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Nuclear Arsenal, Military and the Bruised Pakistani Identity
Raza Habib Raja.
A few days ago, Pakistan ( or at least some Pakistanis) “celebrated” 14th anniversary of Nuclear blasts. Although over the years, I have become used to weird things being hailed and celebrated ( after all it is Pakistan) but this one has always baffled me and continues to baffle me.
One of the biggest ironies of the nuclear arsenal is that I keep on hearing that it is protecting Pakistan from a US or Indian take over and yet the actual evidence suggests that we are protecting the arsenal. The fact that we have ended up protecting a device which was supposed to protect us is such an irony and yet completely incomprehensible to many Pakistanis who continue to gloat over it.
In fact more than anything, the nuclear status of Pakistan is constantly being discussed and drummed up in the national media. A state which by all accounts has failed to deliver even the basic necessities is being widely projected as one of the most important states by the rightwing intelligentsia. However it goes beyond this. The nuclear arsenal has become our sole “credible” claim to glory and consequently the justification for all the conspiracy theories according to which the entire world is wary of the “mighty” Pakistan. This conspiracy theory culture which is outwardly looking shifts the blame to foreign powers, jealous of Pakistan’s nuclear might, and aiming to purge the country of its “crowning” jewel. Right wingers like Ahmed Qureshi and Dr. Shireen Mazari have constructed entire careers on perpetuating this culture of suspicion which is fueled by mythology built around glorification of Islamic fortress, Pakistan.
But why have we come to this stage? Why are we seeking a strange delusional solace in a device which is supposed to kill millions? Why our entire intellectual thrust is on perpetuating a strange culture of suspicion where every barbaric act, EVEN IF CONDUCTED AND FULLY CLAIMED, by our home grown Frankenstein monster, is construed to be planned by the foreign powers solely to take hold of nuclear arsenal.
The answer lies in the thoroughly bruised identity, particularly the way it has evolved after the debacle of East Pakistan. East Pakistan debacle among many other things shattered the myth of superiority of Pakistani army’s quality. Before 1971, even within army circles, a martial race myth had gradually been constructed. According to this myth a Muslim soldier is far superior in quality due to extraordinary valor originating out of faith. Besides faith, this myth was also fed by marshal race theory according to which areas belonging to Northern Pakistan were inhabited by a genetically marshal race which was superior in fighting quality. The proof cited was that the British largely recruited from this area. The glorification of army was not merely restricted to army as a fighting unit but stretched to include the state of Pakistan as Ayub era was a military rule. Military rule practically defined state. Ayub’s tenor was a far cry from the earlier “chaos” and it also saw active nation building done and supervised by the military. While in power and at the helm of the affairs, the army’s image also became the national image. Middleclass which is actually identity conscious started to perceive army as an integral part of Pakistan’s identity.
The debacle of East Pakistan shattered the army’s repute as an invincible fighting force and had lasting impact on the identity. West Pakistani populace, particularly the middle class felt humiliated and could not believe that their cherished army had been routed. It was a moment of national humiliation. Moreover since at that time no one came to “rescue” Pakistan, and India had actively collaborated with the Bengali nationalists, it gave rise to conspiracy mode of thinking. For majority of the middle class, it was not that East Pakistan has been given unfair treatment, but rather an Indian and global conspiracy to break up Pakistan. To this date, majority of Pakistanis see the problems of Pakistan particularly relating to security through this conspiracy paradigm.
Zulifiqar Ali Bhutto (ZAB) after taking power immediately started taking steps to curtail army’s political role. Among these steps was forcible removal of the existing army chief, promotion of apparently “weak’ officers like general Zia, creation of FSF etc.
