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Hamid Mir, Nasim Yousaf and distorting the image of the founding father

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

Pakistanis like to claim a lot of nonsense about Jinnah. Most recently Hamid Mir of Geo has claimed that Jinnah had willed that Shabbir Ahmed Usmani would lead his funeral prayers. What can one say to such patent nonsense? I suppose Jinnah told his butler, “I have decided that Usmani old boy would lead my funeral prayers” while holding a cigar in one hand, a class of single malt in the other and his pet dog resting in his lap. Ludicrous. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind – primary or otherwise- that seconds such a ridiculous claim. As a counter-question, one may also ask why then a separate Shia funeral was held at the Governor General’s residence? Was that also willed?

It goes without saying that Hamid Mir is in a long line of people who have taken liberties with facts of Jinnah’s life. For example I received another email from Waseem Altaf, who had earlier fallaciously argued that Jinnah had converted to Shiism in 1921 from Ismaili faith to “further his political career” only to be proved wrong when I showed that in fact Jinnah had converted to Shiism in 1901 long before he was in politics and that converting to Shiism as a matter of fact would not have helped Jinnah’s career either in the League or the Congress. It turns out that Altaf Hussain of MQM has recently shown that in fact the conversion was in 1898. The ignorant arguments of Waseem Altaf – amongst the new illiterate lot who want to criticize Jinnah to prove themselves enlightened except they don’t know enough to criticize him for right reasons- were exploded in my post here.

So coming back to the email, Waseem Altaf mian put in subject “this further reveals Jinnah’s character”. Apparently Waseem Altaf has it on the good authority of “the great historian and scholar” Nasim Yousuf that Jinnah received Rs. 600,000 to make Pakistan. This coming from a person who not long claimed- on this website- that the Australian scholar Ian Bryant Wells’ book “Jinnah, Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity” published by a reputed Indian publisher was secretly financed by deep state in Pakistan (if only the Deep State adhered to the secularist ideals that the book states to be Jinnah’s politics).   Talk about wild fantasy. Anyway I had read the article by Mr. Yousuf and found it so patently ridiculous that I did not feel the need to respond to it. However if you do not nip a lie in the bud it comes to accepted as the truth, especially with someone like Jinnah who is already widely misunderstood and whose nuanced political efforts are not always easy to explain to a simple mind.  For one thing, there is absolutely no evidence – primary or secondary- to substantiate this utter and total lie nor has Nasim Yousaf provided any substantiation of his claim. A single line is produced and claimed to be from Modern Review’s editorial from December 1946 which is “…Jinnah is receiving 6 lakhs annually from the government of India…”  There are several issues with this.

1. Why does Nasim Yousaf not produce hard copy evidence which is verifiable for this claim? Should be easy enough? After all he claims to have seen it. Why not produce it?

2. Why is the said “excerpt” truncated as if lifted from mid sentence? Surely the words preceding these 9 words and following them are equally important?

3. Why – if this was such a huge revelation – was it not carried by Hindustan Times, Civil and Military Gazette, the Hindu etc which were considered traditional Congress press?

Let us assume- for the argument- that this line actually occurs in the said journal on the said date, is it automatically assumed that this was some sort of illegal gratification? For example Jinnah’s Lahore house was requisitioned by the British Army in 1941 for the purposes of the world war. Similarly Jinnah was eligible for fuel and other parliamentary allowances as a member of the central legislative assembly which he was continuously from 1910 to 1946. So it could be anything (which is why Mr. Nasim Yousaf has omitted the words immediately before and after the said line and the truth of it can only be ascertained if Mr. Yousaf produces the actual primary source in some scanned form or produces the entire context).

In any event Jinnah was held universally by his opponents and admirers alike to be a man of absolute integrity, honesty and incorruptibility.  Dr. Ambedkar, the great untouchable leader, considered Jinnah the one politician to whom term “incorruptible” could be most fittingly applied and who had “never been a soldier of fortune”.  Gandhi, Jinnah’s principal rival, considered Jinnah’s greatest strength his incorruptibility.  Nehru, who bitterly criticizes Jinnah, wrote in his book “Discovery of India” that Jinnah was without the lure of public office or personal gain. H V Hodson described Jinnah as a completely scrupulous man who was beyond question by even his worst opponents.  The list goes on. One may disagree with Jinnah’s positions in the closing decade of the raj, but one can never claim that he was receiving subsidies from the British.


Allama Mashriqi – who or what was he?

However the same could not be said of Nasim Yousaf’s grandfather, Allama Mashriqi who was widely alleged to have been financed by Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists.  Mashriqi had by his own admission met Mr. Hitler in 1926 and had automatically taken a liking to the Nazi leader. His son confirms that in 1934, the fuhrer had sent a special emissary to Mashriqi to help bolster Mashriqi’s efforts to organize the Khaksar Tehreek. UP Legislature spent an entire day’s proceedings discussing Mashriqi’s connections to Nazis during the second world war. Allama Mashriqi was a thoroughly unbalanced and eccentric character though a gifted mathematician and an alright educator. Other than that he was akin to what we call “chun chun da muraba” in Punjabi.  Mashriqi was everything and nothing.  His Khaksar Tehreek was a curious mixture of Hitler Youth and a militant interpretation of Islamic prayer.  Mashriqi’s vision for India was under absolute Muslim rule of one Muslim dictator called the Amir, who would be a cross between Nietzche’s Superman and Iqbal’s Mard-e-Momin and who would be General Muhammad Bin Qasim and Mahmud Ghaznavi reborn. Allama believed in Islamic Puritanism and Social Darwinism, and sought to combine the two with the local version of fascism. Despite this he claimed the Khaksar Movement was non-communal. Later Mashriqi claimed in his book “Aksariat ya Khoon” (Majority or Blood) that Muslims deserved to inherit India because “on average 125 Muslims have died for every Hindu in battle for India since the inception for colonial rule”.  He criticized the Mullahs from the angle of a popular Islamist lower middle class urbanite.  Allama also criticized Averroes and Avicenna for having made pure Islam impure by bringing in Greek philosophy.  Allama attacked Gandhi for his non-violence which he thought was not manly enough and sent Rafiq Sabir to assassinate Jinnah (ironically for not coming to terms with Gandhi in 1944). In many ways Allama and his Khaksars were the subcontinent’s Kharjites.  Mashriqi attacked the Muslim League for not coming to an arrangement with the Congress but in NWFP he bitterly attacked Khan Sahib and Red Shirts for being too soft on Congress and for being in league with the Hindus. After partition he was one of the foremost advocates of absolute Islamisation of Pakistan. Other than that he was – Sir Sikandar Hayat put it- a coward (which he proved when he failed to come to Lahore in early 1940 to carry out the 313 agitation against the Unionist party which he had called and which resulted in the unfortunate deaths of 50 Khaksar youths). Those interested in reading an unvarnished account of Allama Mashriqi and his movement should refer to Ian Talbot’s brilliant “Region and Partition”, which includes a detailed paper on Mashriqi by Iftikhar H Malik, however I will sum it up in one line – Mashriqi was the “Sir” Allama Zaid Hamid of his time – crazy, eccentric and a chun chun ka muraba.

