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Egypt on the brink
By Saad Hafiz:
By most accounts, the run-off elections in Egypt have resulted in a victory for the Islamist Mohamed Morsy over the military candidate Ahmed Shafik. The big question that has haunted Egypt since the advent of Arab Spring and the street battles that forced the overthrow of the twenty-nine year old Mubarak dictatorship is whether the all-powerful military establishment would allow a democratic transition to an elected civilian leadership which included the controversial Muslim Brotherhood.
To date, Egypt’s year-old transition from military to civilian rule has been anything but smooth. Popular protests, sectarian violence, and clashes between police and demonstrators have all at one time or another threatened to derail the process. Since Mubarak’ resignation last year, nearly 800 people have died as a result of constant political unrest. Many indicators suggest that Egypt is far worse off economically now than a year ago.
Egypt’s main backer, the United States has expressed concern that the Egyptian army was abusing hopes for democracy by ordering more military rule just as the Muslim Brotherhood was claiming victory in the country’s first free presidential election. The US spokesperson was probably referring to a decree issued by the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) that ensured that the new civilian president was shorn in advance of much of his power including control over the armed forces. This decree was issued just as polling stations closed and two days after the ruling by the Egyptian Supreme Court, stacked by Mubarak era judges dissolving a new, Islamist-led parliament. The apex court based its judgment on dissolving both houses of Parliament on evidence that there were ‘invalid’ seats in the house.
The court dissolved lower house of parliament known as the People’s Assembly had 498 elected seats with Islamists of varying sorts controlling nearly 70% of those seats, with the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP)-led Democratic Alliance controlling the most at 47%. The Islamist Alliance-list led by the Salafist Nour Party came second with 25%, followed by the Wafd at 8% and the liberal Egyptian bloc party list at 6.8%. Many experts expect the FJP to differentiate itself from the Salafist opposition by being more pragmatic, especially when it comes to the economy. The party may focus on promoting private investment, recovering lost revenue from land deals reached during the Mubarak era, creating jobs, boosting the agricultural sector, and reducing income inequality through redistributive tax policies. However, many Islamists from both the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafist Nour party share general goals of inserting certain Koranic prohibitions into civil law, such as bans on interest-based banking and consumption of alcohol. Though both sides may differ on the implementation, according to one expert, “no matter how generously one interprets the sharia, certain prohibitions are unavoidable — and the Brotherhood’s parliamentarians vow to push those prohibitions into law.”
The experience of the past year has left many Egyptians doubting that the military, and what they call the “deep state” stretching across big business, Mubarak-era judges, security officials and the army, will ever hand over control particularly to its old Islamist adversary. The army could well learn from Algeria’s botched experience of transferring power to the Algerian Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) who had handily won the first multi-party elections in that country in December 1991. That prompted the Algerian army to halt the electoral process in January of the following year and launch a crackdown. The FIS was disbanded, various Islamist groups emerged — Al Qaeda’s North African branch is the latest incarnation of one of them — and the ensuing civil war killed up to 200,000 people, bringing the country to its knees.
While the Egyptian military could well be playing games with the electorate to hang on to its unlimited power and influence, it is helped by the fact that many Egyptians particularly the Christian minority quite understandably do not want to see the despised Mubarak dictatorship replaced by a hard-line Islamic state ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Some also favour continued adherence to the 1979 Egypt-Israel peace treaty which has kept Egypt at peace for over thirty years, a position opposed by many Islamists. Many voters were dismayed by an unpalatable choice between Shafik, a man seen as an heir to Mubarak and Morsy, the nominee of a religious party committed to reversing liberal social traditions.
The battle lines are clearly being drawn with the liberal urban youth movements which were in the vanguard of protests against Mubarak about two years ago, as well as the Muslim Brotherhood and other supporters of the Mubarak uprising planning a major protest demonstration at Cairo’s historic Tahrir Square to force the military to honour the results of the run-off elections. The best that can be hoped for as the tensions run high is that the check-and balance act between the Islamists and the military does not change to revolution in the streets.
