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Freedom of speech

By Ms Kiran Rizvi

There has been a mention or two of the alleged ‘freedom of speech’ in USA, primarily in regard to the anti-Islam movie that attracted undue attention all over the world. While everything is to be taken in context, I felt that the subject needed some clarification after I read a piece on Viewpoint from an expatriate Pakistani professor residing in US. While I can understand that it is hard to comprehend this concept for people in Pakistan because the culture in the subcontinent is restrictive in nature, I certainly did not expect such odd sentiments from a person living in the US.

Freedom of speech is at the center of personal freedoms in the constitution of USA. While it is true that there are many intangible ways to restrict this freedom, by and large people are free to say whatever they feel like provided their words do not result in tangible loss of life or property, for example one cannot legally lie to sell a product etc. Even though uttering offensive words in public sphere can be devastating in many ways, there are no laws that would imprison, fine or punish the perpetrator at state penitentiaries. The debate, therefore, is what is/should be considered ‘offensive’.

Obviously there are some categories that everyone agrees on, when it comes to offensive language. This includes racist, sexist, slanderous and hateful language towards an individual or a group of people. So the question is what do people in US do if a person is found to have used offensive language in public? They can be fired from public or private posts, they can be stripped of their honors, their name can be smitten from the honorary rosters or in the absence of such distinctions, his business could be boycotted etc. There are many organizations that look after the interest of certain groups when it comes to monitoring the offensive language in public. Anti Defamation League comes to mind when we talk about monitoring and protesting anti-Semitism expressed around the world. Such organization use their political and economical power to make sure nothing that is redolent of anti-Jewish sentiments is forgiven in public media. Their contention is that “All it takes is one lie to reignite anti-Semitism”, ironically this heading is displayed on their website in relation to the ‘lie’ that Jews were behind the infamous anti-Islam movie.

People in USA react to hateful and offensive speech in many ways. It can either be used to evoke public disdain, thereby discrediting the perpetrator as a decent member of the society forcing him/her to retract his words or apologize. An example would be when Rush Limbaugh, a famous radio host used indecent remarks for a woman who spoke in favor of women’s health and abortion rights. Mr. Limbaugh had to apologize or face boycott from his sponsors and listeners. Another example was when a church decided to show up with anti-homosexual slogans at the funeral of a homosexual soldier, public disdain was used to characterize the church as an outlier and disgrace to civil society. Sometimes ignoring the events and not giving them enough coverage works too, for example when anti-zionist Jews in Bronx burn the Israeli flag to protest against policies of Israel, no coverage is given to those events, granted their protest is against government policies of Israel and not anti-Semitic in nature. However when a non-Jewish Texas politician, Larry Taylor, uses ‘jew’ as a verb to chide insurance companies, he ends up writing an apology letter to ADL and lose his public post.

Another extreme example of anti-religious expression in USA, in recent history, is ‘PissChrist’. While some Christians took the 1987 photograph of a plastic statue of Christ in artist’s own urine, as a symbol of what Christ’s message has been reduced to in modern times, others have taken it as a sign of disrespect and are outraged on its display in public and private galleries. This was especially disturbing because part of the funding to the artist Andres Serrano was allegedly tax payers’ dollars. There have been ‘death threats’ to the artist, gallery owners and others involved in this controversy but no state punishments have been meted  out to any of the parties involved in the name of ‘freedom of speech’. This whole incident, however, is mainly ignored by the media in recent years to the outrage of devout Christians who see more coverage on the anti-Islam movie than the PissChrist incident.

With freedom comes responsibilities, and yes, in USA you have the freedom to hate, but this hate is not free, it comes at a great economic or personal cost. The cost of freedom of speech depends on who exercised it against whom and in what capacity to gain what interest. The sentiment in Pakistan is that all religious defamation should be outlawed internationally so the sensitivities of devout followers of the religions are not perturbed in any way. However the problem is what is considered offensive to the followers of a religion. To some, a movie that has no resemblance to the story of Islam which uses a few names of the characters from Islamic history cannot be logically accepted as an insult to the religion; whereas not using the honorific ‘PBUH’ in front of Muhammad PBUH, may be seen as offensive to others. There is no point in passing unenforceable laws, and everyone already condemns the attack on any religion or race officially, so what can be done if a group feels unjustly targeted for slanders? There are many ways to combat such spewing of hatred and misinformation other than legislating against the act. Recently when NY subway authority, unable to oppose the petition made under ‘freedom of speech’, had to grudgingly put up anti-Islamic posters in the subway stations sponsored by a pro-Israel organization, another Jewish organization sought to combat this hateful act by putting up pro-Islamic posters instead. This is how US combats bigotry, it may not always be right or succeed in doing what it professes, but that is how it approaches the negative impacts of freedom of speech.

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  1. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Wether you want it or not you will get it.
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    You are the one cussing in gutter language not me. And I don’t really care if you ignore me. I will keep chasing you till you don’t have a place to hide.

  2. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    rex today goverment of pakistan released around 15 afghan commanders from jail and want to have peacefull solution of afghan crises. americans are on their way out.great victory to resistence.

  3. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,
    we are free people since we exist; we show love, compassion and anger because we are humans, not beasts though we are capable of becoming beasts when need be. The caravans have their mission to march on and the village dogs have their own task of barking to warn the villagers of the passing caravan. There are dark and darker galaxies and there are others which are brighter and we watch their display at night while the cravans leaders use them as a compass to follow the direction towards their destination.
    The one thing we should all agree on is not to degrade PTH which provides us the opportunity to express our opinions and a bit of knowledge to share with others without any retributions or reward.