Now enter Mr. Nasim Yousaf, the “historian” and “scholar” whose great works range from export-import to Singapore to the issue of how Jinnah was a British agent and Mashriqi was a great colleague of Gandhi (he was not! Mashriqi was as critical of Gandhi as he was of Jinnah) who worked to preserved the unity of India, which is also not true. In fact it is impossible given Mashriqi’s flip flops, threats etc to determine which side of the fence he fell, unlike Maududi, JUH and Ahrar who clearly and consistently supported the Congress. As for Nasim Yousaf, those who wish to take him to be some sort of a scholar should at the very least watch his regal message to the peoples of the subcontinent – delivered through youtube. That should prove that the apple does not fall far from the tree!



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  1. Vajra India Safari iPad says:


    When you visualised the prospect of the princely states breaking away from the ommonwealth of India, did you consider which states were likely to break away in reality, taking their behaviour in the days of partition as an index? Also keeping in mind that some examples of defiance were to make choices that would not have been necessary under the conditions of a negotiated and properly arranged transition? Finally why should we assume such massive movement in the general area of Anglo-Indian relations, yet assume that the princes would stay encased in amber?

  2. Bade Miyan United States Mozilla Firefox Mac OS says:

    I will continue on the previous thread of discussion:
    “I have said there is no caste related discrimination in Bengal, not in a way it is understood elsewhere.”
    That is such an elitist take. It’s like comforting a person who has his toe crushed by recommending the travails of his neighbor who had his hand chopped off.
    “I would never characterize the politics or anything else in Bengal as communal or casteist. Not after seeing in real life what these terms mean for instance in UP (I lived in Kanpur for a few years).”
    The point you are missing is that the hardening or manifestation of caste politics in the heartland is the result of the quest of the depressed class for an increasing share of political pie. When that notion reaches Bengal, you will see a similar tumult there too.
    “For what happened in Bengal about 50-100 years earlier read on wiki about Ramtanu Lahiri, ….read about Ram Mohan Roy, Vidyasagar, Vivekananda, Tagore, learn how the Bengali revolutionaries themselves viewed caste system/untouchability.”
    That’s like Americans claiming that segregation ended because of the Civil War. The point still remains: why aren’t there more members from lower castes in the ruling dispensation in Bengal. Your explanations are not convincing.
    “BM, Gandhi was insignificant for Bengal in social matters. This is why his “appeal” stopped at the gates of Bengal. ”
    I wasn’t talking about Gandhi. I was talking about Ambedkar. The lower castes in Bengal do not have their icons and they cannot borrow icons from elsewhere. In case you didn’t notice, the minister in that article had a portrait of Ambedkar in his office. There might be something new emerging.

  3. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Why all the 11 Bengali faculty members in Delhi University’s English Department (out of a total of 21) are Bengali caste Hindus? Does DU have a hidden caste selection rule for Bengali faculty members? The answer to that is the answer to the rest of your queries.
    The alternative fantasy history is a perspective statement for rabid Gandhi admirers. It may have missed your notice but the fantasy way yielded independence with 5000 deaths but the Gandhian way 6 million!

  4. Bade Miyan United States Mozilla Firefox Mac OS says:

    “Why all the 11 Bengali faculty members in Delhi University’s English Department (out of a total of 21) are Bengali caste Hindus?”
    Old boys club? It’d be extremely naive to dismiss that. Oh and are you implying that lower castes in Bengal are intrinsically less capable in politics? You are missing the point about the overall trend. Let’s not forget that most of these professors were appointed at least 20 years ago. In fact, if your proposition is true, then it’s an even more damning indictment of the caste structure in Bengal. Why do only caste Hindus figure in those lists? Are lower castes any less capable?
    As for the alternative version, as I said, be my guest and massage your fantasies. I couldn’t help reading that piece and found it puerile and juvenile. It surprises me that it caught your attention. I am not going to waste time discussing what if this and that.

  5. Vajra India Safari iPad says:


    Because these eleven represent those who could afford to be out of the job market long enough to undertake their under-graduate, post-graduate and doctoral programmes.

    This is a listing of the students in my class at Presidency:

    Roy (Brahmin)=>job
    Ghosh=>studied abroad, MA
    Ghosh-dastidar=>post grad., teacher
    Chakravarty=>post grad., teacher (Dekhi, ironically enough)
    Chakravarty (Brahmo)=>post grad.
    Bahl=>post grad.
    Roy (Kayastha)=>post grad., CA (UK)
    Sen=>post grad.

    Of the two who went into work, one was stupid, a famous Maharaja’s son, the other was the brightest, was Scheduled Caste, and wrote the competitive exams. He sailed into the IFS, and sailed out again in a few years. His contemporary, from my History class, shrugged and said, he couldn’t fit in.