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Fingolfin,
You have again started talking about the religion of Islam which you have not got the slightest knowledge of and as a nonbeliever not meant to have any knowledge. I say nonbeliever to belittle anybody but to explain the reason why you are not meant to undestand Islam or the scriptures be it Quraan or a Bible. Try to read Latin or hieroglyphs and you are not likely to understand either. I understand both languages as well as the arabic, English and several others. Now I have got good news about your post; after reading first paragraphs I did not read further since your jibberish is not understandable, without any logical sequence of thoughts, reasoning or purpose. You are going to end up first like Ahem and then like MTG talking to yourself. I witnessed you chasing a women blogger out of PTH and since no Indian female participates in this blog shows the kind of respect you have your society has for your women. Have fun and enjoy your conversation with your fellow Indians since you guys worship or hate humans.
Rex Minor
O’h yes, Fingofiln, the wise man understands the western media how it functions? Then see the twilight of Merdoch Empire crumbling, and listen to the former Prime Minister Blair about the power of British Media and the American media, firmly in the hands of the Zionists. Newyork Times and washington Post, the reliable news papers for info on USA administration, since they pay cash to the corrupt administration officialsto obtain info., and the country of law cannot force them to disclose the source of info thereby protecting the criminals. And about Sharia, just ask Archbishop of Canterbury who has recommended the introduction of Sharia in the UK, raising a storm of protests from many, but not the judiciary. And do not tell me that the Indian democracy is in any way comparable to the western democracies. Democracy is also of the people and for the people, not only by th people. No European military force is used within the country to suppress its citizens. As I said earlier, the American and the canadian west is slowly being separated from the European west in a most natural manner, though the anglo saxons continue to show their love for their old colony of the yankee world. Germany is part of NATO and so is Turkey but was not involved in the war of invasion in Afghanistan; they were part of the ISAF and then got stuck with the black man who under the influence of neocon zionists clintonians ordered the surge and the flare up. They are now sitting still simply defending more or less hemselves. Stop making broad statements and try to learn to be selective and not become the mouthpiece of others whose purpose in the world is to put a spin and always think in terms of geo strategic.
Give morsi the chance to tell us what he means by sharia, the same as Turkish Islamist party means or that of the wahabists in arabia or those of Iranians and the Alaviten? We shall judge when we see; we are in the 21st century and not in the centuries of past. To hell with people who are dead and did or did not do their bit; or do you want to relive the period of Indira Gandhi or of the ancient vedics?
Rex Minor
Minor
this is the only go to line that you people can come up with is it not? that “oh because you are not a believer, you can never understand what Islam is saying” or “what the sharia is saying”.
exactly how pathetic are you? if something is translated from Arabic into any other language, that does not mean that it’s meaning changes. that is the whole point of translation. so even in Arabic, the part of the Koran that instructs Muslims to kill non-believers holds the same meaning. if you do not think so then clearly you are reading another fairy tale( i suggest the brothers Grimm. they are more interesting than the Koran).
that is to say that if i suddenly adopt Islam now, i will magically understand the book? and if not, then how does anyone understand the book because everyone or their families converted at some point or the other.
by saying that i will not understand the Koran because i am not a muslim is a clear indication that you have deserted logic. all other people of the world are asked to tolerate the wrong in Islam because they do not understand it?
do not give me that nonsense about latin and hieroglyphics. i can promise you that anything written in these languages if translated will be understood by anyone. and the case is the same with Arabic since Arabic is not a language that in essence functions differently( like chinese and even chinese if translated is perfectly understood by everyone).
why don’t you simply admit that the Koran, like every book, has it’s fair share of intelligence and it’s fair share of absolute codswallop instead of making pathetic statements like ” you are not a muslim so you cant understand the Koran”. you are a poor little puffed up popinjay who is trying in vain to defend the part of the Koran that is verbiage.
as far as the sharia and the archbishop of canterbury is concerned, READ WHAT HE SAID. he only said that our law already contains certain aspects of the sharia( not intentionally). he NEVER ADVOCATED THAT THE SHARIA SHOULD BECOME A PARALLEL SYSTEM OF JURISPRUDENCE! this is your problem. you do not possess the ability to glean from what you read. even in India you have a system wherein muslims are governed and allowed to follow their sharia because India is a secular country. that does not mean that the sharia is a good law code. it is pathetic and it will remain pathetic because it simply cannot see muslims and non-muslims as equals and more importantly cannot see a woman the equal of a man.
any law code based on these principles is bound to be bullshit sent from heaven. besides, the church in England is becoming increasingly redundant so what the Archbishop says really does not matter anyway. people of Britian do not care about religion.
