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A study of Anti-Americanism in Pakistan (Part III)
by Abdul Majeed Abid
Regarding the basis of hate towards the US, Professor Hamid Kizilbash’s paper in 1988 stated that Pakistanis give three kinds of reasons for negative feelings about America. One involves U.S. policies toward Pakistan such as failure to come to Pakistan’s aid during the Bangladesh crisis, using Pakistan for its own interests, and opposition to Pakistan’s peaceful nuclear program. A second deals with American global policy, including support of Israel, opposition to Iran’s present government, and use of force against small Third World nations. The third includes American involvement in Pakistan—for example, support of the military regime, obstructing a settlement of the Afghan issue, and responsibility for the decline in the value of the local currency.
Columnist Fasi Zaka in one of his columns suggested that the kind of anti-Americanism found these days (among the middle-classes of the country) is extremely ill-informed. He wrote that a lot of young Pakistanis are basing their understanding of international politics by watching low-budget straight-to-video ‘documentaries’ on YouTube!
The unfortunate fact is that most of Anti-America bashing is done for all the wrong reasons. United States of America is no beacon of International justice nor are they the mega-scheming empire that we so love to depict in our lengthy and flowery diatribes. U.S.A is neither the “great Satan” nor is the “defender of democracy”, it is somewhere in between these two extremes. The most accurate basis of U.S-bashing would be to criticize the impunity with which that country holds the rest of the world accountable based on its standards or the brazen use of force by the United States across the globe(and NOT only against the Muslims-contrary to popular belief) over the last 70 years. Ironically, more people in the United States itself and in Europe protested against the Iraq war than in any of the Muslim “Ummah”. While we are at it, it should also not be forgotten what the “Muslim Imperialism” did in its own days. If Mohammad bin Qasim can come all the way from Hijaz to Sindh just because of a letter written by a woman, Moosa bin Naseer can send an army to help Count Julian across the Mediterranean, G.I Joe also has the equal right to retaliate when a bunch of dimwits attack its homeland via flying planes. America is not controlling the world like we think it is. Add this to the fact that more than 90% Pakistani people have never been to the U.S and have never met an American in real life.
Another ugly issue surrounding the prevalent anti-Americanism is the hypocrisy of it. Most people attending the “Go Amrika Go” rallies would love to get a U.S Visa and spend their rest of lives in the same country whose flag they burn on monthly basis for fun. People like this can be seen queuing up outside American fast-food chains, they like to wear American brands(new or second hand), they watch American films, follow the trends set by Americans, use American-built devices like a Personal Computer or an iPhone and the list goes on and on. It would be unfair not to say that one characteristic that unites us Pakistanis is this hypocrisy that we fail to see.
U.S is not the wealthiest country in the world, rather it the country with the most loans. The unemployment rates in United States are rising on weekly basis, people are getting their homes taken away from them, if “Amrika” is so powerful, Why can’t it help its OWN people? We have been made to think via convoluted conspiracy theories that Amrika has some kind of Vendetta against Muslims. No doubt, a lot of Muslim countries have been at the receiving end of Amrika’s wrath including Iraq, Afghanistan and lately Libya. But does that mean what was happening at Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya was Justified.? The genocide being committed by Saddam and Qaddafi was “western propaganda” only? Al-Qaeda was a bunch of average bearded guys who played for the same football team? As a society, we do not want to tolerate any dissenting voice and I am already expecting remarks branding me “another American agent” or “Amriki apologist” and all my protestations will be useless when that happens.At the end, I would just like to re-quote Mr. Tufail Ahmad, “It[Anti-American sentiment] hegemonizes minds and prevents people from seeing facts as they exist”
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@Abid, your description of American behavior is largely correct but more important question is why? You don’t know, then how can you explain how Pakistanis feel. Again clueless.
Ask me if you need help.
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Abdul Majeed Abid
When analyzing the behavior of nations one must understand how human nature generally works, sociologists tell us that; since the collection of facts and figures is cumbersome on the mind, and ever so more in today’s age of pouring data, people and communities always culture a general worldview about everything that’s going around them.
The fact of the matter is that a person who has read the encyclopedia, will also find himself unable to answer many questions vital to his existence, just like his layman friend, and they will both end up in ‘believing’ this and ‘believing’ that. And, after all your fact gathering, you are also promoting a worldview, which is in no way absolute.