  6. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    No, BM, some of them are actually quite young. One had Ph.D in 2007, some in the late 1990′s, about 10-12 years ago. But you ignore the thrust of the argument. The so-called caste Hindus are good at some things. What they are good at you will find them in large numbers. What they are not good at you won’t find them. It’s not necessary there has to be a caste based preference for their dominance in certain fields, either nationally or in Bengal. Actually I am not even sure who is a caste Hindu and who is not. Is Panja caste Hindu? Anyways, these things matter perhaps only in arranged marriages but even that trend is declining, even in the middle class. Even in the middle class the norm seems to be the so-called “love marriages” and caste based preferences are naturally irrelevant there. Most of my friends including cousins took this route and most of these resulted in the inter-caste marriages. But yes, in arranged marriages caste does matter but the number is declining. In professional life caste doesn’t matter. In Bengal caste based identification has been replaced by class based identification. How many caste related violence from Bengal do you hear of? Anyway, this is a pointless exercise, we have very different reference frames for social issues, so no point arguing.

  7. Bade Miyan United States Mozilla Firefox Mac OS says:

    “The so-called caste Hindus are good at some things. What they are good at you will find them in large numbers. What they are not good at you won’t find them.”
    I hope you realize that you are arguing for Gandhi’s beliefs regarding caste system.
    “How many caste related violence from Bengal do you hear of?”
    There is no anti Muslim communal violence committed by Hindus in Pakistan. Some discrimination can be subtle. I am actually quite stunned by the cavalier manner in which you have dismissed every arguments to the contrary by terming it as facile or iconoclastic. All I did was put forth honest questions. That peevishness sounds very similar to that displayed by Muslims. We don’t hold back when it comes to their criticism, do we?

  8. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Which side are you on? You are essentially making the same points I am making. Go to sleep.

  9. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    No, I am not making Gandhi’s argument. All I am saying is that in Bengal, when you reach a certain economic class, you concentrate all your energies in education, art, music etc. Saraswati Puja, for instance, is a big public festival only in Bengal. So it’s natural that you will find Bengalis from a certain economic class (middle to above) dominate some fields but not other ones such as business. There is no caste-based discrimination in this and that is a fact. That may give some caste Hindu bias by default but anyone from the so-called lower castes, provided he/she is from the same economic class, is not less likely to find success in professional fields.

  10. Vajra India Safari iPad says:


    Doesn’t seem to be that at all.

    Your point of view is that Bengal went through a social revolution and shed all its social impairments, giving rise to a moderate and cultured, sophisticated culture. The province went through the Surendranath Bannerjee agitation, then the partition of Bengal, and was quite ready for Gandhi’s campaigns. At the time of independence, a communal threat developed, to split the province. The provincial lealdership rose to the occasion, cobbled together a coalition with Suhrawardy but it didn’t work out, so they went back sadly to Calcutta and started ruling the little state I’m enlightened manner.

    My story is that the Bengali Bhadrolok encountered the British, reacted quickly to absorb what they could of the learning opportunities presented and emerged far beyond the rest of India in terms of rationality and social customs. Through the mistake of a particularly stupid British nobleman, undergoing his rehabilitation in India after losing America, they also got a windfall gain, and became masters of much of the land.

    However it did not occur to them to spread around their opportunities, and instead they kept ruling Indian society much as they wished they had done under the Nawabs. When one of the elite was thwarted, they reacted strongly, agitated for fair play and justice and found to their surprise that there were benefits to be gained. They grew exceedingly self-confident, the colonial administration decided to put them down a peg or two, and hit them at their weakest point – their point of junction with the vast mass of Muslim peasantry below them. They agitated once again, but failed to notice that the peasants were no longer with them.

    Soon the peasantry managed to get one or two of their brightest through the academic system, joined the professions, and in time, began organising. The efforts of the peasants to grow politically ran out of steam after hitting a couple of roadblocks, and the survivors, including those of the same community though not themselves peasants, joined a communal party, but managed to give that party a twist all their own. At the time of partition, these elements from the peasantry, represented by members of the community who were not peasants, proposed an independent Bengal, but the Bhadrolok had decided enough was enough and re-asserted themselves, pressing for partition, and got it, and lived happily ever after.

    Not the same.

  11. Vajra India Safari iPad says:

    @Bade Miyan

    On the thread Jinnah’s Vision of Pakistan, YLH has a series of comments, one after the other, on September 24. The one at 12:18 is most trenchant. I disagree with his views, as they fail to account for the point that the League had gone completely off the rails in the Punjab, provoking a stinging note from Governor Casey, and had earlier ensured that the street was terrified out of its wits in Calcutta, after Direct Action Day.

    My question is to you both, separately: do you think he is right? That left to itself, given two complete provinces without partition, both the bloodshed of partition, and the difficult relations between the two new Dominions would have been considerably ameliorated?

  12. Fingolfin United States Google Chrome Windows says:


    seriously?! you are goin to take the word of a man who was the prime minister of Great Britain when he was about to dismantle the empire? Why would a British PM ever admit that they were about to leave India because of a man in a loin cloth wielding a stick and promising not to use it on them?
    I have no doubt that Gandhi was a pain for the British which is why he spent most of his time after his return from South Africa in jail.
    anyway, as far as the royalty of India is concerned, i have no doubt that they would unequivocally and without exception, ask for a their own independence. Why would any king give up his sovereignty for a united union? This was not just the Muslim Kings but the Hindus ons as well. I don’t know how many people are aware of the fact that the proud Rajputs had seriously considered joining the Pakistani federation because Pakistan was much kinder to them and would maintain their status which India refused to do. Jinnah had even written to Jodhpur promising all this. It was in these times that V.P Menon was sent to Jodhpur to ensure that he signs the treaty. This was a preemptive move as V.P had discovered of the Jinnah Jodhpur correspondence. The story of how V.P ensured that Jodhpur signs the treaty is now stuff of bureaucratic legend. Jodhpur then offered to fly V.P back personally in such a topsy-turvy flight that V.P was sick for quite a while after.
    V.P is also an unsung hero of the integration. But the intention of the princes was obvious. Had there been no Congress to speak for the people, the princes would have had their way with sovereignty. That is for sure.

  13. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    This is Indoostaan!

    A good Aristocratic family is most concerned that their 30 year old
    son is unmarried.

    So, they call a marriage broker and ask him to find their son a good wife.

