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The plain Mr Jinnah

By Saad Hafiz:

Muhammed Ali Jinnah who founded Pakistan in 1947 was a refined, anglicised and secular Indian Muslim and lawyer. To Indian Muslims he was a man of sterling personal qualities, the Quaid-e-Azam, ‘Great Leader’. To many Indians, Jinnah was an anti-Hindu demagogue and a political shyster, an unyielding humour-less man with a vainglorious nature. To the colonial masters,
Jinnah was a worthy adversary who respected British constitutional and liberal political traditions.

Jinnah has been described as a highly conventional politician, who can take no credit for original political thinking at any point. His ‘-isms’ were nationalism and liberalism. He began his career thinking within an ‘Indian’ framework, in the sense of nationalist opposition to British rule. Later, he renamed India’s Muslim community a ‘nation’ and continued his opposition from a narrower base. His resistance to colonialism, then Hindu majority rule, were both for the sake of liberal values: self-determination and political rights. It is thus entirely possible to read Jinnah in western terms, despite the Muslim label.

Jinnah was not averse to turning to religious elements when he desperately needed anything that would bolster support. His critics have tended to focus on this, ignoring the fact that he was only using religion for political purposes — something we have seen elsewhere as well. Jinnah himself was a frequent target of Islamist criticism for being too secular and not being a strong proponent of Islamic religious laws. Jinnah also wanted a secular state and yet Pakistan became an Islamic state.

Jinnah was also the only Muslim leader to have been able to stand up to the Congress party and the British on a regular basis, asserting Muslim independence from Hindu and British interests and power. This, rather than his western lifestyle, was the point upon which many Muslims focused the most. In a community that had had few powerful and charismatic leaders to whom people could point with pride, Jinnah became a hero.

Jinnah had made himself the foremost representative of the Muslims by a devotion to what he thought was in the best interest of the Muslims. He had secularist leanings. Jinnah was a sophisticated man who disliked the Hindu and Muslim small-mindedness that produced what some call fanaticism. He did not like holy men or mullahs.

Nationalist and secular in nature, the Jinnah-led All-India Muslim League relied on developing Muslim national consciousness as a means of uniting them against perceived adversaries, the Hindus and the British. The ‘renaissance’ of Indian Muslims was striven for through secular means while the historical basis was constituted at least largely on the basis of religion. This secular/religious ideological contradiction continues to plague Pakistan today.

Jinnah had been asking for Partition ever since 1940 but the Congress had resisted. Then with the country becoming ungovernable, their idea was to get the best India and create the worst possible Pakistan. Jinnah had no choice but to accept the Partition as he had asked for it so often. He wanted a bigger Pakistan but he got a smaller Pakistan and the provinces he got were poor. Therefore, Pakistan was a poor country from the start.

Jinnah had big ideas but he never had the time to resolve them at a local level or in any detail. His vision of Pakistan was that it should not be Hindu-dominated or British-dominated and filled with Muslims. But he made few attempts to define what a Muslim nation was.

The communal approach of the Muslim League under the leadership of Jinnah stoked and contributed to the stark horrors, contention and strife of the Partition.

Once Pakistan got its independence, Jinnah famously stood up and said that it was to be a liberal democracy that would respect the rights of minorities, including Hindus, Christians and Sikhs. Jinnah would not like the Pakistan of today because of the poverty and intolerance.

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124 Responses to "The plain Mr Jinnah"

  1. Khalid Aziz Sudan Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Dear Author,

    Jinnah championed the “two nation theory” which is actually based on religion. One can agree, he was a secular person in his personal life, fond of western dresses, cigars, music, dogs and married a beautiful Parsi girl but when it comes to his political approach and philosophy that was unfortunately based on religion.This is where, he fails to be a liberal/secular.

  2. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    For all his intelligence, integrity, honesty, and what not., HE FELL INTO THE TRAP laid by RSS/Hindu Maha Sabha., along with the Brits.

    Brits are AHL-e-Kitaab. And their hatred for Islam and Muslims is far deeper than RSS/Hindu Maha Sabha. But since they were a super-power., with both hard power and soft power., Muslims willingly bowed to them ! Argument forwarded was : They are people of the Book.

