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Egypt on the brink
By Saad Hafiz:
By most accounts, the run-off elections in Egypt have resulted in a victory for the Islamist Mohamed Morsy over the military candidate Ahmed Shafik. The big question that has haunted Egypt since the advent of Arab Spring and the street battles that forced the overthrow of the twenty-nine year old Mubarak dictatorship is whether the all-powerful military establishment would allow a democratic transition to an elected civilian leadership which included the controversial Muslim Brotherhood.
To date, Egypt’s year-old transition from military to civilian rule has been anything but smooth. Popular protests, sectarian violence, and clashes between police and demonstrators have all at one time or another threatened to derail the process. Since Mubarak’ resignation last year, nearly 800 people have died as a result of constant political unrest. Many indicators suggest that Egypt is far worse off economically now than a year ago.
Egypt’s main backer, the United States has expressed concern that the Egyptian army was abusing hopes for democracy by ordering more military rule just as the Muslim Brotherhood was claiming victory in the country’s first free presidential election. The US spokesperson was probably referring to a decree issued by the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) that ensured that the new civilian president was shorn in advance of much of his power including control over the armed forces. This decree was issued just as polling stations closed and two days after the ruling by the Egyptian Supreme Court, stacked by Mubarak era judges dissolving a new, Islamist-led parliament. The apex court based its judgment on dissolving both houses of Parliament on evidence that there were ‘invalid’ seats in the house.
The court dissolved lower house of parliament known as the People’s Assembly had 498 elected seats with Islamists of varying sorts controlling nearly 70% of those seats, with the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP)-led Democratic Alliance controlling the most at 47%. The Islamist Alliance-list led by the Salafist Nour Party came second with 25%, followed by the Wafd at 8% and the liberal Egyptian bloc party list at 6.8%. Many experts expect the FJP to differentiate itself from the Salafist opposition by being more pragmatic, especially when it comes to the economy. The party may focus on promoting private investment, recovering lost revenue from land deals reached during the Mubarak era, creating jobs, boosting the agricultural sector, and reducing income inequality through redistributive tax policies. However, many Islamists from both the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafist Nour party share general goals of inserting certain Koranic prohibitions into civil law, such as bans on interest-based banking and consumption of alcohol. Though both sides may differ on the implementation, according to one expert, “no matter how generously one interprets the sharia, certain prohibitions are unavoidable — and the Brotherhood’s parliamentarians vow to push those prohibitions into law.”
The experience of the past year has left many Egyptians doubting that the military, and what they call the “deep state” stretching across big business, Mubarak-era judges, security officials and the army, will ever hand over control particularly to its old Islamist adversary. The army could well learn from Algeria’s botched experience of transferring power to the Algerian Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) who had handily won the first multi-party elections in that country in December 1991. That prompted the Algerian army to halt the electoral process in January of the following year and launch a crackdown. The FIS was disbanded, various Islamist groups emerged — Al Qaeda’s North African branch is the latest incarnation of one of them — and the ensuing civil war killed up to 200,000 people, bringing the country to its knees.
While the Egyptian military could well be playing games with the electorate to hang on to its unlimited power and influence, it is helped by the fact that many Egyptians particularly the Christian minority quite understandably do not want to see the despised Mubarak dictatorship replaced by a hard-line Islamic state ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Some also favour continued adherence to the 1979 Egypt-Israel peace treaty which has kept Egypt at peace for over thirty years, a position opposed by many Islamists. Many voters were dismayed by an unpalatable choice between Shafik, a man seen as an heir to Mubarak and Morsy, the nominee of a religious party committed to reversing liberal social traditions.
The battle lines are clearly being drawn with the liberal urban youth movements which were in the vanguard of protests against Mubarak about two years ago, as well as the Muslim Brotherhood and other supporters of the Mubarak uprising planning a major protest demonstration at Cairo’s historic Tahrir Square to force the military to honour the results of the run-off elections. The best that can be hoped for as the tensions run high is that the check-and balance act between the Islamists and the military does not change to revolution in the streets.
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ahem,
there is nothing wrong in criticism of any scriptures. That is not the issue. The question is whether that criticism is justified, or it is just some reaction by Hindu haters in the garb of Hindus.
there is nothing wrong in criticism of any scriptures. That is not the issue. The question is whether that criticism is justified, or it is just some reaction by Hindu haters in the garb of Hindus
rajtoo,
like zoinists u people in india are gang of murders homosexuals wife swappers,infant burners,scamoperators,hawala dealers,money swindlers,bomb planters,hate preachers and liars.hinduism in practice is worst type of apartheism.20crores in india dont know when they eat next,40 crores eat once in two days.while our economy isreaching 5 trillion.even after leaving india u people continue to suck the blood of indians.
there are no Aryan Hindus and Non-Aryan Hindus
bullshit and wrong.white is onlt divine.
Pakistani are original Hindus.
The word Hindu refers to people living around sindhu river or Indus river.
Later on it got extended to all the people east of Indus – as far as Indonesia…
There is no concept of religion in Indic languages.
tajender,
IEDology of Pakistan is well-known!
cool down!
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You know your lies don’t have legs. How far will they take you?