    Rex Minor

  4. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    What did Pakistan offer to talibans other than their their own people, any compensation or apology?
    The Talibans do not negotiate with foreigners an for them all non Pushto speaking people are foreigers and they must leave Afghanistan unconditioaly.
    The French are out by december 31st and the German contigent shall be reduced, retainig still a large numbers there after it is approved by the parliament.

    Rex Minor

  5. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    they refused to talk with americans as well.they know that they have no other option but to leave afghanistan.release was unconditional accepting that problem has no military solution.

  6. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    From order to disorder is the law of physics, though everyone in history has tried to move from disorder to order. Improvement in Quality of life for people in the world, from monarchy to democracy and democracy to dictatorship and return to democracy, from illetracy to literacy and ignorance to knowledge, the law of physics has not altered. More disorder and more violence as we learn more about humanism and more about other folks of the world.

    The new designated chinese President wise words; we have to learn more about the world and the world has to learn more about China. China is on the rise and the American downfall is taking a point of no return.

    Freedom of Speech without any limits was the declaration of decadent.

    Rex Minor

  7. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    PS

    the reformers in the world are coming forward now; Watch the performance of Mohammad Morsi, President of Egypt and Xie -Ping, the President of China. Perhaps Imran Khan of Pakistan one day will join the reformers cadre.

  8. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Wonderful Arab spring. One of the offspring of the spring now wants to destroy the pyramids and the sphinxes. He was also a participants in destroying the Bamiyan Buddhas.
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    Cleanse the world of idols

  9. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @Mullus

    I feel ashamed to learn that Mirja ghulla died in the toilet and was not handles by any Ilm din of his time!! His cult must thank his British lords for providing him asylum……as they continue to do to all enemies of Islam and Muslims. Death to them!
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    Mirja gulla is the most hated person, being a cheat and a traitor. There is no sense in comparing him to Prophet Muhammad, Krishna, Buddha or Jesus. He maligned them all and is condemned forever by all of them combined. this is the reason I hate him.. a mullah in satan’s disguise.

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    When drawing comparison of holy personalities you must have sense to differentiate between good and evil. Many people like Hitler and deny Holocaust because both are accredited villainous and foul elements. Like wise Mirja ghulla of qadian and his cult deserve hate and condemnation…no regrets over it.

  10. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ maggu

    Your loving antics are evidently spoiling the most gentlemanly posters on this forum. Why don’t you leave them alone and buzz off before somebody proposes to you??

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    I love english bitches….I tried them and they are Halal!!
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    Islam says tooth for a tooth eye for an eye…( perhaps Shaky also said something like that) thus you are getting in return what you ask for …and you shouldn;t regret if someone over rides you (or rides you??)

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    You have still not told me your gender…..why>>??? I assure you I am a shareef aadmi and wont do you any harm!! Take heart and show up!!All is fair in love and war……but you perpetually insist on war in return for love, hence you suffer

  11. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ maggu

    Not only that the Wahabi;s will cleanse this world of idols they will cleanse you as well!! Be ready for that…..

  12. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    The brutal creation and public-relations harvesting of “worthy victims” enables putting to bed all the “unworthy victims” as merely the “lesser evil” in empire’s counter-insurgency operations. This is examined in the report: Insurgency vs. Counter-Insurgency ( tinyurl.com/what-is-insurgency )

    My old prof. from MIT has surely contributed a great deal of meaningful vocabulary and penetrating concepts for explaining the Machiavellian statecraft of perception management throughout his extraordinary life of dissent. Including the following:

    Quote Noam Chomsky

    ‘This “debate” is a typical illustration of a primary principle of sophisticated propaganda. In crude and brutal societies, the Party Line is publicly proclaimed and must be obeyed — or else. What you actually believe is your own business and of far less concern. In societies where the state has lost the capacity to control by force, the Party Line is simply presupposed; then, vigorous debate is encouraged within the limits imposed by unstated doctrinal orthodoxy. The cruder of the two systems leads, naturally enough, to disbelief; the sophisticated variant gives an impression of openness and freedom, and so far more effectively serves to instill the Party Line. It becomes beyond question, beyond thought itself, like the air we breathe.’

    and

    ‘Democratic societies use a different method: they don’t articulate the party line. That’s a mistake. What they do is presuppose it, then encourage vigorous debate within the framework of the party line. This serves two purposes. For one thing it gives the impression of a free and open society because, after all, we have lively debate. It also instills a propaganda line that becomes something you presuppose, like the air you breathe.’

    and

    ‘The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.’

  13. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “I love english bitches….I tried them and they are Halal!!”
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    Hmmm… Another tradition of the prophet who you claim to love more than your parents and follow every step of the way?