Rupert Murdoch was destroyed not for reporting incorrect facts! they were charged for spying and hacking. do you even understand the basics of what you read?! oh and you are so eager to believe what Tony Blair has to say about the Western Media? why?! how do you know that he is not trying to create a propaganda and was not paid of by some extremist Islamist like you to say that? why are you so skeptical in believing what the Western Media says about Muslim countries and yet so eager to believe Tony Blair?
anyway, whether the media is in the hands of zionists or not does not matter. my logic of how the truth will out still holds no matter who owns the media companies. if so many stake holders are involved in presenting the news the news cannot be incorrect because a secret( which is the fabled lie that you keep talking about) cannot be kept by such a prodigiously large number of people. understood?
so your whole theory of incorrect news being presented because of zionism is also patent nonsense.
you believe Tony Blair only because that is what you want to hear. and anyway, i looked for where Blair had said that the Western Media is controlled by zionists. his critique of the media is a critique that is applicable to all media’s and not the Western media in particular. so either you are full of piss and wind or you will give me the link.
and sure democrac is for of and by the people. every state in India and every village in India elects its own leaders right down to the grass root level. if their is a problem with the leaders then the system of democracy cannot be blamed but the leaders themselves. also India is the most diverse country in the world and that adds certain different ramifications to viewing democracy. Europe is far more homogeneous. there is bound to be friction. besides, if you don;t think that India is a democracy then don’t. just don’t go about saying because you will come across as ignorant.Germany is part of the NATO and the ISAF and they are part of the war and are part of funding the war. how does it feel to know that the tax you pay to the German government is being used to kill muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq? you basically pay for their deaths and then you have the gall to talk about human rights in Kashmir? maybe your whole point of view as far as Pashtuns are concerned is your guilt talking. guilt for paying for their deaths. so if you do not attack your own citizens you are a democracy? as long as you do not attack your own citizens it is fine? that is double standards. every army has blood on its hands. that is is the purpose of an army. so by that logic no country can ever be called a democracy? people of Europe take part in protests against the government and people have died as a result of the police action, so by your logic they are not a democracy?! in Britain, people protested against Margaret Thatcher and died as a result. so they are not a democracy? Spain, Italy and Greece’s people are protesting now, people have died. so they are not a democracy. when Lincoln said that democracy is for of and by the people he was talking about what an ideal democracy is. but in this world nothing is ideal or perfect and so labels are attached based the way things mostly are not what they ideally should be. you really are full of piss and wind.
PS if you did not understand the logic of my previous post then it is because as i have already told you, your grip on logic is fairly nonexistent. nobody else in this forum will have a problem in understanding what i have said. i am confident of that.
PPS as far as the woman i chased away from here, you are going to have to give me her name and exactly what i said to her that urged her to flee.
so i am waiting.
It is the believers who cannot understand Islam!
There is zero scientific basis for Islam!
There is zero spirituality in Islam!
There is zero social good through Islam!
There is zero peace in and from Islam!
It is a religion for drones, zombies and automatons.
- Muhammad never produced any evidence that he met Jabriel or Allah.
- Muhammad was not a progeny of Ismail, as the father of Arabs is Qahtan and not Ishmael.
- Muhammad was not from the line of Isaac and Jacob and thus cannot be a Prophet, as prophets were promised by God to Abraham only in the line of Isaac.
- Muhammad invented the Qu’ran so that he could get more followers to loot caravans and to have more sex with any woman or child he wanted.
to raj
When muslim believers begin to understand islam (and its real intentions, methods, goals and promises) then they all end up becoming islamo-fascists or idiots.
So rex is wrong when he says non-believers cannot understand. Non-believers understand that when muslims understand islam then the muslims become fanatics, fascists, idiots, liars and bootlickers of arabs.
This is proved around us repeatedly and that will (may be) jolt rex out of his mental slavery under islam. Or is there no hope for him and in him? Is he destined to end at the altar of islamic idiocy and fanaticism and blindness?
To progress, we must all emancipate ourselves from some form of mental slavery. Mental emancipation is not specific to the historical and political situation of a particular people but applies to all people and races.
fingolfin,
Blair is known as the poodle of Bush, has lost his respect in the European world and when he is seen in England, people throw eggs at him. The statement he made about the UK media was to the judicial committee who were investigating the influence of Media on the Govt.
Let us agree to disagree and there is a great barrier of sea between our worlds. I have tried to come down to the level of those who have lived under occupation for centuries but it does not work.