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BTW, Hindus hardly divorce! Actually Muslims are the wife swappers! Do you know that the divorce rate in Saudi Arabia is 62%. Once divorced the ‘wife’ just goes to the next man, again calling it ‘nikah’! That is the kind of randibaaji that one sees so often in Muslim countries.
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Homosexuals: Well we all know how much homosexuality there is in Muslim countries. In Afghanistan it is quite common. In Lahore, grown men with children, they prostitute in the night!
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Bomb planters: You’re joking right!
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Anyway, tajender,
you’re a deranged man! Low on facts, high on bullshitting!
tajender wrote:
Yeah, I guess that is why we Hindus love Krishna – The Black God!?
tajender knows about 50 words and phrases of abuse. He wants to use them to describe the hindus, brahmins, jews, zionists, aryans, whites. He also knows about 100 words and phrases of glorification. And these he uses to describe muslims, dalits, their leaders, mughals, islamofascists, Aurangzebs, bin Ladens, Indus valley civilization (IVC) people, dravidians, cow-eaters, alcohol drinkers, drug users.
That completes his vocabulary, his world-view, his intelligence and upbringing, his knowledge, his fixations and all his possible/potential human “qualities”.
He exemplifies what pure islamic indoctrination and “enlightenment” lead to. I hope all muslims take the cue and feel ashamed when they justify or glorify or practise islam.
Yeah, I guess that is why we Hindus love Krishna – The Black God!?
rajtoo krishna is not god of brhmns.he is god of indians.through this scripture ur gurus fool the nidians.especially ladies of banias.they rob them and fuck them.destroy their family life.cia supported iskon is working very suuccesfully in india.
Bomb planters: You’re joking right! IEDology of Pakistan is well-known
in india around 30 bombplanters are caught.all of them are brhmns.u must have heard about col purohit.in pakistn american jews are doing these nefarious acts.muslim do suicide bombing.
BTW, Hindus hardly divorce! Actually Muslims are the wife swappers! Do you know that the divorce rate in Saudi Arabia is 62%
iwrote wrd wife swappers.not divorce.in elite society of hindus,wife swapping is quite common like among zoinists.
divorce is good it is better to divorce than pass unhealthy married life.26000 women is murdered in and around delhi yearly because of various reasons.there is no women tamilnadu who has not killed atleast 2 of his daughters.
Pakistani are original Hindus
milestone,
hindus are like vintage cars.very soon u will be found in zoos only.
Tajender,
I just want to say that I have appreciated your input as well as your opinions on many issues. I do not need to know the source of your info, what I make out of it is my judgement. And please do not address me a Mister, just cal me Rex! Again, thanks a lot.
Returning to the article, the excellent write and the name given by the author, Egypt on the brink, I am afraid it is going to remain on the brink in 2012. The so called Field Marshal need to decide to retire in peace or go the Mubarak way. Morsi is a bloody Engineer and not a softy softy weakling, and is backed up by the most organised political party in Egypt.
Rex Minor
Morsi is a bloody Engineer and not a softy softy weakling, and is backed up by the most organised political party in Egypt
gaza was vacated to encage palestanians.let us hope for best.
Its never ending –
‘Pak Taliban trained me, my hitlist included Indian ambassador’
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/pak-taliban-trained-me-my-hitlist-included-indian-ambassador-241424?pfrom=home-topstories
If only these jihadi kids had gone to Saudi Arabis to learn Arabic, instead of going to Pakistan.
It does make sense now. There is never any Saudi arrested involved in terrorism. I guess because they can read and understand Quran in Arabic.
Thats probably the reason only Arabic speaking muslims are progressing and getting all the fruits of Quran. REst are just second grade jihadis.
Punjabi is a hindu kuffar language that is keeping the Pakistanis in dark. Ban Punjabi with immediate effect.
Tagender,
Your reading is correct. Gaza was vacated because it was too hot for the occupiers to stay and with the premise that Mubarak shall act to guard them. I have waited for a decade to what is now brewing in the arabian land. It is the power of youth under twenty who want no less than freedom, dignity, justice and equal opportunities for all. No force can now stand against them. Those who are politicaly organised can lead them to achieve their goal or stay aside to avoid being blown away.
Rex Minor
Here is a telling incident. AI plane from UAE going to India makes an emergency landing in Pakistan at Nawabshah. The plane sat on the runway for 11 hours waiting for repair crew from India. The pilot did not let the passengers to disembark all this time even when Pakistan offered them all the facilities. Those who have taken long flights know how debilitating it is to sit in those small seats hour after hour. I get leg cramps when taking those long flights. How does the Indian consumer take this unless they are coming out of labor camps of middle east.
Where did the AI pilot got his training in paranoia? He is a potential candidate for next Prime Minister of India.
ParvezM,
What an unusual and a pathetic story of human cargo? And these bloody Arabs exploitation of Indian labour force? The Egyptian revolution must eventualy come to the Arabian Peninsula.
Rex Minor
to parvez
With hindu women being abducted and forced to marry muslim men and convert to islam “voluntarily” the indian pilot thought it was better to keep everyone in the aircraft.
Hindu population in Pakistan has fallen from 25% to less than 2%. Muslim population in India has gone up from 6.5% to 17%. With that muslim demographic aggression going on against hindus….