  14. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Please be respectful the Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (allahu Salam). He was a man of peace and a Mujaddid..
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    He was a man of peace and proclaimed that jihad with the sword has come to an end but jihad for the purification of your souls still remains. This injunction was not from him but rather it is the will of God.
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    The advent of The Holy Prophet sa is described metaphorically as the appearance of God Almighty. The Holy Prophet sa became the mirror reflecting Divine Attributes. He was Al- Abd. The Holy Quran calls him Abdullah — The Servant of Allah. For the latter days God in His Mercy sent us the servant of The Servant — Ghulam Ahmad as. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani as (Ahmad as) claimed to be The Promised Messiah and Mahdi. Ahmad (as) claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus as of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad sa.
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    AKB, my request to you is to please read the over 100 books that Hadarath Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (as) has written with an open mind and evaluate his status and the truth of the Mahdi. All the criticism against him is a conspiracy against true Islam.
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    You are intelligent and I am sure you will see the light if you read even one work of the Hadarath Ahmed (as)

  15. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “My old prof. from MIT has surely contributed…..”
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    So did you go to the MirzaGhulam Institute of Technology (MIT) in Quadian? It is quite good.

  16. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “I love english bitches….I tried them and they are Halal!!”
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    Tried them? As in how? You ate them or had s** with them? Which breeds did you have s** with? Sheepdog? Setter ? Sealyham terrier?
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    And you say it’s halaal? Can’t really be true…. Which Hadith or sura says so? If its true, I think it’s a very progressive thing to be accepting of all such practices. It’s a very modern thought and to have thought it through 1400 years ago is a marvel.
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    AKB, your deep knowledge of Islamic matters and passion for the purity of all religions including Hinduism, Christianity, jeweism and Sikhism is very impressive. Please tell us more

  17. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

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    I love english bitches….I tried them and they are Halal
    AKB marriage is also nothing but legalized prostitution.
    regarding imperialist sponsored wahabi movement,tell me who sold palestine to jews.who is responsible for their sufferings.gaza is biggest jail of world.mahmood abbas palestanian president is mirjai.

  18. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    Who has the power; the one with a nuclear arsenal and drones or the ‘Resistance’ whose DIY rockets are landing in Telaviv and jerusalem? Not to ignore that former Supremo General Petros, the blown up Icon of Iraq who succumbed in front of Talibans and was given the consolation prize by nominating him as head of the mighty CIA, is now being ivestigated by his former collegues of the CIA about any possible security leaks.
    God the almighty one is in full control of the world!

    Rex Minor

  19. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @Maggu

    You are either too naive or over smart….perhaps you spent most of your life with dogs and as such are well versed with canine species.
    There is no dearth of English bitches in England….go for one and you find a score of them,,,,,in many places.
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    As for your question about info on having sex with English chics or bitches( as the ‘ liberal ‘ and ‘secular’ world calls them ) may I suggest you went to Iran and find it for yerself. The Shia sect of Muslims? believes in ‘temporary marriages” …called ‘muta’a’ and they deem it halal. You certainly got to improve your knowledge of the big religious horizon of comparative religions of the world before assailing them….

    yes, I respect religious beliefs of accredited and bona fide religions but surely I can’t be tolerant towards cults like Mirzai who are nothing but a bunch of imposters unable to declare their own separate independent identity.
    If they did so I might change my views against them….


    love!!

  20. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ tajender

    Marriage is a sacred institution, prostitution is not.

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    I am not well versed in Palestinian-Israel issue and my views may not be of any help and I don’t want to quote about this issue from other authors.Anyway, to allay your curiosity here is a story under my purview the contents of which are self explanatory and perhaps shed some light on the issue

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    In Gaza, My Son Asks, What Do The Israelis Want From Us?

    By Rami Almeghari

    15 November 2012
    The Electronic Intifada

    Gaza Strip: “What do they want from us? What do they want from us?” — this is the question posed to me by my son Munir who is now 13 years old. I had just returned from touring nearby towns here in Gaza out of journalistic duty on the second day of Israel’s massive military attacks.

    Since the Israeli assassination of a top Hamas military commander yesterday afternoon, I have been following up on the news, reporting and writing the story of 13-year-old Ahmad Abu Daqqa, who was fatally shot in the stomach by an Israeli soldier last week while he played football outside his home in Khan Younis.

    Munir and Ahmad are both schoolboys and each have a hobby. Ahmad was a football fan, while Munir is interested in news like his father. Whenever Munir approaches me, it’s inevitably to tell me some news or inquire about something.

    Both Ahmad and Munir have spent their childhoods in the harsh, intolerable conditions in Gaza. As they were both similar in age and in terms of living conditions, they surely had the same question: ” What do they want from us?”

    Ahmad has already got the answer. He was killed last Thursday by an Israeli bullet that ripped through his little body.

    Meanwhile, Munir is outraged by the intensity of Israeli air strikes on Gaza, worried for the safety of his brother, two sisters, mother and other family members whenever a loud explosion is heard nearby. He wanted an authentic answer from his journalist father.

    I wracked my mind for an answer that he could understand.

    My wish for peace

    I have always believed in peace. I have always believed in coexistence and I have always stayed away from violence. When I was a child like Munir, the first Palestinian uprising of 1987 broke out. Since then, I have believed in my right as a human being to live in freedom in a clean environment.

    I recall that around that time, then secretary-general of the United Nations Javier Perez de Cuellar was visiting the occupied Gaza Strip in an observation mission. I picked up a broom and started cleaning the front door of my family home in Maghazi town in the central Gaza Strip.

    “Ah, I see you are cleaning, apparently for the UN envoy who is coming over,” Ibrahim Mansour, an older neighbor of mine, told me while I was sweeping. I answered him: yes, I want these people to know that we are a life-loving nation!