However, the 1974 nuclear blast once again reopened the wounds of the 1971 humiliation and warranted some kind of response to settle ‘scores’ with India. It was under these circumstances that ZAB decided to embark upon the nuclear program. Being extremely intelligent ZAB understood that renewed threat from India would once again restore the army’s position and importance. Hence the best bet was to actually match India and become a nuclear power. In this way, the army in its conventional role would not be required to that extent and consequently in the long run its political power would diminish as well. THUS THE REASON FOR BECOMINGTHE NUCLEAR POWER WAS IN SOMEWAYS AN EXTENSION OF THE DESIRE TO CURTAIL ARMY’S POLITICAL AMBITIONS. Plus the nuclear arsenal would soothe the bruised identity.
However, the reality unfortunately has not conformed to the wishes of the initiator of the nuclear program. Although the nuclear arsenal has proven to be apparently successful in soothing the bruised identity of Pakistani middleclass, but the cost has been tremendous.
Nuclear program has successfully soothed the bruised identity as it has apparently “settled” scores with India and given some importance to Pakistan in the international arena which it desperately needed. With the passage of time, as the failed state label becomes more justified the nuclear arsenal keeps on getting elevated in terms of our “success”. UNFORTUNATELY THE MORE PAKISTAN LAGS BEHIND IN ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL INDICATORS, MORE OBSESSIVE WE BECOME ABOUT NUCLEAR ARSENAL AND TRY TO SEEK COMPENSATORY COMFORT IN IT.
Today whether we admit it or not, the fact is that Pakistan ranks low in important social indicators pertaining to transparency, literacy, economy and healthcare even when compared to developing economies of similar characteristics. According to Asian Development Bank, compared with Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka, Pakistan’s school enrolment is lower, adult illiteracy is higher, and infant and child mortality rates are higher. According to the Corruption Perceptions Index developed by Transparency International, Pakistan ranks 134th out of 180 countries, “beating” even African poor countries like Zambia, Ethiopia and Uganda.
Nuclear arsenal thus becomes the only citable achievement and therefore talked to death in our rightwing circles. At times it becomes actually embarrassing that we are not able to provide basic things like education and electricity and yet assume ourselves to be the centre of the world due to nuclear status. Even when given the chance to have more aid and reduction of foreign debt in exchange for not conducting the tests in 1997, we unanimously opted for going nuclear. The irony was that within one month’s time, we as a nation proved how hollow we were, when instead of showing mettle and inner strength to face sanctions, we were busy betting on the devaluation of rupee!!
In addition this “achievement” has made us deeply paranoid about the rest of the world and with terrifying consequences. As Pakistan falls deeply into insecurity and terrorism, instead of correctly identifying the causes, the nuclear obsession leads us to believe that everything is a grand conspiracy to take hold of the nuclear arsenal. Rather than hating the monsters like Taliban, we keep on coming with the similar conspiracy logics and in the process end up strengthening dark forces of extremism.
Moreover, the nuclear status has not provided protection to Pakistan and rather it has exposed it to needless international scrutiny. Pakistan’s security problems are no longer emanating from India but are rather homegrown and ironically are in some ways an outcome of the nuclear status itself. The nuclear status actually enabled the state to train Jihadi elements without fearing a full scale war.
In addition, contrary to ZAB’s original aim of weakening the army, the nuclear arsenal has actually strengthened it. Once army took over, the nuclear program actually became its shield to undertake covert activities in the neighboring countries. In fact, army and nuclear “image’ have intertwined and army has successfully positioned itself as the guardian of the nuclear program.
Right now the ultranationalist section of the population has to redirect its concerns and energies to real issues rather than on this nuclear paranoia. The government needs political support from its media and people to win a battle against extremists and instead of support we are under this illusion that some bad Taliban have been planted to give an excuse to the West to purge the nuclear arsenal. Frankly the nuclear arsenal has proven to be one of our greatest drawbacks. It has so far clearly been the wrong medicine for our thoroughly bruised identity. Even if it is purged, it may actually be a blessing in disguise.