The best a man can do is not, to make a worldview by first stuffing all possible data in his mind, because that is impossible, but what he can do is find something consistent with the general body of data and his own moral and ethical standards, something that connects and balances his objective with his subjective.
Therefore in my worldview, the US is not the all-powerful, the omnipresent, only God has that stature. But one should appreciate the fact that those holding the reigns of power have the brunt of responsibility on their very shoulders. When they will infest a body with one disease, ten others will follow; corruption will bear more corruption; and when the only way nations act with each others is like vulture feeding on the other’s deaths, then what will be the order of the world.
You may say now that i am conspiracy driven, no, but i do believe in the power of individuals, the difference one man can bring, the impact that can be reached by a good deed or a bad one.Surely much of the repercussions that follow their acts must be out of the control of US and its European allies, all they can do is take a bad initiative, the rest will follow on its own, all estimates can prove wrong.
World history is power-centered, there have been superpowers throughout known history, man has not civilized his way out of that, perhaps it is his very nature. The best is to find power in pious hands. Whatever the Muslim rulers did cannot justify the miseries of the twentieth century, written down by the pens of the those who control the resource around the world (search ‘super-class’ on google) and are aided by the most high-tech think-tanks and the most lethal weaponry humanity has yet faced.
How do you compare the use of technology and being science-friendly to be a vice, with the culling of whole nations as a ‘mistake that can be excused’, because after all ‘they had a right’ to kill 3 million for a 3 thousand, because ‘you know how much they love democracy and humanity, and they want to liberate everybody’.
Dear Aneel,
I totally agree with your point that person on the street doesn’t give a damn about the facts as his mind is not trained to do that, but I think this is not what is the right way to do it(what most people are doing does not make that right? does it?) I have started with facts and figures and research done on the phenomena of anti-Americanism to build my case and then in the last part, I’ve presented my own observations. I have in no favored either Pakistani nation or Amrika, I have criticized America as well as the hypocrisy displayed by “the man on the street” as I am no Amrika-maniac or blind to my own peoples’ mistakes. I have not “compared the use of technology and being science-friendly” to anything..and i have not sided with “culling of whole nations” anywhere EVER..(unless you have seen me write that somewhere)..and I have MENTIONED in the article that USA is NOT the defender of Democracy in the world as they like to proclaim.
@ParvezM
This was not a psycho-social analysis of the phenomena of Anti-Americanism, anyhow I would like to know your answer to your own question. and I want to inform you that you are NOT SUPPOSED to pick on other posters, as you did in your 2nd post. Failure to comply with community standards will result in deletion of your post.
Abdul abid sirji, I admire your honesty. Well researched article. But have you not asked the obvious question- how come India and Sri Lanka do not suffer from this degenerate American dependancy and hate.
Deafening silence there.
Answer lies in self sufficiency, trade, absence of a militaristic jehadi mindset, democracy and a desire by Sri Lankans and Indians to be friends with the whole world. On equal basis.
I shall stop now and come in later. Thanks for allowing contribution. Sardar Sandhu, Hayes, UK
Sorry, but the finale is too weak to support the conclusions. To be fair, the subject is a very complex and probably needs a seies of articles, better titled as the “Fall of Imperialist America”. More facts need to be considered and comments such as people queing up for a visa is very petty.
The only western country which does not recognise the International Criminal Court at Hague.
American forces are burning copies of Quraan in a muslim country not far from Islamabad and Peshawar, and pissing on dead bodies of muslims.
Pakistanis and Afghans protests are relatively very mild, the somalians torned into shreds the bodies of dead American marines when they were invaded by the yanks.
Those who keep refering to the twin towers, why do’nt they also remind the readers of the tomahawk missiles which were sent cruising by the clinton Govt. into Pakistan and Afghanistan to catch the so called spud in a camp?
The problem is that if one does not consider the Psyche of people behind the protests, no solution can be found to overcome the situation and things can go worst.
Today’s America is different from the America of Kennedys, its foreign polcy fully controlled by the Zionists. Its policy has not changed towards Pakistan since Henry Kissinger days, since all those who came after Kissinger were the student of Henry and therefore controlled by him. He is today the advisor to Mr Obama, and not very lng ago said that it was a mistake to have recognised Pakistan as an independent country.Pakistan Govt. should have declared him as a person non grata. Did they?
Rex Minor
I THINK THE american grassroots people have nothing against pakistan. It is the rot at the top, much worse in Pakistan.