Russia has just vetoed the anglo saxon resoultion on Syria and they are not going to fall again for the spin which was played on the UNO resolution on Libya with translations in different languges. You try and tell them that it is very simple to translate a text from one language to another enabling people speaking different languages to arrive at a unanimous meaning.
Rex Minor
Muhammad considered Himself a deity and wanted his followers to make sacrifices of women, which they were to kidnap! In fact he took the wife of his adopted son!
Leave alone translate, Arabic can not be learned in adulthood. It’s a special language – it can only be learned in the childhood. There haveBeen Islamic clinical studies around this. That is the reason non-Arabic Muslims have never understood Islam properly. Whereas Arabic muslims are progressing by leaps and bounds.
Arabic is the only language that is able to express thoughts accurately in minimum words possible. No other language can do that. Some words can not be translated like Allah and Muslim.
Without Arabic Pathans and punjabis will keep moving in circles.
Rexie is the only Muslim who is following sunnah. He is reinventing Quran with the help of German words that he has learned. That’s exactly what muhammed did. Although German is kuffar but it’s ok as long as you get more members to the gang. Muhammed will be proud.
Rexie is right when he says nonarabic Muslims need some time to understand Islam. May be in another few centuries nonarabic Muslims will learn Arabic and fully convert to Islam. Misguided ones like Osama and hafiz syed will be taken care of by kuffar.
Although Arabic used to be a zahilya language but muhammed purified and made it Islamic and halal.
Minor
as far as Blair is concerned, i agree with you. but you are the one who used him a source.
as far as the rest is concerned, lets agree to disagree. and you will continue youe support of any group claiming to work in the name of Islam no matter what else it does on the one hand and talk about the human rights violations in Kashmir on the other. fine.
but here is a little more on the brotherhood that i just found while reading. and this is for everyone.
“A number of political activists and opposition figures assaulted in Tahrir Square and in front of the State Council in Dokki this week accused Muslim Brotherhood members of the attacks.
MPs Abul Ezz al-Hariry, Hamdy al-Fakhrany and Atef Maghawry, lawyer Negad al-Boraie and Free Egyptians Party leader Yehia al-Ghazaly Harb say they were verbally and physically assaulted by young people they allege belong to the Brotherhood.
Some of the victims said the assaults constitute a return to the systematic violence used by the former regime on its opposition.
The Brotherhood and its political party have said they have nothing to do with the alleged violence. Ahmed Abu Baraka, the party’s legal advisor, told Al-Masry Al-Youm on Thursday that the group does not use violence and called on those who claim to have been attacked to take the issue to court.
Hariry claims the attack he faced in Tahrir is part of ongoing violence perpetrated by Islamist groups since the presidential elections put the Brotherhood’s Mohamed Morsy in power. In statements to Al-Masry Al-Youm Wednesday, Hariry alleged that Islamists pressured the government to announce Morsy the winner of the election, igniting a conflict between the Brotherhood and its opponents.
Hariry, a former presidential candidate who belongs to the Socialist Popular Alliance Party, said the violence was planned to intimidate opposition figures and was ignited by hostile statements from Brotherhood leaders.
Tagammu Party lawmaker Atef Maghawry told Al-Masry Al-Youm Wednesday that while he was walking on Mohamed Mahmoud Street, a group of Brotherhood members who were participating in a pro-Morsy protest attacked him and ripped his clothes in the presence of Freedom and Justice Party MP Azzab Mostafa. The attack Tuesday came after he criticised Morsy’s decision to reinstate the People’s Assembly at a conference at the Journalists Syndicate the same day.
Maghawry said he then filed a report with the police in which he accused Brotherhood Supreme Guide Mohamed Badie, Morsy and the head of the FJP of inciting violence and marginalizing opponents of Morsy’s decision.
Harb was also reportedly assaulted and insulted Tuesday while his party was protesting in front of the State Council on Tuesday to reject Morsy’s move.
Boraie, who earlier reported that supporters of the decision splashed water on his face and insulted him as he was leaving an administrative court, said he is astonished Brotherhood leaders have not apologized for the events.
Political science professor Iglal Rafaat claimed the Brotherhood is using the same methods of the dissolved National Democratic Party to deal with its opposition and called on the group to review its practices. Yasser al-Azabawy, a researcher at Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, also said these incidents raise concerns about how the Brotherhood will deal with opponents.
