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Hate Destroys

By Saad Hafiz

The sectarian schism, which leads to unending violence, is probably the most deadly of Pakistan’s list of self-inflicted problems. The historic manipulation of religion by the state for political purposes has sowed the seeds of hateful intra-religious sectarian division. Sectarian violence is not only pervasive, it also accentuates divisions within Pakistan and underlines the ineptness of the government and security services in stemming this phenomenon. During the last 35 years, thousands of people, mostly from minority sects, have been killed and thousands more maimed in attacks by zealots from rival sects in Pakistan. For hardline Sunni sectarian groups, Ahmedis, Shias and even fellow Sunnis are fair game. Their lethal attacks on Shia ulema (clerics) and professionals have generated a violent Shia backlash. The French political philosopher, Montesquieu said, “If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice.” Pakistan is at that crossroad as the purveyors of a contemptuous sectarianism ruthlessly sweep the land.

Religious slogans and symbolism were widely used during the campaign for Pakistan’s creation, and remain a potent rallying cry for religion-based politics. Sectarianism can also be attributed to the divergent forces that led to the creation of Pakistan. However, sectarianism in Pakistan today has very little to do with intrinsic religious differences or deeply rooted and irreconcilable cultural differences between groups or with 1,400 years of Islamic history. Contemporary sectarianism has more to do with the projection of majority power and achievement of political aims. It has been helped by the state taking upon itself the role to determine who is and who is not a true Muslim, which has raised religious identity and religious correctness to become larger issues in Pakistan’s political discourse. As the state has increasingly taken on an Islamic character, sectarian differences have become even more firmly embedded in society.

Past governments, particularly since the 1970s, have tolerated significant levels of intimidation and attacks on minorities. Some actively stoked the demonisation of minority religious sects to remain in power. It has been endlessly useful to ruling elites, demagogues and dictators to have some minority to blame for problems, to deflect outrage from their own failures and to bind an otherwise fractious community together against a common enemy. Even secular civilian and military leaders found it expedient to argue, from time to time, that the nation must mobilise to fend off threats to Islam or to Pakistan’s Islamic ideology. These leaders might or might not have truly believed in sectarian differences but they are perfectly happy to take advantage of them when it suits their goals. The painful reality is that sectarianism proved too useful to too many powerful actors, and too compelling a narrative in a violent, turbulent and uncertain time, to be avoided. Conditions for state failure — uncertainty, fear and economic hardship — have added to the toxic conditions for sectarianism to gain traction.

The proliferation and entrenchment of sectarian rhetoric over the previous decade have been especially destructive. The sectarian incitement, which pollutes sections of the media, and which floods through politicised mosques and religious networks, provides the master frame that increasingly makes sense to people who, a decade ago, would have angrily waved such rhetoric away. Televised slaughter, rumours of sectarian or ethnic targeting and the wide circulation of hostile rhetoric are a benefit, not an unfortunate side product of their efforts. This ratcheting effect is the reason for the deepest concern about the trends of the last few years. Sectarian promoters might think that they can turn the hatred on and off as it suits their interests but, at some point, these differences become self-sustaining and internalised. It is far easier to generate and mobilise sectarian animosities than it is to calm them down.

The way back from the abyss will require that deeply entrenched, divisive sectarian narratives change and find wide public circulation and resonance. It will also require the management of the social and political role of religion on numerous institutional levels. A factor that may assist in reversing sectarianism is that the sectarian militias, which were used and controlled by the military for strategic and ideological purposes, have turned against their former masters and bankrollers. The all-powerful military may now have a stake in taking up the serious challenge of rolling back extremist beliefs.

The counter-sectarian narrative could be built around the following argument: first, a modern state should be founded on the basis of democracy and secularism; second, politics and religion should be separable; third, religion is not a nation-building and state consolidation tool; fourth, majoritarianism cannot be the basis of tyranny and last, pluralism and political and cultural differences are essential in a democratic society. Perhaps Pakistan can redeem itself on this basis and crawl out of the sectarian mess it has put itself in. Otherwise, for the foreseeable future, sectarian Islamist militancy will remain a serious threat to Pakistan and regional stability.

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43 Responses to "Hate Destroys"

  1. Kamath. Canada Safari iPad says:

    Yes , .Hate destroys. It is counter productive for it pollutes the mind of the society and turns it into fertile ground that breeds ideas of violence, conflict, a sort of schizophrenia. And then society will be the ultimate loser and victim.
    This the beginning of the road to self destruction.

