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Freedom of speech

By Ms Kiran Rizvi

There has been a mention or two of the alleged ‘freedom of speech’ in USA, primarily in regard to the anti-Islam movie that attracted undue attention all over the world. While everything is to be taken in context, I felt that the subject needed some clarification after I read a piece on Viewpoint from an expatriate Pakistani professor residing in US. While I can understand that it is hard to comprehend this concept for people in Pakistan because the culture in the subcontinent is restrictive in nature, I certainly did not expect such odd sentiments from a person living in the US.

Freedom of speech is at the center of personal freedoms in the constitution of USA. While it is true that there are many intangible ways to restrict this freedom, by and large people are free to say whatever they feel like provided their words do not result in tangible loss of life or property, for example one cannot legally lie to sell a product etc. Even though uttering offensive words in public sphere can be devastating in many ways, there are no laws that would imprison, fine or punish the perpetrator at state penitentiaries. The debate, therefore, is what is/should be considered ‘offensive’.

Obviously there are some categories that everyone agrees on, when it comes to offensive language. This includes racist, sexist, slanderous and hateful language towards an individual or a group of people. So the question is what do people in US do if a person is found to have used offensive language in public? They can be fired from public or private posts, they can be stripped of their honors, their name can be smitten from the honorary rosters or in the absence of such distinctions, his business could be boycotted etc. There are many organizations that look after the interest of certain groups when it comes to monitoring the offensive language in public. Anti Defamation League comes to mind when we talk about monitoring and protesting anti-Semitism expressed around the world. Such organization use their political and economical power to make sure nothing that is redolent of anti-Jewish sentiments is forgiven in public media. Their contention is that “All it takes is one lie to reignite anti-Semitism”, ironically this heading is displayed on their website in relation to the ‘lie’ that Jews were behind the infamous anti-Islam movie.

People in USA react to hateful and offensive speech in many ways. It can either be used to evoke public disdain, thereby discrediting the perpetrator as a decent member of the society forcing him/her to retract his words or apologize. An example would be when Rush Limbaugh, a famous radio host used indecent remarks for a woman who spoke in favor of women’s health and abortion rights. Mr. Limbaugh had to apologize or face boycott from his sponsors and listeners. Another example was when a church decided to show up with anti-homosexual slogans at the funeral of a homosexual soldier, public disdain was used to characterize the church as an outlier and disgrace to civil society. Sometimes ignoring the events and not giving them enough coverage works too, for example when anti-zionist Jews in Bronx burn the Israeli flag to protest against policies of Israel, no coverage is given to those events, granted their protest is against government policies of Israel and not anti-Semitic in nature. However when a non-Jewish Texas politician, Larry Taylor, uses ‘jew’ as a verb to chide insurance companies, he ends up writing an apology letter to ADL and lose his public post.

Another extreme example of anti-religious expression in USA, in recent history, is ‘PissChrist’. While some Christians took the 1987 photograph of a plastic statue of Christ in artist’s own urine, as a symbol of what Christ’s message has been reduced to in modern times, others have taken it as a sign of disrespect and are outraged on its display in public and private galleries. This was especially disturbing because part of the funding to the artist Andres Serrano was allegedly tax payers’ dollars. There have been ‘death threats’ to the artist, gallery owners and others involved in this controversy but no state punishments have been meted  out to any of the parties involved in the name of ‘freedom of speech’. This whole incident, however, is mainly ignored by the media in recent years to the outrage of devout Christians who see more coverage on the anti-Islam movie than the PissChrist incident.

