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Gaza and Pakistan

Raza Habib Raja

As a liberal, I believe we should be consistent across issues. There is absolutely no way can I justify what Israel has done over the years. It has usurped Palestinian land and has indulged in severe human rights violations. Moreover extremely biased support of United States for Israel has enabled it to simply ignore the rest of the world. Let us not forget, that there have been numerous resolutions in the United Nations where the only two parties opposing it were USA and Israel.

Whereas I do condemn Israel, but at the same time there is nothing praiseworthy about militant tactics used by Hamas. It is an extremist organization which has always resorted to violence and has indulged in blatant terrorism not only against Israeli citizens but also against some of the Palestinians.

However, while I can understand the outrage which Israel draws globally, particularly in the Muslim world, I have never been able to fathom Pakistani hyper emotional and selective response. Right now as I write these sentences, almost all across urban Pakistan there is severe resentment against Israel and people are expressing anger through various mediums. Social media like Facebook and Twitter are literally replete with mentions of what is happening in Gaza.

To a certain extent, it is understandable because Islam lends a sort of commonality amongst Muslims across the globe irrespective of sectarian, ethnic and political differences. Secondly, over the years, the issue has been framed in such a narrative that all Pakistanis feel an instinctive empathy towards Palestine. Thirdly, human suffering anywhere has the power to move fellow humans and particularly of those who share a common ethnicity or religion with us.

I will not reiterate which some of the Pakistani liberals are saying “that Pakistanis do not have a right to object or even feel for Palestine because the situation is worse in their own country”. Our feelings of empathy are often instinctive and these are not a matter of right. Human misery, particularly of those with whom we share something will always move us.

However, I will definitely agree with their contention that whereas Pakistanis feel really aggrieved over what happens thousands of miles away, we are almost completely oblivious of what is happening in our own country. Right now all across countries, Shiites are being massacred and yet there is hardly even recognition of this horrific tragedy. Those who are being killed are our brothers and sisters and yet I do not see any sort of condemnation.

What I have seen consistently is either shameless insensitivity or outright denial where everything is simply blamed on outside forces. Why is that something which is happening so far away is moving us while something far more sinister in own backyard is being simply ignored?

Our TV anchors, our newspapers and even the so called liberal government of PPP, all are quiet and simply unable to do anything about our own miseries.

Yes there is a deeper connection between Gaza and Pakistan and that is not what I mentioned earlier. It has been rightly pointed out: Pakistan is the Gaza for all the minorities who are getting butchered here. And yet while real Gaza draws condemnation, this Gaza does not.

I understand why the real Gaza draws our sympathies but I continue to be dumbfounded over why this Gaza does not. More so because what is happening in Gaza is out of the locus of our control and what is happening here can be potentially addressed.

My Pakistani brother and sisters! Yes do protest about what is happening in Gaza but for once also ponder about your own country and its minorities. Here you may be in a position to actually do something. As Pakistan cedes space to maniacs who are killing in the name of their version of Islam, soon you will also be on the receiving end.

Think and act before it spirals out of control and your own street becomes another Gaza.

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55 Responses to "Gaza and Pakistan"

  1. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    What’s wrong in conquering land? Just follow Allah’s rule and things should be fine.

  2. Mustafa United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    I agree with the article, and we have to condemn all human suffering regardless of where it is. Also it is true people are silent on mass killing of shias, its sad.

    However disagree with calling Hamas a terorist organization, all they are doing is resisting the Israeli occupation. Resisting occupiers is a right given by the United Nations and human rights to all human beings.

  3. akb Pakistan Safari Unknow Os says:

    @RHR
    YOU stated it was not for pth to see beond Pak, why are you eating crows now??
    Your post is full of insincerity in the matter when u use the word ‘framed’ to deny the truth. You hve also made a futile attempt to co relate Gaza with Pak.
    Oppression of the majjority can be clearly seen in what a minority of less than 10 percent of majority is doing to paralyse the whole country….
    Minorities in Pak are not like Gazaan’s as none of their land has been usurped ….
    Nobody can stop them to shoot at their own feet ………

  4. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    No other country or a political establishment ha more liberals in their fold than the Imperial America. Its current leader has not only set forth the policies of his predecessor conservative George W, but radicalised further American foreign policy simply to prove that a Black leader is capable of doing worst than what the white can do. More drones in operation over the skies of the Pashtun land and those of the Yeminites and several other muslim countries. Hamas is a terrorist organisation says the American and the Israeli Govt. heads. Israel is a terrorist state says the Turkish Prime Minister, it is a matter of time when America shall also be declared publicly by many as a Terrorist enterprise and as soon as it recognises the UNO criminal court at Hague we shall witness Americas on trial as well for its target killings which both Israel and the Americans follow.

