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American Muslims write to Secretary Clinton asking her to intervene to save Ambassador Husain Haqqani
January 12, 2012
The Secretary of State
The Honorable Hillary Rodham ClintonU.S.
Department of State2201 C Street, NWWashington, DC 20520
Dear Madame Secretary:
We American and Canadian Muslims have watched with increasing anxiety the situation of theformer Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S., Husain Haqqani. Motivated by our deep concern for thelife and safety of Ambassador Haqqani we write to you to ask you to speak on his behalf.Ambassador Haqqani is living under virtual house arrest in Pakistan. Pakistan’s security agencies confiscated his passport and the judiciary, under pressure from the military, has restricted him fromtravelling outside Pakistan.
Ambassador Haqqani’s travails began after it was alleged that he had initiated a letter to theChairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, following the US military actioninside Pakistan in which Osama Bin Laden was killed. The letter reportedly asked for Americanintervention in Pakistan in order to forestall a military coup.Click here to read complete letter.
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@ Raj TOO
I take it as an insult to be called a Hindu or of a Hindu descent. You should look into your pedigree and find out the streaks of Arabs, AFghans, Mongol and foreign ‘color’ in your dalit daravari bad blood!
Ispahani—Indian? No. Originally Irani, fire-worshipper turned Muslim!
Grow up before you died trying some new antics!
@ observ
[[[[[[Rex Minor To Observ--------The word you use are no different than those used by infidels centuries ago. These people were burnt alive in public places; today we send them to a Psychiatric clinics.
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nothing to disagree ’bout you here!
@ observ
The huge number of Muslim converts from Hinduism are a vivid proof of Hinduism as a bad religion! Moreover, the fact that Islam is a beautiful religion is apparent by its universality and popular rapid growth the world over!
AKB wrote:
You may like to do your own calculations! Find out what were the number of Uzbeks, Turkmen soldiers who invaded the region. Then consider how many survived the battles. Also consider the size of the indigenous population! Put in your Qasims as well. Also consider that basically you people are inbreds and marry mostly your own cousins and that too since generations. That isolates you from imbibing foreign gene pools.
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You’ll come to the conclusion that not more than 3% of Pakistani population has Turk, Persian or Arab bloodlines, and even if they have they are very diluted from indigenous input.
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It is mostly the elite in Pakistan which carry these bloodlines.
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Of course the Pakjabis are not essentially different from Punjabis from the Indian side – the Hindus, and the Sikhs. But due to inbreeding there has been considerable genetic degradation.
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As a Punjabi chauvinist, I might say, that you have been contaminated through infusion of genetic material from barbarians from Central Asia and Arabia, but that is not really true. It is not your genetic contamination that is your bane, but rather your vicious inbreeding. Today you’re one or two generations away from becoming the rat people. You know what I am talking about.
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So I would say you have 97% purity of Indian bloodline, but one which has severely deteriorated.
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All that bullshit that you Pakis talk about being the heirs of Turks, Arabs, Persians and so on is plain hogwash. The top 3% of the population who have this infusion of “true” Muslim blood are your Elite and sucking your blood! The rest of you are the Aam Abduls, with a 100% Hindu descent. Even many who go around with titles like Syed and so on are frauds.
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And because you are of 100% Hindu descent, you’re also an Ajlaf Islamic Shoodra!
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It is not all that bad. Try to live with it! You are an AKB (Ajlaf ka Baccha)!
Say, are you demented? You were the one who called Ispahani an Indian!
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FYI, not just Muslim, but a Shi’a Muslim, the ones with a bit more sense!
AKB wrote:
The huge number of Muslim converts are a vivid proof that if the Muslims are in power, their barbarity works!
The Hindus converted in order to save their daughters from being raped by Uzbek or Afghan goons. The Hindus converted because they did not want to be humiliated every day by their oppressors. The Hindus converted because they did not have the money to pay jiziya.
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The huge number of Muslims are there because they are prisoners. If they wish to reconvert they will be killed.
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The huge number of Muslims are there, because right at age 4 they are brainwashed to hate Hindus and what not! You are a living example! They are taught all this crap about cow piss and shivlingam and what not and told that is your philosophy education about others!
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Coercion and Hate are the vehicles of your conversion drive. There is nothing noble in it. Just because Islam has so many prisoners does not mean, there is something great about it!
@ rex minor
Please don’t worry about me whether or not I am from the majority or the minority in Pakistan. The truth is what you already stated about Muslims..ie too many Muslims not doing exactly what Islam tells them to do.
Would that mean some minorities such as the Mirjai’s, the Talibans, the Aga Khani’s,Bohris, Bahai’s, etc are obeying the fundamental teachings of Islam?? Aren’t you trying to justify that Jihad is compulsory for every Muslim?