With freedom comes responsibilities, and yes, in USA you have the freedom to hate, but this hate is not free, it comes at a great economic or personal cost. The cost of freedom of speech depends on who exercised it against whom and in what capacity to gain what interest. The sentiment in Pakistan is that all religious defamation should be outlawed internationally so the sensitivities of devout followers of the religions are not perturbed in any way. However the problem is what is considered offensive to the followers of a religion. To some, a movie that has no resemblance to the story of Islam which uses a few names of the characters from Islamic history cannot be logically accepted as an insult to the religion; whereas not using the honorific ‘PBUH’ in front of Muhammad PBUH, may be seen as offensive to others. There is no point in passing unenforceable laws, and everyone already condemns the attack on any religion or race officially, so what can be done if a group feels unjustly targeted for slanders? There are many ways to combat such spewing of hatred and misinformation other than legislating against the act. Recently when NY subway authority, unable to oppose the petition made under ‘freedom of speech’, had to grudgingly put up anti-Islamic posters in the subway stations sponsored by a pro-Israel organization, another Jewish organization sought to combat this hateful act by putting up pro-Islamic posters instead. This is how US combats bigotry, it may not always be right or succeed in doing what it professes, but that is how it approaches the negative impacts of freedom of speech.

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175 Responses to "Freedom of speech"

  1. KR United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    @Kashif: you make a good point, but some faiths, by definition, are correct only when all other faiths are declared as incorrect. To negate or deny the possibility of existence of any other god, is the ultimate insult (calling other false misguided/liars/fraud etc.) Some other folks on this forum are saying Muslims demand respect of their religion and should equally respect other religions, yet Muhammad PBUH actually destroyed the gods of Quraish even though he did not forcibly convert anyone, he could have asked people to come up and clean the house of Allah from the presence of their gods, but he actually destroyed them…so ‘insulting’ gods is very subjective…the society is free to decide what is distastefully insulting vs. fierce criticism etc. but to legislate against it is unenforceable due to the complications involved.

  2. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    Interesting overview! But please do not underestimate the democratic party which is controlled by the zionists. General Petros, leaves with medals on whose watch the BenGazi Diplomat is cut down and the Iranians intercept the American spy plane. Who is going to explain these failures to the Congress in coming days? General petros as a civilian?Nathan the Yahood is the king at home and has more power in the American congress than the American President.

    The basic physics at work, we are moving from the past order to the future disorder. American capitalism of free economy system fails while the Chinese planned economy makes a headway to take millions out of poverty line in China.

    Interesting times are ahead and God alone is all knowing.

    Rex Minor

  3. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    Some of the DIY muslims from the Indian sub-continent including a la Rashdis and Rizvis openly support and identify themselves with the American so called freedom of speach. They are not even shy of critique on the person of the Prophet of God(pbuh) who lived under the guidence and the protection of the creator.

    This is EVIL!

    KR,

    Muslims do not want respect for their religion from infidels but simple recognition and reject any disrespect or denegration of their Prophet and Quraan either from you or any other soul.

    Rex Minor

  4. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Rexie, if they dont want respect for the prophet and reject the disrespect from infidels, why did they get their panties in a twist when the copt from america made a movie? Muslims are very insecure about the truth of Islam. that’s why they want protection of laws against insult. Its just like tigers or whales needing the protection of laws to survive.
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    I love you rexie

  5. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    And poor little AKB will never come here again.

  6. Kashif United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @AKB (November 12, 2012 at 12:03 am)
    //…You intentionally avoided to mention the name of Murja Ghulla of Qadian in the list of holy men…//
    Were you by any chance, trying to type “Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian”? If that is the case, I must inform you that you do tend to make repititive typographical errors in typing this particular name in your scholarly comments. To err is human, to err tactfully is feline, to err clumsily is bovine, to err repititively is canine, but to err repititively and deliberately is porcine. A good veterinarian might come in handy, not to mention a capable psychiatrist. Nevertheless, to the extent of your not agreeing with what Ahmadi Muslims claim, I wholeheartedly respect your difference of opinion and your right to hold it.
    You perhaps failed to notice that I did not mention all the 124,000 prophets and and even greater number of saints, all of whom were holy men. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian is by no means the only holy person I did not mention by name. You also perhaps missed to note that I mentioned only the “founders” of religions. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was not the founder of any religion. He was a Muslim, a follower, disciple and servant of Hazrat Muhammad [saw] who was the founder of a religion, namely “Islam”. The “Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam” is, as the name suggests, a movement in Islam – within Islam.
    @KR (November 12, 2012 at 2:02 am)
    //…some faiths, by definition, are correct only when all other faiths are declared as incorrect…//
    I think all religions agree with each other on some points and disagree too on some. The test of our decency lies in our ability to respect the opinions of others when they disagree with us.

