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Are There Any Liberal “Extremists” in Pakistan?

Raza Habib Raja

Lately one of the phrases being repeatedly used at the mainstream media is of “liberal extremism”. I have repeatedly heard and read that our society is polarized and both the “extremes” are equally harmful. A few columnists and anchor persons continuously point towards the “dangers” emanating from liberal extremists. Some or the other our media is trying to project itself as striking the vital middling position and professes “miana rawi” or moderation in opinion.

This term is no longer just restricted to the media but has also found its way in everyday conversations and drawing room discussions.

Well at least semantically a phrase like liberal extremism or liberal fascism can only be termed as an oxymoron. From a philosphical point of view you can not be a liberal and a fascist at the same time. However, since in everyday political terminology the word liberal corresponds to certain postions, therefore at least theoratically it is possible for someone to be a “hard core ” liberal. Even from that angle, you can only be called an “extremist” if you are ready to resort to violence or take extremely inflexible and fringe positions.

It is important to know as to what liberal values espouse. Well liberalism is not a strictly defined doctrine and has meant different things at different times and places. However, broadly speaking we can say that ideas with liberal underpinning are: individual liberty; women liberation, religious tolerance; preference of self introspection over irrational patriotism; separation of state and religion, increased role of state for levelling income inequalities, less ambitious external policy; and a passive yet alert military with no expansionist aspirations built around romantic nationalism.

In Pakistan those who espouse these values are rare and in media restricted to merely English print media. Moreover, they do not use violent tactics the way religious fundamentalists use and therefore to call them as fascists is a gross exaggeration. In addition, the local category of liberals is fully cognizant of the fact that Pakistan suffers from acute religious sensitivity and therefore while projecting their point of view in the public sphere, they often carefully word their opinion. They have to otherwise they run the risk of being slain! In fact even their vocal opposition of blasphemy law was mostly on the ground that the said law was against the “true’ spirit of Islam rather than on the fact that there is no place for religion inspired law in the matters of state.

The fact is that liberals in Pakistan are not the “hardcore” variety but rather close to centre and who often have to argue from position of severe disadvantage. Media does not give them the space and when they speak they have to tread very carefully and consequently often end up projecting a much compromised point of view.

And despite this a sizeable number of people categorize them as some kind of fascists or Western elitists. This in my opinion just shows as to how orthodox and schizophrenic our society has become. Here some of the people claim to be following a “balanced’ middle simply on the grounds that they do not out rightly support Taliban and suicide bombings. Yet a substantial number of such people may be giving what is known as “soft” support to the militants through conspiracy theories and apologetic defense of “reaction” against US drone attacks. In my books this mindset is also ultraconservative and extremist though its manifestation is in a different way.

The central issue in my opinion is that in Pakistan, on the ideological spectrum, the conservative positions virtually dominate. In fact the opinions which would fall under the category of fringe conservative opinions in the West are actually the mainstream opinions in Pakistan. When extreme conservative opinions become the mainstream opinion then even moderately liberal opinions start appearing as the “other extreme”.

Moreover, unfortunately the mainstream media has successfully projected liberal values as some kind of a modus operandi cum intellectual vehicle to westernize Pakistan and to undermine the existing “rich” patriotic culture and values.

Consequently anyone vying for the liberal values is immediately bracketed as some kind of a western liberal extremist and even a fascist. When even moderately liberal point of view is categorized as extremist then clearly there is something wrong with our conception and ideological direction.

Moreover this is proving seriously detrimental because liberal opinions are being simply shot down as liberal extremism without even being properly considered. Consequently in the battle of ideas, only the variants of one kind of narrative are reigning supreme and counter opinion is virtually absent in the public sphere. Instead of a balanced middle which emanates from conflation of competing ideas, what we are witnessing in Pakistan is just the dominance of variants of conservative ideology. Hence it is no surprise that intellectually we are becoming bankrupt.

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158 Responses to "Are There Any Liberal “Extremists” in Pakistan?"

  1. Kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    “some of the people claim to be following a “balanced’ middle simply on the grounds that they do not out rightly support Taliban and suicide bombings.”

    RHR, for the most part, the “middle-path” Pakistani is one who does not himself throw bombs. And is, as such, a man of peace. And considers himself or herself a person of considerable morality and moderation, for which rewards and recognitions are due to him from all others, inside and outside of Pakistan.