Actually islam was created in Makkah and hence in the Sindhu river basin it is an alien imperialist ideology and has no right to determine anything. Isn’t it perverse that hindus have to seek permission from the quislings of an arab imperialist ideology to land at some airport in the Sindhu river basin?
A muslim can never be an anti-imperialist, because islam itself is an imperialist-totalitarian ideology. A muslim who claims to fight imperialism is merely trying to replace a non-arabic imperialism through a far-worse and far-more-fascistic-and-backward arab imperialism.
@ahem
If you like some history,here it is:
It was ancient Persians who knew the river Indus an Sind and gave the name to people living beyond Indus valley as Hindus. There is no evidence that Indus valley was populated by Hindus. The is evidence for Ghandhara people who were not Hindus. Tell the history of Brahman and their history. Indus valley people have never accepted Brahmans as masters and will not do so in future no matter what you say.
Parvez,
“The is evidence for Ghandhara people who were not Hindus. Tell the history of Brahman and their history. Indus valley people have never accepted Brahmans as masters and will not do so in future no matter what you say….”
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In an effort to put some distance between themselves and their Hindu past, it is understandable that some people would insist on creating a non-Hindu history for Afghanistan but the facts are otherwise; and clearly documented, among others by Al Beruni and other scholars who came to India in Mahmud’s wake. Even before the Hindu Shahis, there were several documented Hindu dynasties ruling Afghanistan that pre-dated Buddha. Hindu statues, such as Ganesh have been unearthed in Afghanistan. Neither was the society as bigotted as people think, in the medieval times. Hindu and Muslim mercenaries often fought in opposing armies. Tilak was one such mercenary, who though a Hindu, was a general under Sultan Mahmud.
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Secondly, contrary to popular belief in your part of the world, very few Brahimins were rulers. Most were other castes. Some historian claim the celebrated Mauryas were Sudras or another low caste (I admit the fact is contested).
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Finally, I have no intention of intruding upon the mudfight between you and ahem; just wanted to set the record straight.
You gentlemen please continue….
With hindu women being abducted and forced to marry muslim men and convert to islam “voluntarily” the indian pilot thought it was better to keep everyone in the aircraft
it is pure bullshit and usual rss propaganda.they are killing 26000 women every year in and around delhi.go to SAMMA TV 19TH JULY tinight with jasmin.truth will come out.
for u people hate is duty and lie is ur staple food.nobody on this earth can force girl to marry and stay without her wishees.this is ur usual lie.
Even before the Hindu Shahis, there were several documented Hindu dynasties ruling Afghanistan that pre-dated Buddha. Hindu statues, such as Ganesh have been
afghanistan was never ruled by hindus.hindus under leadership of aadi(a dwar from kerala)shankaracharya killed budhhdist and destroyed/occupied their places of worship.
Mythbuster has not put the records straight! Your statement stnds firm on its feet and can not be challenged by Al Baruni. The history of Afghanistan according to the research of study of modern scholars, from 1st century B.C. to 5th century A.D. during a span of 600 years, the area of Pashtuns/Afghanistan witnessed three immigrations from central Asia of such gigantic magnitude ….those of the sakas, kushans,Huns and Gujars ….that everything was swept before them, overwhelmed by them and submerged in them.
Gandhara civilisation from 1st century B.C. to 5th century(at peak) was under the rule of Buddhists Kushan kings. The excavtions in the North west region of Pakistan has uncovered several closters with numberless Buddhists statues, some amazingly beautiful samples clad in a dress resembling to the dress worn by the Roman senators in their times and are worn by the Pashtuns on the street today, in Kabul, Qandhar or Peshawar. Indications from the countries with a Buddhist majority are also that they regard Gandhara people being their ancestors; they include notably Thailand, Nepal and Japan. This is just the background and I am sure you are aware of this piece.
Sorry to have interrupted in your educative discussion with Ahem.
Rex Minor
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Sorry the post is addressed to ParvezM.
ParvezM,
It is also worth reading the explanation provided for the name HinduKush mountains. I was not aware until this day that there was a regular slave trade of hindu slaves being taken by force from India to central Asia?
Rex Minor
@ Rex Thanks.
This is such a ludicrous argument made here at PTH in successive waves. The Sindhu river basin, which is not Afghanistan, has seen numerous Hindu Kings. The times it has been an integral part of larger north-Indian empires can be seen here (http(colon)(doubleslash)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_Empire), here (http(colon)(doubleslash)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire), and here (http(colon)(doubleslash)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_Empire).
), long before the Kabul Shahis actually ruled! Al Beruni came to Gandhara in the 11-th century AD, merely about 900-1000 years ago, and his account is swept by migrations that took place at least 600 years before him? ( 
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About Gandhara and Kabul, the Kabul Shahis (first Buddhist then Hindu Kings) ruled Gandhara from the 3-rd century AD to the 9-th century AD, after the Kushana Empire. There was no question of Kabul’s Hindu heritage being swept by anyone migrating between the 1-st century and the 5-th century AD (
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It is true that much of the Sindhu river basin was Buddhist by the time of the Muslim invasions but so was north India. Indeed the Buddhist influence of non-violence was perhaps one of the reasons why these latter invasions were successful while the earlier invaders such as the white Huns were repulsed from the mainland many a time earlier.