  7. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    The only true religion is Islam – rest are all kuffar. Why should a Muslim agree and respect kuffar. Kuffar need to be converted by dawah.

  8. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Kashif,

    Well said. I was also hoping that you or AKB will remind the lady from India that only an hipocrat will send greetings to the Prophet of Islam in prayers and later criticise his actions in the blog.

    Rex Minor

  9. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ Kashif

    It is damn evil and porcine not to admit that Mirja Ghulla (in Punjabi your faux frofet is so called)was the founder of a new religion or a cult of deviates from Sunni muslims and condemned forever by ALL sects and subsects of Muslims alike the world over. You should be ashamed of lacking mental and cognitive capability even of a child in feigning not to have understood who Murja Ghulla was?? I simply hate to write his full name,,,,,that traitor of India, Muslims, Hindus and Christians and a slave of his colonial British lords.

    You don;t have to mention all the names of the thousands of prophets on your list, Just mention the ‘hymen” or the ‘ cunt seal” you worship as your frofet….Be bold like the Great Guru Nanak to acknowledge that Mirja Ghulla of Qadian was the founder of a new cult
    and call it by some other name not related to Muslims…if you continue to do that you will be charged for blasphemy and end up in jail.
    You’re cowards not attending my several repeated demand that you quuote from the writings of your false frofet so that followers of all religions on this thread or forum can comprehend and evaluate those.
    ..

    Your brother in cult Syed the bastard earlier remarked that only the followers of the Evil of Qadian were Muslims and rest were non muslims.

    Good, he has provided a solid reason for charging him and his accomplices with heresy under the blasphemy law in Pakistan or else where such as Saudia or the Middle East ground for guillotining him.
    you the mirjai’s are a disgrace to humanity, you disgraced all the three major religions of the world and are obstreperously adamant on being better than them. You nulius filius bunch of diabolic molvis worse than the Wahabi’s!! Death for you!!
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  10. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @maggu

    I doubt if you are a woman. You have not yet posted the link to your picture yet nor yet consented to putting up a vidcam to see the ‘marvels”!!

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    Like you want respect for your parents so do Muslims demand respect to their Holy Prophet whom they revere more than their parents. Nothing there to hide ‘truth’ …..get out of your absurd ideas and logic

  11. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    Ay meri maggu ay meri maggi
    Mehfil na sajay gee
    bin tere thuggu

    Bahut pachtaao gi maggu mujhe
    mehfil se nikaal kar
    Mere baghair koi na puchay ga tujh ko
    Aur tu diwanoan kee tarah jangal jangal
    pukartee phiray gikahan he mera
    AKB AKB AKB!!
    aur mein tere skirt ke neechay chupa hoonga!!

  12. gautam United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    aur mein tere skirt ke neechay chupa hoonga

    akb we see this blog with aour family.this shows how cheap and stupid u are.

  13. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ gautam

    Why do you turn a blind eye to idiots like maggu and some others here??
    Why can’t you see frivolity in their posts?? Maggu started it all. Can;t you see how abusive and baysharm she/he is???
    Evil has to be fought with evil….that’s the rule, set by super powers and the followers of mirja gulla of Qadian who call Muslims other than them as Kafirs, Why doesn’t this make you ashamed>?? As a Hindu you too are deemed Kafirs by the mirja ghulla mullah cult, Better keep your family away from all this or be a Liberal or Secular as many here crave for. I am just exercising my right of Free Expression in the same tone as Maggu. Is she your sister>>>?? What if SHE turns out to be a MAN like the Indian athlete who had won the gold medal but now booked for raping a gal??? Sharm karo …o Industani doghlo!!