    More often than not, these others fail him, and thus leave him justly and constantly upset at everyone else. In a small percentage of cases, such a constantly chafing middle pather decides to abandon the middle-path, and thus is born the so-called ‘terrorist’.

    The difference between the two often seems to be merely of a step or two.

  2. number one United States Safari Mac OS says:

    YLH would be #1 candidate or two year old girl with temper tantrum .

    He accused Tarek Fatah of being on Terror List, Hamas sympathizer, Holocaust denier, anti-Semitic, etc
    in under an hour.

    First he wanted a debate on Jinnah then he started cowering.
    All this took place in his twitter feed.

  3. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    kaal JIS DESH MEIN GANGA BAHTEE HAI,…………Two-year-old who was allegedly raped by her uncle dies in Gujarat hospital
    Edited by Sindhu Manjesh | Updated: December 26, 2012 09:53 IST
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    Vadodara: A two-year-old who was raped, allegedly by her maternal uncle, and then thrown into a thorny bush, has died in a Vadodara hospital. The child had been found wailing in the bush by a few young men in the Gujarat town of Halol on Friday. They had also managed to pin down the uncle and hand him over to the police.

    The child’s parents, who are from Nepal, rushed her to a hospital nearby, from where she was shifted to SSG Hospital in Vadodara for treatment. The police said that the father is a private security guard. The accused is the mother’s brother and was visiting the family.

    A case of rape and kidnapping was registered against the accused and now a murder charge under section 302 of the IPC has been added. The distraught parents have demanded the death penalty for the accused.

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    1:11 Two-year-old who was allegedly raped by her uncle dies in Gujarat hospital
    48:54 The 9 O’clock News: The biggest stories (Dec 25, 2012) On Saturday, trading and business organisations, NGOs, and the autorickshaw association had protested in Halol and in a memorandum sought severe punishment for the accused for the heinous crime.

    Another case of rape was also reported in Gujarat on Monday. A 20-year-old from Bharuch has filed a complaint against an auto driver, alleging that he had raped her about nine months back while ferrying her to school. The girl has alleged that the driver had threatened her with dire consequences if she revealed the incident to her parents. On Monday though, the girl finally broke down before her parents and recounted her trauma.

    News of these cases comes at a time when India has been incensed by the brutal gang-rape of a 23-year-old medical student on December 16 in Delhi. The gang-rape survivor, ‘Amanat’ (NOT her real name) is still battling for her life at Safdarjung Hospital in the capital.

  4. MilesToGo United States Safari Mac OS says:

    Tarek is greatest Pakistani after Jinnah.

  5. Kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    tajender, that is most horrible! Were it not for a few good people like you and drone I would stop calling Indians human.

  6. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    If muslims world-wide will not take to studies (science, math, media, START-UPS, C.A., M.B.A, I.C.W.A., Entreprenuership)… then every single muslim girl is in the danger of being gang-raped by RSS Gang Rapists (let loose on the society)… it could be anyone’s sister.. mom.. or daughter.

    The mantra is the same – that was given 120 yrs back – by Sa. Syed. Go for education. A complete overhaul is needed. Band aid will not do.

    1. Names : Extremely short names.. that have one or max. 2 vowels.. easier on the tongue.

    2. Dress : Time to take to the most help / modern style of dressing. T-Shirt.. Shorts.. (Trousers are out).. the latest Jeans.. and Ash-Grey Black T-shirt.. dress simply.. but elegantly.. like Hz. Marc Zuckerberg. (this is for both the boys and the girls).

    3. No to gold. No muslim ever.. to enter the Gold Shop. All the gold that is being sold, is honestly not PURE gold at all. It is purified PEETAL.

    4. The money spent on “gold” be instead spent on books. I want Muslim boys and girls to flood the BOOK STORES. Apple Stores.. iMac Stores. Do not buy 10 grams of gold for Rs. 35,000/-. Instead buy the latest Apple iPhone.. or the latest Nokia (with Windows) selling for Rs. 35,000-.

    5. Languages : Drop Arabic/Persian/Urdu.. effective immediately. Instead replace it with English/French/Chinese Mandarin.