All this hue and cry around is due to oppression of the powerful by the weak. If the stronger ones left the weaker ones alone then may be we can expect peace in this world!
@ Raj TOO
Haven’t seen a bigger fool and an idiot than you! You certainly have the lowest of IQ on this board…pity you!
No one stops a Muslim to get converted. Millions of Muslims live abroad in non-Muslim countries and there is no bar on them to convert and nobody can harm them there yet they stick to Islam. that’s the beauty of Islam. A Muslim is always a Muslim even if he’s alone in a desert!(or Gitmo, if that makes you feel happier!)
Nobody forced nobody to become Muslim in many countries of the world..especially the Far East, China, Russia, etc. Hindus and Christians got converted to Islam on their own! You are getting jealous of Muslims for fear of your being thrown out of your Indooo cult if you converted….
Why The West Craves Materialism & Why The East Sticks To Religion
by Imran Khan
(google for the full article)
My generation grew up at a time when colonial hang up was at its peak. Our older generation had been slaves and had a
huge inferiority complex of the British. The school I went to was similar to all elite schools in Pakistan.
Despite gaining independence, they were, and still are, producing replicas of public schoolboys rather than Pakistanis.(replace by Indoostani’s)
to AKB
What happened in the past can no more be interpreted accurately. we don’t know the inner workings of those human minds.
What is crucial is what is happening today and where-to it is pointing in the future.
This is where islam is proving to be a fascist totalitarian ideology and an instrument of arab racism and imperialism. I don’t expect muslims to be honest in this matter and they will continue to go down the road of fascism.
Why waste time arguing about unknown or incompletely known factors of the past?
It des not bother me why people converted to islam in the past. What is certain that today islam is the most fascist ideology and its ability to deceive simple-minded human beings has increased a lot.
@Raj
I am going to stretch it further. A good news for you and Obsev, the ancestors of the entire Ummah were pagans, infidels and Kaafirs. Glory is to God that we evolved and became muslims. Yes we are humans and we are from the neandathaler; not from the apes though. And like Immanuel Kannt says we are not born as an empty container, collecting experence, reasons and logic, but have a mind and spirit which determines our destiny and guide us in our lives. Our forefathers might as well been kaafirs but we were blessed by God almighty to be born as muslims with the purest of geist.
No one should delude himself that life for the believer is an easy one if he is to abide by the rules but this in the end is likely to be his salvation. To be honest I would not choose to be sorrounded by the non-believersI. Pakistan definitely has serious problems!
Rex Minor
@ observ
It appears that you have been a victim of child abuse in your younger days, hence your poison-thoughts against Muslims and Islam.
IF Islam was a fascist as you assert there would at least be a hint to that effect somewhere in the foll article or any current news. But since there is none your outlook towards this great religion is outrightly bogus, imbued with grave malice, highly biased and condemnable. It would be desirable if you spoke about you own religion and solicited comments from others. Dare you speak and i will point out how your religion, whatsoever, is more fascist than any other religion and how depraved and deprived a mental trauma you happen to be!!
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What is happening Today in Hindu India…food for thought for sick Indoos!!
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”India has been a Parliamentary Democracy since the departure of the rapacious British except for the June 1975 – March 1977 State of Emergency period that enabled PM Indira Gandhi to rule by decree, suspend elections and abrogate civil liberties. However the Indian political system is notoriously violent and corrupt and has yielded government by the very rich for the very rich (see the movie “Slumdog Millionaire” and read the novel “White Tiger” by Aravind Adiga). The result of this perversion of the democratic process is endemic poverty for 80% of the population that is reflected in appalling social statistics from UNICEF and the WHO: Total adult literacy rate (%), 2005-2008, 63; Gross national income per capita (PPP international $) 2,930; Life expectancy at birth m/f (years) 63/66; Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births) 66; Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population) 250/169; Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2009) 132; Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2009) 4.2. A fundamental measure of societal health is avoidable death (avoidable mortality, excess death, excess mortality, or deaths that did not have to happen) that as a percentage of the Indian population was 0.35% in 2003 whereas this was 0% for China and Australia (see “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950”: http://globalbodycount.blogspot.com/ ). This means that 3.7 million Indians die every year due to corruption-linked deprivation (2003 data), a shocking indictment of Indian democracy. However to put this in perspective, the avoidable death rate in India in 1947 under the racist, genocidal British was a shocking 3.3%.”
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”India is remarkable in that 80% of the population lives in dire poverty in a democracy in which there is government by and for the very rich. India has attempted legislatively to achieve equal rights for “untouchables””
By Dr Gideon Polya
AKB wrote:
The beauty of Islam is that Islam’s prison system is functional even in Western countries or other countries.