    This has truly been my dream. When I was able to join a UN-run media training program in New York City in 2001, I felt great, interacting with UN officials including Kofi Annan, the secretary-general at the time. I immediately talked about the people of Gaza. I mentioned the same cleaning story to the chief of the Palestine and Decolonization Center of the UN, Salim Fahmawi, who was in charge of the training program as well.

    Since my return from the UN training program, I have dedicated my career to the sake of peace and coexistence, working relentlessly to tell the people outside Gaza that the Palestinians are a nation who love life and badly want to live normally like any other nation.

    Do not even dream

    Back to Munir’s question. Despite the fact that I do believe strongly in the power of peace instead of war, I felt I had to properly answer my son. “What do they want?” I exclaimed to Munir. “What they want is obviously to deprive us of our humanity, taking away our dream to live normal lives like other nations, and to throw us into the ocean.”

    Munir got a theoretical answer that he might not understand now. His memory is still collecting images, only without processing those images into facts and figures. Yet the slain child Ahmad Abu Daqqa and his family got a clear-cut answer from the Israelis themselves: You are not allowed to play football, even outside your front door. You are not allowed to enjoy yourselves. You are not even allowed to live.

    Munir is now locked inside my Maghazi home along with his brother Muhammad and his two sisters, Aseel and Nadine, and their mother, Um Munir, watching a TV filled with horrible images from the current Israeli military escalation.

    Munir and Muhammad are not allowed now to even play games on their computer, as I am occupying the room for important work, filled with tension, worry and stress.

    Wait. Munir has just told me that the Rafah crossing terminal on the Egyptian side of Gaza’s southern border is now fully prepared to welcome possible injuries from the Gaza Strip, to be medicated in nearby Egyptian hospitals!

    Rami Almeghari is a journalist and university lecturer based in the Gaza Strip.

  21. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ maggu

    Look there is no harm in having a choice ….or freedom of choosing one over the other. If I said I like English lasses there is nothing wrong in it. They are halal as any other woman….Iranian Shia’s cannot be wrong…..

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    Now this is not a place to preach….if you want to preach about Mirzaism please come on the street or on the minbar of some mosque to sermonize.

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    I have lived among the Mirzai;s and still have one frigging deviate Mirai friend ….I often tell him that he the Mirzai’s made a blunder in terming Mirja Ghulla of Qadian as frofet and when screwed called his Mujtahid!! subhanallah!! the Mirjai;s are good at about turns ….and that they would have been emancipated from the wrath of Mualim Ummah, the Christians, the Hindus if they had declared Mirja as a god!! God is pacific at heart and anybody can call him anything,,,,,nobody cares but calling a dog a human is not acceptable to humans who believe in Muhammad as the Last prophet; Krishna as the Hindu Lord and Jesus as the Son of God!! Blasting all these holy personalities you Mirja Ghulla was wicked enough to take their seat for hisself and leave behind a dynasty of silly and ugly molvi Khalifa;s who have no balls to declare their cult as a separate religious gang up ….or KKK.

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    The philosophy, intent and purpose of Jihad is explicitly mentioned in the Quran, there are many verses to that effect. Mirja acted at the behest of his colonial british lords to discourage Muslims to raise their sword against the british, at the same time to segregate Muslims from Hindu nationalists…in order to sabotage the War of Independence of India waged jointly by the Muslims and Hindus .
    As far as ”spiritual jihad’ is concerned you will find it equally functional in almost all the religions of the world. There was NO need for Mirja Ghulla to give a false hue to the concept of Jihad as envisaged in the Quran. You can google for these verses and then decide where you or I am wrong.

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    Last but not least, it wouldn’t be out of point to tell you that I spent at least two years with my Mirjai gal friend and you know how a pillow dictionary serves best in learning something or learning about something, in this case it was Mirjaism!!

  22. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ maggu

    Since you have shown your real color in advocating Mirjaism on this thread I will suggest that you visit http://www.irshad.com and sermonize there or debate with the people there. If you will continue with your proselytising over here you will find me unsparingly wild….and bitter to your taste. I have already explained that I hate disloyalty and khutta bardari of anyone,,,,,but Mirja Ghulla was a paradigm of both and more, a traitor of Islam, a slave of the British, an ugly crook and an imposter.

  23. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) honoured By US Supreme Court In 1935 “Fact: The US Supreme court honored Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him) as one of the greatest impact on law in the world in 1935 Equality before the law; Innocent until proven guilty; The right to counsel … this is why in 1935, the United States Supreme Court honored Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as one of the 18 greatest lawgivers in human history in 1935. Islam is also recognized in one of our greatest buildings (the Library of Congress) as being one of the 11 or 12 most influential and important contributors to civilization!””

  24. Syed United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    @AKB

    //…I feel ashamed to learn that Mirja ghulla died in the toilet…//

    Good news – you don’t have to feel ashamed because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, if it’s him you’re referring to, died most peacefully in his bed and his last words were “Allah – mairay piaray Allah” and there were scores of honourable and truthful witnesses to this account. Now, coming to the question: what should you, Sir, be ashamed of? The only thing you really ought to be ashamed of and quite rightfully, is your complete lack of decency.

    //…thank his British lords for providing him asylum…//

    The Holy Prophet Muhammad [sallallahu alaihi wa sallam] was deeply grateful to King Negus, the Christian king of Abyssinia, who granted asylum to the earliest Muslims including some members of the Holy Prophet’s household. It is on record that the Holy Prophet was immensely grateful towards him and prayed for him.