  14. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    A PERSON IS KNOWN BY WHAT HE EATS.
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    WHY THE INDIANS SHOULD BE THOUGHT NORMAL AFTER EATING THIS ROT!! DISHONEST INDICS!!
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    80 per cent of food stuff adulterated in Uttarakhand

    November 13, 2012

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    By: Jagdish Bhatt

    Dehra Dun: In Uttarakhand where there seems to be zero governance, every one is having a ball at the cost of the aam aadmi. From the highest echelons of power to the lowest, the focus seems to be on how to make a quick buck, without an iota of thought to improving the lot of the people. And even the traders are having a field day as almost all the edibles are adulterated and it does not seem to bother the concerned authorities.

    An NGO, Society of Pollution and Environmental Conservation Scientists took 255 samples of edibles from various shops in Dhamawala, Hathi Barkla, Dharampur, Hanuman Chowk, Ajabpur, Karanpur, Krishna Nagar, Panditwari, Doon Vihar, Premnagar, Rajpur, Raipur and D L Road localities of the city. And of these as many as 205, that is 80 per cent were found to be adulterated. Obviously with concerned authorities not taking samples, the traders are making the most of it.

    It may be sound ridiculous, out of Ripley’s Believe it or Not, but 100 per cent of the mustard oil samples were found adulterated with argemone oil, mobil oil and metanil yellow. And likewise 100 per cent of the roli samples were also found adulterated with lead arsenic and chromate. Imagine cooking food in mobil oil, but that is where things have gone to in Uttarakhand also called Land of the Gods (sic).

    Of the honey samples that were taken as many as 90 per cent were adulterated, thankfully only with honey and not something that kills or is carcinogenic. Even 90 per cent of the turmeric (that is used by all households for cooking) samples that were taken were found to be adulterated with metanil yellow, lead chromate and rice flour.

    The milk that people drink in this small mountain state is 84 per cent chemical milk as the samples were found to be adulterated with soda, dry milk powder, refined oil, urea and formline, whereas 80 per cent of the ‘mawa’ was adulterated with dry milk, refined oil and Dalda. Even 80 per cent of the ‘burfi’, milk cake and ‘gulab jaumn’ was adulterated with refined oil, wheat flour and dry milk.

    Even 80 per cent of the red chilly samples that had been taken were found to be adulterated with geru, rhodamin-B, Sudan-III and old and low grade chilly, while 80 per cent of the pure ghee samples was nothing but Dalda and essence, while 80 per cent of the ‘ladoo’ and ‘sonpapdi’ samples contained metanil yellow and 70 (thankfully) per cent of the ‘paneer’ samples was adulterated dry milk and refined oil.

    Hold your breath, 70 per cent of the ‘dhania’ (coriander) samples had been adulterated with of all the things, saw dust. Incidentally, the NGO had also undertaken a survey of the dhabas along the route to Badrinath, Kedarnath, Yamunotri and Gangotri and the samples indicated that the food at these places was highly adulterated, enough to make one fall sick.

  15. Mullus India Safari iPad says:

    “Like you want respect for your parents so do Muslims demand respect to their Holy Prophet whom they revere more than their parents. Nothing there to hide ‘truth’ …..get out of your absurd ideas and logic”
    .
    You can respect your prophets all you want. For the rest of us, any prophet has to earn his or her respect. And the way you are insulting and making libelous comments about the Most Respected and Revered Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of the Quadiani Islamic faith shows how deserving of respect you are.
    .
    In the last two days you have made disgraceful comments about women, other faiths including Quadiani and Hindu and for me personally. I am sure Pakistan hangs its head in shame to have citizens like you.
    .
    Cut and paste any insulting or obscene comment I have made here.

  16. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB wrote:

    Ay meri maggu ay meri maggi
    Mehfil na sajay gee
    bin tere thuggu

    AKB,
    .
    you have finally reached the old age where your koobarh is so big, you don’t need your hands anymore to do your daily wanking! Congratulations on your reaching such a ripe age!

