth to pieces! For deliverance Jesus himself had to depend on perfect conviction. He believed with conviction, and was delivered. Woe, indeed, on those Christians who deceive the world by saying they have been delivered by the blood of Jesus Christ even when from head to foot they are drowned in evil. They do not even know who is their God. Their life is one of indulgence and ease; with the intoxication of wine in their head they remain unaware of the life with God; and for them there is no share in the fruits of life as lived in purity. Always remember, therefore, that you cannot come out of the darkness without firm conviction, nor can you get the holy spirit. Blessed are they who have this conviction, and blessed are they who have been delivered from uncertainties and doubts, for they alone shall be delivered of sin; and blessed will you be when this great treasure of firm conviction is given to you, since on that day sin for you will come to an end. Sin and conviction cannot exist together. Would you ever knowingly put your hand into a hole which you see is occupied by a poisonous snake? Or would you remain standing where a shower of red hot stones is coming down from some belching volcano? or which forms the target of a thunderbolt from the skies? or where a ferocious lion is likely to attack any moment? Or would you live in a place where a dangerous plague is destroying mankind? Then, if you believe in God with the same firmness of conviction as you believe in the danger from a snake, or a thunderbolt, or a lion, or from plague, it is not possible that you should defy Him by disobedience, to incur punishment thereby, or that you should want to break the bond of sincerity, and loyalty which binds you to Him.

    O ye people who have been called to righteousness and truth, rest fully assured that Divine attraction will take its birth in you, and you will be washed clean of the ugly blot of sin, only when your hearts become brimful of firm conviction. Perhaps you will say that you have this conviction, but you should take care to remember that this feeling is not more than a delusion on your part. That firm conviction is most certainly not yet yours, for you do not display the conditions which necessarily must go with it always. You have not yet given up your sinful ways; you have not yet taken the first step which you ought to have taken the moment this firm conviction became yours. You do not yet fear sin as you should. You can very well think out the question in your own mind. A man never puts his hand into a hole which he knows to be occupied by a poisonous snake; nor does he ever knowingly partake of a food he has reason to believe has been poisoned. Nor will he thoughtlessly walk into a thicket of trees which harbours a lion. Then how can your hand and feet, your eyes and ears, dare to sin when you have the same degree of certainty in regard to the punishment and reward from God on your conduct in life? How in the name of reason can you throw yourself into a fire which you know will burn you to ashes? And always remember that the defensive ramparts built by firm conviction against sin are veritably as high as the heavens, so that Satan cannot scale them to get you, after you have once properly built them up.

    Everyone who is purified, is purified through firmness of conviction. It is conviction which gives you the strength to bear hardships, even to the extent of persuading a king to abdicate his royal throne and take to the life of a mendicant. Conviction dissolves all difficulties. Conviction enables a man to see God. All ideas of any atoning sacrifice are false, for every kind of purity comes only from firm conviction. The only thing which delivers a man from sin, and advances him in sincerity and steadfastness, far ahead of the angels themselves, is conviction and conviction alone. All religions which fail to create this firmness of conviction are false. All religions which fail to show God by means beyond any shadow of doubt are false; and all those religions are false which contain nothing more than a handful of tales and fables about what happened in the past.

  41. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB: WHAT PART OF ABOVE WRITINGS OF MIZA GHULAM AHMED(a.s) is arrogant???
    Mr.obscene, please copy and paste,what you are best at!copy and paste some part that you find arrogant and blasphemous ???

  42. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    i am waiting mr.”A”.”K”(known).o”B”scene, as you quoted a christian’s saying to represent yourself for protection of islam!
    i am waiting because i have tonnes of more, articles for you to extract evudence of arrogance of ahmadis and Mirza GHULAM AHMED(A.S) from!

  43. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    to reitrate THE real islam which is Ahmaddiya Islam:
    promissed messiah says
    “”O ye learned people of Islam!”"

    O ye learned people among the Muslims! Do not be hasty in rejecting me as false. There are many profound secrets which man cannot comprehend in a hurry, all at once. You should not be ready to reject a thing the moment you hear it, for this is not the way of the righteous. Had there been no errors among you, and if you had not interpreted certain Ahadith in a manner contrary to their real sense, then the advent of the Messiah, as a judge and adjudicator among you, would have been a useless thing. The mission you assign to this advent, namely, that he would join force with the Mahdi, to make war on all in order forcibly to convert them to Islam, is a belief which brings disgrace to Islam. Where at all is it written in the Quran that war is permissible for the sake of spreading one’s religion by force? On the contrary we find Allah saying in the Holy Book:

    There is no compulsion in matters connected with religion.