    //…Mirja gulla is the most hated person…//

    In Adam’s time, Adam was the most hated person. The Quran tells us that Iblees hated Adam. In Noah’s time, Noah was the most hated person. Abraham was the most hated person among his opponents. Moses was the most hated person among the eyes of Pharoah. Jesus was the most hated person among the Rabbis of Jerusalem and the ruling Romans. Muhammad the Prophet of Allah was the most hated person among his persecutors. Imam Hussain was the most hated person among the Yazeedis. And the list goes on and on.

    //…I am not well versed in Palestinian-Israel issue…//

    Vey true. The only thing you’re well-versed in is bad manners and foul language.

    //…Mirzai who are nothing but a bunch of imposters unable to declare their own separate independent identity…//
    I hereby, for the sake of your compromised brain, do declare for the umpteenth time, that we Ahmadi Muslims do have our own religious identity and our religious identity is that we are followers of Islam and are Muslims. May I add – and no disrespect intended – that we give a damn to what you think about us.

  25. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    AKB, no one here is talking ill of Mohamed or him not being a great lawgiver. Islam also is a great part of the modern civilisation.
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    Problem is with importers like you and your killer brethren who claim to follow Mohamed and Islam but are munafiqs at heart. The killing and oppression you carry out in the name of Islam and Mohamed tells the world that Islam does not exist any more, just a bunch of gangsters who claim to love Mohamed more than their parents but hate him from the core of their hearts and express their hatred by doing everything the man wouldn’t have done.

  26. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “Fact: The US Supreme court honored Prophet Muhammad”
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    And why do you need a certificate from the great satan, the hated owners of the drones sending so many shaheeds to paradise? And a certificate for Mohamed who you love more than your own parents?

  27. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    The video is of the Taliban Rabine; they are stricter towards women than the Afghan taibans. They are forcing jewish women in jerusalem to sit separate from men in public buses!

    Rex Minor

  28. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ Mirzai KKK

    Hey Mirzai’s pariahs!!
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    Is this the freedom of speech you are talking about??
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    DeWitt never meant to go public with his unbelief. He figured he could “stay under the radar,” he said, and continue working as a buildings inspector in DeRidder, where, over the years, he had gained a reputation as a community champion and was talked about as a future mayor. But when he heard that Richard Dawkins would be attending a Freethinkers gathering in Houston, he couldn’t resist. He took a day off, without telling his boss where he was going. He got a picture taken of himself and his son Paul (who was then 19 and who has never been religious) with Dawkins. DeWitt posted the photograph on his Facebook page, assuming that “nobody in DeRidder knew who Dawkins was.” He also, perhaps unwisely, updated the “religious views” box on his Facebook page to read “secular humanist.”

    It was his grandmother’s cousin, an 84-year-old woman he knew as Aunt Grace, who saw that page and outed him. Word spread quickly. On Dec. 1, his boss asked to meet him at a diner in town. Sitting at the table, the man took out two printouts from secular Web sites with DeWitt’s name on it. “He told me: ‘The Pentecostals who run the parish are not happy, and something’s got to be done,’ ”DeWitt recalled. “Half an hour later I was out of a job.” (His former boss did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.)

    Almost at once, DeWitt became a pariah in DeRidder. His wife found herself ostracized in turn, and the marriage suffered. She moved out in June. He received a constant stream of hate messages — some threatening — and still does, more than seven months later. He played me a recent one he had saved on his cellphone as we ate lunch at a diner in town. “It’s just sickening to hear you try to turn people atheist,” a guttural voice intoned. It went on and on, telling DeWitt to go to hell in various ways. “I’m not going to sit around while you turn people against God,” the voice said at one p”

  29. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ Syed

    So you agreed with whatever I said about the deviate heretics the Mirzai;s…right?
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    If you have a ‘different identity’ why do you crave for being Muslims which evidently you are not. Take you pleadings and excuses to the International court of Justice and fight your sick case…or if you want try your argument in any court of law, anywhere!! You are surely bound to face the music everywhere….not only that you will be condemned by the Muslims but the Hindus, Christians and Jews will also spit on your face for falsehood and innovative betrayal of a faith.
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    You the Mirzai’s are like a woman who craves to be screwed by a Muslim Mulla even if that has to be by hook or by crook!! What a funny folk you Mirjai’s are!! Blasphemers and cowards who have no guts to pronounce a name, a separate identity to their cult!!

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    Would you like to tell us all how Mirja Ghulla met his end??? How he admitted that he was ‘impotent’ and gay?? How he managed with his wife or wives?? Why was he opposed by Muslims and is still condemned by them all??
    How much reward for his ‘services’ did he ask and get from his British masters??
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    You should be ashamed of comparing that rogue of a deviate Mullah Mirja ghulla with Prophet Muhammad…this is the imitation you deliberately and blatantly practice which poses you the main source of trouble.

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    I have asked you many times to quote from the works of your Murja Ghulla but you always side track the matter and seek frail explanations to justify allegations against your faux frofet. This is totally unacceptabel as all you try to puke is false, absurd and without an keeping!

  30. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ maggi the nangi

    Prophet Muhammad doesn;’t need any certificate from anyone..it were the non muslims who chose him to illuminate themselves at their own will!

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    you better keep to you bikini business as it is it which makes you live off it!
    .