    Of the Ibrahimic faith in ONE God, Islam is the most liberal of the three, history is the evidence when non-believers pagans were annhilated in Europe, Africa and Americas by christian armies, whereas, the Persians, Ottomans and Moghul empires encouraged coexistance wherever they ventured. In Pakistan and several other muslim countries including Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states it is the absence of a dialogue in their societies which encourages radicalism and violence. one would think that the liberals in the media should be in the forefront to encourage a dialogue which could improve the tolerence among various factions and ethnic divide.

    Noth personal, just the views of an observer.

    Rex Minor

  5. MAHEE United States Opera Mini Unknow Os says:

    pakistan is the gaza for minorities totallyyy agreed with you!no better line could describe pakistan more. I sense this insensitivity as well and its a crucially dark matter. if actually we have not become so insensitive towards a fellow pakistani.are we not supposed come out on roads and protest against this massacre of pakistani lives! But may be jst like our governments we have forgotten our lifes worth as well…or may be we have become what is actually visibly clear an ” emotionless cold blooded” society of animals coexisting with each other.. Only just like rule of jungle : the rule of this society of animals is kill the weak ones butcher the minorities and eat them!

  6. MAHEE United States Opera Mini Unknow Os says:

    it not the worlds attention that can change pakistani gaza’s situation but an eye opening ceremony for the paksitani citizens featuring the grave ground realities followed by this awakening message : that we need an explosive change! Earth shattering ground breaking wala change .otherwise there is not gonna be much difference btw taliban’s afghanistan and palestinian gaza and current state of pakistan.

  7. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Mahee,

    The situation of a country is never comparable with that of others in a different land. More than fourty children were refused to live their childhood in their own land and the one who miscaculated the response from Gazans who made a mockery of the American supplied Iron Dome, sending Tel Aviv strollers running for their life. Israel might of drum beat against Iran collapsed, Israel capitulated, withdrew its mechanised machinery and Ehud Barack resigned,

    In the opinion of many, Pakistan Govt is run by a corrupt political clique, is neither reliable nor have any credibility either with their neighbours nor the foreigners. They could enter into a National dialogue among all sections of societies and show tolerance towards one another. Why must there be protest and condemnation marches, in place of a dialogue? They must clean up the remnants of coloialism and ensure that their education institutions turn out a developed individual.

    Rex Minor

  8. akb Pakistan Safari Unknow Os says:

    @Rex

    yours makes sense….

  9. akb Pakistan Safari Unknow Os says:

    @ makhee

    Are the deviate Mirjais the only minority to make storm in a teacup?? Grow up n think abt all……all humanity…..before u found no place on earth to live.

  10. RHR United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    AKB

    This article too is more about Pakistan rather than Israel. It is merely refering to Israel and Gaza to point out to a more urgent and far more pressing situation at home!

    And btw your hatred against Ahmedis is shameless. What have they done to you or Pakistan. It is a peaceful community ho has nnever harmed Pakistan. look at your favourite wahabis and deobandis…they have killed and are the major cause of sectarian violence.

