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Irrational Patriotism and Pakistan

Raza Habib Raja

In Pakistan, watching the media talk shows can be an enlightening and in fact entertaining experience. The “pearls” of wisdom uttered in these talk shows are a testimony to the intellectual orientation of the hosts, participants and unfortunately even the regular viewers who have become addicted to this Pakistani version of Indian soap operas. Like Indian soap operas, these talk shows aim to create melodrama, controversy and try their level best to capitalize on the fertile and highly imaginative mindset of the middleclass urbanities. This mindset has evolved and not surprisingly continues to evolve under the “conducive” environment fuelled by external events and Government of Pakistan’s response to them.

The guiding philosophy of this mindset is irrational patriotism chiefly emanating out of identity crisis, delusional self importance and paranoia about the security of nuclear arsenal (which is Pakistan’s only “achievement” at least in terms of nuisance value). The slogans for this irrational patriotism are: Qaumi ghairat per samjhota nayee ho sakta (National sovereignty cannot be compromised); Kashkol ko toor do (Break the begging bowl); Hukmuran America aur Israeli isharon per naach rahe hain (Rulers are dancing to the tunes of the USA and Israeli whims); and Nuclear program per soda na manzoor (We won’t compromise on Nuclear program).

Right now all the brains are seemingly working in one direction: how to link nuclear arsenal and so called strategic location with every act of terrorism occurring in the country. Even Malala incidence, despite open acknowledgement by Taliban is being interpreted as something conducted by CIA to build a case for drone attacks and military action in tribal areas. The fact that drones actually target militants (those who tried killing Malala) is completely lost on them. What in essence is being said is that CIA used Taliban to kill Malala so that a justification for attack on Taliban can be made!! And these people call themselves as “patriots” and any nonbeliever as a “sell out”.

I call this irrational patriotism because it is based on instinct and reflects our rather over inflated opinion about ourselves in terms of importance and achievements. Today whether we admit it or not, the fact is that Pakistan ranks low in important social indicators pertaining to transparency, literacy, economy and healthcare even when compared to developing economies of similar characteristics. According to Asian Development Bank, compared with Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka, Pakistan’s school enrolment is lower, adult illiteracy is higher, and infant and child mortality rates are higher. According to the Corruption Perceptions Index developed by Transparency International, Pakistan ranks 134th out of 180 countries, “beating” even African poor countries like Zambia, Ethiopia and Uganda.

Since we do not have anything concrete to be proud of, therefore things like “strategic location” and “nuclear arsenal” become the only citable “evidences” of our importance. Consequently, these are repeated to death on media. Of course this brand of patriotism comes hand in hand with a strong religious fervor. Majority of the Pakistanis see their country spearheading the Islamic military resurgence.

Due to a combination of all these factors we simply assume that the entire world’s foreign policies are devised around Pakistan. This brand of patriotism is irrational also because it is proving to be counterproductive to not only Pakistan’s economic, social and political welfare but is also in a strange way undermining the wishes of these romantic nationalists of a strong nuclear Pakistan.

This irrational patriotism has developed a reciprocal relationship with the media- print as well as electronic- and both reinforce each other thus making sure that we spiral downwards into a state of complete intellectual bankruptcy. Obviously this downward spiral is not merely intellectual as it is also accompanied by lack of public interest and participation in other and far more important issues.

One has to understand the power of media and its target market to comprehend the importance and consequences of this apathetical behavior. In a country like Pakistan which has parliamentary form of democratic setup (that too in an infancy stage ) and is still in the process of transition from agriculture to industrial economy, the check and balance institutions are not highly developed. Moreover, the majority of the populace resides in the rural area and is more attuned to local political issues rather than national policy related matters. A quick look at the respective rural urban political profiles will attest it. Elections are not fought on ideology in rural areas or on policy related political issues but on the strength of candidates which explains as to w hy parties (both of “left” and right) field strong candidates. These individuals are often in a position of winning independently also. The basic criterion of a strong candidate is his wealth, political clout, influence on the local bureaucracy and his ability to successfully push through local demands such as jobs, sanitation, construction of small roads, arbitration of local disputes etc.
On the other hand in the urban areas, it is the political ideology, legislative and policy issues which matter more. Consequently issue oriented political movements in countries like Pakistan are primarily urban based. The recent successful lawyers’ movement was primarily an urban movement. Thus despite the fact that urban areas account for lower share of population, they become the major arena where the ideological battles are fought.

The urban mind-set becomes the chief driver and determinant of the national policies. The media since it reflects the urban opinion becomes the major vehicle through which Governments can be pressurized, consensus can be built for policy decisions and even a movement can be initiated( the lawyers movement was primarily a media generated movement). Having an extremely commercial orientation and in bid to capitalize the overly conservative mindset of the urbanites, the present day media is unfortunately perpetuating this senseless paranoia and is sensationalizing facts through knitting sophisticated conspiracy theories according to which the foreign powers have ganged up to destabilize Pakistan. Here the media lately has been reinforcing this irrational patriotism rather than playing any progressive role. Irrationality is reigning supreme amongst the class which can potentially play a meaningful and progressive role.