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Many Muslims who have left Islam still do not openly declare that they have already converted out of Islam, not even to their families, because they fear social ostracism. Their families themselves start abusing them and the fathers and brothers and uncles and cousin brothers even use violence to get the rebels back in line. It is considered a grave crime on a Muslim family’s ghairat should one of its members decide to leave Islam. So ultimately family and peer pressure assures that one remains Muslim.
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Let’s say your best friend decides to convert back to his ancestral faith – Hinduism, what would your reaction be. Would you say, “Aw, that’s your personal decision, mate! You must know what you’re doing”! Hardly!
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How much have you even read about the stories of either ex-Muslims or anonymous ex-Muslims?
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ex-muslim.org.uk
http://www.apostatesofislam.com
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Here you will find many voices of ex-Muslims and about their fears in leaving Islam.
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Islamic scholars have debated about the punishment for apostasy – some are content only with death sentence, some advocate imprisonment until the apostate repents, some differentiate between lower and higher apostasy, some say that if an ex-Muslim criticizes Islam, and thus make his reasons for leaving Islam public, then that would be considered high treason and punishable by death.
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Islamic society imposes such harsh measures for apostasy and you tell me that anybody can convert out of Islam.
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AKB, why don’t you try converting out of Islam for a month and publicize it a bit (convincingly). Perhaps you would understand what it means! Try it. Test the system. After a month you can always tell your family and peers that it was only a test to see whether the system is working.
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So as always you make claims which you cannot live up to.
Rex Minor,
“A good news for you and Obsev, the ancestors of the entire Ummah were pagans, infidels and Kaafirs. Glory is to God that we evolved and became muslims.”
Actually, the next step in evolution is atheism.
“To be honest I would not choose to be sorrounded by the non-believersI.”
Then why don’t you leave Germany and go back to your native land?
@Raj
You are not talking about Salman Rushdie now? There is nothing in the world which can stop a muslim becoming an atheist or adopting any other faith. This is an individual decision. The statistics however show that Islam is the only religion from the Ibrahimic religions which is growing. One cannot compare Islam with hinduism or shintuism or atheism. Not a great deal if a muslim fellow decides to live a lfe of a non muslim or even announce publicly his or her adopting a different faith.
It is already becoming difficult to improve the quality and the standard of current muslims to a desirable level of Islam. The arab sprig has just started and is likely to take several dcades to discover the true exposure to Islam, leaving behind four wives, veils,hijabs and actualy trying to understand the writings of Quraan.
Give them a break and I am sure that you are likely to be the first one to acknowledge that there is nothing evil or a spin in Islam, but everything which is good, human but correct. Read Ibn batuta , how he was surprised to find muslims around the world, to his astonishment, practicing muslims within their unique cultures.
Rex Minor
By police estimate there are still 10,000 cannibals in Germany. No wonder where all these bigots are writing from.
rex minor wrote:
Actually we are not from the Neanderthals. That line actually died off.
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Humans and Chimpanzees actually share 96% of our genes (that is 15% more than Humans and Pakis share, due to their genetic degeneration), and not just that we also share the same generation time. In fact that puts the Chimpanzees much closer to Humans than to say other great apes like the Gorillas and the Urang-Utans.
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Hinduism has no problem with Theory of Evolution at all. That is because Hinduism does not put the Human at the center of the Universe, where everything has to revolve around the humans, or whether he combs his hair 5 times a day or not!
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Islam has a serious problem with the Theory of Evolution. If religion takes precedence over science, or religion is not in sync with science and scientific progress, then it is obvious that in that religion, its adherents would not embrace science wholeheartedly. In fact, there would be such an aversion against science that where ever possible, an effort would be made that the environment does not allow debate at all on these issues.
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A normal debate on evolution in Pakistan would run something on the lines of “Can you imagine we Humans being descendants of these beasts, these ugly mindless beasts with red buttocks which eat their own crap! Never!”
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And that was it! The discussion would never reach the stage of comparing the genes, or social behavior in a scientific manner, without the well-known knee-jerk attitude of Muslims to what is disgusting and what is not.
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Muslims just do not have any scientific spirit.
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When one says that, Muslims come out and argue that Oh the Quran says this and the Qu’ran says that on human foetus, on Big-Bang Theory, and what not! All that is fiction. Anybody who has read the Qu’ran would know that those claims are either claims that one can see by the naked eye, simple fantasies, or outright theft from other civilizations.
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Muhammad in fact believed that the child would resemble the father if the father had his discharge first, or it would resemble the mother, should she have her discharge (whatever that means) first!
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Qu’ran 86:5-7 says, that the semen come from an area between the backbone and the ribs.
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That is level of science in Qu’ran and of Muhammad, even as the Mullahs make big claims that Qu’ran has a wealth of science!