    6. Homes : Live in small homes.. close to each other.. in clusters. I., who hate ghettoes., am now forced.. pushed to the wall (existential threat) to suggest.. even approve living in Ghettoes. Stay close to each other.. live side-by-side.. If you cant love your neighbour.. atleast do not hate/rape the neighbour’s daughter.

    7. Develop synergy. Do not cheat with each other. Be neat in financial dealings with each other. (muslims w/muslims i.e.).

    8. Give up eating Paan and Guthka. It leads to cancer.. and its very ugly. Be clean.. neat.. shave.. have a full body wax.. be hep.. and happenning. USE PERFUMES / COLOGNE always.. When you pass by.. people must feel good. SMELL is extremely important.. Bad body smell is a strict No-No.

    9. Since Muslims are poor.. and scattered (53 bastis).. and hate each other.. (there can be no synergy in a 1.2 Bn. community spread over the globe).. give up the Pan Islamic Dream (which is a bluff). Instead., DE-CENTRALISE ISLAM.. to the block-level. When you turn Pan Islam on its head.. UNITY WILL AUTOMATICALLY COME UP AS A RESULT. It will come voluntarily. We will have different sounding short-names… our dress.. language.. culture.. music.. dance WILL be different.. but we will say.. Ok.. we are different.. BUT we have a similarity.. vis-a-vis.. world-view. We believe in a “Formless” Single Unitary God.. and the message that was delivered Unto Humanity, by its Greatest Teacher Ever., Prophet Mohammed. So, yes.. we are diverse.. so yes.. you will not give us a glass of water (and viceversa).. and yes.. we speak differently.. and our food habits/lifestyle(s) are different.. YET.. there is a bond.

    ECONOMIC START-UPS.. UPBEAT MOOD.. IS VERY NECESSARY. STUDENTS IN HIGH-SCHOOLS.. COLLEGES.. MUST GO FOR START-UPS.. THERE MUST BE EXPERIMENTS IN THE GARAGE.. How many school-going students.. and college-going students.. are Registering / Establishing COMPANIES ?

    I want to lead by example.. I hope I do.

    Au revoir.

    PS : Cricket must be buried deep. Instead, I would most sincerely suggest “swimming” as an alternative. Infact i would go to the extent and say that Cricket must be banned. It is an ugly dirty racist sport.

  7. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    kaal,immediate danger is not me or u,after reading you i dance 5to 10 minutes,but real danger is,

    If these elements are let loose in future, which is a sure possibility keeping in view track record of RAW, then there is strong possibility of falling of Indian nukes into the hands of Hindu terrorists.

    India had been having civilian governments throughout its history while armed forces have been sidelined in many issues including nukes which are under the civilian government more than the Indian army.

    But unfortunately Indian politics and successive governments over the years have been manipulated by Hindu terrorists like RSS, Bajrang Dal and BJP. These organisations over the decades since creation of India have gradually penetrated the Indian army. Now with top ranking officials of Indian army having links with Hindu hardliner politicians who are fanatics and running suicide training camps, it is feared that Indian nuclear assets may slip into the hands of Hindu terrorists who have been ruthlessly killing Christians, Muslims and Dalits in India. (Asian Tribune, Bal Patil).

  8. Majumdar India Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Kaal bhai,
    RHR, for the most part, the “middle-path” Pakistani is one who does not himself throw bombs.
    I guess Truly mian and Amir Liaquat dude wud both qualify as middlepathers.

  9. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    RHR is good with words and writes well. Kaal is the enlightened one and understands others instantly, most others write and post a lot but rarely indicate their own character.

    The man who raised the fire alarm in America left a note claiming that he was good at killing, and the 20 year old showed to the world how good he was in the use of weapons which his own mother kept in house. The Afro President of the USA, who was awarded the Noble peace award is proving to be the most experienced killer as well as the expert in modern warfare, not in law the subject he taught others at Harvard!

    Actions realy count and not the words, which people are able to manipulate and with machiavillian style spin it. Torture was termed by the American administration as “the extended interrogation”. Extra judicial killings in foreign lands, and target killings of children by Drones are termed as actions of war even in countries with whom the yanks are not at war. New words have emerged from the English dictionary to provide a face lift for the former outlawed practices in a civilised society.