In the post 9/11 scenario and before the recent spree of daily bombings began, as Pakistan was slowing falling into a deep pit, the media instead of building a political will for military action at the right time was painting it as merely US war and some kind of a grand conspiracy by the western world to get hold of the nuclear arsenal. Consequently the terrorists were able to win the battle of the minds and the political will could not develop and is still not there despite a belated full scale military action. Assuming the weird logic that the entire conspiracy is to purge the nuclear arsenal, the media by successfully delaying a decisive action against militants allowed them to gain a complete foothold thus strengthening US concerns about the nuclear issue. Thus this brand of irrational patriotism has in reality proven counterproductive to the wishes of romantic nationalists.

This irrational patriotism is also seriously undermining the process of reorientation of the state towards other important areas such as education, law and order, poverty, healthcare and political reforms related to issues like provincial autonomy. Instead of debating on these issues and ensuring that the respective central and provincial governments are made accountable, the entire media thrust and the public attention is on nuclear issue and on already overhyped notions like national sovereignty. Consequently, the state is not feeling the heat on critical issues and nor is any seeking any intellectual discourse on them. By taking the focus away from these issues, this irrational patriotism is also contributing towards social instability and political fragility. An obvious sufferer is the resource rich and yet poor province of Baluchistan. At this moment instead of trying to focus on redressing their grievances our brilliant media is busy attributing everything to foreign involvement.

Theoretically a way out would be that liberal elements also come to the media to present their alternative viewpoint. But here is another problem. On the media, the liberal voices have mostly been relegated to entertainment programs. In a strange way, the liberal image has been widely accepted to be synonymous with some kind of elitist outlook emanating out of a partying lifestyle. This categorization of liberalism is also projected and reinforced by the media in such a way that liberalism in Pakistan is now accepted to have the following characteristics:

1) It is an unpatriotic philosophy and has the sole aim of westernization and thus weakening of Pakistan.
2) It is being adhered to by the segment which is ultra western, sexually active and morally pervert and wants the entire Pakistani society to become the same.
3) The philosophically important ideas which have somewhat liberal underpinning such as individual liberty, women liberation, religious tolerance, preference of self introspection over irrational patriotism, separation of state and religion, increased role of state for leveling of income inequalities, less ambitious external policy, a passive military with no aspirations built around romantic nationalism, too have no use for Pakistani society. A general consensus is that these ideas are a modus operandi cum intellectual vehicle to westernize Pakistan and to undermine the existing “rich” patriotic culture and values. Of course our insecurity over our national “pride” of nuclear arsenal also features in.

The worst thing which has happened over the decades is that the abovementioned liberal tenants have successfully been amalgamated with a sexually deviant anti culture lifestyle, by our mainstream media. In a strange way a mindset has developed where anyone talking about these issues (though degree of association would differ from issue to issue) will also be labeled as a pro western elitist having a fringe opinion. Mainstream opinion about liberal journalists like Fasi Zaka and Nadeem Farooq Paracha is that they are unpatriotic or at best English speaking misguided elitists with no clue about Pakistani problems. Even the partying lot, while accepting western lifestyle, nevertheless retains this nonsensical “patriotic” streak whereby ideologically liberal are considered as unpatriotic.

The rise of “leaders” like Imran Khan have further complicated the problem as they are now the main torch bearers of this ideology. I am personally seeing no hope until those who call themselves liberals take it mainstream Urdu print and electronic media. One of the worst problems is that there is no alternative discourse in Pakistan. All the channels are uttering variants of the same narrative.

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111 Responses to "Irrational Patriotism and Pakistan"

  1. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @
    rex

    thank you very much for your kind compliments, I try to be fair as much as possible but yes, I cannot and would not tolerate traitors and rascals working on a particular agenda. There are so many horrible things going around the world; 50 innocent children got killed in a bus-train accident; Israel bent upon devastating the Palestinians without restraint; the on going target and sectarian killings in Karachi; Himalaya of corruption all around in Pak; Buddhist hellbent in Burma to exterminate Muslims Burmese, etc etc but PTH and the aflatoons at the helm of its affairs cannot see beyond Mirjai’s, Pakistan, Jinnah, Islam, Talibans, terrorism, etc etc …
    They are also blind to the fact that now Pak (at the behest of it’s masters nodoubt) has released a ‘tranche’ of Afghan Taliban captives as ‘bargaining bait”…..How can PTH aflatoons now have reason to relate terrorism with the Talibans when they are being freed???
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    there is over-regurgitation of the same damn issue over and over again and nothing of universal humanity is showing up in the minds of the aflatoons.
    this is why many posters have left PTH ( well, PTH might not care about it,,they will say) but this rant by them on hand-picked topics to perpetrating their vile agenda must be stopped and all posts must be given a universal hue and color. There is much much to discuss and learn from topic other than the rote dinned up here but to NO use. All postings of PTH combined and all the ‘habitual’ short-sighted writers on it have not impressed a single person nor done any service to society as a whole except promote hate and abuse.

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    Yeah, I have access to some newspapers and it is doing better than any other media, particularly the internet media which only covers a 0.00000001 per cent or less of the audience reached by other media.