  11. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    @ rex minor ” when you say ::”"**They could enter into a National dialogue among all sections of societies and show tolerance towards one another. Why must there be protest and condemnation marches, in place of a dialogue? They must clean up the remnants of coloialism and ensure that their education institutions turn out a developed individual”"**.
    i am sure your opinion is quiet meaningful and worth following , but when i say protest i mean showing solidarity with your fellow pakistani! i dont know if you have any idea about the ground realities of pakistan!in balochistan almost 3000-4000 members of hazara community have been killed, for two reason 1.they are minority, 2.they are shia, almost 4000 punjabis have been killed in balochistan, because they were punjabis living on baloch land, i lost my father in this so i know what its like!1123 pakistanis have been target killed in this year now.. every shia every punjabi, every ahmadi that has been killed on this land i can feel their pain, i can feel the pain of gazan too.i have lost three family members in this game one in name of punjabi killig,one in name of ahmadi killing, one for both the reason.are you telling me that when one family member dies the situation of a gazan family is differnt from the situation of family in pakistan, well i think i know that they both are crying and they are both victims of brutallity and extrmism here they both are powerless here, they both are miserable!! and when i say protest for your fellow pakistani, i seriously mean that because Pakistan’s govt is not the only ruling body , there is one Beaurocratic faction, one Military leadership faction,one religious faction, they all are ruling it..so even if govt will try to do anything it will be unable to do so , it is inefficient and incapable of doing anything !!The national dialogue should be amongst these different ruling factions of this country not the every national and i know its impossible making them sit on one table ‘impossible!!
    Therefore i honestly believe its high time, and if Pakistanis have still some morality and generosity remaining in them they should come out and rebel against this butchering themselves and show solidarity with their fellow victim families.
    “”Atrocities,murders,persecutions in no matter what part of the world they are happening the human emotion is the same, the loss is the same”" the gloom is not a political phenomenon neither an economic one it cant be demarcated with boundaries! i wish their could be a boundary beyond which nothing such could reach but there is no such boundary.its a mortal’s phenomenon in no matter which country he is..

  12. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    pakistan is worse than gaza because here people like akb exist who have lost every last peice of humanity that remained in them! when the writer says ” However, I will definitely agree with their contention that whereas Pakistanis feel really aggrieved over what happens thousands of miles away, we are almost completely oblivious of what is happening in our own country. Right now all across countries, Shiites are being massacred and yet there is hardly even recognition of this horrific tragedy. Those who are being killed are our brothers and sisters and yet I do not see any sort of condemnation”"
    he is totally spot on here have eyes of people pakistan gone blind are they not seeing the massacre of shiites side by side with gaza!are they making a fool out of themselves by saying nothing is wrong in pakistan and pitying on gaza!what is wrong with them , have they lost their near view sight, or have have they acclimated themselves with the killing.Because if they have Pakistan is worsr than gaza way more worse!in gaza they are together against israel but in pakistan , no body is with any one every one is on their acclimated to the new killing environment around them!their is one wahabi who doesnt care shia gets killed, one deobandi who doesnt care when shia gets killed, one baloch who doesnt care when his best friend a punjabi gets killed, one memon who doesnt care when his felllow gets killed!!

  13. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Mahee,
    I have no intention to criticise you or any one else on PTH. We think differently, speak different languages and have a different cultural background. But we can only communicate productively through a civil dialogue and show of tolerance without the threat of force or coersion. Now tell me if this is what is being practiced in Pakistan? From the reports in the press and the views of the bloggers one cannot ascertain it. Pakistan is a country of multi-ethnic, multi-language and multi-cultural but the majority having Islam as their faith, which is more or less similar to what India has except that its majoriy is of Hindu background. This is the reality, the colonialism was a bad dream, you people have everything going for you in your favour, the right leadership and the courage is needed to ride into the 21st century.

    Not ignoring the piece of physics that we are moving from the order of the past to the disorder of the future. More natural desasters, more wars with more casualties.

    Rex Minor

    PS I am very sorry about your personal loss. The use of mlitary against civiliians is a mistake.

  14. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    RHR

    YOU HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR HATE TOWARDS MUSLIMS AS IF THEY ALONE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TROUBLE IN GAZA OR AROUND THE WORLD. YOU FORGOT TO NOTE THAT IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO, EVERY ACTION HAS A EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION. IN BETWEEN THE LINES AS WELL AS OPENLY YOU ARE CONDEMNING THE MUSLIMS AND ADULATING THE ISRAELIS AND IT IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF.