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My friend,
You r just full of shit, and the worrying thing is that , you don’t know it. Leave alone 100s of comments you have made on this forum, just read this very last comment and you wud know what I mean. ” You muslims have this habit of wanting flattery”. I mean wat is that supposed to mean. Just like ” you think” that you genius have made an opinion of Islam by reading Pakistani newspapers. Similiarly I have made this impression of yours just by reading your various comments on this forum, that YOU ARE A HINDU EXTREMIST, AN STRICTLY ANTIISLAM, ANTIPAKISTAN PERSON, WITH VIOLENCE IN HIS MENTALITY. YOUR MINDSET IS NO DIFFERENT FROM AN AL-QAEDA TERRORIST.Is this clear enough. And this impression is only by reading your comments.
To ahem,
My friend,
You r just full of shit, and the worrying thing is that , you don’t know it. Leave alone 100s of comments you have made on this forum, just read this very last comment and you wud know what I mean. ” You muslims have this habit of wanting flattery”. I mean wat is that supposed to mean. Just like ” you think” that you genius have made an opinion of Islam by reading Pakistani newspapers. Similiarly I have made this impression of yours just by reading your various comments on this forum, that YOU ARE A HINDU EXTREMIST, AN STRICTLY ANTIISLAM, ANTIPAKISTAN PERSON, WITH VIOLENCE IN HIS MENTALITY. YOUR MINDSET IS NO DIFFERENT FROM AN AL-QAEDA TERRORIST.Is this clear enough. And this impression is only by reading your comments.
to MA
My comments are a rational analysis of what islam has brought forth and what many muslims have done since they have become zombies of islamic fascism, imperialism and arrogance. Since my comments expose this truth and you cannot refute or deny that hence you resort to abuse against my person.
I am not a hindu – so how can I be a hindu extremist? Pakistan has become a source of idiocy and danger to the world – I did not cause that to happen. Islam is leading mankind into the ditch of fascism and arab chauvinism – that is what muslims are striving to do because they are mental slaves of this ideology.
All your outbursts of anger and accusations are thus confirming the correctness of my analysis of islam. Your reaction is how mental slaves of a fascist ideology react.
I know you are not hindu. Because to be a hindu, or muslim or christian or jew, you have to be a human being first, which I don’t think you qualify for. A person who so frequently uses such filthy language for poor children of Pakistan ( just like Indian children), children who have seen poverty, hunger, miseries since their birth, and you use such filthy language expressing nothing but this burning hatred inside you. You don’t qualify as a human being.
Hey fellows,
What Ahem has been saying, in my opinion, is not intended to hurt your feelings or for disrespect of religion; he says things which makes him feel happy. Happiness makes him to overcome the rebukes he constantly receives from peers.
Rex Minor
PS
He feels happier when others feel hurt!
MA wrote:
“A person who so frequently uses such filthy language for poor children of Pakistan ( just like Indian children), children who have seen poverty, hunger, miseries since their birth, and you use such filthy language expressing nothing but this burning hatred inside you. You don’t qualify as a human being.”
1)
This is again a false accusation.
2)
I never use filthy langauge – that is not my habit. You use filthy language and then imagine that others do it.
3)
I have never criticized or hurt or insulted any children. I have only aimed at adults, esp. the ruling elite and quislings.
4)
Why don’t you ask why there are so many children suffering “poverty, hunger, miseries since their birth” in the islamic paradise of Pakistan? Aren’t the ruling elites (to whom you belong, in spite of all your denials, since you take over their anti-india, anti-hindu and anti-US propaganda so readily) of Pakistan responsible for that?
To AA ( Ahem animal),
“Pakistani rulers have been bootlicking muslim marauders, arabs, turks, USA and chinese since 60 to 30 years. Children in Pakistan are being made to do the same (and you may be a product thereof)”.
Refer to these comments of your’s somewhere above,and then u say u don’t use filthy language for children. And this is one of 100s u ahve used. You truly don’t qualify as a human being. And I agree you arenot hindu because ” A terrorist has no religion.”
Ok animal, sorry ahem, I was in a hurry earlier, cudn’t treat u deservingly like a pig
Your comment “Why don’t you ask why there are so many children suffering “poverty, hunger, miseries since their birth” in the islamic paradise of Pakistan? Aren’t the ruling elites (to whom you belong, in spite of all your denials, since you take over their anti-india, anti-hindu and anti-US propaganda so readily) of Pakistan responsible for that?”