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    I hope PTH ‘Aflatoons’ will improve the standard of their articles and bid sayonara to sectarian and religious propaganda as it’s not serving any purpose nor it will in future too.

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    Rex, have you read the article concerning Zia Mohiuddin by Khalid Ahmad as published in the Nation?? No? Plz do and you will find some good lines by the author about the so Called Sufi’s….the dead souls!

  2. RHR United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    The name is Pak Tea House not Israel Tea House. And AKB is well advised to first see in his own back door where minoities like shiites are being massacred rahter than talking about Israel.

    having said so, I completely condemn Israeli atrocities but I also condemn what is being done by muslims to their fellow muslims and non muslims in Pakistan.

    Regards

    Raza

  3. RHR United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    And the only “vile” agenda which I have is of a tolerant Pakistan!!

    What is yours?

    Regards

    Raza

  4. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    A wonderful mutual admiration society has been formed with a membership of two by AKB and Rex Manure. They will soon disagree, call each other an imperfect Muslim and shoot each other. We will all live happily ever after.

  5. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “Yeah, I have access to some newspapers and it is doing better than any other media, particularly the internet media which only covers a 0.00000001 per cent or less of the audience reached by other media”
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    AKB, yours and your friend Rex Manure’s intellectual brilliance, knowledge, beautiful language, acute and patient argumentative skills need a wider platform than this. I think the world deserves your largesse in its newspapers and TV programs. You should not be wasting these extraordinary gifts here.

  6. Haris Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    Geo is a goon of black mailers and unfortunately following Geo some other channels are also trying to adopt the same style. Geo News TV is a leader in sensationalism and lopsided reporting in Pakistan, and that most other TV channels uncritically imitate Geo TV’s unethical and unprofessional practices in order to improve their ratings. These propaganda channels might have thrived in Nazi Germany but people of Pakistan know them for what they are as this article proves precisely. But it is our misfortune that our people have to suffer them to this extent because PPP governments commitment to freedom. But this commitment to freedom is distinguishing feature between a fascist and a democrat. These journalists have supported anti- public causes since Pakistan came into being whether it was Martial Laws or religious bigotry. But People of Pakistan kept electing progressive political parties. What did these journalists achieve? A comfortable life out of pact with devil. But a life, devoid of nobility, a life empty of truth.

  7. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    rhr,
    u say that ….shias are mascared in pakistan.this is wrong.shias created pakistan and they are having best of pakistan.in time of turmoil nobody is safe.iran has sizable sunni community,they are not able to reach even middle management level.india had 1000 plus communal riots.pakistan nothing like this.regarding palestanian problem,
    Palestinian suffering is a way of life. Imagine living every day not sure if you’ll live or die. Imagine young children growing up this way. Do Israeli children know what Palestinian ones endure? Are they told? Do they care? Do their parents?

    Israel’s moving thousands of troops and heavy weapons to Gaza’s border. Mossad-connected DEBKAfile said:

    “Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz and the high IDF command are pushing for the ground operation, Stage B of the Pillar of Cloud operation, to start without delay. The prime minister and defense minister prefer to wait.”

    Another potential holocaust looms. Civilians always suffer most. Israel and America willfully target them. It part of the imperial strategy of both countries. Human lives don’t matter, just conquest, dominance, and exploitation.

    Cast Lead took a terrible toll. Missiles, bombs, shells, and illegal weapons were used against defenseless people. Mass slaughter and destruction followed.

    Horrific crimes of war and against humanity were committed. Responsible officials remain unaccountable. Security Council no-fly zone protection wasn’t ordered.

    Over 1,400 Gazans perished. More than 80% were civilians. Over 300 were children. Around 5,300 were injured. Over 1,600 were children or infants. Israel willfully targeted them.

    Neighborhoods, schools, universities, mosques, hospitals, UN facilities, fishing boats, civilian factories and workshops, municipal buildings, charitable foundations, civilian infrastructure, and other noncombatant sites were bombed and shelled.

    Farmland was bulldozed. Power facilities and irrigations systems were destroyed. International leaders were indifferent about human slaughter and suffering.

    if u are paying bank installment in time and have one and only one loyality,U ARE GOOD MAN.

  8. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ Maggu

    Look in the mirror, you will discover your ugliness in the words you use for others and how you respond to them. You are ugly!!

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    @RHR

    It’s not the Shia;s only which are being killed in Pak, more Sunni;s have been killed by them. Look up for the figures which the Pak authorities announced only yesterday on the TV and press media. And yes, 3 Mirzai;s were also killed.
    Why do you think the lives of Shias or Mirjai;s are more important than the lives of Sunni;s ?? Evidently you do not believe in humanity but sectarianism otherwise you wouldn’t speak for one or two factions but all.
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    If PTH is confined to Mirzai or Shia propaganda then it;s okay…because you can handle your dog as you like, However, it will be tantamount to disgracing yerself,,,,and the cause of universal humanity. Yes, why should you be concerned about Israel and its aggression?? Surely you are enemy of Pakistan and Muslims…you proved it so. You have no sympathey for the ruthless killing by isreal of innocent Palestinian children , men and women. Shame on you!!