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It’s painful to see some Pakistanis contorting themselves in all directions just to deny their pre-islamic pan-Indian history. The fact is that they were Hindus when the rest of north India was Hindu, they were Buddhist when the rest of India was also Buddhist. Buddhism, with its holiest site in modern Indian state of Bihar, is not that different anyway, it derives from the Shramana school (Buddhist, Jains, and numerous other Shramanas) of Indian tradition and the Buddha himself was a north Indian (border of Nepal and Bihar) Kshatriya Prince of the Shakya Dynasty.
Those who bask in glee for the alleged “slave trade” to Central Asia should realize that it doesn’t speak so highly of Islam. To gauge the brutality of the invasions one can look at the letter written by Muhammad bin Qasem’s superior, the Governor of Damascus, to the young bin Quasem, “The great God says in the Koran [47.4]: “0 True believers, when you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads.” The above command of the Great God is a great command and must be respected and followed.” (Original letter of Hajjaj, Governor of Damascus, Trifkovic, Serge).
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In his book “Sindhi Culture”, U. T. Thakkur writes,
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“When Muhammad Kasim invaded Sind in 711 AD, Buddhism had no resistance to offer to their fire and steel. The rosary could not be a match for the sword and the terms Love and Peace had no meaning to them. They carried fire and sword wherever they went and obliterated all that came their way. Muhammad triumphantly marched into the country, conquering Debal, Sehwan, Nerun, Brahmanadabad, Alor and Multan one after the other in quick succession, and in less than a year and a half, the far-flung Hindu kingdom was crushed, the great civilization fell back and Sind entered the darkest period of its history. There was a fearful outbreak of religious bigotry in several places and temples were wantonly desecrated. At Debal, the Nairun and Aror temples were demolished and converted into mosques.[Resistors] were put to death and women made captives. The Jizya was exacted with special care.[Hindus] were required to feed Muslim travelers for three days and three nights.”
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The settled and refined Buddhist settlements of course had no resistance to offer in the face of such barbarity egged on in the name of Quran.
the advent of the Brotherhood started by that freak show Qutub, is the worst thing that could happen to Egypt and her people.
now, with the Brotherhood in power, there is now a call for the destruction of Egypt’s pyramids which are a wonder of the world. fascist Islam is now crawling upon Egypt like an ugly hydra with people also calling for a resumption of slave trade.
the same voice is also asking for the banishment of all the Shia’s and Bahai’s from Egypt.
unless the brotherhood is not dealt with, Egypt could suffer the worst problems that a political ideology based on a blind religious mindset will unleash.
this depicts the inherent problem with a religion that is blind and discourages independent critical thinking.
a call to destroy the pyramids, which are a part of the narrative of world history, is a manifestation of what religion or any ideology that is totalitarian in nature can do.
the manner with which extremist Islam is being practiced only underlines why believing in a system or code without the burden of proof makes us instruments of insanity and barbarity and so it is with Islam practiced the way it is by the brotherhood.
anything practiced unquestioned is dangerous for not just the practitioners but everyone around them.
the day the pyramids, like the Buddha’s of Bamiyan, like the Nalanda University, like the library of ALexandria are destroyed, victim to a blind belief in Islam, will be one of the worst in annals of world history.
Muslim Brotherhood has survived the colonialists onslaught as well as of the Egyptian military from Nasser to Mubarak. In the name of God and the teachings of the Quraan they have worked at the community levels with their social and charity programs throught this period.
Humans and not buildings and world wonders take precedence for a believer. Those who are skeptical and squawk out of fear of Islam revival should take note of the human toll at the hands of the Imperialists colonialists and their allies, instead of contemplating unnecessary fears of a democracy. Democracy under the Islamic party in Turkey has brought more economic gains and freedom with dignity for its citizens than ever before enjoyed under the previuos military Govts. Morsi is going to succeed in removing the old military and judicial guards from power and I am sure that he is going to bring prosperity for its people without any discrimination which is a sacrosanct in Islam, as long as he has the support of the Egyptian people.
Let the Prophets of doom take the backseat and watch the show which has just started.
Rex Minor
to parvez
you wish to bootlick arabs and turks and hate brahmins so that you can justify this bootlicking of arabs and turks.
Minor
every time you post, you only end up embarrassing yourself. buildings and not humans are important to a believer?! so what the hell is slave trade?! what the hell is targeting Bahai’s and Shia’s?!
what the hell is making the lives of non-muslims unbearable?!
also, how the hell is tearing down the pyramids going to benefit people?! the only thing the this will lead to is the loss of revenue to Egypt in the form of tourism and the loss of a historical monument that spoke of the history of Egypt before the advent of Islam.
your ideology of buildings being less important than people is the sad excuse that vandals and barbarians use when the want to indulge in their perverse iconoclasm.
if tearing down the pyramids does not benefit the people then why indulge in it?! just because they are unislamic? Minor, you and your kind are a thoroughly nauseating lot who should be put behind bars. you are the hypocrite and charlatan who talks of democracy and human rights of Kashmir on the one hand and supports a group as draconian and barbaric as the Taliban on the other.