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One can either go with science or one can go with Islam!
rex minor wrote:
Islam is growing, but so is Hinduism. That is simply because of demographic growth. Muslims are however producing more kids. Is that a miracle?
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Then one has the practice of asking a boy to convert to Islam if he wants to marry a Muslim girl! So he may convert out of love for the girl and not due to Islam.
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I know many Turks (probably Kemalists) in Germany whose German wives have continued with their German way of living, but then there are the more devout Turks who go after German girls, but then “persuade” them to adopt Islam as well, and these German girls go around town in Kopftücher. So women too are taking to Islam at places but again due to love.
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But here love as well is instrumentalized and used to convert.
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Then there are many converts to Islam in the prison community in America.
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And once in a while there are some converts among celebrities.
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On the whole not many are converting to Islam anymore. The tendency is for people to have less religion in their lives. That allows them to be philosophically more active.
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Here is another statistic. In Turkey ethnic Turkish women have a fertility rate of 1.5 while Kurdish women have a fertility rate of 4.5. Kurds are already 20% of Turkish population. So Turkey is being Aryanized.
heavy_petting wrote:
Hello Food!
rex minor,
FYI, Chote Miyan means little chap and is another handle of Bade Miyan.
rex minor wrote:
Viel Glück!
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You have to watch out though. Egyptian economy is dangerously going into a tailspin. And Syria is in instability.
@Raj
I know you are a bright person and I have no problems with your adhoc judgements on complicated issues. You read Quraan or the Quraan translation, shows that you seek knowledge. This is a good start. You are familiar with German language and this is going to guide you to ask how and why questions. If you continue on this track and do not make the denk fehler, you are going to be an elightened person before many of us.
All the Ibrahimic religions have problems with the theory of evolution which Darwin, the zoologist put forward. It is no longer taught in American schools. The experts opinion is that it conflicts with the theory of intelligent design. I have similar opinion about the theory.
Otherwise my reading is that science discoveries fully corolate with the scriptues. Remember we have managed to utilise not more than 20 percent of our brain potential.
In Germany we have a fertility rate of 1.5 as well, whereas, people with immigration background have more than double. Is this going to impact the demography, certainly if this trend continues. When I said that Islam is growing, I meant the number of people who are converting to Islam is larger than other religions, letus ignore the cases of wifes who convert to be able to marry. Ofcourse Hindus and chinese have a very large populaton and therefore birth controls and sterilization programs have been implemented to control the growth.
You are not a belever therefore place too much emphasis on economy, the golden calve, the zionist enterprise. Remember a good muslim, christian or a jewish person believes in God, who controls this world. Egyptian have been living on aid fom the US and keeping a very large army. My expectation is that all arab countries must face the task of Aufklarung, as I wrote earlier, and this is a prolong procedure.
This Bihari Myan is a strange guy used to gutter language, has knowledge gaps and in my opinion is the natural partner for AKB.
Rex Minor
@ Raj TOO
From your views I believe you ought to confess Mijaism if not Islam. Maybe then you might become a frofet some day!!
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[[[[[[Then one has the practice of asking a boy to convert to Islam if he wants to marry a Muslim girl! So he may convert out of love for the girl and not due to Islam.]]]]]]]
What’s wrong with a ”’loving offer”?? Don’t you believe in LOVE, sick boy??
@ Raj TOO
[[[[Qu’ran 86:5-7 says, that the semen come from an area between the backbone and the ribs.]]]]
Okay, disprove it!!
At what age did your marbles (provided you have any) slip into the sack between your thighs??
BTW Quran is not a Book of Science but rather a Code of Life!
AKB,
I don’t know where your semen comes from, but my come from my testes!
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I guess all those pot-bellied guys in Lahore are simply people with tummy full of semen!
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How about you consult your doctor! And take a Mullah along!
AKB,
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better still, when you go for circumcision of your penis, why don’t you get your balls circumcised as well.
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After all, you don’t need your balls. Your semen comes from some place near your kidneys anyway.
rex minor,
the best years of Islam were after Persia was captured, because it induced a lot of knowledge into the Arabs.
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The Zorastrian-Buddhist scholars in Persia were there to instill the Eastern knowledge into the Arabs.
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Before that the Arabs were for a long time chained to Jews and Christians. That is why the Qu’ran is based on those two earlier faiths. Through Christianity the Arabs were also familiar with the Greeks.
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But as the Arabs captured Persia, then the treasure chests of knowledge suddenly became available. Not just that the Arabs learned about the court culture, architecture, aesthetics and much more. Persia civilized the Arabs.