  9. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ RHR

    yes, I know the name is pTh but you are serving shit over here!!
    Switch over to something decent as your propaganda campaign ostensibly under the cover of search for a ”peaceful Pak” is absurd and a fanciful thinking. If you want ”peace” come out on the streets of Pak and pronounce your agenda…the same agenda you swirl here and find for yerself where you whizz off!!

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    For kameena’s like you and the idle self made sufi;s Pak is made to suffer. If the Talibans were criminals then why the Pak govt (in collaboration with the US, ofcourse) is releasing them?? It;s becaue they are less fundamentalist and extrremist then you, the faithless cowards, the Mirzai KKK!!!

  10. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ maggu

    You haven;t proved your gender yet?? Why??
    do not be jealous of Rex’s and mine concordance on main issues….you can also join in. I love you too!!

  11. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ RHR

    Whether you are a liberal, a secular, a agnostic, a sufi, a nongnostic, or and atheist you are nothing but a rotten egg…like the guy in this story!!

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    The reasons for this secular revival are varied, but it seems clear that the Internet has helped, and many younger atheists cite the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks as a watershed moment of disgust with religious zealotry in any form. It is hard to say how many people are involved; avowed atheists are still a tiny sliver of the population. But people with no religious affiliation are the country’s fastest-growing religious category. When asked about religious affiliation in a Pew poll published this summer, nearly 20 percent of Americans chose “none,” the highest number the center has recorded. Many of those people would not call themselves atheists; “agnostic,” which technically refers to people who believe that the existence of a higher being can’t be known by the human mind, remains the safer option. The godless are now younger and more diverse than in the past, with blacks and Hispanics — once vanishingly rare — starting to appear in the ranks of national groups like the United Coalition of Reason and the
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/magazine/from-bible-belt-pastor-to-atheist-leader.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  12. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    No, I have not read the article you quoted about Sufis. I do not have the time to read a lot from the press other than the headlines in the European mass circulation Papers. But I know what sufism is to the extent that I found myself one fine morning infront of the shrine of Gul Baba in Budapest, a very well known sufi and a poet. He was one of the commanders in the Ottoman’s army which ruled the Buda and Pest for over two and a half century. In his later life he turned towards sufism and became a very popular poet among the people of Hungary. He was given the name Gul, since he brought the Rose plant to Europe from his home town in today’s Turkey.

    RHR is a very fine individual, there should be no doubt and I am sure that there are many like him in the country who wish no harm to their homeland, on the contrary they want it to be insolated from the extremism and be accepted as a moderate and progressive country, where minorities are at parity with majority. An admirable vision, the catch 22 is always how does one skin the cat?

    All three great religions of ONE God originated from the deserts of the middle east, but with the advent of Islam christianity was more or less pushed out of Arabia which then amassed its stregnth in Europe and spread through missionaries and naked force into Africa and the Americas. Today it is Islam once again which neither by intent or design challenges the hegemony of the christians in the world per say who have been dramaticaly weakened because of the weaknesses of the church and its loss of influence among the populace. The muslim world which represents Islam in one or other mode is though materialy very strong, its political ambitions and military potential have not been fully realised, developed and therefore do not match the power of the Zionists which has been accumulated during the 19th and the 20th centuries.

    This is the uwcalled for challenge for the Ummah which has neither participated in the industrial revolution nor in the renaisance which resulted in the aufklarung or enlightement brought humanism in the forefront in the European continent and beyond.

    The days of thousand and one nights are over and every so called muslim country has to decide individualy and eventualy collectively whether they want to live as the vassals of the powerful or to live as equals whose aim is to lead and not be led by others whose moral and ethical specifcations are not acceptable with the values of Islamic way of life. All the ingredients of freedom,equality, compassion and justice,and love of humanity are present in Islam. Let the Arab kings and dictators and the vassals of the colonialists make way for the change.

    Rex Minor

  13. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,
    The Gazaans and the jews of Israel have one thing in common, both people are living in prisons sorrounded by the enemies; Gazans by Israel and the jews of Israel sorrounded by arab states.

    The world is watching the rehearsl of what is to come in future; lethal missiles in Israeli cities and Israeli air attacks against Iran. What you posted previously about movements of Israel towards Germany indicates the current attack was well plnned by the Israelii Govt. who relies on calling reservist for the campaign, hence the news leakage by the army reservists.

    Rex Minor

  14. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    AKB, I wont be able to prove anything to you since I know the kind of ‘proof’ you have for all that you believe in.
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    And anyway, why should I? You think I care for what a fanatic child kiler, sitting in a maggot infested country, working off a mini browser think of me? I have bought my own gadgets, pay for my own bandwidth, live in a free country and am respected as a professional. No one tells me how to be a woman. Specially someone like you who waves the flag for killers, is probbly on a stolen cell phone and stealing bandwidth too. So don’t give a damn about what you, manure, transgender etc think.
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    I may be ugly pretty whatever, but I have 250 men working for me. And they are not the madrassa going scum like you, these are engineeer, mba, and scientists. I lead them to make significant contributions to society. So don’t worry about my ugliness, exchange your short salwar for a pair of trousers and start contributing to the world. I know you think you are contributing by reducing population, but try coming to our definition of contribution.
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    If I were you I would worry less about the khatraa to islam from mirzais since there is a god to take care of it and alla probably doesn’t need help from dwarves like you and manure. You folks better work to get educated and stop contributing to killers.
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    The amount of support that the child killers and floggers of women have among the general population of Pakistan really makes me wonder if its time for the world to hermetically seal your country and not allow entry into the civilized world. All of you are suspect till you prove otherwise.