    The broker comes over to their house and spends a long time asking
    questions of the son and
    his parents as to what they want in a wife/daughter-in-law.
    They give him a long shopping list of requirements.

    The marriage broker takes a long time looking, and finally asks to
    visit the family again.
    He then tells them of a wonderful woman he has found. He says she’s
    just the right age
    for the son… She keeps a Pooja room in home…she regularly attends
    temples and knows
    the prayers by heart…she is a wonderful cook…she loves children
    and wants a large family.
    And, to crown it all of, she’s gorgeous.

    After hearing all this, the family is very impressed and begins to get
    excited about the
    prospects of a wedding in the near future.

    But the son pauses and asks inappropriately: “Is she also good in bed?”

    The marriage broker answers, “some say yes…some say no………..”

  14. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    I got your messages and sorry for a delayed response. To borrow a phrase from Sayed Mujtaba Ali (hope you’ve read him) your imagination is so thick one can cut it with a knife. That I will do more fully later. But just as a starter, after S. N. Bannerjee, the two unquestioned Bengali leaders were C. R. Das and Subhas Bose. Das learnt his tricks from Bannerjee, and Bose from Das. I am not interested in this Roy or that Sirkar, the fact that both Das and Bose were Presidents of Bengal Congress says something about their following and influence. Now, what is common between Das and Bose? They were both secular and non-communal to a fault . What else is common between them? The efforts of both at a communal reconciliation were undercut by the Congress central leadership. I am not implying a purely communal motive of INC (may be BM is right, what worked for Bengal may not have worked for India), but that the tallest two Bengali leaders, over a period of 30 years, tried hard to keep communalism at bay, only to be undercut by INC Central, says something totally against your manufactured story above (Sep. 24, 7:19 AM).
    As for your later post, no I don’t think a united Bengal within Pakistan or even as a separate unit would have worked. Most surely not after Aug. 16, 1947 and Noakhali killings ( BTW, in comparison to Noakhali, DAD was child’s play). But even without the ’46 riots, I think Hindu Bengal was much too nationalistic to become Pakistan or even just Bengal. Remember it was the Bengalis who created the illusion of Bharat Mata, Vande Mataram, the (future) national anthem, even Jai Hind was INA legacy. Bose coined a slogan “Chalo Dilli”, not “Chalo Dhaka” or “Chalo Lahore”. So yes Hindu Bengal would have wanted nothing to do with Pakistan. I think if forced it would have resulted in a civil war, as the Hindus threatened anyway in ’47, quite independent of the Congress leadership. But that does not mean Hindus wanted to get rid of Muslim Bengal all along, certainly not until Quit India. How else do you explain S. P. Mukherjee’s teaming up with Fazlul Haque, even after Haque’s coalition proposal was rejected by INC?
    As for Suhrawardy, he was a WB native (Midnapore) and had a lot of (perhaps benami) property at Calcutta. Sarat Bose was a disgruntled old man at loggerheads with the Congress Party. Kiran Shankar Roy was a Zamindar in East Bengal and my guess is he also wanted to protect his property by creating a united Bengal. However, none of them were taken seriously after DAD and Noakhali. The unquestioned Bengali leader at that time was S. P. Mukherjee.

  15. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    I hope my post above wasn’t too bitter. To sweeten it let me send you a “Sudh Sarang” by the dearest Dada Vikram Singh Khangura ( BM, Hayyer Sb., Kaal, Majumdar, Raj2, anyone in pure classical may want to take a listen. Vajra, also, listen to his classical-based Tagore songs (if you haven’t already), Babul Mora, and different ways of singing Ghalib. I only recently discovered him and you may fall in love yourself. It’s unbelievable he died in 2009 at the age of 36.

  16. Bade Miyan United States Mozilla Firefox Mac OS says:

    Thank you for the song. It’s okay and it’s sad that the young man died so young. I guess, taste in music is very subjective but I wish he hadn’t sung Babul Mora and Jamuna ke Teer. Saigal Saab rendition is the benchmark and Bhimsen Joshi has also sung it very well. As for Jamuna ke Teer, no one has come close to Ustad Abdul Karim Khan. I encourage you to listen to his version. I didn’t know that there was a Shantiniketan gharana. His music shows a big influence of Ustad Amir Khan, though in current times, he has influenced possibly everyone.
    I am not sure but this is my theory that Rabindra Sangeet and the vocal music in Bengal encourages (requires?) sweetness in rendition, which is great, but I prefer, to use a wine terminology, a voice that is aged and has a bit of rough edges. He was also not quite concert ready. Here is raag jogiya by Ustad Abdul Karim Khan. I am sure this will explain what I mean. It’s just perfect.

    My personal favorite is the doyen of Agra Gharana, Aftab-e-Mousiqui, Ustad Faiyaz Khan. It’s not possible to have anyone like him.

  17. Vajra India Safari iPad says:


    It has to be apparent that I am learning from these exchanges, even from those where you are at your tart and vinegary worst. The spoonful of sugar that followed was most welcome, though unexpected. Perhaps because unexpected.

    I still do not agree with you in spite of the strong arguments and solid evidence you have presented, but shall revert to the subject after pondering over my intended reply.

  18. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    B.M.: The house of RASOOLAN BAI, Eminent singer of Thumri/Dadra was burnt by RSS workers in Ahmedabad. After that horrible incident, Rasoolan Bai never sang ! The grave of Urdu’s First Sahib-e-Divan Poet (Shaayir)., was demolished ! Its now part of a Road. The grave of Zauq… becomes a Toilet in New Delhi. IT IS THIS behavior of RSS (Arya Samaj/RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal/ Congress/BJP.. sab ek hain.. when it comes to HURT Muslims.. and abuse Islam… they are all united in this endeavor of SADISM) that destroyed the beautiful Ganga-Jamuna Tehzeeb of India.

    Begum Akhtar died in Ahmedabad… Nobody helped at the Airport… Her dead body was placed on the Trolley (The one you use.. for your suitcase/baggage).. Congress was ruling in Gujarat.. and also at the Centre.. then (1974). THAT is the real face of the Congress.