    The talibans are the most competent DIY killing machine ever produced in the world against the well organised and self acclaimed super Sherif of the world. The so called liberals in te world have always been given a sub-title name as well which reflects their true identity. Pakistani liberals are indeed seen as the exterme fascist little group!!

    Marry chistmass to all and Happy holidays!

    Rex Minor

    PS the word rape is not used for infants.

  10. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    After having their 11th child, a Pathan couple decided that that was enough, as they couldn’t afford a larger bed. So the husband went to his doctor and told him that he and his wife didn’t want to have any more children.
    The doctor told him there was a procedure called a vasectomy that would fix the problem but it was expensive.
    A less costly alternative was to go home, get a large firecracker, light it, put it in a beer can, then hold the can up to his ear and count to 10.
    The husband said to the doctor, “Masha’Allah!, I may not be the smartest guy in the world, but I don’t see how putting a firework in a beer can next to my ear is going to help me with my problem…”
    “Trust me, it will do the job”, said the doctor.
    So the man went home, lit a cracker and put it in a beer can.
    He held the can up to his ear and began to count with his fingers: “1, 2, 3, 4, 5,” at which point he paused, and placed the beer can between his legs so he could continue counting on his other hand.
    This procedure has been approved by the Health Department of Pakistan.

  11. babu rangnathan United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Will there be sexual relations in heaven? Some say “No” because Jesus says in Matthew 22:30 that we will be like the angels. But, in the context of what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 22:30, what Jesus meant is that we will be like the angels in that there will be no marriage in heaven.

    A question was given to Jesus concerning a woman who had several husbands in her lifetime (each husband having died and the woman outliving them all). The question given to Jesus was who will be the woman’s husband at the resurrection since she had several husbands. Jesus responded by saying that, like the angels, there won’t be marriage in heaven. That doesn’t mean there won’t be sexual relationships in heaven. Marriage is required for sex only in this life. Heaven is another issue.

    We won’t be like angels in every other way. For example, Scripture says that believers (Christians) in their next life, in their resurrected (immortal bodies), will enjoy food and drink, even though eating and drinking won’t be necessary anymore, but believers in glory will still be able to enjoy those and other pleasures. After His resurrection, Jesus Himself ate and drank with the disciples. Jesus said that in the future Kingdom He would enjoy wine with His disciples again. Angels, on the other hand, are strictly spirit beings and don’t consume food or drink.

    Print version Font Size Send to friendHow can God allow sexual relations in heaven without marriage? In heaven there’s no need for anyone to belong exclusively or permanently to another because there will be no building of families as marriage involves. Scripture teaches that marriage is a unique test and picture of faithfulness, but in heaven no such test is necessary for only the faithful will be there.

    There is no logical reason for why there won’t be sex in heaven. If other bodily enjoyments like eating and drinking will be there then, most certainly, it is reasonable to expect that there will be sexual enjoyment also. Sex in heaven will be driven spiritually and by perfect love.

    Human sexuality is so powerful because it is not only for reproduction. It involves intercourse of spirit and soul, as well as body. The Song of Solomon in the Bible is filled with sexual imagery. Human sexuality has meaning beyond marriage and having children. Seniors have sex beyond childbearing years! Animals only have sex during mating season and only for reproductive purposes. Animals don’t have sex all the time, but humans do.

    The Bible teaches that there will be both spiritual and bodily enjoyment in heaven. Psalm 16:11 tells us that in God’s presence there will be fullness of joy (this is spiritual) and at His right hand there will be pleasures (plural) forevermore (pleasure is something experienced physically). In fact, various passages in Scripture imply that for believers all human faculties (spirit, mind, and body) will be actively engaged and fulfilled throughout eternity. Eternity won’t be boring!

    There are some good books and articles on sexuality and heaven written by Christian scholars.

    Because Jesus Christ, God’s eternal and only begotten Son, paid the penalty for sin, on our behalf, that we can never fully pay, and rose from the dead, the Bible says that through genuine faith in Christ we can be forgiven of our sins and perfectly enjoy God’s presence and everything He has for us in heaven. The Bible says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16, KJV).

    Just as a co-signer to a loan takes the responsibility to pay someone’s else’s debt should the loan go into default so too Christ took the legal and moral responsibility of paying the debt for mankind’s sins. Because Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins, God can be just in forgiving us our sins when we put our trust in Christ as Lord and Savior.

