Articles Comments

Pak Tea House » Uncategorized » [Draft] Comment moderation policy & Community guidelines

[Draft] Comment moderation policy & Community guidelines

From Editors of Pak Tea House

Dear Readers, PTH is a space on the blogosphere that promotes ideas of liberalism, tolerance, equality, freedom of speech and respect for Law. We want our society to be a harmonious, tolerant society and we want fellow Pakistanis to agree to disagree with each other. Keeping in view these principles, we are presenting our future policy regarding comments made on the posts. We want people to reply to posts if they do not agree with the author but we will not tolerate any kind of hate-speech, trolling or abuse.
There are 6 simple guidelines which we expect all participants on  PTH to abide by, all of which directly inform our approach to community moderation. We are open to refining them, please give your feedback.

1. We understand that people often feel strongly about issues debated on the site, but we will consider removing any content that others might find extremely offensive or threatening. Please respect other people’s views and beliefs and consider your impact on others when making your contribution.

2. We will remove any post that contains view against any particular religion or sect or any religious personality.

3. We will remove any posts that are obviously commercial or otherwise spam-like. We will also Delete comments that are OFF-TOPIC, Contain majority of, or complete text of an article,Including direct quotes from religious texts or Comments in all CAPS.

 4. We reserve the right to redirect or curtail conversations    which descend into flame-wars based on ingrained partisanship or generalisations. We don’t want to stop people discussing topics they are enthusiastic about, but we do ask users to find ways of sharing their views that do not feel divisive, threatening or toxic to others.

5. We will remove any content that may put us in legal jeopardy.

6. We welcome debate and dissent, but personal attacks (on authors, other users or any individual), persistent trolling and mindless abuse will not be tolerated. We will remove comments  posted with explicit intent to provoke other commenters, writers or staff.

This must also be mentioned that any poster violating these terms repeatedly will be permanently banned from posting on the page.

Our aim is to ensure this platform is inclusive and safe, and that PTH is a place on the internet where you will always find lively, entertaining and, above all, intelligent discussions.

Written by

Filed under: Uncategorized · Tags: , , ,

49 Responses to "[Draft] Comment moderation policy & Community guidelines"

  1. Dr Mishra, Yorkshire United Kingdom Internet Explorer Windows says:

    I am a very senior Consultant Physician in the NHS in Yorkshire. I have daily interactions with the large Pakistani community here and am disturbed by their level of fundamentalism and paranoia. Even young doctors who come fresh from Pakistan are full of conspiracy theories.
    In an effort to bring various communities together, many of us have started community forums here, particularly after 7/7 bombings. Most Pakistanis here have been impressed by my knowledge of international history and the ability to apply it to problems of the subcontinent.

    Is was at the invitation of a Pakistani doctor that I came here. But I am sorry to say that your censoring is now becoming a comedy.
    I made this comment that got deleted. It related to my concern and anguish for lives lost- hence my plea-

    “Pl dont get worked up over burning of Quran. It just fans unnecessary anti Americanism.”

    In an article on anti Americanism, it is not off topic, as subsequently claimed. If you delete this simple comment, then it is like a Monty Python sketch. A bad comedy. Be brave enough to argue with the world, if PTH censors non abusive comments, the God help Pakistan.

    And in case you missed it, that last was an indirect compliment.

  2. Sal United Kingdom Google Chrome Windows says:

    I am a very long time reader of PTH. I have read every single blog and I really appreciate the knowledge I acquired from here. I never commented on any post before on PTH but now due to disagreement to new censor policy I am commenting for the first time.
    I believe that PTH was a liberal platform to raise one’s voice and to use rights of freedom of speech in a country where most often this right is taken away from people time after time. Ever since PTH has implemented new policy I can see deletion of comments that otherwise might be OK. PLease stop over censoring the comments ant change your policy appropriately. Thanks.