charlatans like you should not dare to talk about the human rights of other people since the Taliban are your wet dream but you do because you anyway since there is no difference between your ideology and theirs.
the difference between you and the Taliban is just that you hapen to be sitting in west and are not putting your perverse wet dreams into action.
like i have said before, you are the standing example of how organized religion in the opiate of the masses.
willing to indulge in any act as long as it wears the garb of your religion. people like you do not know what critical, analytical, and rational thinking is all about. this what results in people like yo indulging in the crimes that RHR has just spoke about.
i’m quite sure a guy like you would not hesitate to burn someone for accidentally/ intentionally burning the Koran.
when i interact with people like you it becomes increasingly clear o me that the only manner with which peace can be achieved is to detach oneself from organized religion. only with an unburdened mind can one understand and question their own actions rather than have them guided by a book that is largely full of rubbish.
“Savage Afghan villagers laughed, cheered and yelled, “God is great,” as a a burqa-wearing young woman caught in a love triangle between Taliban rivals was ruthlessly shot dead in an execution captured on video.
The horrifying amateur video shows a man wearing an orange beret coldly firing an AK-47 into the woman’s head and body — and continuing to blast away at close range even as she lay dead on the ground.
As the 22-year-old woman, identified only as Najiba, is gunned down, about 150 men perched on a nearby hillside in the Qimchok village in Parwan province shout their approval at the “mujahedeen,” yelling, “God is great.”
BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS: A Taliban militant guns down a woman caught in a love triangle as his approving comrades watch the outrage.
NATO’s top commander in Afghanistan, US Gen. John Allen, called the killing “an atrocity of unspeakable cruelty.”
Afghan authorities said the killing came after the two Taliban sickos had argued over the woman.
Parwan provincial governor Abdul Basir Salangi told CNN that because both Taliban men “had some kind of relationship with the woman,” they decided to accuse her of adultery to “save face.”
A shocked villager gave the sickening video — believed to have been shot in June — to the government, and it was obtained by Reuters.
The Afghan government condemned the killing as un-Islamic and inhuman.
“This was a brutal act against the Afghan people by the Taliban,” Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Seddiqi said.
“They will be punished as they were punished 10 years ago, and we will continue our struggle to eliminate them,” he told Reuters.
Public executions of accused adulterers were common when the Taliban regime was in power. They were overthrown by the US-led coalition after the 9/11 attacks for allowing Osama bin Laden to operate freely.
The Taliban denied involvement in the killing, but authorities in Kabul directly blamed the Islamist fundamentalists.
And while many cheered, some villagers vowed to get even.
“We will take revenge for this. Their brutality and such inhumane acts are why we hate the Taliban,” said a 42-year-old shopkeeper in Charikar, provincial capital of Parwan.
Despite a decade of war and the presence of more than 130,000 foreign troops and 300,000 Afghan soldiers and police, the Taliban have spread from their traditional bastions in the south and east, extending their reach into once more peaceful areas like Parwan.
http://youtu.be/vCV61MYdRj8
A 28-year-old Afghan villager recently felt the brutal hand of Taliban justice when he received 70 lashes on his bare back because his beard was too short.
The man, identified only as Amaanullah, writhed in pain with his hands tied behind his back as neighbors in Bala Deh, in the remote mountainous province of Nuristan, in northern Afghanistan, were forced to witness the savage beating.
“We couldn’t do anything except watch,” said Haji Saeed Ahmad, 51, a teacher. “They try to control you with fear.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/taliban_wrath_at_too_short_beard_Yc3tAC5y6tPRC25eToBTHI#ixzz20JFbesnI
Afghans have been made into cowards, that is why they brought forth terrorists and (can) do nothing against them. The more cowardly and stupid they are/become, the more violent they became and will become. It is because of their religion, this primitive fascism from Arabia. When they were buddhists (=more like hindus) or zoroastis, they were more humane and dignified. Same about turks and iranians.
http://youtu.be/XxK5cftTZck
Minor
you are such a fool that you do not even realize that the Muslim Brotherhood, which you are so supportive of, is hell bent on the Western Civilization that you claim to be a part of.
that is the most integral part of their manifesto. to destroy the Western Civilization and create a world that is run based on Islamic jurisprudence and the Sharia.
all terrorism that the Muslim Brotherhood indulges in, is justified by this.
Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Bin-Laden’s right hand man, is a proud member of the brotherhood and they are proud to calling him a member.
9/11 was part of their plan of bringing down the Western Civilization and by supporting them ignorantly and what they stand for, you foolishly justify terrorist attacks that they have indulged in.
this is your problem. your blanket support of anything that claims to work in the name of Islam no matter what it does, without knowing what it does, proves the dangers of following a ideology without the burden of proof. and this is what makes you who you are now……an idiot.
* is hell bent on the ‘destruction’ of the Western Civilization
If Rex is a true a follower, he would end up like Faisal shehzad one day – if he is coward like muhammed, then he is harmless, they are many of his breed in Europe that are left unchecked to show people the true face of Islam.