This is exactly the response I wanted. I have changed it slightly for you:
I ask why there are so many children suffering “poverty, hunger, miseries since their birth” in India ? Aren’t the ruling elites (to whom you belong, in spite of all your denials, since you take over their anti-Pakistan, anti-Muslim and US and Israel propaganda so readily) of India responsible for that?”
Look it fits so well, and it is damn true. You know it, India knows it and the whole world does. Don’t forget the proportion of poverty, hunger, homelessness is much higher in India then Pakistan. But unlike you animal, I do feel for the poor children of India, I hope they have a better future.
Like some people above have said, that you say whatever makes u feel happy. And as I said earlier people who have known you before from PTH, just ignore u like a barking dog, but I won’t , I wud keep showing u the mirror. Go worry about ur god damn India.
People like you are not even any good for their own children, leave alone the children of India or Pakistan or world.
to MA
You are a very confused man – due to your islamic anger and irrationality. When I say pakistani children are being made into bootlickers of arabs in Pakistan by the rulers of Pakistan (to whom you certainly belong) then it is not the children whom I am criticizing or putting into any bad light or talking dirty about. It is the pakistani quisling rulers (to whom you belong) whom I am exposing. The children are innocent and are being molested due to islam.
Your remarks about India are correct. India’s rulers ARE to be held responsible for the sufferings of the children in India. Did I deny that anywhere? So what are you accusing me of?
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I am worried about India, and even more so about Pakistan, since Pakistan is sending terrorists and islamofascists out everywhere out of obedience to an arab god and his fascist religion made in the 7th century. Pakistan has been taken over by fascist sunni street-gangs. Even the “brave” pakistani army is scared of them. Pakistan is far more a cause for worry than India.
My anti-islam and anti-pakistan stance is a result of reading pakistani newspapers ONLY – and not due to any thing said by USA, Israel or India or their ruling elites. So here too your confusion due to your inability to read properly becomes obvious.
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Whether I am animal or human being cannot be decided by you. What is important are my arguments and whether they are correct or not. I don’t bother about whether you are animal or human being – all I recognize from your posts is that you are an islamically indoctrinated mental slave of islamic fascism and pakistan ideology and you still haven’t developed the ability to overcome that. You are still too immature, timid and backward. When you become more mature and courageous then you will begin to see the evilness in pakistan ideology and islam. I do not know how long that will take.
Ahem,
Even then u shudn’t bring young innocent children in ur filthy arguments and accusations. Ok even if you say children in Pakistan are “made” to do the same, you are wrong 100%.. Wat makes you think we do this to our children here. My friend that’s why I say again and again, your comments don’t even deserve an argument. Someboday above is so right to say that you say whatever makes u happy. Another of your comments from past “Pakistanis have this love for the arab boots to lick.”. What makes u think we do that either. Again, your comments don’t derserve arguments.
You wrote about, Pakistan has been taken over by sunni fascist street-gangs. Yes if u refer to terrorrism, we do appreciate this is a problem, but that doesn’t justify ur comment earlier of Pakistan being taken over. And that doesn’t mean you start labelling Pakistanis, all 200 million to be arab bootlickers. If you do then don’t complain about the way I speak to you.
In short , having said so many negative things about all 200 million Pakistanis, don’t try to potray urself as someone who worry about Pakistani children etcetcetc. You keep saying I am showing my arab fascism blahblahblha by the language I use, but u have no idea how u have exposed urself by the language u use.
to MA
Of course I have to diffrentiate between the pakistanis who bootlick arabs/turks and practise street gangsterism and islamic fascism and militarism – and those who don’t do all this. But the latter are either a vanishing minority (all over the world) or too scared to speak out or they merely serve to camouflage/hide the fascism that has taken over islam-based societies.
This observation applies to Pakistan very correctly.
So what efforts are you undertaking so that the second type of pakistanis can become the decisive majority?