  3. AbdulMajeedAbid Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    Dear Sal,
    there has to be a certain limit for freedom of speech. nobody is usurping anyone’s’ rights by moderating comments that are not in compliance with a policy. This is not a draconian law, we are simply following the examples set by International and National newspapers on their web pages. You can check the policy of Pakistani newspapers with huge Internet response e.g. Express Tribune or that of International papers like Guardian and they have similar posting policies.
    @Dr. Mishra
    We are thankful for your visit to our page and we apologize if your comment was wrongfully deleted. It can be due to some mis-understanding.

  4. paktea Philippines Google Chrome Windows says:

    Dear friends, we are noting your concerns and will revise the policy once we have more feedback.

  5. rex minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    The outlined principles of PTH are very liberal and should be acceptable to those who want a constructive dialogue with the authors and other bloggers where possible.

    As a foreigner, but very close to the religion of Islam and a part of the western secular democratic society, I am interested to learn and willing to contribute my knowledge if it is of vaue.

    PTH editors could also include a clause in their rules that they reserve the right to delete in part or in total, bloggers comments without providing any explanation.

    Rex Minors

  6. Balwinder Sandhu United Kingdom Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Thank you Pak tea for honesty. I head a political blog in India and I personally invited my flock to come here last week. Many of them were bemused to see the random censoring.
    One group of comments got censored straightaway- COMPARISONS WITH INDIA.
    Sorry dear Pakistanis, but if there is something you do better than us- like producing fantastic pace bowlers- then we Indians have no hesitation in saying that we deeply value the expertise of Waqar and Wasim, and have paid them handsomely in the past.

    But how to march a country out of numbing poverty of centuries into 21st century rising regional power with world calss industries and underpinned with a govt that is committed to secularism, then you could learn from us. Your ‘maashra’ has a very poisoned rhetoric.

    So please do not censor any comparison with India or hindu-sikh culture, which may happen on 90% of articles you write. After all if the same genetic stock people with same resources have such divergent images in the world now, then PTH, YOU MUST NEVER SHY AWAY FROM SUCH DISCUSSIONS.

    Peace to all in Pakistan. Congrats on that Oscar, best wishes for Imran Khan’s jalsas (although cynically I remember the hero worship of dear ‘commando’ years ago, but that is anotehr story.)

    Sardar Sandhu, Hayes. UK

  7. Raj TOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    I have only two yardsticks for measuring PTH’s sincerity – whether they are doing anything to curtail anti-Hindu and ant-Indian venom and bile that has become normal in Pakistani society and is often tolerated on PTH itself; and whether PTH allows open discussion of religion on PTH!

  8. lord of the rings India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Censorship should first be applied on authors. I don’t abuse but YLH is one person who removes all comments disagreeing with him. He feels that he is the sole repository of all knowledge related to the subject he writes about.

  9. AbdulMajeedAbid Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @balwinder
    ANYTHING that doesn’t abide by the rules, GOES..We are not anti-India rather we want peaceful relations with our neighbors and people-to-people contacts.

  10. Balwinder Sandhu United Kingdom Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Thank you Abdul Abid. Since it is flavour of the week to be honest then please, if I may, say something strong. YLH has been abusive in the past, using terms like ‘Indian chutiyas’ . Fact.

    Also, you may disagree with Mahatma Gandhi’s policies, but for YLH to call him an ‘old fart’, while not illegal, was highly inappropriate and unbecoming of a senior journalist.

    I had, on that occasion, posted some outstanding examples of Mahatma’s love for muslims and his role in cooling riots, started ironically by Jinnah’s call for Direct Action Day. I also told him of the story of Gandhi and Nihari- pl google this heart rending story.

    So, sirji, how about a code of conduct for the authors here as well !!! APOLOGIES IF MY DIRECT APPROACH OFFENDS, but this nihang takes no prisoners.
    hehe

  11. aneela shahzad Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    AMA
    i understand the whole policy except one thing, why can’t we quote from religious text, can you give me a satisfying answer.