  15. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Look in the mirror, you will discover your ugliness in the words you use for others and how you respond to them. You are ugly!!”
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    Let me fill the gaping holes in your non existent education:
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    - being pretty is not the only reason for which women exist. Perhaps the one you keep in the cage to breed with at home under a sheet do but not in the civilized world
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    - women can be pretty and smart too. I have won bikini contests.
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    - come out from under the wet rock where you live and discover that there are women who do not take shit from men and can beat up people like you with chappals to teach you respect for women
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    You are so much of a repressed murderer sympathizer that you cant even realize it yourself. You Pakistanis are quite like the nazi german population before ww2

  16. mustandan hussain tarad United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu bi,

    खुदा के वास्ते पर्दा न काबे से उठा ज़ालिम khuda ke waste parda na kabe se utha zaalim

    कहीं ऐसा न हो यहाँ भी वही काफ़िर सनम निकले kheen aisa na ho waan bhi wahi kaffir sanam nikle.

    pathar se na maar apne diwane ko.

  17. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Waah…waah. I didn’t get what you are trying to say but waah waah all the same

  18. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Maggu says:
    November 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    Waah…waah. I didn’t get what you are trying to say but waah waah all the same

    pathar se na maar apne diwane ko.

  19. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    I may be ugly pretty whatever, but I have 250 men working for me. And they are not the madrassa going scum like you

    madarssa education system was destroyed by britishers to spiritually enslave indians.1001 innovative inventions were made by madarssa goers.base of rennaince and modern europe is islamic civilization of europe.

    LORD MACAULAY’S ADDRESS TO BRITISH PARLIAMENT 2nd FEBRUARY 1835

    “I have travelled across length and Breadth of India and I have not seen aperson who is a beggar who is a thief. such a wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient educational system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and english is good and greater than their own way,they will lose their selfesteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them , a truly domintaed nation.

    ——————————————————————————–

  20. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Maggu says:
    November 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    Waah…waah. I didn’t get what you are trying to say but waah waah all the same

    this was written by mirza ghalib,just to make u happy i wrote.

  21. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ muggi
    <<<<>>>>

    Wow!! that;s great!! But who knows? Why don’t you post some links to your pictures so all can sooth their eyes???

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    God has deputed Men on earth to take care of what goes on there….and this is why man-made laws exist. Mirzai;s are a scourge of God, they are the filthiest traitors on earth, even worse than the Bahai;s. After all there is some good reason for ALL the Muslim Ummah to shun them and their stupid religious aberrations. Why don’t you admit it??
    RAB NAIRAY YA GHUSAN ie Which is nearer?? God or a Punch??? Ofcourse the punch, as far as this saying goes .. and the Mirjai KKK are getting it right!

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    so you are leading an army like that French Lady saint who was finally burnt on the stake?? Keep ready if you are doing something like her….
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    In your over estimation of the West why do you forget to mention what they were in their Dark Ages and to what they are turning into by gradual mental and systemic poisoning??? Already Sandy has taught the US a lesson ,,,a few more hurricanes like Sandy will surely make the ugliest (in mind) human believe in humanity and the Hereafter!!

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    Finally I await to seeing you in bikini or otherwise….plz let us see your marbles!!

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    indo-pak subcontinent is not manure…it is you who are sitting on a dunghill bragging about the vomited luxuries you have borrowed from others
    We the indo=pak people are at least serving our own respective countries and remember!! East or West Home is the best!!

    Akber Allahbadi’s foll verse was perhaps written for people like you
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    HUAY IS QADAR MUHAZZIB
    KABHI GHAR KA MOONH NA DEKHA
    KATEE UMR HOTELOAN MEIN
    MURAY HUSPITAAL JA KAR!!

    ;
    MAGGU SHARM KAR
    KHUDA SE DAR
    JAB TU MARAY GEE
    TERI BIKNI JAYE GEE UTAR!!

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  22. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    DO SO PACHAAS MARDOAN PER JO HAAWI HO
    WOH KABHI AURAT HO NAHI SAKTI
    APNI TU JIS SE DHUL SAKTI NAHI
    250 KEE WOH DHO NAHI SAKTI!!

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    INTELLECTUALS, PROFESSIONALS OR SCIENTISTS
    KEE FAUJ E ZAFAR MAUJ LEEAY PHIRTEE HE
    KIA SAMAJHTI HE HAMEING SAALI BIKNEE WALEE??
    HUM WOH HEIN JO KARTE HEIN IN SAB PER PISS!!

  23. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ maggi

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    this is YOU!!
    [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/33madg7.jpg[/IMG]

  24. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    How rational is this??