  17. gautam United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    AKB says:
    November 14, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    @ gautam

    islam do not allow their followers to dance naked in public,she is bloody english speaking bitch.moreover she is pathan,a race without brain in the head.but competing in vulgarity in public is pure bullshit.like rex just ignore her.she wil die or correct herself.ithink some body else is writing using her name.i hope u will not write vulgar stuff again.

  18. Maggie India Safari iPad says:

    “she is bloody english speaking bitch”
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    So I am a bitch because I speak English and am probably way more educated than your last three generations combined?
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    I now understand why there is so much public support for the shooting of that kid Malala in Pakistan. You folks should just cage your women and use them just to breed.
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    Your hate list keeps growing AKB. Hindus, Ahmedis, Wahabis, Shias, now Pathans….. You someone with such a puny little heart you can contain quite a lot of hatred

  19. Mohan United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Tajender has started using ID of Gautam.

  20. gautam United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Your hate list keeps growing AKB. Hindus, Ahmedis, Wahabis, Shias, now Pathans….. You someone with such a puny little heart you can contain quite a lot of hatred…..bullshit

    madam use better language to express ur self.this is how u loose respect and spoil the name of india.defeat opponent with argument not abuse.malala is not indian,she is not our problem.26000 malals are burnt alive in and around delhi,what u do about them.anger comes on weak.but taliban keep america and pakistan on their foot.pathans are brave people they dont kill women like women.they are not benefiary of this act,why they will do.train bogey at godhra was burnt to provide reason fro ahmadabad riot.same game.
    bush killed 2.2 milion iraqi children by putting sanction on infant medicine.while u worship him.u are brainwashed.keep urslf within limits.akb is reacting in bad way.

  21. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    mohan diwalee mein teen patte(juaan) khelte hain.mail ka dna test nahin karte hain.wish u good hawala rate during diwalee.HAPPY DIWALEE TO ALL OUR FRIENDS ON BLOG.

  22. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Hey Fellows,
    The fall of America is more interesting than its credo of Freedom of Speech in the Apache land. The blackman had nothing but nothing to add to what Clintonians and neo conservatives under George W had laid out for the land. Rome fell when non romans were the heads of the Roman Empire. One by one the imposters of Iraq and Afghanistan combat are being given the grace to resign or be investigated for disgrace and dismissal.

    Why waste time with the marines who were urinating on camera on account of Angst, start from the top with their Generals who dare not be seen during the day time on the battle front which subsequently was the pattern of the marine operations. Gen Petros and Gen Allen were more interested to be seen on camera with their metalled chests rather than following the style of Field Marshal Rommel, who ended taking the pill to save family honour, whereas Petros resigned after disgracig the family. The frech cleaning of the Pentagon; freedom of speech suspeded for National security rasons.

    Rex Minor

  23. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    PS
    When an America General can be demoted at or after retirement, why not use the same medicine for both active and retired Pakistan Generals?

  24. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Let AKB speak his mind; there are no holy cows nor many exceptions when he speaks out. Love and hate are the two sides of the same coin, in my opinion he does not hate any one per say, but I can certify that he is no friend of evil nor shows much tolerence for those who in his view are the enemies of Islam.

    Rex Minor

  25. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    I dont understand this? Gautam or whoever you are under a cowardly disguise, when a man calls a woman a bitch, its ok. When I say something in absolutely parliamentary language and point out the murderous hate speech I am supposed to mind my language? Why ?
    .
    Are you a gang? Or members of ummah can get away with anything? You can abuse others gods and prophets and idols… but want others to make laws to give you protection? I am glad I quit the cult.
    .
    You folks are getting better than you deserve!

  26. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Rex/maggu

    .

    thank you Rex for you kind words, true i cannot tolerate any nonsense against Islam or even against any pure religion such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity, etc but I hate the faithless
    people who are so timid to confess their own cult extruded from
    novel ideas flicked from other Pure Religions!! The biggest case in hand is the Mirzai fraud….then the atheists like maggu and then the damn so called liberals and seculars…who want something without acting upon it.

    .
    As for maggu,,,pls don’t worry she is a woman..as she says though I have doubts about her gender. She often carps like an Amazon,,,but wonder she has the base as strong as them??