  12. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  13. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    It’s very effective though. Guess what’s the reason for American defeat in Afghanistan…

  14. PARIS BIENNIAL LAUREATE AND SENIOR ADVOCATE SUPREME COURT SYYED MOHUMMED JAWAID IQBAL JAFREE OF SLARPORE, BRIGHTON, PACIFIC PALISADES AND SUMMASATTA Pakistan Internet Explorer Windows says:

    i ENDORSE THIS NEW POLICY STATEMENT .. I HOPE THE EDITORS actually (and proactively) PRACTICE WHat they preach. and that the non-editors (like me!)seriously ponder it.

    On the other hand, some who were born in India (but are not wanted there) and are deliriously diasporing in the USA or Germany et cetera may have to sensibly restrain and curb themselves vis-a-vis their porious but blasphamous buckvaass. Their platform having slipped from underneath their hindsights…

    For example if someone were to malign Buddha or Geetaji or even Master Tara Singh … i don’t find that even remotely entertaining. Their quagmire = Bheegi Billy Kambah Nochay…

    I do not say the above because I am one of descendants from Holy Prophet Mohummed (p b u h) which I am and grateful to God almighty for that megahigh an honour. I say that because I am the youngest person ever included in Who’s Who in America, and I am the only Paris Biennial Laureate left alive in continental Asia. In the whole of the Indic subcontinent, only Pakistan has produced (albeit abused) any paris biennial laureate (Sadequain 1961; Iqbal Geoffrey l965 … both are naqvi cids). Alas, The Great Republic of India; Bhutan, Sikkim, Kashmir,Presentday Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives Islands have none (N.O.N.E.) to their credit.

    This, of course, I announce to the background music nauseateds by liberal breastbeating provided by bitchy-bitching faizless daughter-ters from Module Town… Yahooooooo!!

  15. PARIS BIENNIAL LAUREATE AND SENIOR ADVOCATE SUPREME COURT SYYED MOHUMMED JAWAID IQBAL JAFREE OF SLARPORE, BRIGHTON, PACIFIC PALISADES AND SUMMASATTA Pakistan Internet Explorer Windows says:

    the above text only contains one typo. sorry. my art collectors and connoisseurs who collect my typos as art of consequence .. please, simply blame your luck..

  16. Amjad Cheema United Kingdom Safari iPad says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  17. AbdulMajeedAbid Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @aneela
    Its a standard practice across all the Online newspapers. We do not want an all out war of religions on our page(which frequently happens if you might have noticed). We consider all religious texts to be sacred and we think that religion is the personal matter of every person, this is not a preaching site or a page to fight other religions or justify your own.
    “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State”
    @Amjad Cheema,
    your comment has been deleted because you violated clause 6 of our policy.

  18. sonam United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    It is your choice to bring in censorship but you will very soon notice
    less traffic on your site. I have always been admirer of this website
    because it allowed complete freedom to express an opinion.
    Still my all the good wishes are with you.

  19. AbdulMajeedAbid Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @sonam
    censor-ship and moderation are two different things. As has been mentioned in the post, we respect your opinions but there has to be some moderation to ensure an intelligent discussion.

  20. kaalchakra United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Excellent ideas, but I have one suggestion. If you “will remove any post that contains view against any particular religion or sect or any religious personality” then you must also consider removing all posts that contain any view * in favor of * any particular religion or sect or any religious personality.

    In absence of a policy giving equal space to people who may or may not like/admire/favor policies of any particular religion or sect or religious personality, PTH will descend into a mouthpiece of religious nuts of one variety or another.

  21. aneela shahzad Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    AMA
    That religious text is sacred and it should not be used to throw stones at each other,is agreeable, so we will avoid that.
    But we can’t be oblivious to the fact that many a topics dealt with, by a social blog such as this one, will question the belief system of the readers; as that is part of the thought structure of the many, do you expect people to express their opinion by standing outside their perspective; that is a high standard you are setting for readers.
    Another thing, when you mentioned ‘business of the state’, did you mean the state of Pakistan, a state in general or the state of matters of this blog.