The most shameless pair of Indians, with the background of witnessing the persecution of Kashmiris on a daily basis by their miltary, and having millions of slaves made up of complete families, including women and children, which their labour minister calls them as bonded labour not slaves, have the bloody cheek to paste everthing they can collect from the world wide web which befits their axiom of anti-Islam, with impunity on PTH Blog, I must say it is a brave act. And this in response to the article on Egypt on Brink.
Both of these characters are not fit for any civilised society.
Rex Minor
do not give me that crap. the video that i sent to you was from an Afghan who sent it to the Reuters.
but to someone like you it does not matter does it? as long as a certain piece of info does not mach up with your hero image of the Taliban or the brotherhood, you will disregard it as propaganda. so what information do you believe in? secret tapes that are sent to you by the Taliban where they talk about the great humanitarian work that they are doing? the manner with which they are ushering a new era of reform and independent thought?
the only reason you side with the Taliban and the brotherhood is Islam. this is also what makes you an Idiot.
as far as Kashmir is concerned, let me tell you that there is no army in the world that ha not indulged in excesses at some point.
so by your impeccable logic, no one in the world can speak about human rights violation because their respective armies would have indulged in excesses at some point.a german can never be a human rih=ghts activist because of the genocide?! this is how you embarrass yourself every time you post. bu it is not surprising. if you support the brotherhood and the Taliban, then your hold on logic and reasoning is nonexistent anyway.
what the army of my country has or has not done in Kashmir 2 decades back has nothing to do with me. Kashmiris even today elect their own leaders and are part of a democratic process. i have all the right to speak about human rights violations anywhere despite what my army might do. and the army does come under censure from Indians for what it had done.
but you, you glorify the Taliban and the brotherhood on the one hand and then talk about human rights in Kashmir and this more than anything else makes you a charlatan and a hypocrite of elephantine proportions.
as usual you have nothing to come up with against anything specific i have said. just generic nonsense attacking a person rather than facts and hiding behind a veil of religious victimization of the West.
please show me where the Indian government has made bonded laborers out of entire families. give me a source. but obviously like Tajender, you have none.
and yes we fear you. your ideology is incompatible with peace and sustaining peace with people who do not share your ideology. your ideology kills people who accidentally burn the Koran, who conduct 9/11, who vandalize ancient structures. if an ideology can randomly attack an innocent, then of course it is going to be feared. how can a supporter of Taliban be a part of a peaceful, civilized society?
that does not mean we wont fight you.
there are are scoundrels like you to be found in every religion. the job of secularists is to make sure your ideology never gets to see the light of day. and this is why this discussion is so relevant to this article. the brotherhood, like the Taliban, stands for everything that we stand against. fighting the ideology( by including the Taliban) is fighting the brotherhood and what they stand for.
to rex
Your knowledge of history is taken from muslim propaganda sources. History does not begin as per the needs of islamic imperialism and land greed and fascism. Kashmir is hindu land taken by muslims through violence and deceit. That is the bad karma of the muslims and their lies – and that is so all over the world. The worst of islam is yet to come. All your attempts to glorify kuran, Mohammad and islam will only accelerate the pace into islamic fascism and disaster. But you will put blame for that on the non-muslims and continue with your deceits and self-deceits.
To fingofiln who is full of shit and this is all he has been spewing out about a religion that he has not got the faintest idea of what it is all about other than his experience with Pakistani and Indian muslims. You talk about West; I am West or did you think my ancestors were bloody hindus as well. But I am not the traumatised American West or the West of lumber jacks most of which is empty space and has been accomodating for the last several decades homeless, sick and destitudes asylum seekers and riffrafs from every corner of the world. I have not got the faintest idea about the muslim brotherhood political party which was banned in Egypt under the dictators, and is now on the centre stage of Egyptian politics. Their candidate has been elected as the President of the Egypt for the first time in the thousands year of history . And when the world is waiting for the next stage in Egypt peaceful revolution and the black President of the majority white America is looking forward to meeting the new man, you are worying about the pyramids and Egyptian tourist business– the old Zionist golden calve again is in the centre of Non-believers.your politics.
Neither India nor Pakistans are democracies, since their militaries have been committing genocides and atrocities against their own citizens, and I strongly condemn them. I therefore cannot condemn those who resist this brutal force. For your info human rights were orignated and established by the believers and not by the non-believers of this world and I condemn all violations be it by Siri Lanca against the Temils and by any groups or States against their own or foreign people. The Taliban was a movement of students and therefore called Talibans and they went across the whole of Afghanistan with Quraan on their heads and put a stop to their internal killings after the withdrawl of the Soviet Union. In other words peace in the name of Islam was restored among the feuding tribes within Afghanistan.