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But Persians were mostly a sister civilization to the Indians, the theory being that Persians were earlier (thousands of years ago) inhabitants of the current Pakjab plains. There was then a division within the tribe. One part of the tribe moved Northwards towards Central Asia, while the bigger tribe stayed back in India. Later on the Persians moved further West to where Iran is. There have been very close relations between India and Persia in ancient times.
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Much of the knowledge of the Persians came from India through later day Buddhists, though they themselves were open-minded and intelligent.
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That is the knowledge that Persians gave on to the Arabs, and the Arabs passed on to the Europeans.
Not so good news!
Scary statistics:USA
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25% of women in this country are on medication for mental illness……
That’s bloody scary………it means 75% are running around with no medication at all!!
@ Raj TOO
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[[[[[[That is the knowledge that Persians gave on to the Arabs, and the Arabs passed on to the Europeans.]]]]
and to Indostaan as well!! Rudyard Kipling was so right when he wrote about bloody Indians!!
AKB wrote:
And you call Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a slave of Britain. Considering that you are citing them and considering them some authority on anything, it seems you too are a slave of the Brits, a real Ahmadiyya ka Baccha (AKB)!
@ Raj TOO
SAALA JAL GAYA!!
tum per, Mirja ghulla per aur uss kay payrokaroan per dono jehanoan kee laanat!! I hate those who pick at their religion to pave a way to invent new phony frofets!Mirja ghulla was definitely a molvi slave hired by the
Brits. to discourage Muslims from Jihad side by side with the Hindus for the Independence of Mother India against bloody Brits. As such Mirja Ghulla and his toadies are trailors and enemies not only of Muslims but equally so of the Indian Hindus and Sikhs. Prophets do not ask for ”REWARDS” from anyone but evidently Mirja Ghulla did so before his masters the Brits.
Kipling knew Indians were so easy to tame and dance to his tune!
AKB wrote:
So it was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (poobah), who was stopping Muslim Leaguers from going to jail. No Muslim League member ever went to British jail. Just proves that Pakis are all British ke paltu pille! Mirza was not the only one!
@ Raj TOO
So you agree that Mirja Ghulla (Poobuh) was a British slave. don’t you??
Going to jail is no criteria for being a british poodle! Jinnah did not go to jail…so?
AKB wrote:
On the contrary! It means that the Muslim Leaguers never fought for independence. They always kept the British happy!
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Pakistan was created to serve British interests. That is why you have always been the paltu kutta of Anglo-Americans. So why complain?
Rex Minor,
“It is no longer taught in American schools. The experts opinion is that it conflicts with the theory of intelligent design. I have similar opinion about the theory.”
Hmm..No longer taught in American schools? Really? By “experts”, you mean yourself, right?
Theory of Evolution has been proved right so far. It stands, as some say, the greatest discovery of the modern age. In fact, if any fool cares to read Darwin’s book, he will agree that he wrote a masterpiece, and that includes the quality of language as well. And, Darwin was a devout Christian as well.
@BM
You do’ntgive up, do you? You re rightif any fool cares to read Darwinn’s book, he will agree that he wrote a masterpiece……. But I am not a fool and would prefer to read Illumanati or……!
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge; It is those who know little not those who know much who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science, said Charles Darwin.
Evolution descent of human from animal is nothingnew; the theor was brought forward by a greek philosopher. Darwin presented a plausible mechanism called “Natural Selection” to preserve and accumulate minor advantageous genetic mutations. Darwin also conceded that if it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed , which could not possibly have been been formed by numerous , successive slight modifications, my theory would absolutely breakdown.
Well many advances in molecular biology , biochemistry and genetics over the past fifty odd years,we now know that there are infact tens and thosands of complex systems on the cellular level which could not have been created as a result of the “natural selection” , thereby bringing Darwin theory in question.
Rex Minor
to AKB
Saudi Arabia is misusing Pakistan, China is doing also it, pakistani rulers are bootlicking them and throwing their own people to the dogs and you have nothing better to do that instigate hate and slander against ahamadiyas (which leads periodically to their murders). This is typical pakiSatan.
@ Raj TOO
Answer my question rather than show me your ball-less crotch.
At what age do testes slide down the testicle sac???
@ observ
It’s just a matter of time. Pakistan will make up for its temporary deficiencies, if any. You certainly don’t have to worry. If you have to be worried be worried about the 80 per cent ignorant majority of India you are fooling under the hoax of so-called democracy and secularism.
As for Mirjai’s I don’t see them being victimized in Pakistan. Infact no non-Muslim is being victimized as such. However, if someone thinks he is being harassed he can leave Pakistan and go to hell! Pakistan doesn’t need grumblers, ingrates and additional enemies within its fold…for sure propa-gaanda is not going to get them anywhere!-
@@ Raj TOO
paltu kutt’s are faithful, pigs like you aren’t. Go worship your GaoMaata, screw her as a sacred mission, drink a cocktail of your and her urine topped with poop for a better mental and physical health! Indics do need health improvement on either side,,,mere shiva lingham practice is only going to bring them ‘darwin’s mutants’..which you mostly are!