We have the corruptest government imaginable, that is cause of the cause.
AntiAmericabn”ism” represents repulsion against our truncated leaders (really geedars with forex accounts off shores/ overseas) and the Right Wing Racist KKKrap rulerrs and their chamchas ( Patronage) in the USA.
In Pakistan there exists no respect or markdet for merit. There are Double Standards and GOODS governance … we are astrated by poverty and consequently impotent to hang the guilty, so we blame All Americans.
We should take a nanomoment and look into our own inner Self (Gairaibaan).
GOD !! BLESS GOOD PEOPLE OF PAKISTABN.. THEY HAVE SUFFERED MORE THAN ENOUGH…. TOBAH-TOBAH!!
@Mr Sandhu
The answer to your question; Because the America does not object to Indian military occupation of Kashmir. India also shares the philosophy of capitalism and free trade with America; whereas the Europeans practice social market economy and therefore do not have millions without food as is the case in great America and India.
Rex Minor
@Rex Minor
You don’t sound v.different from the “man on the streets” implying the ZIONISTS for everything that USA does and announcing the “fall of the empire”. Indeed USA’s financial problems will rob it of the political manouevring that it has done with impunity for the last 100 years but it doesn’t mean USA will extinguish from the face of earth. And I agree that this phenomenon is not easy to grasp and merits need for a series of articles. I did what I could, with about 2000 words. If you think you can write more, please do that and send us your contribution.
@AM
I reckon that you have done a great job and we should all appreciate it. You are right, I feel the pulse of the man in the street as well, so did to my surprise Myra Macdonald, who writes for the Reuters Blog.
Opinons can change but the facts do not. America can no longer survive on consuming more world resources than they produce. The Casino economy, the centre of Zionism, accounts for 40 percent of their GDP.
We are moving away from capital+labour to capital with innovation+labour and alone I phones are not sufficient to support uncontrolled dollar printing. But this s another subject. Again many thanks.
Rex Minor
AbdulMajeed and all others
My point was not that we should go by the street-thinking and not evaluate, my point was that the street-thought is not sponsored by any single force, it accumulates with constant exchange of ideas and represents the beliefs and inspirations of a whole people; it cannot be dumped as nonsense, a whole set of a billion people cannot construct their worldview on sheer falsehood.
If you think people are so darn senseless then why are you so much for democracy and the right of self determination; the people of Pakistan ,at least should not have the right to vote.
Can you see now, that, when a people as a whole make a mindset, beliefs and theories; that is what they are, it is their decision for themselves, you or i have no right to inferiorize them. That is for outsiders, the insiders have whole lot of ways to bring change.
The problem with modern blogs is that you present the facts in an insulting and self-amusing manner, and even the least literate will sense insult and hate, it smogs between the lines, and you hamper yourself as you proceed.
@aneel-shehzad
You are accusing us blog-writers of acting as self-righteous, know-it-all elite liberal class. Indeed, this generally is the true picture, especially in English media which caters mostly to people who do not even understand these problems. I for my part try to avoid this problem and somehow I end up criticizing the “people on the street” of hypocrisy. But I am not alone in making this observation nor am I insulting anyone. There are different approaches of solving a problem, my approach is to identify a problem, criticize it and try to find some solution. Other people may think a conciliatory approach is a better one. I have always tried not to sound biased OR out-of-touch with the common man’s sentiment. I do not intend to patronize, I intend to educate. and I am not patting my back anywhere in this article or any of my previous ones. If you think I am, please also share it with me so that I can learn from my mistake.
Again my post has been deleted without being read or answered. Why insult participants on the PTH? I find it unfair that one person can decide who is to read what? How can there be an honest dialogue if one person has his hands tied down?
@Mr Shahzad
well said! I do not live in your world but leaving aside the emotional expressions of the south Europeans and that of the Indian sub continent, the reaction of the people is more or less the same all over. The people in the street are more rational in the street than the political leadership who are elected as their representatives.
This can be very simply explained by the fact that they are subjected by all sorts of media including the bouleward news papers, cable network and the lobbyists as well as the rhetoric of the politicians and publicists who participate in Talk shows. And when the mass is full, they react and sometime unruly and even violently.
We are experiencing this in the democracy of an industrial country on a regular basis, and the response they receive from the political leadership that the masses are not properly informed and are irrational. Our President has said adeo only last week, on account of receiving private credit with favourable interst rate during the period of his priemiership of a Province.