    M.F. Husain’s home was ransacked @ Cuffe Parade, Mumbai. They tore paintings.. burnt them.. stole some.. also stole anything they found inside the home..(Mob violence.. Mob chori.. Hindus/RSS workers are trained in this CHORI/Lifting).. and Congress was ruling both in Maharashtra and in the Centre. Yet.. no action. Complete silence.. looking the other way round. And Nirupuma Rao, M.A. (Chinese), India’s Foreign Secy (Now Indian Ambassador to US) .. said..”Husain Sab is the Pride of India”… and you treated “The Pride” with such coldness…

    Ganga (75%) said : “I can do without Jamuna” (25%)… insulted Jamuna… ignored Jamuna… and ensured that Jamuna walked away… and once she did.. blamed Jamuna for the break-up.

  19. Pankaj India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Dromacharya You have written this
    Ganga (75%) said : “I can do without Jamuna” (25%)… insulted Jamuna… ignored Jamuna… and ensured that Jamuna walked away… and once she did.. blamed Jamuna for the break-up.
    Very poignant I must say
    Similarly in ALL your posts you remind Hindus that they are
    RESPONSIBLE for Partition
    This is totally FALSE
    If Muslims had NOT MADE irrational demands then
    there would have been NO partition

  20. Pankaj India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    The THIRTY percent MUSLIMS DEMANDED FIFTY percent Power
    Hence the Partition

  21. no-communal United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    You prefer a voice with a tingly feeling of nostalgia. :) How about this one, another VSK number (
    Shantiniketan Gharana is perhaps related to Rabindra Sangeet only. Vikram Singh’s father Mohan Singh Khangura is a renowned Rabindra Sangeet singer. Since he is also a music professor at Viswabharati, VSK lived in Shantiniketan himself. Until about a decade or two ago there was just one gayki allowed for Tagore songs and any recording had to be first approved by the Viswavarti Music Board before it could be marketed. That rule has recently fallen and today even something like this, , is considered Rabindra Sangeet and is actually very popular. That, I guess, is the source of the terminology “Shantiniketan Gharana”, the melodic structure specific to the authentic Viswavarti school. Do listen to the link above, it’s a Rabindra Sangeet sung by Ustad Rashid Khan, of whom I presume you know.
    Your theory about Tagore songs supposedly requiring a sweetness in rendition I have heard also from others. I myself do not entirely disagree, although folk music, or Baul songs, can be different, For Tagore songs, far more important is the song itself, that is, the lyrics, and it touches those who understand it at so many levels it’s difficult to explain. In this it is very similar to Urdu Ghazals, which also lose half or most of its appeal without the beautiful lyric. I actually fell in love with VSK’s songs by his rendering of Rabindra Sangeet. Among the new generation of singers he perhaps was the best there was. A song like this one, won’t mean much without the words (Suffer I can a lot more hurt / Play a tune more severe / On my heartstrings…), but those who can understand the lyric the combined effect of the poetry and the tune on them is magical.

  22. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    How Indians see Jinnah

    To most Indians, Mohammed Ali Jinnah was the architect of the bloody partition of the country on communal lines in 1947.

    Jinnah – a ‘minor conspiratorial figure’ to many Indians
    So when the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader LK Advani praised the founder of Pakistan as a “secular” leader during his recent trip to the country, it raised the hackles of his fellow Hindu nationalists and the ruling Congress party alike.
    A hardline Hindu leader even accused Mr Advani of treason for praising Mr Jinnah – “Mr Jinnah was a traitor, is a traitor and will remain a traitor and a person glorifying him is also a traitor,” screamed Praveen Togadia of the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP).
    India’s grand old party, the Congress, joined issue saying that the secularism of India’s freedom movement could not be compared with that of Mr Jinnah’s – “It is truly ironic and astounding that Mr Advani considers Mr Jinnah secular,” said party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi.
    Incensed by the row over his encomiums for Mr Jinnah, Mr Advani has now handed in an offer to resign as leader of his party.
    At the root of the antipathy towards Mr Jinnah, who is fondly called Quaid-e-Azam (Great Leader) in Pakistan, is a general reluctance among many Indians to come to terms with the founder of Pakistan and his country.
    It has been only a little over a year since the two nuclear-armed neighbours have embarked on a peace process after fighting three wars since Independence.
    ‘Minor figure’
    “The dominant Indian historical narrative is that Mr Jinnah was a minor conspiratorial figure who aligned with the British to bring about partition. We simply do not want to accept him as a significant historical figure,” says political philosopher Pratap Bhanu Mehta.
    In most popular Indian accounts of the freedom struggle, Mr Jinnah’s role is overshadowed by Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru.

    Jinnah is considered the architect of the partition of India
    Mr Jinnah is painted as an obstinate villain of the piece, while Mr Gandhi and Mr Nehru are praised as the true leaders.
    “Jinnah has either been ignored or, as in the case of the hugely successful film Gandhi, portrayed as a cold megalomaniac, bent on the bloody partition of India,” says historian Akbar Ahmed, writing in his book Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity.
    The truth is more complex – something many Indians still do not accept.
    After joining the Muslim League in 1913, Mr Jinnah, a natty westernised Muslim with Victorian manners, showed himself as a true liberal who believed in education, rationality, equality of law and democracy.
    For the first two decades of his political life, he was seen as a secular politician.
    From 1925, he moved away from the Congress after differences with Mahatma Gandhi over his strategies to gain freedom.
    Much later, in 1940, he announced the demand for a separate homeland for Muslims.
    Secular vision
    British historian Patrick French believes that Mr Jinnah “remained a secularist of sorts until his death, but also at times he was willing to use communal antagonism in a strategic way”.
    After the partition, Mr Jinnah envisaged a secular, liberal and democratic nation serving the needs of the Muslims, says Mr French.