    /
    I think she is fallin’ in love with me and me too seems to feel sympathy for her…afterall he or she IT is very lonely and needs a company!!Her vulgarity doesn’t offend me as I know she cannot change….unless in bed!

  27. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    akb take her e-mail and use any language u want.but on the blog behave like good muslim.same request to maggu bi as well.

  28. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ tajender

    as soon as she forwards me her email or stops passing equally obnoxious remarks …..she must behave if she wants others to follow suit.
    She ( i am still not sure whether some stud is hiding behind that ID??)
    too needs to learn manners without spoiling mine! It’s she who is being provocative and bad,,,and in return I have no choice but to pay her in her own coin.

    I hope she gets the message now,,,as I have got yours,,and behaves.

    .
    Meantime enjoy reading this piece!
    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/a-christian-brainwashes-two-year-olds/

  29. Syed United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Kashif :

    AKB has started frothing from his mouth. He needs rest. Mausoof ki gaaliyon ka muqabala to hum kar naheen saktay. Inhein in ke haal par chorh dena chahiye. In ke liiye dua hee ho sakti hai. Allah in ke haal par rehm farmaey, aur damaghai tawazun darust kar dai. Aameen.

  30. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Interesting video. I can see a lot of parallels with techniques used by other cults to brainwash. This business is quite uniform across religion brands

  31. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Also, I am waiting for any of you gang members to post my obscene or intemperate language posts so that I can mend my ways.

  32. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    “She too needs to learn manners without spoiling mine!”
    .
    Look, I am a murtad and an atheist to boot. So I dont need any manners. More so after seeing the manners of the religious types specially the manners of those following the perfect and final religion.
    .
    That religion says follow the tradition of the Prophet and it is enjoined upon every one who has professed the shahada to follow the sunnah. Since I dont know much about the religion I assume these people who love the prophet moham3d more than their own parents are following the sunnah in their blog posts and write as the prophet would have written.
    .
    I dont know much because I am after all an english speaking bitch and can only assume that the way tajjad, rex manure and Akb write is sunnah as they are islamic people and love the prophet more than their own parents. And of course allah knows best

  33. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    “akb take her e-mail and use any language u want.but on the blog behave like good muslim”
    .
    So AKB, Maulana Tajjad has allowed you to follow islam only on the blog. When you write to me on mail you can be a munafiq. Maulana Tajjad who is a great Alim and loves the prophet even more than you love your own parents has allowed you to NOT act like a muslim when writing mails to me and you will still be a muslim.
    .

    Maulana Tajjad Zindabad!

  34. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu bi,neither i am alim nor i know much about islam.yes i consider prophet mohammed(pbuh)more than my parents and try to follow his path and teachings.
    my only rquest to you and akb is to use parliamentary language.akb loves u he also claim that u love him as well.so talk bad words privately.i am thinking of leaving pth.

  35. arkmb Pakistan Safari Mac OS says:

    maggu
    you are always winner here and of course most educated and sensible,you have taught a lesson or two to these Al munfiqoon.

  36. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    I dont use any unparliamentary language. I have been asking you and you havent pasted ONE single instance where I have. AKB, the member of your gang has been using obscene and murderous language with your active support. He has also been abusing women in general and me in a sexist manner.
    .
    If you leave here I would have done my good deed of the year! Since Drone has already been put in a strait jacket I am much pleased with my effort to cleanse the world of murderous double talk.
    .
    You are as much a participant in this hate talk

  37. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Maulana Transgender Zindabad!!!

  38. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu,
    if i will leave site,it ia not because of you.

    I dont use any unparliamentary language. I have been asking you and you havent pasted ONE single instance where I have
    I HAVE NO TIME U KNOW VERY WELL,WHAT IS PARLIAMENTARY OR WHAT IS ABUSE.

    the member of your gang has been using obscene and murderous language with your active support

    HE DID NOT HAD MY SUPPORT BUT YES HE WAS USING VERY VERY BAD LANGUAGE.
    BUT U WERE PROVOCATING HIM.UR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS BLOG IS NOTHING EXCEPT ABUSE.BUT MANY MIGRATED PUNJABIS WRITE THE SAME.NOTHING NEW FOR ME.they also infected by zhoot propaganda of rss.i will take rex path of ignoring u.bye.