Democracy cannot function unless there is accountability of the Govt. to their peers. I note that that the accountability in your part of the world has a different measure and a tolerence lavel.
Let no one, neither in media, nor in the govt. or among the intellectual elites of the society underestimate the majority in the street since their geist(mind & soul).
Rex Minor
PS
After the merican debacle, a NATO officer said, let us get the hell out of Afghanistan and leave the country to Talibans. Not very rational, is it?
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@Mr Majid to Mr Shahzad
Well sid, and the basis for a construtive dialogue!
Sir, your interest to identify the problem followed by ” I want to educate” contradict each other. This has been the strategy of neo-liberal- conservatives or the think tankin the USA, the anglo-saxons when Tony Blair deveoped a “SPIN NETWOR” and the centre right srategies of France and Germany. It would appear that Pakistan is equaly infected.
One learns from the people to educate oneself; is the secret to come closer to the truth. For this the prerequisite is to speak and understand the languages of the people and their cultures. No foreigner therefore could understand the expression of your people, but you could. Imran Khan is then going to alter his views about the LIBERALS of Pakistan.
Rex Minor
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Anti-Americanism is not a Pakistani phenomenon only – on the globe where ordinary people found out who actually was behind pulling the rug from under their feet – in the form of stifling democracy, mini genocides, preventing development and support of repressive individuals, they revolted against the culprit. These feelings actually are intense in Latin America, Africa and even next door in Iran.
The thesis put forward is rather weak.
Interesting polemic by the author. The shallow depths of pseudo-intellectualism common amongst “liberals” in Pakistan is on full display here. As rex and aneela have pointed out, you cannot pretend to do an unbiased analysis by “educating” at the same time. Neither will cherry-picking facts do the trick (times, circumstances, policies change), nor dismissing people with their valid concerns. The whole notion of explaining “anti-Americanism” is getting off on the wrong foot. You’re assuming off-hand that there is no reason to be “anti-American” AND making America out to be a victim, thus giving its trolls space to counter any real criticism by expaining it away as a psychological disorder of ‘anti-Americanism”. This is common amongst those who yell anti-semitism at every turn (note to author, using MEMRI/tufail ahmed is probably not the best citation to use in intellectual matters. Please read the shoddy history and refrain from giving it any credibility). How about a part 4 polemic on “Anti-Islamism”?
On the whole, being anti or pro anything will not do anybody any good. It only gives a certain section of society (the neocon anti-Muslim establishments) credibility and closes us off from engaging and having a consequential relationship with progressive elements within the society who do see the particular actions of their governments as harming humanity. So yes, in essence you’re right. But not with the argument you’ve used.
@AM
Yes it is a teaching moment.You got the answer from a number of bloggers and if you integrate those into your world view, you got my response.
Sikander
You’ve raised an interesting thought in my mind; all the anti-things serve to disintegrate society and create a confrontational environment, where everybody has to take one side; to be labeled.
This is exactly how free thinking,inquiry and progressive change can be hampered, this is something like sectarian violence, and we are always in a state of emergency. thanks.
@observe
ALL the posts that were OFF-TOPIC or included reference to ANYTHING that was unrelated to ANTI-AMERICANISM IN PAKISTAN is being deleted from this thread. So, you are not the only “victim” here.
@Parvez
I don’t know where you have read it but there is not much anti-Americanism in IRAN for crying out loud. I’m not saying there is simply NO thoughts on this matter in Iranian media but the level which we see in Pakistan is unprecedented in Asia.
For people who have pointed out Anti-Americanism in other regions, Please note that my concern is to first focus on my own country.
We are soon putting up our POLICY regarding commenting and that would be strictly implemented from then on-wards.
My sincerest apologies! My intentions were not meant to harm! Just the opposite!
Lady Guinevere
Aneela, i don’t know if i would go as far as saying that they serve a purpose of disintegration. I’m just saying that it is all useless, especially the way in which we go about it. Engagement with ALL (especially enemies) is the best policy. I think this is something anyone of any political/ideological persuasion can agree on. I wish i could subscribe to your progressive attitude, but given my experience i don’t think “rationality”, dialogue, “free thinking” will get us anywhere. Please refer to the link: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/
@AMA, Iran is a different case and the reason you don’t see much street anger towards the US establishment is because the government is cognizant of the enemy it faces. It does not blow hot hair up peoples’ regarding its relationship with the US. The people have confidence in the government on this issue as opposed to the current Zardari regime which frankly doesn’t even have a policy on anything, much less defense or foreign relations. Not calling for an outright confrontational approach, but nuance is require instead of the present pusillanimous approach (which i would not mind if it actually achieved something). Please don’t come back with “the establishment” canard and excuse.