The way you abuse me and throw false accusations at me implies that you are more interested in humiliating a critic (of islam and Pakistan) than in taking that as a motivation to strengthen those pakistanis who wish to defeat the islamofascists.
The critic is the genuine friend – not the flatterer who is actually the enemy. That is what I had said right in the beginning. Instead of thnking over this with a cool mind you let loose canons of abuse against me. That is typical of muslims – and your islamic upbringing made you do this ill-tempered act. It is not your fault but the fault of those who indoctrinated you into islamic arrogance, conceit and falsified, islam-glorifying, anti-hindu narratives of history.
I just read the novel “The wandering falcon” by Jamil Ahmad and saw the film “West is west” (about a pakistani-british boy visiting Pakistan with his conservative father). May be you can read/see and comment on that.
I also saw on youtube “Murder of history in Pakistan” (4 parts). What is your comment on that?
Ahem,
No, you don’t differentiate between anyone. an enemy like you is an enemy forever. 100s of comments where u have shown ur hindu extremism and antiPakistan/ antiMuslim mentality, and you cannot step back from it.
Well you poor state of mind is exposed by the fact that u r actually watching “movies” and giving their references as a basis for your antipakistanism.
The books which u have mentioned here do have some true content, but as I have said before go worry about ur India, where things are 10 times worse then this. I have never denied wrongs in Pakistan, but my problem is with you. A hindu extremist and Indian who is clearly clearly has such an antiPakistan stance, there is no way we shud listen anything from him. I don’t see any reason. And as I have said before you can watch programmes and read books like that for any country, including India. So worry about them.
My wudn’t I point my cannons towards you. You continue to say what makes u happy ( which is abusing Pakistan and Islam) and I continue to do what makes me happy ( abusing only an enemy like you).
to MA
You use a lot of doublespeak. You mean the opposite of what you write. You call me extremist in order to distract attention from the extremism and fascism in islam and in you.
So keep doing this trick (and self-deceit) and slide further down into fascism. You want it that way.
Islam is evil and dangerous, pakistan ideology is evil and dangerous and that is proved over many centuries and years.
That should be the end of our correspondence. Let us wait and see who has said the correct thing.
Once again you can say whatever makes u happy. What else can one expect from a hindu extremist. I am not quiet sure what u mean when u say ” I doublespeak”. The whole idea of wasting my time with u on this forum was just to prove one thing. A hindu extremist, an Indian with a brutal anti-pakistan mentality, just breaks into pakistani websites and expresses his extreme hatred/ Clearly expresses his animosity for “all” the muslims and “all” the Pakistanis, someone who takes pleasure in Pakistan being in trouble, young children suffering from violence and some many other problems of povert, disease, and then thinking that he has done some research and his opinions are based on that. Mate there is no reason we shud listen to his non-sense.
to MA
Your pakistani newspapers are telling us that evil things are happening in Pakistan like nowhere else. So why blame me – why don’t you demonstrate in front of those pakistani newspaper offices and blame them (but that will only make the situation worse)? Those who are not made crazy or zombies or self-deceiving with/by islam realize that it is islam that is causing many of these worst evils in Pakistan. Because islam is a totalitarian-fascist arab-imperialist ideology that wants muslims to remain as 7th century tribals and igno-ranties.
Blaming me for all this only shows that you are trying to fool yourself all over again. But as a muslim you have no other choice, you are not able to be honest.
India’s problems are many and indians are trying to solve them. But Pakistan is a problem for the whole world due to its violence, terror-export and lies. Muslims are a major reason for social problems all over the world now.
Why the discussion is so irrelevant to the topic?
To Ahem,
I have never denied problems in pakistan, but why wud I get into a discussion with an Indian extremist with nothing but hatred for Pakistan, which is reflected by his comments every single day, just see ur last comment ” Pakistan is a problem for whole world”. This is just another example my friend.
To Raza,
You r right the discussion may be irrelevant, but if you read this guy Ahme’s antiPakistan/ antiIslam comments everywhere on this website, I don’t think any Pakistani/Muslim will tolerate that.