    Mr Advani after laying a wreath at Jinnah’s mausoleum
    “His vision of Pakistan was that it would be a homeland from which Muslims could come and go at leisure. He never wanted it to become a theocratic state, and hoped that it would co-exist in harmony with India,” Mr French has said.
    But Mr Jinnah also confounded liberals after taking over as the ruler of newly independent Pakistan.
    He declared Urdu as the national language of Pakistan riding roughshod over the aspirations of the Bengali speaking people in the populous eastern part of the country (which itself separated in 1971 and became Bangladesh).
    He also backed the tribal invasion of Kashmir in 1947, which led to the first war over the region.
    “Jinnah was a liberal of the pre-Gandhian variety. He was a never a very democratic mass politician,” says analyst Mahesh Rangarajan.
    At the root of the popular Indian historical narrative of Mr Jinnah as the villain of partition is also the belief that the man and his party – Muslim League – were solely responsible for the division of the subcontinent.
    What is conveniently forgotten is the British policy of divide and rule and exploiting communal schisms. In addition, the last viceroy Lord Mountbatten has been accused of speeding up independence at the cost of unity.
    Many Indians also believe that intransigent Islam alone was responsible for the breaking up of India.
    What is again forgotten that most Muslim theologians did not support division.
    Muslim scholar Maulana Azad opposed partition and Maulana Hussain Ahmad Madani did not support Mr Jinnah’s ‘two-nation’ theory along religious lines.
    “The separatist movement was finally led by a westernised leader like Mr Jinnah. Thus politics, not religion was responsible for partition,” says Indian historian Asghar Ali Engineer.
    “It is true that Mr Jinnah spearheaded the movement and he articulated the aspirations of the Muslim elite, specially of the Muslim minority areas,” says Mr Engineer.

    Some commentators believe that Mr Advani’s endorsement of Mr Jinnah has more to do with his own political ambitions of becoming a truly acceptance pan-Indian leader and an obsession to leave behind a legacy.
    In a way, the 77-year-old leader was trying to do what former prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee has done rather successfully in the past – appealing to the non-Hindu nationalist constituency.
    “But it is going to be more difficult for Mr Advani. He can’t simply walk away from his past,” says Mahesh Rangarajan.
    Mr Rangarajan is referring to communal riots in India after Mr Advani’s rathyatra (motorised chariot) journey in the early 1990′s to whip up support for a temple at Ayodhya that culminated in the destruction of the Babri mosque there

  23. Iqbal Latif United Kingdom Google Chrome Windows says:

    Dogs, Whiskey, champagne and Dina! The Real Quaid we hide behind a Sherwani.

    M.A. Jinnah a Scotch-drinking, pork-eating, who dabbled with champagne was a secular lawyer. His picture with a glass of Champagne with Agha Hilaly adorns Hillaly house in Karachi. When Zafar Hilaly was Ambassador in Yemen and Ziaul Haq visited Yemen he demanded that picture from the ambassadors office be removed. He chastised Zafar for displaying that picture of M.A. Jinnah.

    Jinnah’s address to first session of the first constitutional assembly of Pakistan on 11 August, 1947: “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.” And separation of religion and state is called secularism. Ulema oppose Pakistan and gave fatwas against the leadership of Muslim league.

    On 14 August 1947 one-fifth of humankind claimed their independence from the greatest empire history has ever seen. But 400 million people were to find that the immediate price of freedom was partition and war, riot and murder. Muslim got their freedom under the leadership of a secular man, the grandfather, of M.A. Jinnah was Poonja Gokuldas Meghji, who was a Hindu Bhatia Rajput from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah’s ancestors were Hindu Rajputs; his grandfather had converted to Ismaili religion . Jinnah’s family belonged to the Ismaili Khoja branch. Jinnah belonged to this minority sect; you know what majority sect today think about this minority sect. They want to eliminate them.

    Jinnah’s personal habits were not Islamic and for that he was viciously attacked by Jamaat Islami, Jamiat ulema Hind and Majlis Ahrar. One hardly would find a single evidence that Jinnah, ever visited any mosque to pay his prayer. He never visited Makkah or Madina, as other Muslim Leaders, like Abul Kalam Azad, Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar etc. He never quoted any verse from Quran or Hadees. He only talked of constitutional rights of Muslims. Syed Hashim Reza would fondly recall a story that on first Eid soon after the new nation was born, Quaid was ill at ease for the Eid prayers, Hashim Reza who was his assistant asked him to follow the Imam actions; he also prodded Mulaana Thanvi to cut his Kohtba short as Maulana Thanvi went into a overdrive of a long khotba, Quaid had asked Hashim Reza ‘ when is this going to stop? ‘ If he wanted to impose religious laws, then why did he appoint a Hindu as the country’s first law minister? Why did he appoint a qadyani as Foreign minister?

    Below is Jinnah with his daughter Dina and their Dogs, a white, long-haired dog, a West Highland terrier, sitting next to the Westie is a big, black Doberman, wearing a studded leather collar, his ears pricked warily.

    Dina got married to a Parsi born Indian Neville Wadia against the wishes of her father. He was tough on her as he wanted her to get married to a Muslim not anyone else.

    Mahommedali Currim Chagla, who was Jinnah’s assistant at the time, recalls:

    “Jinnah, in his usual imperious manner, told her that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. Reminding her father that his wife (Dina’s mother Rattanbai), had also been a non-Muslim, the young lady replied: ‘Father, there were millions of Muslim girls in India. Why did you not marry one of them?’ And he replied that, ‘she became a Muslim’”.

    To know more about him, please read a must book : Freedom at Midnight is a thrilling story of India’s struggle for independence by two fine journalists who conducted hundreds of interviews with nearly all the surviving participants — from Mountbatten to the assassins of Mahatma Gandhi. Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre recount the eclipse of the fabled British Raj and examine the roles enacted by, among others, Mahatma Gandhi and Lord Mountbatten in its violent transformation into the new India and Pakistan. This is the India of Jawaharlal Nehru, heart-broken by the tragedy of the country’s division; of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, a Moslem who drank, ate pork and rarely entered a mosque, yet led 45 million Moslems to nationhood; of Gandhi, who stirred a subcontinent without raising his voice; of the last viceroy, Mountbatten, beseeched by the leaders of an independent India to take back the powers he’d just passed to them.