Lady Guinevere
friend now.
I agree with most comments above, especially with Aneela, Sikander and Rex Minor .
Thank you Aneela, but if you mean Facebook, sorry but I do not participate. I’m flattered that you asked though.
Lady Guinevere
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Balwinder Sandhu ji
Anti-Americanism makes perfect sense as a pure ideological response. It has little to do with saving or protecting any kind of rational discourse.
Allow me to offer some examples. Few nations have suffered from American follies as much as did Vietnam, but neither in Vietnam nor among the Vietnamese in the US do you find morbid levels of anti-Americanism. Japan might have rebuilt itself but it does not suffer from blind hatred of America. How about India? For whatever reasons, the US and India spent first four decades disagreeing with each other – a time during which the US turned a blind eye to the transfer of Chinese nuclear technology to India’s hostile neighborhood, and before 9/11, paid scant attention to India’s endless entreaties against neighboring nurseries of terror targeting India. Yet except among the mad communists (who hate everybody, except themselves, and have their own unique reasons), there was no real hatred against the US – even with all the shameful shenanigans of Kissinger-Nixon who actually did hate Indians (as revealed in their own words).
Powerful nations follow the logic of power. Hating them for it, or not, depends entirely on the ideology one oneself follows. On little else.
So, now we have new info and wisdom from Kalchakra. Some corrections are necessary to protect the innocents.
.antiamericanism is the ideological response,in other words burning of USA flag, killing of senior American officers and throwing explosives at the marines is an ideology? Democracy base is people and cannot be imposed from above, and when the mass is full people explode and that is what we are witnessing. The European history is full of peoples taking to the streets and starting revolutions.
.Few nations have suffered from American follies as much as did vietnam;so what the Americans did in vietnam were follies? And I guess dropping of two AB’s in Japanese cities should be considered as collateral damage. And erasing the city of Dresden to ashes with over half a million civilians dead, was a mishap. One must not get confused with the behaviour pattern, which depends on peoples culture and the DNA, of the people towards events which infuriate the public. The Budhists and the shintus do it in silence or suicides, the Europeans usualy take a walk and hold posters, and the Americans go bezirk and start shooting and the blacks break into shops and loot them.
.transfer of chinese nuclear technology to India hostile neighbour? This is definitely a classic one and indicates ignorance of science of physics. Two brilliant people born in an Indian village are responsible for developing loly pops for India and Pakistan? it therefore follows from kalchakra’s story that India also received the chinese knowhow?
Henry, the German jew, said about Pakistan that the USA should not have recognised Pakistan independence. He is a war criminal and should have been brought before the Internationational criminal court. Surprisingly, the USA foreign policy todate reflects his strategy. Today he is the foreign policy advisor to Mr Obama.
It is my experience that no one in the world outside the Indian sub continent hates India; they simply pity the Nation of Gandhi who ever since independence have been persecuting their own kind.
Rex Minor
PS Nothing personal, just a few corrections of historical facs.
rex minor as the corrector of history and facts on the PTH!!!
Muslims are more persecuted in muslim countries than in non-muslim countries. Number of muslims fleeing from muslim countries is far larger.
Anti-americanism is necesarry for Pakistan since Pakistan was born out of hate and slander against someone. The USA is realizing the doubledealings and the misuses done by Pakistan. So now USA is the enemy of Pakistan! Whoever does not agree to approve of or remain silent about Pakistan’s misdeeds is called enemy of Pakistan.
No wonder China and Saudis are the best “friends” of Pakistan. They want to misuse Pakistan for different purposes.
@Observ
Now revisit your input with me and tell me if you were saying something new.
. Muslims are more persecuted…………………… I agree with you but what relation it has with the antiamericanism?
.Anti-americanism is necessary.for Pakistan.since Pakisan was born out of hate……………………………….. . I do not follow your thesis.
.No wonder China and Saudis are the best friends……….. What is the involvement of China Saudis in antiamericanism?