Those who use violence in the name of Islam have not underwtood what Islam is all about. Islam is a way of life and I repeat the religion of Islam is a way of life, certainly not a violent way of life but peace and compassion for the next and love for the humanity. This is Islam and if the followers of Islam do not understand or follow the path of peace then it is due to the lack of education among its followers. No one should know better than the Indians inwhose land Sufism flourished most when muslims theologists realised what atrocities they had committed against the non muslims during their invasions. Yes, it was muslims who spent most of their lives asking for forgiveness of God the creator, for the ills they had committed against non muslims aalso the creation of the God almighty. No sir, the institution of the Sufism did not merge among the christians who equaly if not with more brutality charged into and beyond Europe in spreading the word of God in christian style or have you not heard about the debauchry and rapes committed by the Popes who formerly had several wives and King Richard who forcefully had sex with young kids in the church premises. These were the times for barbarity and today we have overcome our past mistakes and are civilised people and condemn violence. Do not try to challenge my integrity for I abhore violence and those who commit and cause violence. Even in these times I hear the woes and sufferings of those who are long not with us and who are even now becoming the victims of indiscriminate Drone attacks and military violence against the civilians and innocents.
Every friday muslims around the world are obliged to assemble in mosques for noon prayers( as christians assemble in chuches or prayer halls of America) and they are delivered to the mercy of the priest, an Imam or a speaker. Those who are illetrates and lack understanding can easily flip over and come out with unconrolled emotions about what they hear from the speaker in Pakistan, in Arabia or American prayer halls. I do not include European mosques or churches which more or less do not preach intolerence or get involved in politics. This reaction is no different than that of yours in your part of the world or in the Arabian penensula where the average rate of literacy is not very encouraging.
The solution to overcome the situation is very simple, education for men as well as women so that the children learn this from their mothers before they are of school age. This is the main reason behind the UNO effort to support the education possibilities for women.
Now to the label of Taliban, it has since been used by several groups to resist legitimately or illegitamately foreign as well as internal forces within Afghanistan and Pakistan. The whole region in my opinion has now been talibanised if this is the right word to describe what is happening now. I could very well compare the situation with the ancient Germanic and Teutonic tribes who were spreading heavoc in the land and ransacking everything around them.
The instability though is self insciniert but the lack of a dialog and the presence of foreign military are the ingredients of instability and this could very well destabilised the entire Indian subcontinent, starting the like of wars of thirty years in Europe.
And now I am going to listen to Bethowen piano concert by Lang Lang, the chinese maestro and then I shall see a little after eight the report on Pakistan on Bayrische Alpha TV. And if you do not stop the Indian habit of reading every crap without being selective, then you are likely to glide into the stage of MTG who is most of the time talkng to himself. Even people from the North have a limit on their tolerance.
Just Google to learn about Indian slaves of the Indian business enterprise who use them for construction of roads etc without paying them zero salaries but provide them with food and clothing since they claim ownership over them.
Rex Minor
Ahem,
Is it difficult for you to improve your use of english words?- I have improved mine so why ca’nt you d? Stop the use of Indain idioms? What is this bootlicking? I am not an Indian, I do not read the crap propagnda of any one. I hardly make quotations or reference anything and if people do not understand what I have stated then I have no interest to communicate with the person since he has not the standard I expect from people to have on this blog. They should better go and play on Express Tribune blog? Is lam does not need glorification of any one, all glory is to God the creator of the mankind and the universe.
I do not care who is the owner of the land; people who live on the land which matters to me. Everything else is ethnic cleansing and this is a crime against humanity. Stop the atrocities in Kashmir and tear down the walls as was done in Europe. Peace alone is the solution for the lifting the barriers and thwre is no reason why the non muslims cannot live in peace with muslims in the entire region of the subcontinent. Must you guys destroy each other before this occurs and should this happen direct after another war between the two nations. Rememer Indian history tells us that muslims have a lot more stamina for wars than others, because they seem to feel good at in wars even when they loose. Force peace on them and make them uncomfortable.
Rex Minor
Minor
“bloody hindu”?! really? and you are a man of peace? wow every time you end up outdoing yourself.
a religion that says that “you may kill the Kuffar”, stone him to death etc cannot be a religion of peace.
a law( the sharia) which advises men to beat their wives, holds man and woman unequal, cannot be a religion of peace and its adherents similarly cannot be people of peace. the dilemma that most peaceful muslims face is in reconciling these verses of their holy book and law codes. yet they do not follow these verses since they are governed by logic and not by blind faith.
secular muslims have disregarded these verses although they form an integral part of what their scriptures are talking about.
so basically if you are someone who follows Islam with an unflinching and blind faith, then you have to be violent because the Koran and the sharia are violent books. the key is eclecticism.
if you are a secular muslim, then you have been eclectic in your acceptance of Islam and have taken what is beautiful but have at the same time, rubbished what deserves to be rubbished.
the dichotomy of the Koran is what leads to a justification of both violence and peace among its adherents.
this is what leads to violent Islamic groups justifying their crimes using the Koran. they are not wrong. the Koran does ask them to kill the nonbeliever.
similarly peaceful muslims are also not wrong when they quote the Koran since the Koran also talkes about peace. question is will you as an individual accept everything that you read at face value and be called an idiot or will you think for yourself and accept everything that Muhammad, a charismatic but contradictory man has said.