The most important Nuclear Challenge for Pakistan is yet to come. This is the Challenge of Missile Shields, which India is on the verge of perfecting. Such shields for Delhi and Mumbai are already on the anvil.
The time is not too far when all Pakistan’s targets in India will be protected against missile strikes. That will be when a real arms-race will start. Is Pakistan ready for that?
to MA
I don’t have to be anti-islam or anti-Pakistan. It is you muslims and pakistanis who are doing it out of your own stupidities, that result from the fascism which your 7th century arab religion has inculcated in you. If muslims are destroying islam and Pakistan (and conversely islam is destroying muslim lives and Pakistan) then why do I have to bother? Why blame me? No matter what you muslims do – your islam (of whatever interpretation or school) will degenerate and drown you. I feel pity for the peope of Pakistan since they are misled and misused descendants of hindus.
To Ahem,
So you r back to carry on with ur filthy mentality. 7th century arab, turkish bootlicking ……… don’t u get sick of it urself to keep repeating these. I had heard a phrase once something like this ; ” Hindu banya, baghal mein churee, muun pay ram ram.” Meaning Hindu bunya hides a knife/dagger in his armpit while saying Ram Ram. This is exactly what u do time and again, and this is what u have done in ur comments above again.
I am not sure why the author has put up this hot potato topic for readers comments, but it certainy has put PTH on the CIA radar screen. The amusing part is that at Langley computer centre, the analysts must be totaly confused with Ahem comments as well as other responses and to decypher the language for their relation with the topic.
Rex Minor
Ahem is a troll and should be ignored..
Regards
Raza
Dear RHR, (Re: Ahem)
You are right, the options are to ignore him or to abuse him. I choose the latter option. It’s sort of a pastime for me. Between busy working schedule, I enjoy reading his hate preaching. he would someday get a stroke due to high blood pressure. he is a rocket. I just shove a lighter up his ass and ignite it, and he blows of light a rocket, resulting in 3000 words response. Just enjoy it.
To ahem,
Just repeating my response:
Although like yourself, I don’t tend to search for articles especially, but just by chance came across this, I thought you would be interested in this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/indias-blood-stained-democracy.html?_r=1&smid=fb-share
I already know that your response would be that Indians/Hindus do this because of 1200 years of muslim rule of Turkish bootlicking etcetcetc.
RHR has to call me a troll so as to make you believe that he too dislikes me. That is like pakistanis gathering in the streets and stamping and spitting on the US flag. Every pakistani wants to be seen doing it! That adrenaline surge of patriotism, islamism and machoism is crucial for survival in the islamic paradise of Pakistan.
Ahem says truth. Go to alisina.org to understand it better.
Muhammed and followers killed critics – even to this day – but Internet is a Allah sent opportunity to escape muhammed.
Muhammed was a false evil prophet. Muslims should start believing in one almighty Allah and stop believing in muhammed’s lies.
If you think about it – Allah is the first victim of muhammed.
Allah was a nice pagan moon god with his three daughters – serving the local Arabs for their spiritual needs. Muhammed killed his daughters and made a mess out of him.
Ahem mian,
You didn’t say anything regarding that link about Indian/Hindu fascism, Israeli/Jewish bootlicking, I had sent above. You just enjoy abusing Allah/ Muhammad/islam/Pakistan, and run away from debating such issues.
to MA
Fascism exists everywhere – even in India, hindu religions, Israel, judaism, USA, christianity etc.
But PTH is a pakistani website and hence we have predominantly to discuss islamic fascism.
Further more islamic fascism is presently the most aggressive, dangerous and arrogant all over the world. Even the christian fascists in USA are getting scared of it now.
I had already written that India’s democracy is bloodstained also largely due to islam and muslims and their 1200 years of lies and violence. That islamic history is the biggest factor in the bloodsheds in India.
To Ahem,
To your first comment “:Fascism exists everywhere – even in India, hindu religions, Israel, judaism, USA, christianity etc.But PTH is a pakistani website and hence we have predominantly to discuss islamic fascism.”