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    - America is capitalist and greedy – yet half of the population is subsidized.
    – Half of the population is subsidized – yet they think they are victims.
    – They think they are victims – yet their representatives run the government.
    – Their representatives run the government – yet the poor keep getting poorer.
    – The poor keep getting poorer – yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
    – They have things that people in other countries only dream about – yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

  25. xd United States Mozilla Firefox Mac OS says:

    akb,

    I find it strange that you’re also into bashing us Chinese (it’s PRC, not RoC aka Taiwan) as if you’re a defender of American national interest.

  26. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    Petros, the adulterer has spoken! The ground is now being prepared for the impeachment of the 1st Afro-American President. I have watched Senator Grahmm performance over years, he is like a terrier, once he bites he does not let go. Obama was apparently aware before the election campaign ended that it was Al Queda group which struck the American consulate in Ben Gazi and killed the USA ambassador despite him requesting for help one week before, which did ot arrive.

    Help was on the way to new jersy people who were hit by the storm.

    Rex Minor

  27. RHR United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Akb
    There is a thing known as decency. I have always been polite. But I think it is too hard for people like you.

  28. RHR United States Safari Mac OS says:

    People like you belong in a mental hospital. If you don’t have the basic decency a d common courtesy then go to hell.

  29. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ RHR

    you seem to have lost control over your tongue..too bad!!
    Is this the way your belief leads you into the ‘vale of freedom of speech;”??
    Bastards here speak filth about Islam, Muslims and Pakistan but you are blinded to their depositions. What a hypocrite you are I am amazed to note from the mile wide difference between your words and deeds!
    You are not ashamed at the brutal killing of innocent people in GAza by the brute missilings of insane Israel! Aren’t they the Gazaans human beings , the same as Indo-Pakistani’s?? You make No point while discussing Pakistan or Muslims: it;s all regurgitation all the time, the same Old G’mother’s tale, the same stale stuff, the same targeted issue which buggers you all the time!!
    Paper tigers (nay Web Balloons) like you are serveing nothing, they have nothing to convey, nothing convincing to state except their own frustrations, their own failures, their own travails, miseries and mental diseases. You can’t see beyond your flat nose. You can’t see what abuse others hurl at me….but you object to my reaction to their damn uglies! I want you to suffer,,,suffer until you get scorched in the cryogenic hell of your armchair!

  30. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    SOME QUOTES ABOUT DECENCY FOR RHR

    .
    It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
    H. L. Mencken

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    A woman drove me to drink and I didn’t even have the decency to thank her.
    W. C. Fields

    …………
    Decency must be an even more exhausting state to maintain than its opposite. Those who succeed seem to need a stupefying amount of sleep.
    Quentin Crisp

    Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.
    H. L. Mencken

    ……………..
    Never assume, no matter how strong the temptation, that other people are low-life lying manipulators without a shred of human decency.
    Dinesh D’Souza

    ……
    Everything goes by the board: honor, pride, decency to get the book written.
    William Faulkner

    ………………
    I had a marketing idea that everybody hated, decency is sexy.
    James L. Brooks

    ………………
    Alabama citizens, like the vast majority of Americans, respect and value the meaning of decency, and appreciate public institutions that reflect the common values of our society.
    Mike Rogers

    ………..
    The Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act of 2004 helps address the continuing degradation on the broadcast airwaves and helps send a clear message to the broadcast industry that Alabama families, like the rest of American families, have had enough.
    Mike Rogers

    ……………
    I would like above any other place to go to Hartford. I want to face the conservatism there centered and compel it into decency.
    Victoria Woodhull

    ………….
    If you don’t believe in God, all you have to believe in is decency. Decency is very good. Better decent than indecent. But I don’t think it’s enough.
    Harold MacMillan

  31. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ xd

    NO, I HAVEN’T TOUCHED THE CHINESE YET!!

  32. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ RHR

    you seem to have lost control over your tongue..too bad!!

    Is this the way your belief leads you into
    the ‘vale of freedom of speech;”??
    Bastards here speak filth about Islam,
    Muslims and Pakistan but you are blinded
    to their depositions. What a hypocrite you
    are I am amazed to note from the mile wide
    difference between your words and deeds!
    You are not ashamed at the brutal killing
    of innocent people in GAza by the brute
    missilings of insane Israel! Aren’t they
    the Gazaans human beings , the same as
    Indo-Pakistani’s?? You make No point
    while discussing Pakistan or Muslims:
    it;s all regurgitation all the time,
    the same Old G’mother’s tale, the same
    stale stuff, the same targeted issue
    which buggers you all the time!!
    Paper tigers (nay Web Balloons) like you
    are serveing nothing, they have nothing
    to convey, nothing convi
    ncing to state except their own frustrations,
    their own failures, their own travails,
    miseries and mental diseases.
    You can’t see beyond your flat nose.
    You can’t see what abuse others hurl at me….
    but you object to my reaction to their damn uglies!
    I want you to suffer,,,suffer until you get
    scorched in the cryogenic hell of your armchair!

  33. RHR United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Akb

    My reaction was because of your personal attacks against me. See the thread above and you will understand what I am saying. I have never been rude and moreover what you and others hurl each other is not my business.
    There is no bravery in being rude on Internet. And by being rude you are showing how immature you are.