    Love and follow God first, and some day everything and all enjoyment, physical as well as spiritual, will be yours for eternity, my friend. “No good thing will (God) withhold from them that walk uprightly” (Psalm 84:11).

    Babu Ranganathan

    The author, Babu G. Ranganathan, has his bachelor’s degree with concentrations in theology and biology, and has been recognized for his writings on religion and science in the 24th edition of Marquis “Who’s Who In The East.”

  12. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:


    How naive. Indian Nukes (500 in number) are already in the possession of RSS (they are lodged at Hegdewar Bhavan, Nagpur). But these are cowards / wife-beaters. Who strip women naked, and beat them with leather belts., burn them with cigarette butts etc. (Gang rape.. torture in group etc). What we see in the RSS mind is the “Mob Violence” mentality. They are cowards at heart.. and cant even walk alone. They walk in GROUPS.

    The possibility of using Nukes “outside” is minimal. The cowards will not do it – because they know – it will have a retribution. And a heavy one… because no one keeps Nukes just for the show-case. They are meant to be used… when they have to be…

    The continuing deterioration / worsening condition of human rights in SE Asia.. is falling like dew.. and could lead to a flare up. Of course the one who is bigger will inflict maximum damage – but there will be some collateral damage too.

    MODI MIAN : Remember Newton’s 3rd Law, (Modi Mian – the Gay Bottom from Gujarat i.e.) ! It will be very tragic… Hugely tragic… I am afraid… a time may come (God Forbid) when things reach those dangerous levels… where living becomes meaningless… and people start thinking of doing something.. and take revenge.. against those.. who destroyed their lives.. robbed smile from their faces. b4 they die.

    When that stage is reached.. I am afraid.. it will lead to disastrous consequences. I am afraid.. i see it coming in the SE Asian context..

  13. tejender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    maggu,for u to enjoy………… report says that Osama bin Laden paid Rs 50,000 bribe for the construction of his Abbottabad safe house..RELATED
    Bin Laden’s manhunt a dramatic story to tell: Kathryn BigelowZero Dark ThirtyPak panel on Osama to submit report in October: Pakistan foreign min…Seven members of US Navy SEAL Team 6 punished for secrecy breachTaliban urge Obama to pull troops out now.ISLAMABAD: Even the world’s most wanted terrorist could not escape the bribery dragnet. Osama bin Laden’s safe-house in Pakistan’s garrison city Abbottabad was built after paying a bribe of Rs 50,000 to a revenue official, a media report said on Wednesday.

    The bribe was paid to the ‘patwari’ so that Laden could construct a three-storey building within the compound surrounded by a 14-foot boundary wall and an iron fence.

    Details of the bribe emerged after Pakistani officials translated a diary that was purportedly kept by bin Laden.

    Bin Laden, 54, was killed by US commandos during a raid on the compound, located a short distance from the Pakistan Military Academy, on May 2 last year.

    The compound was demolished by the Pakistan Army earlier this year. Officials found the diary along with 137,000 documents in the compound.

    Bin Laden used to write in the diary every day, the report said.

    The al-Qaida chief reportedly described in the diary how he had to bribe revenue officials for constructing his compound.

    The patwari, who was later arrested by Pakistani security agencies, was completely ignorant about the identity of bin Laden when he took the bribe.

    The diary reportedly revealed that bin Laden was well aware of the practice of revenue officials seeking bribes and even gave his permission for paying off the patwari.

    A judicial commission that investigated bin Laden’s presence in Pakistan and the US raid has pointed out “weaknesses” in state institutions in its report and “delineated the poor performance” of these organisations, the Jang reported.

    The commission’s report is yet to be presented to the government and officials have not said whether it will be made public

  14. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Indian Muslims should learn Arabic first. It is allah’s language. All other languages are not so important.

  15. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    A new USA is going to be born with capital in Jerusalem and Arabic as official language.

    Indian Muslims will get free entry provided they are fluent in Arabic.

  16. SM United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    A good article Raza. Very logical however, the discourse here like most discourse on Pakistani media is representative of Urban Pakistanis. Working in villages, I have seen that a very large number of Pakistanis especially in Sindh and South Punjab are still liberal. Unfortunately their voices are not heard and few are interested in knowing what they want or need.