    Then wherefrom would the Messiah, son of Mary, get the right to use force for converting people to Islam? The entire Quran is replete to the effect that there can be no coercion in religion; and it is absolutely clear on the point that when the Holy Prophet took up the sword, he did not do so to spread Islam by this means, but (i) as a due punishment for these who had killed a large number of Muslims, and had driven out many others from their homes. We read in the Holy Book: “Permission has been given to those who fight because they had been oppressed, and Allah indeed has the power to help them (in spite of the odds against them)” 22:39. (ii) Or these wars were defensive, fought against people who were leaving no stone unturned to extirpate Islam and to stop its propagation by force of arms. (iii) Or they were fought to assert legitimate freedoms. Apart from campaigns undertaken for these three aims, the Holy Prophet and his blessed Khalifas fought no war, whatsoever. In fact, before taking up arms in self defence Islam bore oppression with silent fortitude to an extent of which there is no example in the history, of other peoples. Then what kind of a Messiah and Mahdi would these be who would embark on their mission by putting their opponents to the sword right from the start.

  44. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Stealing of ornaments from idols is good work and is a long practiced tradition to encourage

    bhagwan dont need ornament.he gives ornaments to others.HIS ornaments are also stolen in india by hindus.once narang group of delhi was very active they used to stole murtis and ornament both.it is simple theft.i hope police will recover this soon.i support the hindus but dont communalize issue.these things happen in india as well.culprits are usually hindus.jitne bhee pande hain unki main expertize dan kosh se 500 rupee ka note kheechnen ke hai.mere friend guptajee ke father temple mein 4 hrs yahee kaam karte hain.vasant vihar mein 2 ghar khareed liye hain.

  45. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Wow… Two Acts of Purification in The Land of The Pure on The Same Day- A temple and ahmedi graves, Waah waah
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    Islam Kay Bahadur Sipaahi ghazis did one more brave deed today:
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    LAHORE: Over 100 tombstones were desecrated by unidentified men at an Ahmadi graveyard in the Model Town area of Lahore early Monday morning.
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    Eyewitnesses said 12 to 15 masked men, carrying weapons and excavation tools, had entered the graveyard in Model Town Q Block between 1:30am and 1:45am.
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    At least five of the men were reported to be carrying weapons, including 9mm pistols and a bigger gun.
    The perpetrators removed and broke the tombstones of graves. They also told the caretakers that they were not supposed to write the Kalima or Bismillah on the tombstones because, “Ahmadis are infidels.”
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    —-……………….
    They will be showered by rose petals and get a French kiss from mumtaz Quadri.

  46. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Police said that they were not aware of the incident.
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    “There is no such thing in our knowledge. We will take action when someone files a report about the incident,” local police station chief Idrees Qureshi told AFP.
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    Later Mr Idrees Qureshi told AFP that he had recently read a book by Mahatma Gandhi and had been very impressed. He had adopted the Gandhian philosophy of Bura Mat karo, bura nat dekho, bura mat Suno. This Gandhian thought is,taking strong hold among policemen in Pakistan across the,cities of Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar.

  47. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ Maggu

    I have been to the mandir kinda chali at Soldier bazaar Karachi….it was in dilapidated and despite notices the Hindus mostly poor dalits working as janitors did not do repairs. This posed threat to their lives hence they demolished it rather than go through the expenses and are selling it over to some Mirjai?

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    Idol worship is forbidden in Islam…..yet how kind Muslims were to Hindu’s and other idol worshippers can be seen through the mirror of history epecially the Mughals who did not demolish any place of idol worship nor looted their wasteful booty!!
    Sultan Mahmood was an exception…the Hindu conspirators invited him to attack India and take away the treasure hidden in idols as his reward. You can see it is the fault of the idol worshippers themselves which causes their mandirs demolished or their idol-teasure looted. According to Muslims the goods recovered in a battle or war from enemy are Halal…

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  48. Secular Pir Manki United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    The law-abiding among Hindus should be protected. They are protected subjects of Muslims. Mirjaees are traitors. The law does not apply to them until they revert to Islam.

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