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    AS FOR MIRZAI;S YOU FEIGN NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY SPEW ABOUT MUSLIMS AND FOLLOWERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS. THEY ARE BLATANTLY REFUTING ALL NORMS AND LAWS OF THE WORLD ,,,IN PAKISTAN THEY BLATANTLY REFUTE THE PARLIAMENT , THE CONSTITUTION, THE LAW OF THE LAND, THE SUPREME COURT AND IN SHORT EVERYONE WHICH IS NON MIRZAI. THEY HAVE THE SAME OUTLOOK IN INDIA AND OTHER PLACES,,,,THEY UNDERMINE THE STATUS OF HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD, LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS,,,,,,UNASHAMEDLY STATE THAT ALL RELIGIONS ARE DEAD RELIGIONS WITHOUT THEIR FALSE FROFET, IN HAVE ALREADY POSTED ALL THIS IN THE WORDS OF MIRJA GHULLA HISSELF ….AND ALL THIS AND MORE IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO CONDEMN THESE HERETICS AS SHAMELESS IDIOTS AND ENEMIES OF ISLAM.
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    TELL ME WHAT GRIEVANCES YOU HAVE AGAINST THE OTHER MUSLIM SECTS AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN PLEASE TO PERUSE THEM AND COMMENT. NOW DON’T TELL ME THAT THE TALIBANS ARE WAHABI;S OR DEOBANDIS,,,,IF THEY ARE COME WITH PROOF AND TELL ME ABOUT THEIR EDITS WHICH DEVIATE FROM FUNDAMENTALS OF THE QURAN AND THE UMMAH SO I CAN EVALUATE AND COMMENT.

    ….

    SINCE TE MIRZAI’S REFUTE EVERYTHING MUSLIM AND CALL ALL PEOPLE NON MUSLIMS OR KAFIRS EXCEPT THE MIRZAIS I AS A MUSLIM GET HURT AND HAVE TO CORRECT THESE HERETIC UNRULY MIRZAI’S. MOREOVER, WHY DON’T YOU TELL ME WHAT THE HECK IS FOR YOU TO ENTERTAIN THESE DAMNED ACCURSED MIRZAI DEVIATES ON THIS FORUMS UNLESS YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SHAMELESS MORONS!

  15. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Obama Legalizes The Illegal, Targets Innocents

    By Ismail Salami

    27 November, 2012
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    Wikileaks founder Julian Assange was bitterly right when he said US president Barack Obama “seems to be a nice man, and that is precisely the problem” and aptly described him as a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”.

    Under the pretext of combating terrorism, Obama has followed in the footsteps of former President George Bush and even intensified the killer drone attacks in different parts of the world, a move which has terminated in the unfortunate deaths of multitudes of innocent people. President Obama argues that the drone strikes are focused efforts to exterminate people who are on a list of active terrorists and that they have not caused huge human losses.

    Pakistani lawyer Shahzad Akbar, who represents families of civilians killed in US killer drone strikes, says, “Either President Obama is lying to the nation, or he is too naive, to believe on the reports which CIA is presenting to [him].”

    In a similar strain, Medea Benjamin, co-founder of CODEPINK has said:

    “So many people who spoke out against George [W.] Bush’s extraordinary rendition and Guantánamo and indefinite detention have been very quiet when it comes to the Obama administration, who is not putting people in those same kind of conditions, instead is just taking them out and killing them. So we need to make people speak up and say that when Obama says this [program] is on a tight leash, this is not true, this is a lie.”

    Only in Pakistan, Obama has authorized over 300 drone attacks and has killed innocent civilians. A new study by Stanford Law School and New York University’s School of Law shows that the killer “drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective.” Besides, the study calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low – about 2%. The report says Washington is misrepresenting drone strikes as “a surgically precise and effective tool that makes the US safer,” saying that in reality, “there is significant evidence that US drone strikes have injured and killed civilians.”

    In a 29-page report to the United Nations Human Rights Council, Philip Alston, the United Nations special representative on extrajudicial executions, called on the United States to exercise greater restraint in its use of drones.

    “I’m particularly concerned that the United States seems oblivious to this fact when it asserts an ever-expanding entitlement for itself to target individuals across the globe. But this strongly asserted but ill-defined license to kill without accountability is not an entitlement which the United States or other states can have without doing grave damage to the rules designed to protect the right to life and prevent extrajudicial executions.”

    Considered the most extensive effort by the UN to deal with the legal aspects of armed drones, the report says:

    “Because operators are based thousands of miles away from the battlefield, and undertake operations entirely through computer screens and remote audio-feed, there is a risk of developing a ‘PlayStation’ mentality to killing.”