  31. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ syed

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    As to how much I know or don’t know about Palestinian problem is none of you business to remark at ….It was simply out of modesty that I said that to my friend…….
    .
    You keep to your wicked philosophy and polemics about defending your false frofet Murja gulla of Qadian until police comes to your place and gets you!!
    Mind it all your abuses and blasphemy is being recorded and assembled for onward submission to the Pak police as evidence under the Blasphemy Laws and the day is never far when you will hear at knock at your door!!
    I bet no one of your associates or sympathizers will dare come to your help then…and you very well know how Muslims treat blasphemers and heretics in Pak or even in some other ME countries….

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    JAB KUTTAY KEE MAUT AATI HE TU WOH MASJID MEIN MOOT TA HE ….NAMAZI TERA BHI KUTTE JAISA HAAL KAREIN GAY!!! MAGGU BECHARI BHI KIA KARE GEE??

  32. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ MAGGI

    WHO CAN DARE TALK ILL ABOUT PROPHET MUHAMMAD? EVEN THE SUPER POWERS BOW TO HIS NAME AND REPUTATION…..
    /
    COMPARING MIRJA GHULLA OR ANYONE ELSE WITH PROPHET MUHAMMAD IS BLASPHEMOUS..AND CULPABLE AT LAW. AND PERCHANCE THERE WAS NO LAW, THE MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL TAKE CARE OF THE COWARDLY BLASPHEMERS,…WHO ARE NOT ONLY RENEGADES OF ISLAM BUT ALSO TRAITORS TO THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. IF THEY ARE TRUTHFUL AND BELIEVE THEY ARE MUSLIMS THEY MUST STAY AMONG MUSLIMS AND NOT HIDE IN ANTI ISLAMIC LANDS IR SEEK REFUGE IN ANTI ISLAMIC HANDS!

  33. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ MAGGI

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    JUST TO CHEER YOU UP AND THE FAKE PEACE LOVING BUT HATE MONGERING LIBERALS, SECULARISTS . ATHEIST AND HERETICS

    .
    MAGGU VISITS KARACHI…

    .

    from : Pakistan Zindabad

    to : Pakistan Se Zinda Bhag !
    ================================================
    Written Behind a Rickshaw In Karachi , Pakistan ……..

    JIYO TO KAISE JIYO?
    Pant shirt pehno to Moulvi nahi chhorega,
    Salwar qameez pehno to MQM nahi chhorega,
    Chaddi baanyan pehno to Taliban nahi chhorega,
    Aur Nanga ghumo to PATHAN nahi chhorega!!

  34. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Here is to Freedom of Speech!

    SWEDEN: Muslim savages brutally beat 87-year-old woman trying to stop them from abusing a puppy
    The 87-year-old confronted a (Muslim) immigrant gang of five that was assaulting a helpless puppy outside a grocery store. The gang then turned their attention to her, beating her to the ground, where they brutally kicked and punched her until she started bleeding from her private parts.

    The sadistic attack is now sending chock-waves through the once-idyllic small town of Helsingborg, southern Sweden.
    The woman, who was discovered in her home several days after the attack with heavy bleedings from her genitals, says in an interview with Swedish Radio that she ‘couldn’t help but ask them to stop – maybe it was stupid of me but I just couldn’t stand watching them torture a small animal’.

    On November 12, she was just on her way to the local grocery store in central Helsingborg to buy coffee when she was confronted with the horrific scene. ‘When I went outside I heard something howling just like a small child crying. I continued a few steps and saw a few men standing in front of me. I realized that they were beating a small dog, a black one with a white chest.’

    As the 87-year-old grandmother asked the men, who were ‘speaking a language that she couldn’t understand’, to stop what they were doing and told them that ‘they should be ashamed of themselves’, they immediately responded by knocking her down to the ground.

    ‘One of them came up to me and hit me on the right side of of my head and I fell to the ground. One of the others forced my legs down and then they started kicking me while I was lying down.’ The gang focused most of their kicks on the 87-year-old’s lower abdomen and private parts. ‘I thought they were going to break my legs because they were bending them apart while kicking straight ahead.’

    In an eerily similar case in Gothenburg in March this year, a 61-year-old pensioner was beaten so savagely that he fell into a coma. His crime? Trying to protect his dog from being harassed by an immigrant gang outside a supermarket in Kortedala.

  35. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    Who says it is ‘haram’ to beat an HIV ridden bitch??

  36. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB wrote:

    Who says it is ‘haram’ to beat an HIV ridden bitch??

    Where does the article say anything about the dog/puppy having any disease? Secondly nothing is said about the gender of the dog.
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    But of course we know you are speaking of the 87 year old lady who tried to protect a small puppy from a gang of Islamic assholes.
    .
    And for this you start calling an 87 year old lady HIV ridden and a bitch!
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    Arab Ki Bund,
    you are a great Misaal of Islam. Keep it up!

  37. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,
    that old lady had more guts than all the Pakis together, who just buckled under some intimidation by some Islamic invaders, and changed their religion.
    .
    That lady had more guts than all those 93,000 Paki soldiers who made their brown pants browner when they faced the Indian Army in 1971.
    .
    Pakis are a synonym for cowardice!

  38. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ Raj kanglay
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    Why doesn;t the so called ‘civilized’ bums on this thread object to your filthy language now??? Why my words burn their behinds??? Hypocrisy, boy, hypocrisy,,,,,the hallmark of the Mirjai’s mullayish pariahs!!
    .
    Go and lick that 87 year old bitch.,…as she inspires you the most. Come with complete news, stating the genuine reasons for those boys shooing the dog off. Was he or she a lapdog?? How do you say that dog was not a bitch>>?? did you ‘experiment’ on IT??