Can you please send me a link for any articles on an Indian website , on which you have made such inflammatory comments as you do on PTH .
Your 2nd comment : “Further more islamic fascism is presently the most aggressive, dangerous and arrogant all over the world. Even the christian fascists in USA are getting scared of it now.
I had already written that India’s democracy is bloodstained also largely due to islam and muslims and their 1200 years of lies and violence. That islamic history is the biggest factor in the bloodsheds in India.”
Now once again these comments just prompt me to abuse you,but for a change I will remain cool, BUT ask you to explain these comments, rather than just comments which satisfies you. Go for it then.
to MA
So you can decide to be cool. What an improvement – in spite of islamic indoctrination!
I do not write on any indian websites presently. The time with PTH and my work do not allow me any further time for that. There are many anti-hindu commentators on indian websites, so I don’t think I have to do that job. I have never advocated any hinduism.
As regards the second part: Bloodshed in India is a long story of thousands of years. I don’t belong to those deluded about non-violence (be it Jesus, Mohammad, Gandhi, Jinnah whoever…). In fact I have often written (also on PTH) that the creator-god (who is one god among many) himself is a sadist and cynic and he created mankind in order to satisfy his sadism and cynicism.
You have the habit of not reading what I actually wrote, but just make some wild accusations against me using filthy words.
The role which islam has played in increasing violence and craziness world-over (not just in India) needs to be documented. Some years ago a Frenchman wrote a book “the blackbook of communism” in which he docomented the crimes and violences perpetrated by communists. It is necessary to write a similar book about islam/muslims too. May be you can do it. It will open your eyes and wean you away from your islam-fascination. One thing is now certain: whoever says islam is a religion of peace or justice is a liar (deceiver) or a silly-naive guy (self-deceiver). Do your own research with an open mind.
To ahem,
I have been reading other articles on PTH and realized that you are the least respected person on this forum. Even your very own Indians and Hindus have been bashing your ass for the kind of filth you are. So I have decided to take a break. let other’s have the honors.
BTW just came across this comment written by someone for you. :
tajender says:
July 13, 2012 at 10:37 pm
ahem,
can u produce one paper or name of movement spearheaded by brhmns against muslim rulers.i will accept name of any underground.u cannot talk on behalf of indian because u are not hindu.u are brhmn and kept indian pauperized and illetrate for 2 thousands year.it was the effect of poisous cocktail of dharam shastra and arthshastra that ASHOK KILLED ENTIRE POPULATION OF KALINGA(ORRISSA)BEFORE CONVERTING TO BUDHHDISM
tajender and MA are “intellectual” twins.
MA is, as usual, fixated on excrement and urine and the language related to that.
Ahem’s posts do not make any sense even to himself. He is so zombified as a muslim and bootlicker of arabs.
If hindus criticize me then it is no reason to be ashamed of or be angry. That is normal. But MA’s filthy mind wants to give it a dirty spin. Typical muslim.
To Ahem,
And you are the ultimate authority to give verdicts about people. Look when it comes to showing you ur true face, you always tend to avoid debate, but diffuse the topic like this. haha. How much more humiliation will you suffer on this forum before you will get any wisdom, and decide to leave this place .
to MA
Humiliation is what muslims suffer because they have to deceive and self-deceive in order to glorify or defend islam. This is a self-inflicted humiliation.
What debate is possible with hard-core muslims? They have to lie in order to glorify Mohammad, Kuran and islam. Under such conditions debate or discussion become impossible. I do not avoid debate – but I have to be sure that the other party is capable of being honest.
To ahem,
Ah man same old rubbish. You r only good at writing insulting comments just to please urself, none else.
To MA
Where have I insulted anyone? You didn’t create islam. Why should you be insulted if islam is criticized and its fascism exposed? No one who is alive today is the creator of islam – why should anyone feel hurt if this islam is rejected? You muslims and pakistanis are enslaved mentally under islam (a 7th century arab imperialist ideology) and identify yourself with it like quislings and zombies. Why can’t you overcome that? Why blame me for your inabilities (caused by islamic indoctrination)?