    In parallel with the illegal CIA-operated killer drone attacks in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq and many other secret destinations, Obama has initiated a system of silent killings in Iran by imposing sanctions which have indirectly but agonizingly targeted the Iranian patients, endangering the lives of 6 million people and claiming the lives of many. On November 26, Dr. Seyed Alireza Marandi, President of the Academy of Medical Sciences, wrote a letter to Ban Ki-Moon, the UN Secretary General and voiced grave concern over the health of the ailing people in Iran and called on him to take necessary steps for the effective removal of the sanctions so brutally targeting the Iranian patients.

    Besides, Obama is a source of shame to the black race as they are being increasingly targeted by brutality and hate crimes. According to a report released by the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of hate groups has continued to grow. The center, which has kept track of such groups for 30 years, recorded 1,018 hate groups operating in 2011. Last year, the center tracked 1,274 of those groups, up from 824 the year before.

    “They represent both a kind of right-wing populist rage and a left-wing populist rage that has gotten all mixed up in anger toward the government,” said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center and the author of the report.

    Although the report traces the ‘stunning rise’ in hate crimes to antagonism towards Obama, it seems a far-fetched assumption as social unrest is rife in the country and it well accounts for a considerable percentage of the crimes committed on a daily basis in the United States. In July 2012, a gunman in a gas mask and bullet-proof vest killed 12 and wounded dozens more at a midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises movie. He did not target black people and his shooting spree can be but seen in the light of some social insecurity brought about by a warmongering government rather than stemming from a feeling of hatred conceived towards Obama. Ergo, the rise in hate crimes is not limited to the black race only. Like a sort of canker, hatred is eroding the very fabric of the American society, a society being fed by a government’s perennial sense of antagonism for this or that race or religion. James Holmes, the Batman killer, is indeed the ‘bane’ of this warmongering government bequeathed as an accursed legacy from Bush to Obama who instead of returning the genie to bottle fed and nurtured it.

    As the situation stands, the promises Obama made to the American people and the Muslim community ostensibly went to waste as he made no tangible efforts to eliminate poverty in the US and deracinate Islamophobia in the country and the West. On the contrary, he has consciously augmented the phenomenon to a degree of inconceivable horror. For instance, the only reaction he showed to the sacrilegious act of the Quran burning in Afghanistan at the hands of a bunch of sadomasochist reservists and the massacre of innocent Afghans went no further than a few words of apology.

    Thus, Obama is committing crimes against humanity under the guise of ‘a nice man’; as ‘a wolf in sheep’s clothing’, he is making every brazen effort to legalize the illegal and justify the unjustifiable.

    As a peace Nobelist, Obama is indeed a man dressed in borrowed robes. Needless to say, those who awarded him with the peace prize should now be hanging their heads low in shame.

    Dr. Ismail Salami is an Iranian writer, Middle East expert, Iranologist and lexicographer. He writes extensively on the US and Middle East issues and his articles have been translated into a number of languages.

  16. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    it only take kuffar to tango because tango is haram. Muhammed never did tango, only jews kids did tango and they were islamically punished for that.

  17. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    break the cycle, give truth to your children for a change…

  18. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    AKB,

    I admire you for keeping you head intact while others loose theirs because of emotional response to your freedom of expression about a certain group of people simply because they passionately support this group. This is logic but not understandable. Perhaps one of these days you will tell these people about the cause of your grievences.

    I find it strange that PTH liberals do not spot the foreign press which you see, nor condemn the crimes which George W and Obama have undertaken against the Ummah the followers of the most powerful force of Islam on this planet and beyond.
    Both Bush and Obama have been squarely defeated by no other than the force of the “Resistance”, call it Talibans if one will; American second lethal force of diplomatic corps which became the bastion of the Zionists also suffered under Obama by the death of the US ambassador in Libya. For the alleged cover up Obama is heading for impeachment and if God the almighty one wills it.

    Hamas has resisted the goliath and the powerful ones in Arabia are now rallying around Mashal. The new Caesar in the arab world whom Nathanyahoo trie to murder with poison and then rescued 15 years ago only to capitulate against his DIY reckets.