  34. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    RHR did not mean what he said. He was just thinking loudly.

    Our Geist(Soul+ mind)takes the direction most of the times in accordance to what was pre-determined for us by God the almighty one. This is not to deny that the knowledge, research and experience in life also influences our actions nor the fact that the Evil does not have the free pass to move into the minds of those who are weak in their character and therefore succumb to act for a period which does not represent their faith nor healthy thinkig.

    Watch how the Arab leadership is moving their position towards the palestinian leadership of Hamas as well as towards Israel, who for the first time is being called a terrorist state by the Turkish Prime Minister. It is strange that any human can remain passive given the situation that the occupying power is targetting infants, little children and entire families in Gaza who are denie access to the outer world neither from land nor from sea, whose crime is simply that they were born like their forefathers in the land where olives and oranges grow.

    You are the first enlightened one I have come across from the land of avatars which has lived several civilisations before Islam came and made great progress during Moghul period and that after independence from the colonialists. It is your land that has today one of the most advanced Nuclear scienists in the world which have placed both India and Pakistan equal to the nuclear powers of the world. This feat is neither recognised nor appreciated by their citizens.
    If I were you I would not take either personal attacks or those against Islam with anger or abuses since this is very natural for the Evil to confront you as you develope further your insight into the world of propaganda and information and when your express your conclusions.
    You will soon have the power to be able to recognise the evil as it approaches you and one day you shall be one of those from whom the Evil will shy away.

    May God bless you to that level.

    Rex Minor

  35. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    its halal to target kids as long as they have pubic hair – at least let’s not disrespect Islam by making haram what Allah has made halal. Let’s be consistent. Allah does not distinguish between Kuffar and Muslims.

  36. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    REX U ARE VERY RIGHT…….. The whole world hates the shitty little state of Israel and its Satanic child killers.

  37. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    I love the smart people of Israel and how they have managed to survive and thrive in a desert with enemies all around them. If I were an arab state I would learn from them and take their help to raise people out of poverty. That would stop hate

  38. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    Israel is a terrorist state, speaks out the Prime Miister of Turkey. From Mr noon of the UNO to the secretary of state of the Imperial America, and leaders of the former colonialist powers of 19th and 20th centuries have been providing support to Israel security which is the occupier of the Palestine land in preference to the people of Palestine who are the victims of occupation, while brandig their leadership as terrorists.

    No sir, the blood of children will move heavens and the earth not oly in Arabia but across the world. The status of the injustice in the holy land of prophets of God who brought scriptures to the world is no longer acceptable by the arabia youth in the 21st century. Too late for Hillary Clinton and too late for macheavillean politicians to make a spin once again.
    By definition, patriotism can never be arrational, but nationalism has been and still is the obstacle to peace.

    Rex Minor

  39. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    PS
    Areal Sharon once said to a visiting jewish journalist from Germany that he knows that there is nothig worst than being born a Jew.End of quote.

  40. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Jews are the original inhabitants of the holy lands. No other religion was even born when jews gave the prophets to the world. They have every right to be where they are after being persecuted in every corner of the world.
    .
    And that, is the reason for it being unlucky to be born a jew.

  41. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu bi,original inhabitants of palestine are semitic jews who are blood brothers of palestine arabs,lived with them side by side as brothers for thousands of years.all of them opposed the arrival of ashknazi jews or european jews.they are zoinist.they came to control oil bussines.before they wanted to go uganda.mainly are from poland.had no historical connection with palestine.arabs welcomed them in beginning like we are welcoming corporates now days.
    they are secret perpetuators of all holocaust.contols the media.earn money through slave trade.i think u have to read more about them.they should realize,now their game is over.they can demolish few buildings
    kill few thousand women and children but cannot win the war.europeans transferred their problem to middle east.russian jews have already understand the game and are returing back in large numbers.semitic jews can stay.arabs are generous.dubai is hindu majority city.they also believe that god expelled them.HE will bring them.till then wait.
    they have many many positive qualities as well.but treat semitic jews like hindus treat women/shudras.

  42. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    ariel sharon supervised many mascares and wars in the region.now in coma from last 6 years.god is punishing him for hurting their children.

  43. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu war and violence will bring nothing to them, they should sit on negotiation table and sort their matter peacefully and honestly with their neighbours.america cannot come to their rescue all the time.all the time time they cannot remain powerful.time changes.isreal is reality but expansion should stop.

  44. Pankaj India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Tajender
    .
    Palestine is a LOST CAUSE for Islam and Muslims
    .
    Do you even know about the DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES in WEST BANK
    and How it will become Jewish Majority in Ten years
    .
    GAZA is Already doomed
    .
    Arabs and Muslims are fighting AMONGST themselves
    such as SHIA – SUNNI conflict

  45. Pankaj India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Tajender
    .
    IN the LAST few days of this current Gaza conflict
    HOW MANY OIC and ARAB league meetings have happened

    .
    The SYRIA Conflict and the impending IRAN war has
    COMPLETELY Divided the Muslim world

  46. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    The SYRIA Conflict and the impending IRAN war has
    COMPLETELY Divided the Muslim world

    u are right.at the end it is always a war between haves and haves not.