  17. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    RAPE COUNTRY : Woman gang-raped in Tamilnadu, 10 arrested
    Virudhachalam (TN), Dec 26, 2012 (PTI):

    A 20-year-old woman was allegedly gang-raped by 10 RSS workers (who run a gym) on the banks of Manimukta River near here.

    [RSS treats rape as a Physical 'Exercise' / Allbody workout. This is from the perspective of the rapist i.e.]

    The woman, hailing from Guru-Mangalam village in Cuddalore District, was speaking to her relative on the banks of the river when the RSS gang members pounced on her.

    The gang attacked the women’s relative when he tried to protect her ; and subsequently raped her beside the river bank.

    Based on the women’s complaint, police registered a case and admitted her to Mundiampakkam Medical College hospital.

    – Not to exaggerate — everyday there are 5000 rapes (on an All India Basis). Therefore it is justified to label/call/BRAND “INDIA” as a Rape-Country.. A country where men treat Rape as an All Body Workout.

    Travel to India – if you wanna get gang-raped… (and even killed). OMG..

  18. tejender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Indian Muslims will get free entry provided they are fluent in Arabic

    arabic and persian was national language of india for 800 years.learning arabic is not bad idea.starting from 200 miles from mumbai to sudan and 25%of africa arabic is official language.indian muslims will not get free entry but their chances of employment will increase.
    america is useless place to work and stay.muslim countries are far better and stable.u will find americans searching jobs in muslim brother get 22000 dollar per month in saudia(take home)canada he used to get 10000/.working hours also were terrible.saudia is corruption and crime free ountry.

  19. Dronacharya Saudi Arabia Mozilla Firefox Windows says:



  20. Kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Majumdar dada

    It is a wide thoroughfare. It starts from MNI’s right foot, includes all of aasif/scout et al on the left middle and stretches all the way to yusufzai and Urstruly and Amir Liaqat on the right middle. It does NOT include people like RHR and AKC. These latter are very very few in number and are pretty much outsiders – Indians, I call them.

  21. ravi United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    hinndufatwadis Welcome Modisi Signing of New Constitution.

    Lured by the promise of absolute power, Modisi has made peace with the Yaar Yess Yess. Time has now come to repay the Price for Power. In an act, designed to fulfil a promise made to his late father, Modisi has replaced the अछूत constitution of India, with a new ब्र्हमानिक प्राधिकारानुवर्तन संघटन. A panel of 7 semi-naked टैट ल्नड्गोट wearing legislators sat in चिंतन for half a day and concluded that a Hindu constitution had already been in existence for thousands of years. A प्रासादस्थनिये declaration proclaimed मनु स्म्रीती as the new constitution of India.

    Mindful of those 3000 years of western liberal grime, which had all but totally obliterated pious conservative Hindu thought, can only be eradicated by forceful thought leadership; a new committee named मस्तिष्क अवनेजन: was set-up. Led by तरुण विजय it has recommended that the following 10 Commandments be carried out straight away.

    1. A L L History books ever written should be burnt at once and Historians Romilla Thapar, R.S. Sharma and Arjun Dave be executed for Treason against Hindu Truth (is there any other?).

    2. NCERT – run by anti-Hindu Euro-Indians should be shut down.

    3. A L L Schools should be re-named as The Convent of Saraswati Shishu Mandir, to engulf conservative Hindus and Ipad owning, Mall Rats in a single concept.

    4. Patriotism is good but it will take भारत वर्ष only so far and no further, better to replace it with blind bigotry and fanaticism, which promises इमथा राम राज्य .

    5. All books from now on will be published by विद्या भारती Publications and will be personally edited by The उपकुलपति, Professor & Double Doctor Murli Manohar Joshi. Hindus will be set the objective of contributing the second most vital mathematical concept, the -ve Constant, needed to debunk Quantum Physics.

    6. Nehru Topi, Skull Caps and even colourful turbans are banned. Wearing of काली टोपी will earn the fashionista 10% discount in Desi Shops. Black Cap will be compulsory for the follicly challenged digital chat उपाध्याय.

    7. ALL forms of personal greetings are banned from this moment; they are to be replaced by a Half Mast Salute and clear full-throated rendition of जय राम जी की. Any dissenter heard uttering जय हराम जी की, will be लाठी beaten to death.