    Rex Minor

  19. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Ummah really needs to stop selling oil to kuffar…Allah would surely appreciate that…

  20. truth power United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    rex minor sahab, WHY DOES AKB KI BULLSHIT INSPIRE YOU SO MUCH!!NON STOP BLABBERING CAN BE DONE BY ANY PSYSHOTIC CASE! WHY DONT YOU GO VIST THE NEAREST MENTAL FACILITY TO YOUR HOUSE! IM SURE YOU,LL FIND ALOT OF GOOD FRIENDS LIKE A K B !!WHO MAKE NO SENSE YET THEY KEEP ON TALKING AND THINK THE WORLD IS LISTENING TO THEM!IF YOU CAN GET IMPRESSED BY SOME ONE WITH TRAITS OF A .K.B WHICH ARE: HATING EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING, SPEAKING BULL CRAP AGAINST ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING! BEING INCOHERENT , OUT OF THE CONTEXT AND MOSTLY VAGUE WITH A VERY ARROGANT TONE THAN I THINK YOU WILL HAVE ADMIRATION FOR ALOT OF MENTALLY ILL PATIENTS, SOME AUTISTIC ONES AND SOME REALLY SPECIAL CASES TOO. I CAN REFER THEIR PROFILES TO YOU IF YOU LIKE! A KNOWLEDGEBLE INTELLECTUAL LIKE YOU IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE SO STUPID SOMETIMES…SERIOUSLY GET A REALITY CHECK.BEFORE YOUR LOVE AKB , BREAKS YOUR HEART REALLY BADLY..

  21. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    TP,
    MTG comments make more sense than zjat of yours. It is not AKB*s fault that his comments overexcite you; keep cool and stay away from mobbing the one who differs from the language of the mob.

    I do not want to be rude but think through about the name you have choosen for yourself; this is not normal for a person who writes about mental Hospitals.

    Rex Minor

  22. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    MTG,

    Any one who does not recognise Islam as a religion of peace is a Kaffir, an infidel and should be treated as such. The diplomatic Embassy missions which were established for peace must be withdrawn from the kuffar land. After Iran Mursi Egypt is the next, if the afroam zionist does not change course.

    Rex Minor

  23. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    One of the biggest fallacy Muslims often get into is that anybody with an Islamic name can not be a kuffar and anybody with non-Islamic name will always be kuffar.

  24. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    MTG,
    Not true, what you said, because you are not familiar with the word kuffar, nor with arab muslim culture per say.

    When you hear on the cable network a palestinian women shouting at israeli soldiers shooting palestinians on the gazan side of the border, that the people across the border are kaffirs. It is the act which is kuffar which makes Avlon or Nathan as Kaffir, not their religion or belief. An which muslim family or a muslim tribe there is that they do not make use of the word ‘kuffar’ whenever one of the members does not commit the injustice and violence against fellow humans without being told that this is pure and simple kuffar.

    Rex Minor

    PS Knowledge is the virtue and this emanates from common people, not from the philosophers and the scholars who are simply acting as a medium and are passing on the second info.

  25. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Waah Waah
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    A French-Algerian homosexual man is planning to open a ‘mosque for gays’ in France and hopes to eventually conduct same-sex Muslim marriages.
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    Mohammed Ludovic Lütfi Zahed, an Algerian Muslim living in Paris who is married to his gay partner, hopes to open the doors by the end of the month, according to the Jerusalem Post.
    .
    Mr Zahed says the mosque, situated in a Buddhist chapel in Paris, will also break another Islamic taboo by refusing to segregate women and men.

    .
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239753/France-open-worlds-mosque-gay-community.html#ixzz2DclMWyCg

  26. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    MTG,
    And before this space is taken over by Evil, let me state that what is occuring in Pakistan as reported and most muslim countries is not short of ‘KUFFAR’.

    Rex Minor

  27. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Rexie

    I am not sure where you disagreed with my statement.

  28. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    In some ways Einstein was one of the people who strive hardest to get to Allah, budha was another…

  29. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    MTG
    I stated that what you said is not true. This means in plain language that I totaly disagree with your statement. And if you are a robot like my audio-navigation system, then this ends our communication.

    Rex Minor

  30. gautam United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu didi kahan chalee gayee thein.main samjha akb ne kidnap karwa liya aapko.lekin aap to keel kntein ke saath lais yaheen khadee hain.jai hanuman

  31. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Milestogo

    MUSLIMS ARE FORBIDDEN TO IMITATE NON MUSLIM NAMES AND EVEN CUSTOMS ….AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
    IT’S THE MIRZAI LOT WHO IMITATES MUSLIM NAMES ONLY TO DECEIVE THEM. BEWARE!