    Now thanks to Jinnah, muslims are divided into 3 blocks. Pakis, B-Deshis and Indians. All the 3 are “poor” (90% i.e.)., un-educated., no education., healthcare, roads, electricity, sanitation. In every aspect of this worldly life, they are in a very poor state.

    This shows what a poor thinker Jinnah was, vis-a-vis Indian Muslims. He took the problem as a LEGAL case and won it. It was not a legal case b4 a Court. It was a civilisational thing… and i am sorry to say this… but Jinnah’s grasp on the civilisational/historic angle was inferior compared to Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru’s.

  3. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “muslims are divided into 3 blocks. Pakis, B-Deshis and Indians. All the 3 are “poor” (90% i.e.)., un-educated., no education., healthcare, roads, electricity, sanitation. In every aspect of this worldly life, they are in a very poor state.”
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    3 blocks, 3 countries… whats common? poverty, illiteracy, sanitation……. annnnnnd.. Religion? So what’s the cause…i am quite puzzled about the cause of this misery. Ideas, anyone?

  4. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Lack of true Islam is the problem with Pakistan.

  5. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Mujahideen needs to be given their dues – they have sacrificed their lives for Pakistan – now Pakistan is hunting them. They should be treated as equal Muslims.

  6. gautam United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    3 blocks, 3 countries… whats common? poverty, illiteracy, sanitation……. annnnnnd.. Religion? So what’s the cause…i am quite puzzled about the cause of this misery. Ideas, anyone?

    but still better than hindus in many ways.where lacs commit suicide daily.go and see the condition of non muslims in different parts of india.they are surviving because of remmitances from muslim countries.
    as per katju india(hindu)is country of idiots.tody one pakistani has become snooker world champion.future of muslims in subcontinent is very bright.

  7. akb Pakistan Safari Unknow Os says:

    @mtg
    are u suggesting the Mujahideens to take over Kashmir or even India?? Preople like you summoned the Afghans n Mughals to India to reform oppressed Indians…

  8. akb Pakistan Safari Unknow Os says:

    @muggu
    because Muslims are oppressed …….

  9. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    muslims are poor because 90%of muslims converted from lower castes,victims of brhmnsm.high caste muslims are as good or bad as high caste hindus.in india high caste hindu is involve in theft of national wealth so they might be slightly better.but overall situation is same.

  10. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Preople like you summoned the Afghans n Mughals to India to reform oppressed Indians…

    actually to enslave oppressed.but during muslim rule they got equal justice before law.this happened to them for the first time. throughout history high caste robbed and fooled common indian.for three thousand years doors of education were closed to 99% indian.during this time from lauda to machchar was marketed as bhagwan.

  11. very sick man United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Jinnah worked with a tin of Craven “A” cigarettes at his desk, of which he had smoked 50 or more a day for the previous 30 years, as well as a box of Cuban cigars.

    From the 1930s, Jinnah suffered from tuberculosis;

    On 6 July 1948, Jinnah returned to Quetta, but at the advice of doctors, soon journeyed to an even higher retreat at Ziarat. Jinnah had always been reluctant to undergo medical treatment, but realising his condition, the Pakistani government sent the best doctors it could find to treat him. Tests confirmed tuberculosis, and showed evidence of lung cancer.

    By 9 September, Jinnah had also developed pneumonia.

  12. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    Gottam: “future of muslims in subcontinent is very bright.”
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    Of course the future is bright, it has been bright for many centuries and will remain bright

  13. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “high caste muslims are as good or bad as high caste ”
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    So Muslims have caste too? I thought all were equal in the kingdom of alla

  14. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “they are surviving because of remmitances from muslim countries.”
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    And of course, they will not only survive but prosper since they have complete confidence that people in Muslim countries will never go to school and thus be never able to run their own lives so they will need non Muslims to help them run their lives. After the oil runs out they will ride their camels again

  15. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    AKB: “because Muslims are oppressed …….”
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    Huh? Where? In Pakistan and Bangladesh?

  16. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Mujahideen first need to conquer Pakistan from fake Muslim liberals and the mendi will appear with a magical horse and a laser weapon.