  22. kaalchakra United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    aneela, a prohibition on quoting religious texts seems fine so long as it is enforced all the time. It should not allowed to either show the glory/goodness/modernity/timelessness of any text nor to show its absurdity/ill effects/outdatedness.

  23. kaalchakra United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Paris bhai

    Buddha, by his own teaching, was not above criticism. The so-called ‘holy’ figures have been bitterly and viciously criticized by people who have suffered from the legacies of these ‘holy’ men or by people who sought to reform their societies. Specifically, Mohammad cannot be a holy figure for people who reject his claims and his message, or by people who abused in his book.

    Please understand that religious allusions are extremely complex matters, far beyond the advocacy of any particular point of view. If PTH wishes to step out of that mess, we should respect their decision, but one hopes, they are not deciding to turn into an Islamist website that merely allows singing paens to some of the most controversial men and women of the past and their books. That would be a great loss to this site.

  24. AbdulMajeedAbid Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @ aneela
    valid question. indeed, we do want people to think out of the box, we just don’t want them to run towards scriptures every time they want to prove their point.
    regarding bussiness of state, I have quoted the 11th august 1947 speech of Mr. Jinnah, that is why I have used inverted commas, they are not my own words.

    @kalachakra
    we will ensure that no-one uses scriptures for any purpose, be it to glorify or for any other purpose.

  25. kaalchakra United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Thank you, editors. That would be wonderful. The ‘no-criticism’ policy is, IMO, fully defensible so long it also enforces ‘no-praise’. That assures an equal playing field for all.

    Thanks again.

  26. RHR United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Hi

    All thanks for your feed back…I hope that people will show responsibility in posting. PTH does not believe in censorship but at the same time, freedom comes with a responsibility.

    Regards

    Raza Habib Raja

  27. aneela shahzad Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    Moderator/AMA
    on second thoughts, defense of a named religion should not be sought, but when discussing ideas, we are always having a point of view; so we are always saying that we are or are not for democracy, pluralism, conspiracy… so on, so in the same sense we may or may not be for religion or fundamentalism or naturalism.. so on…

    therefore, no vent of the mind can really be closed, the bottom line will again be no bad language, no personal insult, we just have to behave.

    by the way, do you consider the speech above the constitution, i mean your not asking us to revolt, are you.

  28. kaalchakra United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    RHR

    Good to see that PTH still has you. Was afraid the gorges in Ithaca left you with no time to spare.

  29. RHR United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    @Kaal Chakra

    Haha Cornell is a beautiful place and so are those gorges!!!But PTH will always be one of my priorities!!!
    I continue to write articles though I admit that not very active as a moderator. I am more of a writer than a moderator or even commentator

  30. sta Pakistan Safari iPad says:

    I think this debate of moderation and censoring deserves more serious attention. It’s perfectly fine to differ with an opinion of anybody, even if it’s the moderators, but difference of opinion does not have to come wrapped up in uncivil and indecent language. Even in our daily chats and discussions at home and at our places of work, we do manage to maintain a certain degree of decency in the face of disagreement. If PTA is going to be the place that attracts meaningful discussions that are intellectual, honest and civil, the proposed Moderation Policy seems perfectly called for.

  31. Syed United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  32. MilesToGo United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  33. Amjad Cheema United Kingdom Safari iPad says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.
    (and thank you for branding us a Fascist Website)

  34. PARIS BIENNIAL LAUREATE AND SENIOR ADVOCATE SUPREME COURT SYYED MOHUMMED JAWAID IQBAL JAFREE OF SLARPORE, BRIGHTON, PACIFIC PALISADES AND SUMMASATTA Pakistan Internet Explorer Windows says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.
    Thank you Sir Geoffry for your input and sorry for deleting this but u violated Clause 3. OFF-Topic.