You are not responsible for the lies that were fed to you but you will be responsible for feeding the same lies to your children.
To ahem,
Just read your last message, the one you have written and u wud know where u have insulted me. But what difference does it make to me if a pig insults me.
We muslims are mental slaves of Islam, have inabilities. Well sure u can say if that satisfies you. I mean it’s hilarious reading ur comments. That’s where the only option left is to treat you like a pig which u deserve.
to MA
Abdullah is a popular name in islam. Abdullah means slave of allah (a tyrannical tribal 7th century arabic god-concept).
So what is wrong if I call muslims as mental slaves?
What kind of a god is it who wants humans as his slaves?
Islam does not allow you to question the grand declarations of islam. It does not allow you to leave islam.
So is that not mental slavery?
Before you think it is an insult, find out whether it is true or not.
Instead of regarding it as insult and become emotional about it try to find out whether it really is correct or not and what makes me say that about muslims. That is how a calm-minded person reacts.
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You muslims are permanently in a state of whipped-up emotions about your so-called holy book, so-called prophet and finalist-fascist ideology.
Think and react with a calm mind. You did not create islam and hence no one is insulting you if islam is criticized. If you had been the creator of islam then you could haver taken offence at islam being called a fascist ideology. When I say muslims are mental slaves of islam then it does not insult muslims – it merely reveals the evilness of islam and how islam has misled and misused you.
Pity that I have to explain this simple thing to you.
To ahem,
your problem is that , you come up with extreme non-sense, but in ur mind find urself very logical. Just this example of Abdullah’s meaning. This is just complete bullshit for any sensible person, but you think u have put pieces together and come up with some solid points. I have no option to keep u at ur place. I don’t get emotional my friend, this is how one should talk to a person like you, even normally.
I can sense ur hatred for Islam must have some personal background, like some family members suffered at the hands of muslims. If this is the case, then I must say that after knowing you, it’s not that Muslim’s fault.
to MA
I analyse islam and don’t bother much about any particular muslim and his good or bad deeds.
For analytic reasons I was forced to conclude that islam is a totalitarian, fascist, arab-imperialist ideology.
Comments by muslims like tajender, MA, AKB, rex confirm this on the PTH.
Pakistan confirms this over its past 65 years.
Using the word “bullshit” very often does not refute my arguments or invalidate my analysis.
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Islam means submission under the 7th century mohammadan god-concept allah, that is mental slavery under this Mohammad. islam means book-centred and perosn-centred fascism. Islam does not mean independent thinking or research.
The name “abdullah” is just one illustration of this.
To Ahem,
Ah, this religious fanatic is so full of himself. Look at your comments. ” I was forced to conclude”, and ” Comments by muslims confirm this on PTH”. ” pakistan confirms this.”
mate come back to real life. Why wud anyone be bothered about your “conclusions” . We see you as nothing but a religiuos extremist in its ugliest form.
to MA
That a pakistani muslim calls someone else a religious fanatic – that is a poor joke. Religious fanaticism is what you muslims have in your brains and heart all the time and do all kinds of crimes and idiocies in the name of your arab god. And then you call others fanatics.
The results are seen in Pakistan and in other muslim lands.
Don’t bother about my conclusions and opinions. I am not forcing you to accept them. But the fascistic muslim streetgangs and muslim laders determine your life anyway. So I don’t expect you to be honest.
I am not advocating any religion, so how can you call me a religious fanatic? It is your own islamic stupidity and cowardice that you wish to hide by calling me names. That is the typical muslim way.
To Ahem,
And like always I say again, say whetever makes you happy. Don’t you feel ashamed at ur existence. How many people on the forum just humiliate you everyday, but u r so stubborn that u stay around, but I suppose that’s what u r used too. I actually feel bad for ur mother, who carried someone like you and then gave birth to someone like you, what a disgrace u r .