Edited translation from Al-Masry Al-Youm
so this is not from the “zionist Western media” but a translation from Egyptian, which apart from Minor here, i am sure you all will accept. the meaning stays the same guys, the meaning stays the same.
this is still about the brotherhood and the way they function. the translation suddenly does not make it Alice in Wonderland.
Egypt remains on brink and we are witnessing a revolution with possible loss of further lives and not watching a friendly football match between two arab teams.
Rex Minor
some halal music…may be its haram not sure…sounds like something Allah will play in heaven…
http://youtu.be/KxQDNvQi9Po
Egypt is on the brink because of the Brotherhood. if democracy means for and of the people, beating up the opposition because they challenge what you stand for is certainly an excellent precedent of democracy that the Arab springs have spawned.
if this is the precedent that the brotherhood has set, Egypt will be better of without democracy.
Egypt is a non-arab land that was invaded by arabs and islamised and arabised. Until egyptians realize that they will sink further into lies and violence – be it from military or mafiosi muslim “brothers”.
Jesus lived in Egypt – Mohamad never did. So Christianity and not islam is the indigenous religion of the Egyptians. But egyptians have been dumbed up by islamic-arabic ethnofascist propaganda.
Has the Indus civilisation of Mohanedaro and Gandhara as discovered in todays Pakistan had any link with Egypt? This is the current interest of the German and Italian archaelogists and I found them interesting to see the documantries on the German TV. Interesting since the Gandhara closters indicate Buddhism pure with the discovery of numerous statues(which the japanese claim now to be their nacestors) and Mohangedaro with no evidence of temples or statues of any sort. Who were these of the elite society with lavish style of life but did not having any responsibility to pagan Gods? I surely would like to visit these sights as soon as the yanks pull out and the level of violence subsides.
Rex Minor
Muslim Brotherhood is considering to rename their political establishment to calling it perhaps to Muslim Brothers and Sisters party since fifty percent of its members are today women! Mr Morsi incidently is no longer the member of the party probably to save the membership fee and to become a genuine leader of the whole Egypt.
Rex Minor
Rex Minor,
Mohanjo-Daro is in Sindh, Pakistan. Not in Afghanistan.
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BTW, the temple culture in the Indian Subcontinent started a bit later. But the tradition of making fire altars for the yajnas is still an old tradition and evidence of that have been found in many parts of the Saraswati-Sindhu Civilization (Indus Valley Civilization). The Civilization is however not just around the Indus. It covered a huge area.
Muslims have finally understood the Arabic message of Allah – they will now quickly create a Muslim world better than kuffar – just wait another 20 years or so…
Raj,
I have not claimed that Mohengodaro is in Afghanistan? Indus civilisation with no temples and worship places, the absence of Buddhist and so called Hindu Gods in the Indus valley. The town of a larger size capable of accomodating upto 35000 citizens from the elite society and of a very high culture with a very high style of living even from toays European standard. Then disappearing in the thin air and then there is nothing of this left in todays Pakistan nor in India. What happened to this real civilisation?
Poor Sindh mohanas as they are called trying to shoot down beautiful birds with the help of tying a living bird on the rifle which spits out death every time a wild bird comes in sight of the Sindhi. This is the rest of culture left from the civilisation and can now be easily seen in the character of Mr Zardari.
And please do not address me any more about your ancient civilisations which has made India so poor to the level of torturing its own citizens for one or other reason after it obtained freedom from occupation. Have the people of the subcontinent no more hope but to disaapear once again in the clouds and dust of the weapons for ever. Is this what awatars or the Indian Gods have forecasted?
you guys talk about civilisations as the Amricans talk about their civil war? I have not seen or read anything civil about the war which the yankees fought against the southerners.
Rex Minor
Indus valley civilization is kuffar.
to rex
After yanks pull out there will be more violence among muslims. See Irak.
Ahem,
You now know that you have been all along supporting the pack of wolves in your midst, who usualy turn on the weaker one in the pack when the going is tough and not enough blood is to go around. Poor Ahem. Islam is not your enemy but your own folks are when you demonstrate weakness. You have just been fighting shadows in the presence of the sun which you kept on ignoring.
Rex Minor
PS you are right, there will be more violence to settle the scores, but this is how Pashtun Afghans have been living for centuries.
Allah made them violent – for a reason.