  24. Vish United Kingdom Google Chrome Windows says:

    A very informative comment from today’s Dawn,
    “Jinnah’s misfortune was that he thought he will be able to create a secular country whose very foundation defied every logic of secularism (two nation theory).
    One statement (Aug 11, 1947) in a house of landlords and opportunist can not make a movement secular. I will like to ask you why entire leadership of Muslim League was unaware about the modern secular vision of Jinnah, why Objective Resolution was passed with overwhelming majority in the house immediately after death of Jinnah. I will hold Jinnah responsible for running a confused Pakistan movement wherein his followers had no clue about his own vision about polity of Pakistan.
    This is a myth that had Jinnah lived longer Pakistan would have been different. Lets take a look at the brief tenure of Jinnah as “Governor General of Pakistan”
    Jinnah lived for only one year after the birth of the nation, but in that time he set the standard of a top-down administration, adopting
    the style of Moghul emperors, not democratic leaders. To begin with, Jinnah decided not to become the country’s first prime minister, instead choosing to be the Queen’s representative to the new country as her first governor general. By any parliamentary standards or tradition, the post of governor general is largely ceremonial. It has the all the pomp and ceremony, but little true executive power. However, in the words of British Lord Louis Mountbatten, who oversaw the independence of India and Pakistan, Jinnah was incapable of resisting “pomp, the gaudy ceremonials of the top office of the state for which he had worked so hard.”
    When Mountbatten tried to explain to Jinnah that, under Pakistan’s interim constitution, the governor general was a ceremonial head of state and real power lay with the prime minister, Jinnah told him curtly, “In Pakistan, I will be the Governor-General and the Prime
    Minister will do what I tell him.” And that is how history would record his one year in office. Jinnah revoked the authority of the
    Muslim League parliamentary group and chose the country’s new prime minister. He also named his prime minister’s first cabinet for him, and if that was not enough, as governor general also sat in cabinet. There is no question that Jinnah was an extremely popular leader, and his very word was the law. However, as is the case with all popular benevolent dictators, instead of leaving behind institutions of democracy, he left a trail of authoritarian precedents that are invoked and implemented to the nation’s detriment even today.
    In the summer of 1947, one week after swearing in his new prime minister and cabinet, and as Pakistanis were celebrating their first
    Eid-ul-Fitr holiday after Ramadan, Jinnah broke another sacred principle of democracy. He dismissed the duly elected provincial
    government in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP), which borders Afghanistan. Dr. Khan Sahib, the chief minister of the province, had a comfortable majority. Jinnah installed his own party as the government, but when it failed to get a vote of confidence, he arranged to have all the dismissed members arrested, creating an artificial majority.
    Nine months after dismissing the NWFP government, Jinnah demonstrated his arbitrary power again. This time he dismissed the government in the province of Sind, which belonged to his own party, the Muslim League. And as if this were not enough, the ailing leader of Pakistan then tried to stage a palace coup inside the provincial government of Punjab. In less than a year of the nation’s existence, the man who had created Pakistan as a democratic state for the Muslims of India had gone against the grain of democracy, invoked Islam to bring discipline among those who protested, and mere weeks before he passed away,
    declared to the country’s majority Bengali population that their language was not worthy of being the nation’s national language as it
    was not a “Muslim” language. Before he died, he had sown the seeds of the country’s breakup. The so-called language riots that broke out after Jinnah’s “Urdu Only” speech were the first step towards the ultimate secession of East Pakistan and the birth of Bangladesh.
    After Jinnah’s death in 1948, the top-down authoritarian model grew in strength. If the Father of the Nation had set the precedent of
    arbitrary rule, who would dare stand in the way? The first test of democracy came in May 1949, during a by-election in the constituency of Tangail in then East Pakistan. To the shock of the ruling Muslim League, the party lost the election to the nascent opposition. Stung by the loss and taking it as a personal insult, Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan declared the result null and void and the newly elected member of the constituent assembly was jailed along with numerous other opposition activists. One of those arrested, prominent communist leader Moni Singh, was to spend a total of twenty-two years either in jail or underground. He walked in freedom again only after Pakistan broke up in 1971.
    After Jinnah’s death, the Islamists swooped in for the kill. Those who had opposed the creation of the country now became its guardians. With Islamists flexing their muscles on one side and a constitutional crisis looming, the new governor general, Ghulam Mohammad, upped the ante and outdid Jinnah. In 1952 he fired the prime minister, dismissed the cabinet, and started ruling by decree. By 1954, the country was lurching from one crisis to another, with the ruling party suffering massive defeats across the country in provincial elections. As the country was celebrating the founder’s birthday on Christmas Day, 1954, the governor general dissolved the Constituent Assembly. If Governor General Jinnah could dissolve provincial legislatures, surely, his successor argued, he could dissolve the federal legislature.”

  25. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ YLH
    VISION OF JINNAH–which is Islamic, Muslim rule, as a sovereign independent State.
    ”What more can one really expects than to see that this mighty land has now been brought under a rule, which is Islamic, Muslim rule, as a sovereign independent State. Now, we have much more difficult task ahead–how to reconstruct, how to build it up and how to revolutionize and re-model the past legacies from which we are suffering, namely, the mentality, the character and the evil customs of which we have been the victims for a century or more as slave people.”
    Reply to the Address of Welcome Presented by the Principal, Staff and Students of the Edwards College, Peshawar on l8th April, 1948

    ”We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind.”

    ”As you have observed, Mr. Governor, in undivided India banking was kept a close preserve of non-Muslims; and their migration from Western Pakistan has caused a good deal of dislocation in the economic life of our young State. In order that the wheels of commerce and industry should run smoothly, it is imperative that the vacuum caused by the exodus of non-Muslims should be filled without delay. ”

    Speech on the occasion of the opening of the State Bank of Pakistan on 1st July, 1948
    ”I reiterate that you, like any other minorities, will be treated as equal citizens with all your rights and obligations so long as you are loyal to Pakistan. I am glad and it is very refreshing that you have not gone on with the same old rut and the hackneyed phrases which are echoed in various quarters about the grievances and requests of minorities, but I must tell you that these assurances have been given and they are going to be implemented. Minority communities must not by mere words but by actions show this that they are truly loyal and they must make majority community feel that they are true citizens of Pakistan. Then you will help me and you will facilitate my task in carrying out the policy which we have laid down. You know you must dispel suspicion and distrust. It is now up to minorities to show by actions and deeds that they are true Pakistanis and dispel suspicion and distrust that has been created by deplorable and disgraceful events that have taken place.”
    Reply to the Address presented by a Deputation of the members of the Quetta Parsi Community on 13th June, 1948

    Your Royal Highness has rightly referred to the natural bonds of friendship and affection, which bind the people of our two countries. It could hardly be otherwise as these bonds are based on ties of faith and culture and common ideals. With such powerful bonds already in our favor we cannot, I feel, fail to bring the people of our two countries closer towards each other closer than they were before the birth of Pakistan.