AKB wrote:
If you are talking about American testes, Pakis never let those testes slide!
Here some poetry: Tattey Chukk, Bhai Tattey Chukk!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DLzdXYIRo
Ensoi!
Shame on the West & the so-called Champions of Human rights
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The Global Worth of Human Life
By Jahanzeb Hussain
29 January, 2012
Jahanzebjz.tumblr.com
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I wonder how Europe and North America would react if the victims of 9/11, 7/7 and Madrid bombings were universally declared as nothing but “collateral damage”. It is simply unthinkable that victims who happen to be citizens of imperialist countries can be deprived of their humanity, the value of their life negated and their memories brushed under the rug. It would be totally wrong if we dismissed the lost lives as a mean to an end. Human life is an end in itself and its worth can never be diminished.
However, it is culturally accepted that when an innocent Iraqi, Palestinian, Afghan and a Pakistani dies they are not automatically accorded the same human right that Westerners and whites are. They are not viewed as valuable lives, but they are looked down upon as “collateral damage”. They are not human beings, but they are objects and chattel. They are subordinates and secondary. There are no memorials for them. There are no events for them to mark their death anniversaries. Nobody cares about them. Why should anyone as they are just sorry people who are getting in our way as we “light up” the world with “freedom” and “democracy”? After all they are just “terrorists” by our interpretation of the world, therefore all these people should not be deserving of the rights that North America and Europe take for granted. They are less human than us, so it doesn’t matter what they go through as they don’t feel and breathe. They can be killed and it’s all right as long as we keep deriving self-satisfaction out of it, because we are doing something “good” and “noble”.
Here is what will happen if tomorrow morning if there is a bomb attack in London or Paris or NY or any other European or North American city vs. a drone attack in Pakistan:
The citizens of imperialist nations will be remembered till the end of living days, their personal stories will be told a million times over, their pictures will be all over the media, tears of their families will be broadcasted, leaders around the world will pay visits to the attacked sites, there will be compensations to the families, there will be fierce rhetoric against the attackers and a promise of revenge. On the other hand, Pakistani women and children killed in a bomb attack will be a tool for an end, meaning their murder will be justified under the name of “fighting terrorism” and making the “world safe for democracy”. They will not be humans but tools and a means to some supposedly higher end. Moreover, the leaders and intellectuals of the “Free World” will preach to these barbarians that they actually don’t understand what a noble act America and her allies are undertaking. The immature children, as Pakistanis clearly are given the fact that they are Pakistanis, will be taught that they are incapable of seeing that what is being done is in reality good for them. American and her allies are angels who can’t commit sins and they will say to Pakistanis that they should be silent and let the masters carry on and not be ungrateful, and one day you will comprehend what an amazing service has been done to Pakistanis – or Iraqis, Afghans, and whoever else happens to be “benefiting” from Western “benevolence”.
According to the Western narrative, the lives lost of these people are not actually anything wrong, but a sacrifice. The divine European and North American men are busy in some grand project, which once completed, will reveal itself worthy of millions of lost lives of Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis and others.
http://passittotheleft.org and Afghansforpeace.org
IS iNDIA MEIN SAB CHOR HEE CHOR
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India has more black money than the rest of the world combined,
says Swiss Banking Associationt
http://rupeenews.com/2012/01/india-tops-the-list-for-black-money-in-the-entire-world-swiss-banking-association-report/#comment-50302
“Abhi sirf char MP jail ke andar hain. Lekin 400 daku toh Sansad [Parliament] mein baithe huey hain”–Anna Hazare
It is estimated that the Indian black money stashed in foreign banks is a staggering 1.5 trillion dollars.
According to analysts “India tops the list for black money in the entire world with almost $1,456 billion in Swiss banks in the form of black money.”
According to the data provided by the Swiss Banking Association Report (2006), “India has more black money than the rest of the world combined.”
Indian-owned Swiss bank account assets are worth 13 times the country’s national debt. Independent reports published through 1991 to 2011, calculated the financial net worth of its most powerful dynastic Nehru-Gandhi family is between $9.41 billion and $18.66 billion, most of it in the form of illegal laundered monies.
Russian Harvard Scholar Yevgenia Albats, and investigative journalist cited KGB Chief Viktor Mikhailovich Chebrikov divulged actual payments to Rajiv Gandhi “authorisation to make payments in US dollars to the family members of Rajiv Gandhi, namely Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Paola Maino, mother of Sonia Gandhi” from the CPSU in December 1985.