    8. Price of मूंग की दाल will be set at half that of black महा दी दाल.

    9. To avoid any Quota type issues, Education will be exclusively available to Brahmin Caste only, and will be दक्षिणा funded. All knowledge will be transmitted orally and retained in a rote learning fashion. Naturally recall tests will be Oral.

    10. A conscription army – consisting of ALL क्षत्रीय in भारत वर्ष – will be mandated to recover traditional Hindu Lands – which lay between the Hindu Kush to Port Morseby.

  22. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    kaal/mtg need ur expert comment.

  23. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    Now you too believe in fairy tails reports about Sheikh Osama?

    They are just for birds and to create suspense about the man. Any one with healthy common sense and some kowledge of the techmology and the Geography could watch live every single house in Abbotabad and its residents who go in and out of the house.

    Rex Minor

    No one could have built or reside in a house in the military cantonment without the knowledge and permission of the military commander and/or the police chief.
    The Seals crossed over into the country with their choppers after permission from Pakistan military.

    Rex Minor

  24. RHR United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Majumdar and Kaal

    Well nice to hear the chowkie nick names..

    Chowk’s demise was one of the saddest things to hve happnenedto blog sphere.

    I sometimes really miss it….


    Skeptical ( I miss my own nick name too!!!!)

  25. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    No one could have built or reside in a house in the military cantonment without the knowledge and permission of the military commander and/or the police chief

    it is possible as ossama had good following in pak they might be hiding him was safest place.nobody could suspect.
    in our area everything is possible.

  26. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Sheikh will go in hell. We need true Muslims like bin Quasim, And abdus Salam…

  27. Mohan United Arab Emirates Safari iPad says:


    Good link. Article made me smile. Hypocrisy at its peak.

  28. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “Majority of Pakistanis are peace loving and only a tiny minority of extremists are responsible for Pakistan’s bad image…..but most popular name in Pakistan is Osama.”
    Why do we in the rest of the world hide our heads in the sand?

  29. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:


    You are an infidel and therefore cannot differentiate between the heaven and hell! There are those who regard the Sheikh from Arabia as Osamus magnus who is now in the holy kingdom well out of bound and out of reach for living humans. He served the underdogs of the muslim world, and kept his faith. His struggle will be remembered in history along with the choosen muslim warriors including Saladin who confronted the power of the infidels.

    Rex Minor

  30. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:


    Who realy knows the truth about the Sheikh? Pakistani Generals who claim to have had no knowledge but put out contridictory info about him, the Afro-American who announced the details of the action which the special forces udertook o his orders as well as the disposa of his remains or those of the Seals who claimed to have been involved in the act?

    Let us wait when either the wikileak puts out a more tangible info or when the Pentagon documents get declassified. In the meantime the story of Abbotabad drama is nothing more than a hollywood scenarion for mama stories.

    Rex Minor

  31. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    well said, and Indians is the lowest denomination which the anglo saxons give to the natives of a land. Rarely though, the natives accepting the nmae ‘indians’ for themselves. The indo-germanic do, however, differentiate between the Indians from India versus those from the American continent, ‘Inder’ beig the title.

    Rex Minor

  32. Maggu India Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    “MALAYATTOOR: Five NCC ( National Cadets Corps) cadets drowned in Periyar on Wednesday after they ventured into a deep spot of the river at Mullamkuzhy, near Kalady, some 30-km from Kochi.
    Though “strict instructions” were given to cadets not to “venture into water bodies”, there were no warning flags raised near the spot in spite of the fact that the authorities had already decided it as the rest and refreshment zone.
    Wednesday’s tragic event unfurled when cadets Hemant Kumar (15), Mohammad Zeeshan (18), Tabish Baqri (18), Dilshad Alam (18) and Gulvez Ahmed (18) hopped on the rocks and moved to the centre of the river ignoring warning from peer and local people.
    They were caught in the fast currents and swept away as they entered the water.
    Now of the five who drowned, four were momin. What is the mystery here?

  33. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Sheikh started out as a good Muslim sacrificing wealth for allah’s cause but then killed innocent people – he is probably already in hell – Allah is most just.