    Then a grand Islamic army will be gathered in Pakistan and split into two. One will march on India and china and another will march on America and Europe.

    Allah has already told us this.

    But if Pakistan is not purified then mehdi will not come.

  17. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Oil is the biggest gift Allah has given to Muslims.

  18. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Pakistan will soon merge Bangladesh back into pakistan and prove to the world the power of ummah.

  19. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Gottam: “future of muslims in subcontinent is very bright.”
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    Of course the future is bright, it has been bright for many centuries and will remain bright

    during british period we gone down.otherwise we were best and will remain best.no doubt.grass eating monkeys are no match to us.

  20. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    they will not only survive but prosper since they have complete confidence that people in Muslim countries will never go to school

    literacy level in most of the muslim countries is higher than india.barring pakistan.

  21. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Maggu says:
    December 10, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    AKB: “because Muslims are oppressed …….”
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    Huh? Where? In Pakistan and Bangladesh

    area which was given to pakistan was most backward part of india.now they are far better than before.

  22. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    “high caste muslims are as good or bad as high caste ”
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    So Muslims have caste too? I thought all were equal in the kingdom of alla

    socially yes.religiously no.

  23. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Mehdi not mendi

  24. HistoryBuff United States Mozilla Firefox Mac OS says:

    Since Muslims and Christians in India continue to have caste, even after having converted centuries ago, it is increasingly obvious that caste is a manifestation of a social/economic/political order and has nothing to do with religion. The modern urban economy is undoing caste.

  25. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @ MUGGU

    GOOD, I MADE YOU JUMP THE STOOL!!
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    MUSLIMS DON’T HAVE CASTES,,,ONLY OUTCASTS LIKE THE MIRJAI’S!!

  26. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Transgender:.otherwise we were best and will remain best.no doubt.grass eating monkeys are no match to us.
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    Of course you will have the brightest FUTURE always. As for grass eating monkeys I think they are better off feeding 100 kilos of bhindi to baratees than kangaals who have to to a valima for 50 in 100 grams of gosht. The pity is that muslims in south asia can only define themselves as ‘not hindu’ by eating meat, different dress etc. This obsession with a slender identity and a severe inferiority complex keeps them back. Learn to become something instead of trying to prove you are “not something”.

  27. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Transgender:”literacy level in most of the muslim countries is higher than india”
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    That literacy is to read just ONE book. Check out this article, this is an arab site so you cant whine about zionist propaganda etc. english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/14/226290.html
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    Here is an excerpt:Earlier this year, a debate on how to foster reading habits among Arab youth was prompted after the Arab Thought Foundation’s Fikr released its fourth annual cultural development report in January, saying that the average Arab child reads “six minutes” a year in comparison to 12,000 minutes its Western counterpart spends.

    It also reported that an Arab individual on average reads a quarter of a page a year compared to the 11 books read by an American and seven books by a British person.
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    Closed minds

  28. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    Transgender/akb: since murtads like me and other kuffar like mtg are making you guys read and pull up the reading average of the whole amma, you should send us gifts and worship us

  29. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    muslims should be focused on quran and sunnah instead of kuffar education. Every child should be trained to be hafiz-e-quran – and fluent in Allah’s mother tongue Arabic – only then can umma come out of the dark hole into islamic light…

  30. Mohan United Arab Emirates Safari iPad says:

    Maggu,

    “Learn to become something instead of trying to prove you are “not something”.
    -
    One of the best line I have read in quite some time. Simply Superb.

  31. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    1 hafiz-e-kuran = 2 kuffar phds

  32. Maggu India Google Chrome  GT-N7100 Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19 says:

    MTG: only 2!!??

  33. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    All the contributors to PTH.. must now do MBA (for 2 years) not in a fake university (in an apartment) but in a genuine one. (Day Scholar). We need new inputs. The stale arguments are tiring… not to use stronger language.

    They didnt attend La`Rosie… atleast do MBA…

    Bah !