    Reply to the Speech made by His Excellency the Ambassador of Afghanistan at the time of presenting Credentials on 8th May, 1948

  26. a,k.b Pakistan Opera Windows says:


    Jinnah warns minorities….lays condition of allegiance and loyalty to Pakistan and the majority!!
    ”Minority communities must not by mere words but by actions show this that they are truly loyal and they must make majority community feel that they are true citizens of Pakistan. ”

    ”I reiterate that you, like any other minorities, will be treated as equal citizens with all your rights and obligations so long as you are loyal to Pakistan. I am glad and it is very refreshing that you have not gone on with the same old rut and the hackneyed phrases which are echoed in various quarters about the grievances and requests of minorities, but I must tell you that these assurances have been given and they are going to be implemented. Minority communities must not by mere words but by actions show this that they are truly loyal and they must make majority community feel that they are true citizens of Pakistan. Then you will help me and you will facilitate my task in carrying out the policy which we have laid down. You know you must dispel suspicion and distrust. It is now up to minorities to show by actions and deeds that they are true Pakistanis and dispel suspicion and distrust that has been created by deplorable and disgraceful events that have taken place.”
    Reply to the Address presented by a Deputation of the members of the Quetta Parsi Community on 13th June, 1948

  27. Ronuq Shah Canada Google Chrome Windows says:

    Facts are facts india and Pakistan separated in 1947
    Both are in a failure state.India and Pakistan are ruled by corrupt politicians that is even way back in 1947 Nehru Ganduji and Jinnah were all hired British Agents and puppets.
    REAL Indian freedom fighters were Netaji ,Bhagat Singh,Ashfaqullah who were killed with Gora tactics and result was the mass violence in 1947 3 -4 Million people got killed and still Indopak are not stable.
    Unity is the only solution and salvation for both Nuclear Powers with hungry common men on the streets.

  28. heavy_petting United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Although casually made Ronuq Shah makes an important point. After 1935 the Congress Party, once the parliament for ALL Indians against oppression, turned into a club of power-seeking self-serving oligarchs. The concept of sacrifice for the broader cause of nation, as demonstrated in the lives of Netaji, Bhagat singh, Ashfaquallh, was forgotten on these self-serving men. The consequence has not been good for the subcontinent.

  29. Regumrex United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    I used to know YLH during chowk days. I know him to be a “Jinnah lover” much to the detriment of Gandhi who he considers as a “racist” (i think he wrote an article in a Pak newspaper to that effect). Facts however prove that Jinnah was neither secular nor “incorruptible” as YLH terms it.
    1. Jinnah came back from England to lead the Muslim league but lost heavily in the 1937 elections to congress, losing even in muslim-majority states like NWFP, Punjab,Sindh. At this point, he changed narrative and (as M.J. Akbar argues in his book “Tinderbox: the past and future of Pakistan”)started talking about Islam being in danger rather than just minority muslims.
    2. The moment Jinnah brought in religion into politics, he ceased to be secular. With “Direct Action day” in Bengal where Suhrawardy had Jinnah’s blessings, he also ceased to be a champion of hindu-muslim unity.
    3. Was he incorruptible? By modern standards of public discourse and political climate, perhaps. But in reality, he already compromised on his secular credentials by calling for an Islamic state instead of a state for minorities and also empowered himself as the Governor General of Pakistan. This proves him to be power hungry. He certainly did not want Pakistan to be a “democracy”. Did he want it to be a theocracy. Barring his 11th August speech, none of his other speeches talks of giving equal rights to its citizens.
    Today’s Pakistan bears witness to his incosistencies. Pakistanis are still not clear whether their nation should be Islamic or secular. Not clear if democracy is good or perhaps some kind of “benign dictatorship”. Jinnah himself did not make it very clear. He did not leave any clear direction as to what Pakistan should be. Rather, he spoke in ambiguous terms, suiting the occasion.
    In today’s Pakistan, minorities are not safe. Even muslim minorities like Ahmediyas and now increasinglgy Shias, are not safe leave aside the hindus and christians. In retrospect, one may conclude that Jinnah’s vision was full of loopholes, inconsistencies. Jinnah failed to realize that an Islamic state would be inherently non-secular and religious zealots will have a role in state politics that wold make it an increasingly “theocratic state” as Paksitan is today.

  30. kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Regu, sad that you are casting aspersions on the character of the Great Shaheed Suhrawardy who was the original champion of Hindu-Muslim brotherhood and who worked closely with the other Great Shaheed Sharat Chandra Bose to found the secular democratic Bangistan. But for Gandhi, Nehru we would have avoided partition (and wasn’t that the only goal ultimately that mattered?) and lived happily under the true leadership of true great men like Shaheed Suhrawardy, Shaheed Sarat Bose, Shaheed Mohammad Ali Jinnah, and Bhagat Singh (not quite clear how the last name got included, but it seems to add some punch to the argument).

  31. peace United Kingdom Internet Explorer Windows says:

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    “to found the secular democratic Bangistan….and lived happily under the true leadership of true great men like Shaheed Suhrawardy, Shaheed Mohammad Ali Jinnah…”

    kaal, hindus then and now, do not have a death wish. Also they are not cretins to dream like you do. Jeez- which madarssa did kaal go to ??

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    Frankly, I do not care what bigoted, Modi-admiring, Hitler worshiping Nazis like you think. So long as we have a sufficient number of good Hindus like Shaheed Sarat Chandra Bose and family who are wise enough to join with us to support Bangistan our goals of constructing a truly just and secular society will be met.

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