  47. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Tajender
    .
    Palestine is a LOST CAUSE for Islam and Muslims
    .
    Do you even know about the DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES in WEST BANK
    and How it will become Jewish Majority in Ten years
    .
    GAZA is Already doomed
    villain is always beaten at the end.gaza is not doomed.gaza will remain.their intention is to occupy west bank and give east bank and gaza to palestanians.original kissinger plan.

    let us see.rockets are falling in diplomatic enclaves of tel aviv.
    israelis are ready to kill and plestanians are ready to die.OBAMA REFUSED TO PAY ONE DOLLAR TO ISRAELIS.

  48. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Yes,
    Demographic is a real problem, not for the palestinians but the jews who being nomadic folks are restless people and have been wandering around the planet. They never had a State of their own for thousands of years and they shall never have one, so is written in Tora, say the orthodox jewish theologists. The zionists do not believe in such prophecies and have carved out a state, have become a Goliath with nuclear weapons and want security gurantees from the world.

    They showed us a palestinian father of middle age in the documentry film of 2008 Gaza episode rescuing his ten children from the Israeli bombardment and after delivering them in a school building, returning with his tractor with a trailer to look for his other ten grown-up children to see if they need help. Dumme Zeug, demographics!

    If only jews could on average have two or three children a family, they could suvive the 21st century.

    Rex Minor

  49. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    A new British-based Islamist group plans to meet in Islamabad to issue a religious decree against a Pakistani schoolgirl shot by the Taliban, accusing her of supporting “occupying” US forces.

    The move against Malala Yousufzai, 15, is likely to provoke outrage. In the days following her shooting in October, she became an international icon and world leaders pledged to support her campaign for girls’ education.

    “There will be a fatwa issued regarding Malala Yousufzai taking into account the full story of her injury including her public statements in support of the occupying U.S. army in the region and mocking of key symbols of Islam such as hijab and jihad,” said Abu Baraa, a senior member of Shariah4Pakistan.

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    2:00 As Malala recovers in UK hospital, growing support for her The group, whose website features a blog below a photograph of Yousufzai in a hospital bed titled “Don’t Believe The Crocodile Tears for Malala Yousufzai”, is associated with some of Britain’s most hardline Islamists.

    Anjem Choudary, a prominent radical cleric in Britain, said the fatwa could be issued on November 30 at Lal Masjid, one of Pakistan’s most notorious mosques, where a 2007 army raid crushed a Taliban-style movement controlling the compound.

    The mosque’s deputy head, Maulana Amir Siddique, denied the group would hold such a conference but organisers insisted they did not need permission to gather in a public place of worship.

    Yousufzai is recovering in a British hospital.

    Neither Baraa nor Choudary would say what punishment Yousufzai might face if the group found her guilty of violating Islam.

    “Nobody is saying we are going to get out our swords and go and look for Malala… The point is a wider issue: it is about the American and Pakistani involvement in maintaining the British and American interests …,” Choudary told Reuters.

    “Malala is one of the issues we are going to be addressing because she is being used as a propaganda tool by the enemies of Muslims to say: ‘Look, Muslims don’t believe in education’ which is absurd.”

    Tens of thousands of Britons have called on the government to nominate Yousufzai for a Nobel Peace Prize for her work promoting girls’ education.

    Her shooting was the culmination of years of campaigning that had pitted the young girl against one of Pakistan’s most ruthless Taliban commanders, Maulana Fazlullah.

    Fazlullah and his men had taken over Yusufzai’s native Swat Valley and have blown up girls’ schools and publicly executed those they deem immoral. An army offensive in Swat forced many Taliban fighters to flee.

  50. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ TAJENDER

    MALALA CASE IS A POLITICAL STUNT…..HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN EDUCATION.
    THE SWATI’S ARE AGAINST LIBERAL TEACHING AND TRAINING TO GALS AND BOYS AND WANT THEIR OWN SYLLABUS TO BE INDUCTED. BUT DUE TO PAKISTAN STILL PASSING THROUGH WAR CONDITIONS IN THAT AREA AND FARTHER UP THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO HAVE THEIR WISHES.
    MALALA WAS USED AS A TOOL TO GET FUNDS AND GORDON BROWN HAS ALREADY COLLECTED AND DONATED $1,5 bILLION AND CAMPAIGN FOR MORE IS IN PROGRESS.
    ONLY A FOOL WILL AGREE THAT THIS FUND WILL BE SPENT ON EDUCATION WHICH IS NOT ONLY A PROBLEM IN THE BACKWARD VALLEY OF SWAT AND MINGORA BUT ALSO EVERYWHERE IN PAKISTAN. EDUCATION IS ALLOTTED JUST 2 5 OF THE GDP AND YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE THE STANDARD EDUCATION THAT COULD BE ATTAINED WITH THAT TRANCHE MORESO WHEN THE FUNDS ARE SKEWED MORE TOWARDS HIGHER EDUCATION!
    .
    RECOMMENDING NOBEL FOR MALALA OR HIS FATHER WOULD BE A JOKE!!

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