  34. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    BAD NEWS FOR INDIANS!!
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    SOUTH ASIA INVESTOR REVIEW SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2012
    Growing Incomes and Economic Mobility in Pakistan
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    Intergenerational Mobility in Pakistan:

    Corak calculates that the intergenerational earnings elasticity in Pakistan is 0.46, the same as in Switzerland. It means that a difference of 100% between the incomes of a rich father and a poor father is reduced to 46% difference between their sons’ incomes. Among the 22 countries studied, Peru, China and Brazil have the lowest economic mobility with inter-generational elasticity of 0.67, 0.60 and 0.58 respectively. The highest economic mobility is offered by Denmark (0.15), Norway (0.17) and Finland (0.18).

    The author also looked at Gini coefficient of each country and found reasonably good correlation between Gini and intergenerational income elasticity.

    In addition to Corak, there are other reports which confirm that Pakistan has continued to offer significant upward economic andsocial mobility to its citizens over the last two decades. Since 1990, Pakistan’s middle class had expanded by 36.5% and India’s by only 12.8%, according to an ADB report titled “Asia’s Emerging Middle Class: Past, Present And Future”.

    More evidence of upward mobility is offered by recentEuromonitor market research indicating that Pakistanis are seeing rising disposable incomes. It says that there were 1.8 million Pakistani households (7.55% of all households) and 7.9 million Indian households (3.61% of all households) in 2009 with disposable incomes of $10,001 or more. This translates into 282% increase (vs 232% in India) from 1995-2009 in households with disposable incomes of $10,001 or more. Consumer spending in Pakistan has increased at a 26 percent average pace the past three years, compared with 7.7 percent for Asia, according toBloomberg.

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    Pakistani parents are taking education more and more seriously and enrolling their children at all levels. According to Harvard University researchers Robert Barro and Jhong-Wa Lee, Pakistan has been increasing enrollment of students in schools at a faster rate since 1990 than India. In 1990, there were 66.2% of Pakistanis vs 51.6% of Indians age 15 and above who had no schooling. In 2000, there were 60.2% Pakistanis vs 43% Indians with no schooling. In 2010, Pakistan reduced it to 38% vs India’s 32.7%.
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    As of 2010, there are 380 (vs 327 Indians) out of every 1000 Pakistanis age 15 and above who have never had any formal schooling. Of the remaining 620 (vs 673 Indians) who enrolled in school, 22 (vs 20 Indians) dropped out before finishing primary school, and the remaining 598 (vs 653 Indians) completed it. There are 401 (vs 465 Indians) out of every 1000 Pakistanis who made it to secondary school. 290 (vs 69 Indians) completed secondary school while 111 (vs. 394 Indians) dropped out. Only 55 (vs 58 Indians) made it to college out of which 39 (vs 31 Indians) graduated with a degree.

    Labor Market:

    Pakistan’s employment growth has been the highest in South Asia region since 2000, followed by Nepal, Bangladesh, India, and Sri Lanka in that order, according to a recent World Bank report titled”More and Better Jobs in South Asia”.
    .

    Total employment in South Asia (excluding Afghanistan and Bhutan) rose from 473 million in 2000 to 568 million in 2010, creating an average of just under 800,000 new jobs a month. In all countries except Maldives and Sri Lanka, the largest share of the employed are the low‐end self-employed.

  35. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Here is an excerpt:Earlier this year, a debate on how to foster reading habits among Arab youth was prompted after the Arab Thought Foundation’s Fikr released its fourth annual cultural development report in January, saying that the average Arab child reads “six minutes” a year in comparison to 12,000 minutes its Western counterpart spends.

    It also reported that an Arab individual on average reads a quarter of a page a year compared to the 11 books read by an American and seven books by a British person.
    .
    Closed minds

    steve jab was an arab.iran is much ahead of even india in science and technology.literacy level in all central asian muslim countries is 98%plus.
    dubai is hub of education between sydney and london.quality of education in india is second grade.arab boys are manufaturing highly
    sophiscated fajr missiles in basement of gaza.they built complete underground city in gaza,isreal could not smell.
    ahmad baradi president of atomic energy was an arab.
    i think u are victim of bullshit rss propaganda.study well before writing.