Rex,
“PS you are right, there will be more violence to settle the scores, but this is how Pashtun Afghans have been living for centuries…..”
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It is interesting that while most other civilizations take pride in the creativity and the achievements of their forefathers all that the Taliban apologists can brag about is the death and destruction they have and will yet wreak on their hapless victims. There once lived a people in the present day Afghanistan who composed works of philosophic literature and astonishing sculpture. Now the single noteworthy feat of architecture is the destruction of Bamyan Buddhas. What a thing to brag about!!
Unfortunately that is not all. The Taliban and their forerunners destroyed everything that they could not understand; and they understood very little.
No wonder they have raised sadism and wanton killings to an art form.
Read on….
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“The Afghan rule in Kashmir which continued for 67 years was probably the worst ever seen by the inhabitants of the valley. While inviting the Afghans to take over the administration of the valley, the Kashmiris had mistaken them for a branch of the civilised and humane Mughal emperors of India. They had hoped that after the break-up of the Central Mughal Power, Ahmad Shah Abdali and his successors would give them a stable administration. They could never imagine that all the beauty and nobility for which Kashmir and its people were known throughout the world would be ruthlessly wiped off under their rule. A Kashmiri poet has lamented this as: I enquired of the gardener the cause of the destruction of the garden. Drawing a deep sigh he replied, “It is the Afghans who did it”! Kashmiris got a rude shock when they witnessed the first acts of barbarity at the hands of their new masters. Abdullah Khan Ishk Aqasi let loose a reign of terror as soon as he entered the valley. His soldiers who were accustomed to looting and murdering the subjected people, amassed riches by the foulest means possible. The exactions of the Afghan rulers make people shudder even now! There are many stories about Afghan rule still popular among the people of the valley. It is said that a delegation of Kashmiris went to Kabul to request the King for a merciful governor. He asked them to choose any of his wazirs sitting in his court. They pointed towards an elderly pious man with white flowing beard and a tasbeeh in hand. The King readily agreed and sent Kakkar Khan with them. They brought him in a procession to Kashmir. As they reached Baramulla a funeral was passing by. The governor asked them to stop. Kashmiris were happy thinking the pious man is going to offer fateh to the departed soul. On the contrary he asked them to open the coffin and bit the ear of the deceased and shouted, “Tell the dead in the next world that Kakkar Khan has arrived in Kashmir….”
(from Kashmir First; an article written by a Kashmiri, Mohammad Ashraaf)
to rex
I don’t regard hindus who don’t agree with me as a pack of wolves. What a perverse filthy mentality islam has sowed in you. And you wish to judge hindus on that basis.
In today’s India the worst slander is let loose against brahmins (tajender exemplifies that) by muslims, communists, dravidian racists, christians, non-brahmin hindus etc. I, as a person born in a brahmin family, don’t regard that as an insult or injury or threat at all. But a perverse muslim-mentality man like you wants to teach me to call them a pack of wolves. No way.
No wonder islam is going down and downwards into fascism. The mentality of muslims is filthy, as illustrated by you, tajender and AKB etc.
Casual Observer,
Why you are telling us the history to justify India current torture of todays kashmiris? I am not sympathiser of violence by any one, but always analyse the reasons to visualise a solution. If you have a solution then spit it out. We are all ears for solutions for peace in all parts of the world. There was no such civilisation that you imagine in any part of he world, per say. Today’s European civilisation is taking the lead and is having hiccups because of the colonialists and the yankee imperialist who are hell bent with support from the non believers around the world, with the exception of China, who sees glory in the past decadent of the societies. Do not tell me that the worship of statues and the sacrifice of humans mosly women was a civilisation?
Rex Minor
Worship of Kabba alone can be called civilization…
rest all is Jahiliya…
Ahem,
Do not take it personaly, but neither you nor most of your fellow partners have impressed me with their rhetoric. You are certainly not a a suitable one for the Indian diplomatic corps but the rest of mob can at least play the role of victems better than you can.
Just to update your knowledge of Islam History! The Christian church organised several crusades against Islam and lost free access to Bethlehem and the Jews who opposed Islam have only a wall left for worship in Jerusalem. I shall tell you next time(if you are polite) about the secret of the stregnth of Islam!
Rex Minor
Rationality is spreading in Pakistan..
http://tribune.com.pk/story/408702/the-taliban-apologists-amongst-us/
Allah will be finally rescued from Muhammed’s dirty mind…