  34. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:


    Osamus magnus sanctus! Let that be the first to throw stone who has not sinned, and the story goes that no one came forward to stone the alleged adultress in the presence of Jesus(pbuh).

    we are all sinners, and stop video watching and living in the babylonian prison.

    rex Minor

  35. Maggu India Safari iPad says:

    “Let that be the first to throw stone who has not sinned, and the story goes that no one came forward to stone the alleged adultress in the presence of Jesus(pbuh).”
    Typical sausage eaters argument. Accusing the rest of the world for imaginary and real transgressions is legit but for the pure…. A very sanctimonious ” alla knows best.”
    All Hail the wurst

  36. Radio Deutsche Welle Netherlands Google Chrome Windows says:

    Who let Rex Minor, Tajender, Dronoacharya, and Mullah Ravi out from the lunatic asylum? We need better security.

  37. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Radio Deutsche Welle says:
    December 27, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Who let Rex Minor, Tajender, Dronoacharya, and Mullah Ravi out from the lunatic asylum? We need better security

    achcha hae kee patlee galee se phoot lo.phir kabhi idhar na aau.

  38. Radio Deutsche Welle Netherlands Google Chrome Windows says:

    tajender, English only please.

    Are Rex Minor, Tajender, Dronoacharya, and Mullah Ravi the four Islamic leaders here? They show all the signs of what Islam can do to men.

  39. Radio Deutsche Welle Netherlands Google Chrome Windows says:

    The Author

    Sitting in a post-Christian Europe, we can now see clearly that Islam is a disease, a cancer, a madness of the weak-minded. This disease remains under some control when Muslims live with others in other dominant cultural traditions. In Pakistan Islam has been granted full play. Pakistan has become Islam.

  40. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    And who is this from Radio DW calling himself ‘we’. DW represents Germany in the international media landscape……….. It conveys the country as a nation rooted in European culture and as a liberal democratic state based on the rule of law. By calling Islam a decease , you have just broken the law and denegraded the millions who live in Europe.

    Rex Minor

  41. tajender United Arab Emirates Internet Explorer Windows says:

    The Author

    Sitting in a post-Christian Europe, we can now see clearly that Islam is a disease, a cancer

    then why u have come here.u will be infected.things are other way around.whereever u go u loot the resources and pauperize local inhabitants.

  42. Rex Minor Germany Google Chrome Windows says:

    You still did not tell the ‘we’ from DW, what you said in the coded language. I bet you did not say, “Arse hole” or did you, in german language it is ‘Arschloch’ a bit more technical but realy means ‘Nut’.

    Rex Minor

  43. Kamath. Canada Safari iPad says:

    RHR, mon ami: you are accusing everybody in Pakistan or your column gives an impression that there are no liberals left in Pakistan.

    That is not true. There are millions who are thoughtful, civilized, humane,tax paying and liberal, etc. etc. their number is obviously small and can only live in a mine field of extremists and their pet brand of fanatical views.

    It is the same anywhere you go.

  44. kaalchakra United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:


    Dada, would it be possible to probe that thought further with you? Do you think thoughtful, civilized, humane, tax-paying people could also be conservatives, Islamists, regressives, although I am not too sure about Hindus, but Hindus too?

    My fear is that we may be mistaking thoughtful, civiized, humane, tax-paying behavior for liberalism without any basis at all.

  45. RHR United States Google Chrome Windows says:


    That was spot on!!!

    Financially “honest” behavior is not always liberal behavior..

  46. Kaalchakra United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Yes, RHR. Another problem relates to external projections of existence without any evidence. For instance, were I speaking to drone, I would explain: it is rather absurd to assume that millions of decent non-rapist Hindus exist in India but they are not able to prevent RSS/BJP from constantly perpetrating the many atrocities he so passionately writes about. Either the existence of such millions cannot be easily assumed from the outside or what he writes about does not happen.

    IMHO, if we paid a little more attention to the logical structure of our arguments, our conversations would go farther.

  47. Kamath. Canada Safari iPad says:

    Kaalchakra: Arre Baba, I was not trying to solve a mathematical problem here, Yaar. I was thinking about liberal thinking men and women in Pakistan.
    So Shalom.

  48. Milestogo United States Safari iPhone says:

    Sinners will go in hell – Allah is impartial and just.

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