  36. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu bi,
    the same site also says,

    A 2011 UNESCO report found that in the UAE, one in 10 people is illiterate.

    so the literacy is 90%.

    tum murtad ho.kafir chup ke apas mein baat karte hain.doosraa aye to chup ho jaate hain.argument ho to bhaag jate hain.yeh sab batein inko inke guru batate hain,we have 3 type of grass eating monkeys in india,

    ndia suffers eternally in the hands of the troika of Marvadi’s, Gujju’s & Brahmins. The Big three have made India suffocate & suffer by their unethical ways throughout the history. Put together they add up to 8 to 9% of Indian population and hold more than 90% of Indian money, power and other resources. Socially, Educationally, Economically they have always been very powerful & superior to the remaining masses of India. Indian Economy is in the hands of Marvadi’s. They hold most of the Indian businesses. It is surprising to see only one community flourish in businesses, generations after generations. These people do not eat mutton but suck the blood out of people. They have mistaken cheating & manipulations for entrepreneurship. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in business outside India but not in India. Sabeer Bhatia and others in Silicon Valley are great examples. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in Indian Business with Non-Indian clientele. Infosys & other big & small software companies are live examples. However, a Non-Marvadi cannot succeed in Indian business Environment whereas a Marvadi can easily succeed with their competence in manipulatuions and machinations without really having the real competence, technical or otherwise. Right from adultering milk & other food items in a grocery shop, duping customers with non-standard items for branded items, to the big industrialists evading taxes, a Marwadi is involved everywhere in cheating this Nation.
    They have mastered the trick of greasing palms of ever greedy politicians & bureaucrats to ensure the unethical & illegal businesses & methods are ignored by the people in Power. Business are shared within their community irrespective of cost and quality to ensure firm hold on business & economy with the Marvadi’s. Every attempt is made to kill the entrepreneurship from other communities. Businesses given to Non-marvadi’s will suffer Non-payment OR late payments to the point of closure of the others business. Employees in Marvadi firms are treated like slaves. The most qualified, intelligent and effective of the Employees have to work under low educated marvadi, appointed by the owner, as their boss, who keeps on learning from them and bossing over them at the same time, without giving exposure, value addition, or avenue to move ahead in the company. Once a person enters a Marvadi company, his learning stops and has to remain clerk forever, even if he is a Professional. With no addition in knowledge, he cannot venture outside the company and has to live a life of stagnated pond. Marvadi’s are destroying the intelligent and educated middle class just because this class is entrapped in home loans and other such loans. Earlier they cheated people by lending money at exorbitant interests and grabbed farming lands & other properties worth crores of rupees. A parallel economy with black money is run by the same community
    The unethical ways of Marvadi’s are destroying people and the Nation. Gujju’s are aptly represented by people like Harshad Mehta and Ketan Parekh. Recent killings of innocent men, women & children from minorities can give a peep into the minds of Gujju’s where they are in majority. The same Gujju’s have driven out Maharashtrians from Mumbai to the far outskirts of Mumbai. Mumbai has been grabbed by Gujju’s. It is only the Parsi’s who do business in India very ethically and with a lot of social commitment & ecological responsibility. They have tremendous respect from every Indian.

    Brahmins blocked the education for others ensuring no competition. Brahmins have hold on Educational Institutions, Software companies, administrative jobs in Govt. & Lucrative posts in Private companies. Once a Brahmin enters an Organistaion, he slowly makes it the Brahmin Organisation, by employing everyone from his own caste. Where are others? They are peons, clerks, vegetable vendors, street cleaners, farm labourers, construction labourers, low level workers in factories and doing rest of the menial jobs. The suppression of masses continues in one form or the other.

    These three communities are the ardent supporters of BJP & the RSS. They are blinded by their self interests, least bothered about the Nation. Indulging in the superiority on Indian masses forever, they have been curse to the Indian masses.

    The new found mantra of Hindutva was a master stroke to deflect the attention of masses from the real issue of disparity & in equality to the non-issue of religion. Pitting one religion against another OR one caste against another are their strategic moves. It is indeed barbaric to fight each other just because the other is born in different religion or different caste. But that serves the purpose of these communities. Indian economy, businesses and education is in their hands. The masses should realise the intentions of the saffronites whose real masters are in this troika and instead of indulging in barbaric fights we should make every effort to uplift the masses to dizzying heights to be equal if not more equal to this troika, who have inflicted the greatest of injuries to the masses and this Nation.