  32. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @ Maggu

    WELCOME BACK!
    I CAN NOTE YOUR WAH WAH ON THAT LECHEROUS NEWS FROM ISRAEL!!ARE YOU TRYING TO BE SALACIOUS?? BUT I AM NOT GAY!!
    .

    SUCH A MOSQUE IN PARIS WILL OPEN THE DOOR FOR YOU AND YOUR MIRJAI GAYS TO A BETTER AND COMFORTABLE LIFE…HURRY SEEK ADMISSION THERE —YOU WILL GET RID OF THE 25O BURDEN YOU HAVE TO CARRY!!

    .
    AAM KE AAM
    GHUTLIYOAN KE DAAM!!
    .

  33. MilesToGo United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Rexie,

    you said – It is the act which is kuffar…

    I agree with this statement. It seems to be saying the same thing as I said earlier – names don’t matter.

  34. MilesToGo United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    I might actuall be a robot though…

  35. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Maa’shallah
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    Next Friday, a group of religious leaders from Britain are going to visit Islamabad’s Lal Masjid under the banner of something called Shariah4Pakistan to speak about what plagues this country and to ask for adoption of shariah as the constitution of Pakistan

  36. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    AKB I am impressed by the progressive trends in Islam and the openness of its followers to accept practices which are alien otherwise. Gay Nikaah is a very tolerant idea and will promote family feeling among all believers

  37. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    and to ask for adoption of shariah as the constitution of Pakistan

    sharia wil bring properity and happiness in soiety.west shakes with the name of sharia because of its war on usuary.through interest economy they have enslaved whole world,which is root cause of voilence and poverty all over world.

  38. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    gay is wajibul qatl as per fatwa of ayotallah khui.sarkozy and hollende are both jew,hence promoting their culture.

  39. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    MTG,

    Then stop calling names! There is too much radicalism in the world, today. Your liberals are more radical than those in Germany an although in coalition Govt. their acceptance among the population is now estimated at 2 % versus the 18% in the last election.

    Rex Minor

  40. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “gay is wajibul qatl as per fatwa of ayotallah khui.”
    .
    But ayatollahs are Shias …..

  41. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    We need to teach true Islam. People interpret the verses wrong all the time.

  42. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    we dont need any fatwa on this you ignorant , hardly muslims : its written loud and clear in Quran why dont you read the holy book yourself instead of finding fatwas, read it its in quran “Allah the Almighty revealed: The people of Lut (those dwelt in the towns of Sodom in Palestine) belied the Messengers when their brother Lut said to them: “Will you not fear Allah and obey Him? Verily! I am a trustworthy Messenger to you. SO fear Allah, keep your duty to Him, and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it (my Message of Islamic Monotheism) my reward is only from the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists). Go you in unto the males of the Alamin (mankind), and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives? Nay, you are a trespassing people!”
    They said: “If you cease not, O Lut! Verily, you will be one of those who are driven out!”
    HE said: “I am indeed, of those who disapprove with severe anger and fury your (this evil) action (of sodomy). My Lord! Save me and my family from what they do.”
    SO We saved him and his family, all except an old woman (this wife) among those who remained behind. (26:160-171 Quran)

    why dont you read you mtg and maggu, why dont you read before representing muslims im ashamed of you.
    GAY MARRAIGE IS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM, ITS WHAT BROUGHT SEVERE PUNISHMENT OF ALLAH ON THE PEOPLE OF LUT!CANT YOU SEE IT LOUD AND CLEAR.ITS OUT OF QUESTION FOR ANY IMAM, ANY MUFTI TO GIVE ANY SORT OF FATWA ON GAYS BECAUSE THERES NO NEED, ITS A DECREE OF GOD ,A MATTER ALREADY DECIDED, ANY MUSLIM WHO ENGAGES IN IT IS A MURTAD!!!