    .

    nobody is a fool to beat up a small dog unless that dog is homo, pedo or a buster aulad of mughals!

  39. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Arab Ki Bund,
    .
    The 87 year old lady deserves the highest praise, for standing up to compassion which we should have for all living beings.
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    Your foul mouthed language and your apologism of Islamic savagery is to be expected, but basically you see in that gang of Islamics beating up a helpless old lady and before that kicking a little pup, a reflection of your own cowardice, something that afflicts each and every Paki, the need to lick the arse of every Mullah and to suck on the balls of every Talibani, just so as to save your own sorry inbred hide!

  40. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    Happenings in other parts of the world have impact on Pakistan as well. But the Aflatoons of PTH are deluded by the fact that that doesn’t concern Pakistan, the Muslims or humanity. They also admitted that PTH is Pee tee ech
    alluding to the wrong belief that all that;s shoved on PeeTH is Pakistani…what nonsense! When it comes to matters such as Mirjaism of Qadian these Aflatoons atonce start quoting the Western world and their norms without realizing that conditions in both Pakistan and advanced worlds, and even the developing places, drastically differ. This is the height of hypocrisy demonstrated by PTH and it appears they have NO ears or eyes to see through the right thing.

    .

    THIS IS FREEDOM IN A SO CALLED CIVILIZED COUNTRY,,,,SHAME!!

    .
    A Bestial Homicidal French Government!
    By Jay Janson

    18 November, 2012
    ”France, with its infamous history of murder and inhumanity in its colonies, Haiti, Vietnam and Algeria and during a thirty year occupation of Syria, in part as fascist Vichy France, is committing Crimes Against Humanity, arming, funding, secretly leading murdering gangs invading and destroying Syria, obviously for the benefit of the world ruling international private investment banking community.

    Such crimes must be prosecuted.”

    .
    Politicians in France pose as law-abiding citizens, as they always have, and haughtily rule France and what remains of its empire for the imperialist gang of investors that support their election campaigns. Once in office they prance and pose and pretend to bask in the pride of French culture.

    But none of the above heroes of humanity were or are war criminals (your author checked), none, falsifiers, mega cheats, living from, within and representing corruption and pretentiousness as their way of life. And they all thought little, if not hated, their nation’s politicians and their wars upon Mankind for profit. Many of these now super stars of history, were themselves persecuted and suffered imprisonment under this over-class of conniving officials of state who now parade as their fellow Frenchmen.

    In political cartoons these “august’ leaders are often caricatured as well dressed rodents, vermin, parasites feeding on human flesh, as pimps, as pieces of garbage thrown up by the amoral vacuous private investor elite, that buy and sell human beings along with all of nature and mind which they commodify, rules France by using police and military force.

    Cartoonist nave ridiculed these elected high officials, who in recent years have turned France into a proud servile appendage to, and collaborator with, Wall Street and Washington DC’s insane preparations for a world war, and why-me-worry planetary destruction. Why? For the immeasurably huge mega profits it will bring investors in the manufacture of weapons of mass destruction.

    If the reader would like to observe a President of France doing a better job caricaturing himself than any cartoonist could, click on the link of the article above. In the photo a elegant and dapper poised President François Hollande is bending across the table as if bowing while warmly holding the hand of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in both of his.
    click here

    “I came, I saw, he died!”

  41. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @

    ” YOU HAVE STARTED IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!”RajTOO says:
    November 19, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Arab Ki Bund,”\
    /
    CHECK IT OUT WITH THE PIOUS LADY MAGGU AND THE DOUBLE FACED MONSTERS HERE FOR YOUR SWEET LANGUAGE!!

  42. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,
    you referred to a brave lady as an HIV-infested bitch! And now you start yelping!

  43. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    Prejudiced Portrayal Of Muslims Serves The Interests Of
    Western Power Centers: Dr. Chandra Muzaffar

    Interview By Kourosh Ziabari

    18 November, 2012

    Kourosh Ziabari: Dr. Muzaffar; the Western mainstream media portray a completely biased and prejudiced image of Islam and Muslims, while Muslims have always contributed to the social, economic, political and scientific advancement and progress of the societies which they live in as minorities. What’s your viewpoint in this regard? How should a realistic image of Islam be presented to the Western public?

    Dr. Chandra Muzaffar: If no Muslim resorts to terrorism, if no Muslim misinterprets Islamic teachings to justify the suppression of women or the marginalisation of non-Muslim minorities, if no Muslim leader abuses power or violates the rights of his people, it is quite conceivable that the mainstream Western media will have less ammunition to target Muslims and their faith. But I suspect negative stereotyping of Muslims and pejorative representations of Islam will continue to find expression through the influential stratum of Western society. Why?

    It is simply because the prejudiced portrayal of Muslims and Islam in the media serves the interests of the centers of power in the West. When Palestinians resist Israeli occupation and aggression, it is in the interest of the occupier and its allies in Washington , London , Paris and Berlin to project the victim as the wrongdoer, ever ready to commit violence. Likewise, when the hegemon invaded Iraq for its oil, the mainstream media camouflaged the real motive for the invasion by highlighting that monstrous lie concocted by former British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, and former US President, George Bush, about Saddam Hussein’s Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). It is lies like this pedalled by the media that sully the image of Muslims. Anyone who resists US led hegemony is demonised: Muammar Gaddafi became a mass murderer of tens of thousands of his own citizens — a gross exaggeration— because he stood in the way of the NATO-led operation to usurp Libya ‘s oil wealth. Today, Bashar al-Assad of Syria is projected in the media as a bloodthirsty monster — another falsehood— because he has chosen to defend the sovereignty and independence of his country in the face of a concerted attempt by Western powers and their West Asian allies to oust him through military force so that a pliant regime that dances to their tune can be installed in Damascus.