  37. AKB Pakistan Opera Windows says:

    @MilesToGo
    You are obsessed by the thought of Muslims, shows you think in your whims that your religion, whatever, is perfect. That is insane and demented. Grow up and talk sense.
    One Hafiz e Quran is enough to lift you up to celestial bliss and height ……try him out if you still have any doubt!

  38. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Transgender:”arab boys are manufaturing highly sophiscated fajr missiles in basement of gaza”
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    AKB:”One Hafiz e Quran is enough to lift you up to celestial bliss and height ”
    .
    So these Haieez who are making fazul missiles will put one under our bum and life us to celestial heights? eh?

  39. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    AKB:”shows you think in your whims that your religion, whatever, is perfect.”
    .
    I think ALL religion is useless and only serves to provide the lazy an excuse to do nothing. Additionally, ALL religion is murderous since it gives people reason to kill each other in the name of god.
    .
    The sooner you give up religion and get to work the better

  40. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    TRANSGENDER”However, a Non-Marvadi cannot succeed in Indian business Environment whereas a Marvadi can easily succeed with their competence in manipulatuions and machinations without really having the real competence, technical or otherwise. Right from adultering milk & other food items in a grocery shop, duping customers with non-standard items for branded items, to the big industrialists evading taxes”
    .
    whine whine whine…. breastbeating… crying… oppression…. conspiracy…corruption
    .
    They are still making money, employing people and increasing wealth. Who are YOU to decide their competence? People buy their stuff …. and they don’t have guns to force anyone or any religious blackmail.. they still succeed… what have others done?

  41. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    @MilesToGo
    You are obsessed by the thought of Muslims, shows you think in your whims that your religion, whatever, is perfect
    akb bhai,
    bak raha hoon junu mein kya kya main,
    kutch na samjhe khuda kare koi.

  42. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    TRANSGENDER:”steve jab was an arab.”
    .
    Steve “JAB” was born of a syrian/lebanese father. He completely disowned him and never met him.
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    “literacy level in all central asian muslim countries is 98%plus.”
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    They read only ONE book
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    “dubai is hub of education between sydney and london.”
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    Where are the teachers from and who do they teach? Answer: Indians/Indians
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    “quality of education in india is second grade.”
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    Where is indian education being used? Arab countries
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    “arab boys are manufaturing highly sophiscated fajr missiles in basement of gaza.they built complete underground city in gaza,isreal could not smell.”
    .
    Sure they also build suicide bombers and remote controlled bombs…. when did an arab last discover a cure for a disease or invent anything? Learn to build not destroy. When you stop worshiping bombs and missiles is when you can brag. Till that time the world will spit at you

  43. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    and they don’t have guns to force anyone or any religious blackmail.. they still succeed… what have others done?

    so u have special love for these grass eating monkeys.i know their engineering division.birlas are the international reference for their bad workmanship.

  44. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Sure they also build suicide bombers and remote controlled bombs

    they will do it also if neccessary to fight occupation.

    when did an arab last discover a cure for a disease or invent anything?

    ibn sina an arab muslim is considered as the father of medicine by west.

  45. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “.birlas are the international reference for their bad workmanship.”
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    Their empire has still lasted 150 years and is growing …fast. eat your heart out… whine…whine

  46. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “ibn sina an arab muslim is considered as the father of medicine by west.”
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    you are a joker… he lived a thousand years ago!! Name 5 in the last 100 years. The only medical advance made by amma is in breeding fast

  47. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “is considered as the father of medicine by west.”
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    Father and mother ban nay mein master ho!! Thats special…. Steve Jobs arab … Neil Armstrong Muslim… ab kyaa? Bill Gates doing hujj?

  48. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Also, didn’t i educate you earlier that Avicenna recanted his faith and died a Catholic Christian? I had a long discussion with someone here about it. Please fill the gaps in your education

  49. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Steve “JAB” was born of a syrian/lebanese father. He completely disowned him and never met him

    so what he remained arab died as muslim.

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