Dr Manmohan Singh’s (read Sonia Gandhi) UPA government were to the tune of $32 billion. The Hindu ran the story on June 13 this year as, “the Communist Party of India (Marxist) on Sunday hit out at the United Progressive Alliance government, saying it lacked credibility to fight corruption. The party advocated inclusion of the Prime Minister in the Lokpal [Ombudsman] legislation.”
80,000 Indians travel to Switzerland every year, of whom 25,000 travel very frequently.
India with $1456 billion or $1.4 trillion has more money in Swiss banks than rest of the world combined. Public loot since 1947
This is why the leftist India, (Naxals, CPI(M) Dalits supported the call of Mr Hazare. Capitalist giants, like Tatas, Ambanies, Mittals, and Birlas, along with their cohorts in Indian politics and civil-military bureaucracy, own 90 percent of India’s wealth, while the rest of the country reels under abject poverty.
The factory workers and peasants toil in the sweat shops and humidified paddy fields for a paltry sum of $2 a day (reflective of 75% of all Indian). The “islands of prosperity are being built within a sea of misery. ” Can Hazare shake the very foundation of the Indian house of cards built on rampant corruption, injustice, and inhuman cast system. Can the downtrodden and suppressed Naxals, Dalits, Muslims, Sikhs, and members of the civil society hold his wrinkled hand and march to New Delhi for a final showsdown with the flag bearers of the most corrupt system in the world? This is a million dollar question.
In March 2005, the Tax Justice Network (TJN) published a research finding demonstrating that $11.5 trillion of personal wealth was held offshore by rich individuals across the globe.
The findings estimated that a large proportion of this wealth was managed from some 70 tax havens.
Hazare’s movement is picking up the momentum, his messages are followed by revolutionary poetry, especially Faiz Ahmed Faiz’s famous poem “Hum Dekhen Gay” has become very popular with the call for the time, “when the mightiest rulers are dethroned and their crowns are tossed in the air.” If Anna Hazare’s anti-corruption struggle succeeds in India the country may then complete the Saffron revolution and become a Hindu state in earnest.
Mr. Hazare is part and parcel of the Saffron Brigade who has gutted breweries. The Guardian describes the bigot as a ” former soldier who joined the army in response to the country’s 1962 defeat in the border war with China and experienced an epiphany during its later 1965 war against Pakistan. He was manning a border post when it came under attack from Pakistani forces…”
to AKB
Did you eat your cow today? Did you relish the part under her tail? Your choice of language shows you did.
But let me tell you a secret that you still do not know: chapati, dal, curds, oranges etc. taste better.
As regards chor (=thieves) in India – they all became muslims or their bootlickers. That was their big chance.
There is no black money in swiss banks; people deposit money in swiss banks to reduce their tax liability in their country of origin, which is usualy in excess of what they pay in switzerland.
Rex money
Pakistan is in bed with the yanks who are pissing on them; the latest revelation on sixty minutes should the Pakistanis that culturaly they have nothing common with the yanks! A high wall around a house in Pakistan is a norm but not in the USA culture. Pakistan has traitors within and the Yanks regard them as good democrats.
Mr Jahanzeb Hussain rhetoric is not worth the paper it is written on. Pakistanis cannot compete in propaganda game, which the new liberal conservative think learnt fro Goebbel’s books.
Rex Minor
@ observ
Buster got flustered!!
Yeah, I love Indu cows…send some over!!
Chronicling The Hindutva Threat
By Ram Puniyani
30 January, 2012
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(Book under Review: The Saffron Condition, Politics of Repression and Exclusion in Neo Liberal India by Subhash Gatade, Three Essays Collective, New Delhi, Pages475, Rs 500)
The phenomenon of rise of Hindutva politics, the politics of RSS and its affiliates, has posed a severe threat to the democratic polity of India, to the rights of Minorities and dalits. This politics becomes grossly visible in the form of outbursts of violence. But that’s just the superficial part of the phenomenon of Hindutva or for that matter of any politics in the name of religion. Its invisible part is creeping communalization of our system, bureaucratic, judicial, media and education. There is an onslaught on our liberal plural values and cultural ethos as they emerged through the freedom movement. Subhash Gatade in this compilation of his articles, written over a period of time takes this threat head. He begins with the superficially visible phenomenon of a violence and then takes us deeper to the real politics which is the agenda of Hindu right. He warns us time and over again that Hindutva is a reaction of section of society to the rise of democratic values, to the rights of minorities and dalits in particular.