  39. Gautama United Arab Emirates Safari iPad says:

    Tajender,

    Phat gayi ka? You are not able to discuss with Maggu rationally that is why darpok kutte ki tarah dum daba kar bhaag rahe ho.

  40. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Gautama says:
    November 15, 2012 at 10:15 am
    Tajender,

    Phat gayi ka? You are not able to discuss with Maggu rationally that is why darpok kutte ki tarah dum daba kar bhaag rahe ho

    kis baat pe.if she will talk rational i will discuss.but abuses no.i used to abuse her.but two wrongs do not make one right.so i may ignore her.

    why darpok kutte ki tarah dum daba kar bhaag rahe ho

    tumharee maan ko chood ke bhaag harami kuttey.

  41. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Hahaha…. Maulana Transgender says I abuse, but has no time to cite an instance. Tells AKB to be a good muslim here but abuse me all he wants in private. So in private you can be a munafiq but in public act like a good muslim. Damn hypocrite! And then he says he lives by the sunnah… ab main kyaa manoon? What do I believe? Did the prophet do this double speak and its sunnah or that these guys are munafiqs?
    .
    All these hypocrites will become saintly when they get spanked and claim to ignore you when they don’t have answers.
    .
    Do I care? I will keep talking to you and exposing your hypocrisy you can pretend to ignore me, I know you are burning with shame and I will keep writing
    .
    “tumharee maan ko chood ke bhaag harami kuttey.”
    .
    And you TRANSGENDER are teaching us parliamentary language? Is this sunnah? I look to you to get educated about the prophet and islam so I assume this is what the prophet would have done since you claim to follow sunnah and love the prophet more than your parents. Is there a hadith citing when prophet did any of this kind of thing?

  42. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    You, AKB, Red Manure are all a gang. And this gang is infected with the pakistani virus which assumes its ok to abuse others and become violent and abusive if asked questions.
    .
    People get scared of you in real life but here you will get as good as you give

  43. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    And learn to respect women, all of you. I can assure you being respectful to women is not against Sunnah.
    .
    If you dont show respect to women I will teach you what being abusive is. Your daughters, sisters and mothers will thank me for it.

  44. Gautama United Arab Emirates Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender was giving sermons to AKB to not use abusive language and
    with a little provocation he himself started abusing me. What
    a hypocrite. Apni ochi jaat dikhadi.

  45. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Transgender’s sermon to AKB was to ‘look like a good muslim here’ and abuse in private. These gangsters want to look like decent folks here but are hateful and obscene at heart and will turn obnoxious for no reason. So we trust them at our peril since they only have hate in their hearts.

  46. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    Turing your back on Evil is most lethal and effective. This is what Merlin practiced and is also explained in scriptures. Try this approach and heavens will support you and stay in your company.
    If you do not loose your head nor control of yourself, the world made up of good will follow you and keep company, whereas Evil shall disappear in thin air.

    Rex Minor

  47. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Turing your back on Evil is most lethal and effective…………………………..

    u are very right.i loose my temper.which is not good.

  48. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    “Turing your back on Evil is most lethal and effective…”
    .
    How will you turn your back upon yourself?
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    Face yourself, running away is the way of the coward. But I know you will run away.
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    I will chase you and chastize you where ever I may find you. So you cant escape me.
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    REX MANURE a coward and a member of the gang advising others how to run and hide. Pathetically funny.
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    My advise to all those who contribute to fighting violence, hate and extremism is to not give up. Keep engaging with these evil gangsters and marginalize them till all they can do is talk to each other and give up hate and violence in despair

  49. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    I will chase you and chastize you where ever I may find you. So you cant escape me

    u will find me on pth.but ignore u till improve ur language.i dont want ur awnser.

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