Now here is a tip for you, recall Indian mutiny of 1857, when hindus and muslims revolted against the occupiers; this could tell you the conflict of Musalmans with any Country which inflicts injuries on their souls and they are not always controllable, depending upon he individuals education, brought up and DNA. Let no one expect from musalmans or even hindu population a passave response.
The rest are just add ons and when the mass is full, a small incident can cause the overspill. Look what is happening across the border in Afghanistan, The Yanks and their allies are under attack througout Afghanistan.
Rex Minor
Dear Abdul Majid Abid
Pl explain your censoring policy. I see comments put up and subsequently deleted even WHEN THERE IS NO ABUSE OR FOUL LANGUAGE.
I head a busy blog in India / UK and the very fine minds there could bring new life to PTH, personally I find Rex Minor clash a bit too predictable and repetitive. Both of them have been ciircling the same hanky on the ground for too long.
I also think I feel nauseous every time I read the words Islamo-fascism or zionism- you know which two culprits I refer to again.
So, PTH and author, do you want our group in here or not- we are all highly educated Indian professionals who do not indulge in Bollywood style sentimentalism, or meaningless wordplay- debate has to be to solve problems.
Pl let me know- you have my email address
Regards BSS, Hayes, UK
Kaalchakra, puttar, I know not your religion, your nationality or your politics. But what you write here is SIMPLE BASIC COMMON SENSE.
I see Rex’s response- radical islamists come in a spectrum. At the worst end are the suicide bombers. At the mildest end of the spectrum, and please Rex do not be offended, are ppl like Rex- extremely verbose muslims who indulge in verbal gymnastics. They see the world in black and white and repeatedly talk of believers, ummah, shariah etc.
Its like that aloo anday song- Imran Khan is Taleban with a bow tie.
Observer, thanks- tr statement is lovely- Muslims are more persecuted in muslim countries than in non-muslim countries.
Author, the cause of anti Americanism lies in the rapidly increasing hate in Pakistani societies in last 15 years against all non sunnis. Simple as.
And any discussion of any negative aspect of Pakistan NEEDS MUST INVOLVE A COMPARISON WITH INDIA – why not there, should be asked. Not doing so is burying head in sand.
Thank you all. 6.30 pm here in UK- pub time- cant help it- its my punjaabi genes
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Now the educated class is coming from the island! This flunky tells us that 95 percent of the barber shops in the UK are run by Pakistanis, he does not know the reason for it. Why worry if he does not need a hair cut for religion reasons. He also says that they(Americans) are burning just books, .
Hitler unifomed youth was also burning just books mostly written by or about jews. No one stood up to Hitler, and this was followed by millions deaths in gas chambers!
Raj says that Balwinder has forgotten to think like an Indian? I cannot recognise that he thinks like the Brits too. He is probably trying to win Inndian like bloggers for his outlet for educated people. Hey Sandhu, do not take it personal, but any idea why your labour Govt. lost the elections and Tony Blair was exiled to middle east? Any Anti-Americanism feelings or just Anti-Bush campaign?
Rex Minor
PS
And please refrain from name calling.
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AMA and Rex
The argument is taking circles, lets analysis it a fresh.
I think those who think like the author, are upholders of modernity, and think of the world as a global village, where consensus and approval of all should be a sought-for virtue. People who believe in dialogue and non-violence.
But on the other hand we find many who abuse this sense of commune and we find all out war under every slogan of peace. The upholders of secularism constantly attack religion, those of democracy despise the non-intellect of the masses and the greatest peace-force, the UN is so friendly to war in select places.
Why Muslims agitate, not because their empty dark minds have nothing to do but cook conspiracy, but because they victims; of war, bloodshed, violence and hate, because they feel cornered, because every other community of the world accept the communist (who are not very out-spoken) make a scapegoat out of them, specially of Pakistan.
Sorry to say but all such communities equally behave as fanatic and conspiracy-driven against us.
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If you win it’s divine, if you lose you are a victim.
Milestogo
I say this is another type of ‘conspiracy’ being spread through mainstream media, a heard a guy saying that Muslims are in a state of denial cause their God has left them in misery.
This is an example of ‘i know you better than you know yourself’,this religion never promises us that the mouths of treasures will be opened to us only if we call ourselves Muslim, whether or not we implement the true law. For us the Divine is Divine, win or lose, the Quran explicitly says that if bad things happen to you that is because of your own doing.
We are victims of lies, and our weaknesses give reasons for lies to be taken as truths.
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