Popularly it is perceived that RSS came up to counter the Muslim communalism. The book tells us that its anti Muslim stance is just a face of RSS politics. When one digs deeper one sees that formation of RSS is a reaction to the rising dalit assertion against the Brahmin hegemony which in turn was the accompaniment of our feudal land relations. This is the point of crucial importance. To see RSS politics just as anti minority one, leaves out the core part of the deeper agenda of Hindutva formation. The core part of this agenda relates to suppress the rights of dalits, to suppress the concept of ‘rights’ as such. This point comes over and over again in the book as Gatade deals with contemporary issues related to the dalits on one hand to the issues like state harassing the Human rights activists like Dr. Binayak Sen. So unless the anti-communal, secular movement takes these points into consideration the struggle for a secular-democratic society will remain an impossible dream. The point that RSS-Hindutva politics is a Brahminic counter revolution needs to be kept in mind, while outlining the strategies for plural democratic society, is the major undercurrent of the book.
One can point out that while this analysis has its merit, we also need to explain as to why a large section of middle classes form the fulcrum of this counter revolution. The explanation of this lies in the neo liberal economic phase of the country. In this phase the middle classes suffer from an ‘existential anxiety’, making them embrace the Hindutva ideology as this ideology or of any political ideologies basing themselves on religious identity. Such politics stands for status quo at various levels. The books’ emphasis on the rise of Hindutva politics in the neo liberal era deserves appreciation, as unless we focus on deeper process of society and nation we will not succeed in deciphering the nature of divisive politics in the name of religion. The book also tells us the import of judgments like the ‘Hindutva as a way of life’ and the Ayodhya verdict going off tangents from legal angel and basing itself on the faith, assertively imposed on the society. The essays in the book elaborate that the ‘Right’ has become ‘center’ and that’s where the crux of the matters lies. So the issue just does not remain whether BJP, the political child of RSS, is occupying the seat of power at the center or not, the issue becomes the all round percolation of the right wing ideology becoming a part of communal common sense.
Gatade also takes up the Soft Hindutva of Congress, which has been a supporting factor for the rise of RSS politics. Congress supposedly secular, is hardly able to uphold the secular values, leading many to think that it is other side of the coin of communalism. While conceding that Congress, particularly after Gandhi-Nehru has committed blunders after blunder while dealing with threats posed by communal politics, its nature has to be properly understood. While theoretically a secular party, it has compromised time and over again when the crunch come. Still, no party in India can be equated or compared to the BJP, the poltical child of RSS. BJP as the upholder of Hindutva agenda has been proatviely promoting Hindutva, while Congress has not been able to protect the secular ethos in a forthright manner. It is a matter of conjecture whether it will be able to gather strength to stand up more strongly against the communal forces. The themes relate to Saffronization of Neo Liberal state, Logic of caste and state of Human rights, The book is a compilation of the prolific writings of the author who seems to have been burning the mid night oil to keep our consciousness alive to the threats and challenges faced by our republic. It is a must for the scholars and concerned citizens.
to AKB
1)
One should not give into the demands of a fool or a sexually pervert person. It is wrong to gift wine to an alcoholic. It is wrong to give political or juridical power to the follower of a fascist-imperialist ideology like islam.
2)
Ram Puniyani is a covert muslim. He knows that hating and humiliating hindus brings fame in India and love from muslims. I would trust him more if he also writes a book exposing the fascism and imperialism inherent in islam. He should not remain criticising hindus only. Let him publish two books simultaneously – one criticising islam and the other criticising hindus – then he becomes more credible. He is just a quisling of muslims.
@ observ
Read this you idiota!
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Think and Grow Peaceful
“And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.” the Bible
In his article, “Today I Will Make a Difference,” Max Lucado wrote, “Today I will make a difference. I will begin by controlling my thoughts. A person is the product of his thoughts. I want to be happy and hopeful. Therefore, I will have thoughts that are happy and hopeful. I refuse to be victimized by my circumstances. I will not let petty inconveniences such as stoplights, long lines, and traffic jams be my masters. I will avoid negativism and gossip. Optimism will be my companion, and victory will be my hallmark. Today I will make a difference.”2
The reality is that we eventually become what we constantly think about for “what the mind dwells on the body acts on.”
Admittedly, controlling our thoughts can be much easier said than done. To succeed, it not only needs consistent practice and mental discipline, but also the resolution of things that “bug” us. For instance, if we have any major unresolved personal conflicts with accompanying super-charged negative emotions, these can have a major effect on our thinking. They can be compared to having a throbbing toothache that literally controls our thinking. Because of the pain, it’s just about impossible to think about anything else until we get to the dentist and have the aching tooth taken care of.
To live a peaceful life, it is imperative that we learn to control and consistently think positive thoughts. And to control our thoughts, it is imperative that we resolve any and all personal conflicts. In other words, if we want to live peacefully we need to get all our “emotional-tooth-aches” resolved.