  35. Fingolfin India Google Chrome Windows says:

    i cannot fathom an India Pakistan debate without religion!!

    the whole rationale behind the creation of Pakistan was religion. t is bound to be behind every debate. of course most of PTH”s debates are Pakistan oriented, but that would mean that Indians wont have anything to say.
    only if we debate religions can we truly influence each others thinking. religion is so often a justification of the wrong that happens in both countries. how can we challenge that if we do not have the right to quote scriptures or debate religion in general?!
    i completely agree that there should be no defaming of the gods and prophets.but to put a blanket ban on discussing religion will only reduce the quality and RELEVANCE of these discussions.
    i completely agree with all the other restrictions but this restriction on discussing religion is SEVERELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
    please look into it.

  36. observ Germany Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    A religion that fanticizes a people and a people that fanaticizes a religion – that is Pakistan. Without this two-way trafficking Pakistan ceases to exist. Dying for an arab god is more important than living peacefully and rationally for fellow human beings. Bringing more land and humans under the boot of this arab religion is crucial – even when the agents of this religion don’t know what to do with the all that land and people afterwards. The only thing they know is to “invest” this land and people (even the children) on more dying-for-allah “divine” events. The world is watching with horror written on the face.

  37. rex minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    I have understood PTH editors guidelines for te bloggers, who wish to use their space for ones views about the article which is posted. This is their right and they want to enforce it. They have not mentioned about moderating bloggers input; the function of a moderator is to arbitrate, mediate and is usualy performed by some one who is not a writer of the article, but by an unbiased individual who is moderate in politics, religion and all other issues. I will not blame PTH for any shortcoming since I have never witnessed such an unruly bloggers on any other international internet forum. Might I suggest that PTH do not publicise the deletd comments without disclosure of the maerial.
    Thanks.

    Rex Minor

  38. [...] [Draft] Comment moderation policy & Community guidelines [...]

  39. Amjad Cheema United Kingdom Safari iPad says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  40. Amjad Cheema United Kingdom Safari iPad says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  41. Amjad Cheema United Kingdom Safari iPad says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  42. Zinna the zerk United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  43. Lady Guinevere United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Topic: Your Censorship (I wanted to note this so I do not get censored for being off topic)
    Comment: The day PTH Stops comments and arguments about Islam will be the day that PTH ceases to exist! “Duck! :-)

    Lady Guinevere

  44. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  45. Zinna the zerk United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  46. Amjad Cheema United Kingdom Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted.

  47. Hasan United Kingdom Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Guys clam down with your censor policy. First you will let anyone coming out of gutter to spew any filth they want and now you are overdoing the censoring. Why are you punishing the commentators for your earlier slackness?

  48. S Lucy United States Unknow Browser Unknow Os says:

    It is scarcely imaginable that someone fashionable wears a pair of big 
    monster limited edition 

    beats without any fashion elements and wanders through the streets. However, 

    Beats Studio cheap studio beats 

    dr drecomes at the right moment. First of all, Beats Studio 
    monster beats pro 

    cheaphas the moderate appearance, and taking American people’ body size into 

    account, Studio has the moderate size. In the respect of wearing, though the built-in 

    amplifier nfl collection beats by 

    dre designed Studio is a little heavier than normal headphones, you will not 

    feel tight. As a kind of high quality monster limited edition 

    beats
    , Studio is very comfortable to wear — On-Ear memory foam and comfortable feeling leather. 

    The unit shell has been done with high-light-reflecting processing. Though this process is 

    challenge – easily to get fingerprint, Sudio’s light-reflecting is very skillfully as it is 

    not reflecting light like a mirror and we will not easily notice that the shell gets 

    fingerprint actually.monster  beats pro cheap,cheap  beats by dre solo 

    hd,cheap  studio beats dr dre.

  49. mT60Dk Sweden Internet Explorer Windows says:

    328991 972923I got what you intend, saved to my bookmarks , really decent site . 868319

Leave a Reply

*

You may use these HTML tags and attributes: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>