  43. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    WHATEVER THIS FRENCH GAY COUPLE IS DOING, IS DEFINATELY ANTI ISLAMIC, COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING THE WILL OF GOD!MAY GOD’S HATRED BE ON THEM MAY THEY GET WORST SORT OF PUNISHMENTS FROM GOD, FOR MISLEADING THE UMMAH SO SEVERLY!I AM SURE CALAMITY WILL REACH THEM VERY SOON INSHALLAH!!!

  44. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Mahee,

    Cool down before before your blood pressure goes up. They are the children of God who happen to live in the 21st century. They do not need your approval nor any fatwas!! You should be more worried about the girls who suffered the gang rape this month at the hands of the land owners in Punjab! We are all sinners and there are no quick fixes nor any short cuts. Quraan is not a dictionary nor a reference book; it contains the solutions and remedies but can any one today with his 18 % potential use of the brain detect it? Not me atleast for the time being.

    Rex Minor

  45. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Tajender,

    Though shall not kill is God’s commandment!!

    Rex Minor

  46. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Rexie,

    I agree – humanity is not suitable to read and understand Quran and is most likely to mis-interpret it because of 18% brain utilization.

    We should first increase our brain utilization and then read Quran.

    Until then Quran should be buried in a safe place for preservation.

  47. mahee Pakistan Google Chrome Windows says:

    rex miner,
    thanku so much for worrying about my blood pressure!but im concerned more about the deriorating condition of your faith and your common sense as well!religion is my vital signs and you are telling me to calm down! do you have the common sense to differentiate between a known barbaric act of voilence like rape and commiting something wrong unknowigly like opening a gay mosque!for sometime i might have thought that you are a well read man but alas i was mislead by your lunatic frnd akb you both have the same teeny common sense with all the worthless 18% percent brain you highly intellectual people are using! i might not be very intellectual , eloquent or articule but trust me after sixteen years of my edudation and clinical practice has made me wise enough to understand so much of the quran!no matter what line i read opens a chain such practical facts and such functional and relatable issues!quran is a complete package of amusing and such thought provoking revelations of god!that are so practical and so useful in our daily life routine!i seriously hardly ever feel going somewhere else!every time when i actually read the arabic with translation of quran and understand them the only word that keeps banging in my mind louder and louder is “SUBHANLLAH” ! i dont know what brain you special guys have got, i dont know what that 18% of brain functioning has been useful in?
    i am getting hyper here because as much as i am aware of the fact that they are children of god and they are in 21st century, but humanity that i am ashamed of is still the same, no matter what time you go in, gayism started in b.c, and it takes rise in the most modern of times again as you say in the very cliched “21st” century, is their any difference in this perverted psychological entity that has existed in human of all time!there is no difference in this perverted psycopathic love .no matter what era you are in human remains the same rebelling the will of god.
    and talking about the gang rape you are really worried about, well yes it,s a sad thing , who wouldn,t worry about it!it,s a sad thing but the gud thing is that the rapist here knows what heinous sin he is commiting and the public knows what a shame it is to have rapists amongst us and nobody is opening them a mosque for them to rape okay so im not so worried! what worries me is this idiotic, ignorant gay couple how can they open a mosque for gay people and read quran in it!the very quran which totally negates and loaths at gay people!are you crazy if a faithful person is not concerned at this disgusting idea than who else should be!
    my comments in which i talk of iman, piety, faithfullness are not meant for atheistic minds since they can never get the emotions a true muslaman has for his ALLAH(s.w.t) and Islam, the only living religion with the holy scripture preserved and protected by God himself!!nobody in the entire history could alter any word any part of quran!nobody not even this mischeivous pervert gay couple can go against the will of quran (s.w.t) you can buy a currupt imam and get any fatwa you want but you cant buy is quran”S ayats and so anyone going against it so delibrately is calling for an evitable punishment of god and you mr.miner will testify it i can give guarantee of that you dont need my fatwa here…INSHALLAH
    (peace)

  48. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Mahee,
    Sorry, but you are a bundle of emotions. It is neither right not feasible to accurately translate divine suras into inferior languages.

    What is your main concern with what you have read from a blogger though most have ignored? Homosexuality or partnership/marriage between the like genders? As you mentioned homosexuality has an ancient history. The act of marriage is a means to reduce tax liabilities of individuals in several european countries.

    Besides AKB is a genuine enlightened and informed individual and anyone who underestimate his intellect and intution will do so to his or her peril.

    Rex Minor

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