Minor, you have openly supported the Taliban in previous discussions and that is what prevents you from assuming the credentials of a peaceful man.
you are so enthralled and mesmerized by them that you think they are superhumans descended upon earth to protect the banner of allah and are incapable of defeat.
and then on the other hand when you end up talking about peace, you end up making yourself a laughing stock and a charlatan.
read your comments on this article itself. you have openly supported the brotherhood and the PHD Morsi like as if having a PHD absolves him of all the crime his group has committed of which he is an heir.
then you come and say that you do not know anything about the brotherhood! this is where your stupidity becomes manifest. you do not know anything about the brotherhood and yet openly support them because they are the “muslim” brotherhood.
so let me inform you that for the brotherhood of muslims, any society that is not based on the sharia is termed as “jahilliya” or barbarian. and thus the brotherhoods aim, thanks to that moron Sayyid Qutb, is to make sure that the sharia is enforced in all societies of the world. this means that all other societies, including the Western Civilization, has to be destroyed. it is this ideology of enforcing a an absolute hogwash of a law code( the sharia) and the arrogance that come along with it, that makes the brotherhood and any group that is based in extremist Islam a danger to the rest of the society. so not only do they want the sharia to be applied to them, they also want to force it down the gauntlets of all the world. can such a group or any such group be peaceful? therefore can the people who support such groups( you) correspondingly be peaceful? of course not. its obvious.
as far as your Western credentials are concerned, your ancestors might not be “bloody hindu”, they might have been christian, but you are no longer an heir of the Western Civilization because Islam is completely incompatible with the Western mindset. they are in fact, polar opposites. just read the sharia and you will know the difference between that and the Western ideals of law and justice. there is absolutely nothing similar especially when Islam does not believe in equality between men and women, muslims and non-muslims. so if you are have unflinching belief in the Koran, then you have given up your claim to your Western heritage.
and that is exactly what pious and extremist muslims do all over the world. whenever a people have converted to Islam, they have done their best to erase their pre-islamic past unless they are enlightened muslims. they destroy temples, libraries, monestories, universities, pyramids and any other reminder of their pre-islamic past that their ancestors had made. you of course support this. which is why, upon assuming Islam, you loose your claim to the Western Civilization of your ancestors.
the rest of your post is nonsense as is your wont. i see no need to know that you are listening to beethoven or Mozart. does not make you any less of an extremist.
as far as India not being a democracy is concerned, you are probable the only delusional guy in the world who thinks that India is not a democracy based on your definition of what a democracy is. a democracy is where people elect their own leaders. period. what the army does or does not do has no bearing in terming a country a democracy. understood?
your country Germany is part of the Nato and so kills many innocent Muslims and others. so by that logic Germany is not a democracy either?! so as long as you are not committing atrocities on your people, but committing it on others it is alright and you can be called a democracy? pah! grow up Minor.
also please do not blame illiteracy as the cause for extremism. most people in the brotherhood are very very literate people. Ayman Al-Zawahiri is a doctor for crying out loud! Bin-Laden was no illiterate. nor was Sayyid Qutb who had actually gone to USA to study. literate or not, if you give yourself up completely to the Koran, you will become extremist since the Koran does contain such provocative verses. illiterate or not, it is when you loose the ability to question that any individual following any philosophy, becomes an idiot.
the ability to question everything that you come across is what saves you from fundamentalism.
i believe most of the Western media because i know the manner with which it functions and i know the consequences involved if incorrect news is published. facts have a way of reaching people and lies have a way of becoming known. if all the news channels print a certain story then it is bound to be true. if only one is doing so, then you can be sure that the rest of the channels, based on the competition involved, will debunk it.
it is therefore, a self satisfying system because of the number of people involved. always remember, when the news reaches you involves an incredible number of people, it is true because if it is not, then the number of liabilities are much higher which means that the truth will out sooner rather than later. it is the news that comes from a single source that is subject to suspicion understood?
i think even you, being as gullible as you are, will understand this. so when your Taliban heroes send you secret footage of humanitarian work it is likely to be bullshit, understood?
Indian Muslims have a fantastic narrative of peace and secularism brought about by their practice of Sufism( more than 90% of Indian Muslims are Sufis). so does Turkey.
the same cannot be said of certain kinds of Muslims in the Arabian peninsula and its offshoots like the brotherhood and their supporters.
as a proponent of the Taliban and the brotherhood( unwittingly), you have no credentials of peace.
at least if you admit to that, you can safely lose the tag of a charlatan, what say?
to rex
Stop the use of arab idioms. Stop being a bootlicker of arabs. Don’t enforce a 7th century arab god-concept as the one and only god. Don’t enforce that totalitarianism-fascism and arabism on us.
There are so many “don’ts” that you too should be following in order to be called a decent honest enlightened human being.
As regards genocides: what about the genocide on hindus in Pakistan? You never talk about that. Genocide on christians in Anatolia by muslims/turks, on Jews by arabs in Medinah, zoroastrians in Iran by muslims etc. – you never talk of that.
Fact is, Kashmiris are not all for being independent from India. Only a minority wants to be swallowed by the sunni fascists in Pakistan. Many a freedom fighter was just emotional and ended up bringing a worse tragedy on his people. That has happened so often in the history of mankind. Islam has made some kashmiris blind to the reality of islam’s fascism and arab imperialism. Under such conditions it would be irresponsible on the part of India to let Pakistan and its agents hold sway. The dead in Kashmir are largely due to the politics of sunni fascism-imperialism from Pakistan. Islam is the biggest promiser of lies.