    This is why Western hegemony has to end before an honest image of Muslims can emerge. It is not just because of Israel and oil that Muslims and Islam are often tarred and tarnished in the media. It is also because Muslim countries are on the shores of most of the vital sea-routes in the world, the control of which is critical for the pursuit of global power and dominance.

    The good news is that Western hegemony is on the decline. The rise of new centres of power from Latin America to East Asia is an irreversible process. For some years now I have been suggesting that Muslim scholars, politicians and media practitioners should as a matter of priority reach out to groups with influence and impact in various parts of the non-Western world to tell them what is really happening in the Arab-Israeli conflict and in West Asia as a whole and why there is so much negative imaging of Islam and Muslims. A bit of this is already being done but much more remains to be done. At the same time, more literature should be produced and circulated in the native languages of the new centres of power that seeks to correct distorted perspectives on jihad, terrorism, the position of women, relations with non-Muslims, the concept of justice and the meaning of compassion and mercy in Islam.

    In other words, one should not concentrate only on how Muslims and Islam are perceived in the West. Power is shifting to the East and it is the image of Islam and Muslims in the non-Muslim, non-Western world— such as China— that will really matter in the end.

    KZ: As a Muslim-majority country, Malaysia has ma

    .
    ”Dr. Chandra Muzaffar has received numerous awards for his writings and his intellectual activities from different countries.

    Muzaffar believes that political and economic institutes in the United States are dominated by the Zionist lobby and this is why the United States cannot adopt an independent and balanced foreign policy, especially with regards to the Muslim nations.

    “ One of the main reasons why the US elite is not able to abandon its patronage and protection of Israel is because of Zionist influence and power in some of the key sectors of American public life. The US Congress, Senate and the White House are all beholden, in one way or another, to Zionist funds and Zionist lobbies. Zionists are dominant in the upper echelons of finance,” he says.

    What follows is the text of an in-depth interview which I conducted with Dr. Muzaffar to discuss different issues such as the public image of Muslims in the West, the rise of Islamophobia and the Muslims-West relations, etc.//”

    /

  44. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Raj2 “you referred to a brave lady as an HIV-infested bitch! And now you start yelping!”
    .
    Did that stupid lady ask these young men if they had received the final word of god? If she had, she would have known that they could do no wrong. I am sure they were hitting the dog because it was a homosexual which we all know is a grave sin deserving of death as punishment.
    .
    Now that the enlightened AKB has accorded pedophilia also the status of sin its possible that the dog was being hit because of that.
    .
    Remember, Mother Teresa cant go to heaven since she has not received and accepted the message. The message has such power and grace that even the humblest of sinners if he accepts it, can walk straight into paradise.
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    RAJ2, don’t ever condemn a person who has accepted the message. Or else….

  45. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Raj,

    Why divert AKB’s attention, let him say his piece while you rest in your protected Dome?

    The scene you are describing in Gothenburg, is a normalcy in major cities in European countries including Germany as well. People of old age get beaten up by gangs of youth at railway stations and Bus stops in presence of others who have not got the civil courage to intervene. What we need is civil courage among the citizes to itervene in such cases at nes own risk. Your biased position against muslims and Pakis is not tenable.

    For your info Jews during the Third Reich were not permitted to have pet dogs in their household, perhaps due to the nature of incidence that you have described. Good thing that the lady did not come across the chinese or koreans who gently make a meal from the dogs meat.

    Rex Minor

    PS
    Should’nt we tell the bloggers about the love affairs of the swedish monarch with pornos, and the Spanish monarch extra marrital relations and illegitimate children, rather than the unsocial behaviour of few, which is common all over the world. Not long ago some one posted the gang rape incidence in Bangalore. Were they also identified as muslims?

  46. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Vaisey, why did the swedish newspaper have to report it as a “muslim” gang. It could have been any gang of young delinquents.

  47. RajTOO Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    And out come the torn shirt open fly excuses! Just because Muslims ignore the incidences of barbarity from those among them (one tends to ignore incidences one considers normal), does not mean that others would oblige the Muslims by ignoring them as well!

  48. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    How come the man with the name Holland is the President of France and the one before him with the name Sarkozi? And the one with the name Barack Hussain as the President of the USA who was baptised as a muslim whose mother lived her life with muslims, and was raised as a christian and after gainig power turned against muslims of the world an became the vassal of the Zionists Clan, the more powerful Lobby in the world today.
    And when is the over 80 years old monarch going to react against what is going on against the children who are dyig despite the angels being their caretakers? The least one would expect that the Arabia oli should replace the subsidies both Egypt and Pakistan rceives from America. Time is rung ut for the muslim kings and dictators and their Govts must represent the expressions and and feelings of the masses and not selected few; unity among all regardless of their political affiliations, every individual citizen of the country must come into the fold of a Nation! This is a pre-requisite for every Nationof in the world.

    Rex Minor

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