  2. Afzal Hasan United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    We, so many IT Unit Members through “Youths Research Union” have noted the following matter that the muslims of Pakistan have been suffering more and more due to the fact that, in this enlightened age of knowledge they have been still in the dark that in the British Era those so called Muslims who were the PET DOGS from public, working for British Regime, were used to be honoured as SIRS and so was Sir Syed. The explicit proof is the country Pakistan itself that was created through the dangerous conspiracies of Free Mason and Sabahi Decendents-Sultan Aghakhan who, in full command of the Aligarh Muslim University, made himself as “Founder Pro-Vice Chancellor”, hijacked Pakistan Movement and created from his sect, the so called Creator of Pakistan who was not jailed for a single moment whereas the genuine and real Pioneers, sunni muslims having sterling character and noble parentage with high education like Maulana Hasrat Mohani, Allama Mashriqi, Bahadur Yarjung who with their party members had passed half of life in jail. Their partymen and some of the family members were killed . They were all sidelined through the underhand dealings between Western powers and Minority sects and generally the duffer Pakistanies hardly know anything about them. Jinnah Poonja, drinker of high quality wine and fond of pork dishes, the carbon copy of an English man was made Founder of UK, US and Jewish planned Pakistan.In the later life he was converted as Shia according to Free Masonary Plannimg; to show aloofness from his Guru Aghakhan and to give foundation coverage to both these Sects so they can do anything unhuman they wish. That is why from these and the allied factions their dogs are commonly found in civil and military everywhere supposing themselves the only custodians of this country. Also from the very beginning, Pakistan Gazzetes are all times Proofs that Jinnah, installed on all the Key and Commanding Posts whether civil or military his selected favourite persons from all the minority sects. Sir Zafrullah, a Qadiani (the parallel sect of Aghakhanies) was the Foreign Minister in the Jinnah Regime then he was promoted to UNO as Pakistani Representative with Kashmir folio specially at his hand. Again he was elevated, through UNO to the designation of the Judge of International court yet it is the self-proclaiming proof what is the tragic plight of Kashmir for the last 66 years.
    Aghakhani Jamatkhana,Kharadar was built on THE LAND OF PORT TRUST THAT IS LEGALLY NOT USABLE BY ANY PUBLIC CIRCLE. All the main financial concerns whether Govt. or private were monopolized to Habib Bank of Shias, Timber market and Tram Company to mostly Bories, Jubilee Insurance, Empress Market to mostly Aghakhanies. These are the few apparent examples , greater may be the inside mysteries..
    It is before all that in such modern times, Billions of Rupees of this BEGGAR COUNTRY are wasted on the security of the wild processions with the roadside show-business which is absolutely reverse to Islamic Ideals whereby NO Muslim is permitted to hinder any public passage or daily necessities of even any non-muslim for offering even the obligatory prayers-NAMAZ. Strange to strange are the facts that the homes and earning places of the people are converted to SUB-JAILS and they are not allowed to outside workings !!! These processions of Junglies, with totally unauthentic history of false fiction stories of Karbala ( for which only and only their fore-fathers and ancestors, the first and main enemies of Ahl-e-bait from Iran and Iraq, were completely responsible),are deliberately led through the areas, (e.g. Binnori Masjid ) where there is no shia population or any concern, to add fuel to the fire. This jungle-raj is going on since the sectarian dogs of Jinnah have been sitting on high places. These Sectarian Terrorists, believing these wildness as under some heavenly command, put forward openly arms display that were used in the recent incident of Rawalpindi for the butchery and setting fire of the innocent children.
    The so called founder himself was the Greatest Sectarian !! By the time he became all in all. ( ANDHO MEIN KANA RAJA ). He was the Governor (no doubt of Britishers to serve their purposes), Party Head., Cabinet Head, Head of the constitution committee etc. As this country is the 8th wonder of the world, it is strange that the man, who is foolishly believed to be the Founder of this Islamic nation, could not make its Islamic constitution in spite of being all in all. After partition Shabbir Ahmed Usmani requested that Khoja to declare that the constitution of Pakistan would be Islamic, the Maulana was stunned to receive the Flat Reply that ‘this is NOT the time to talk such. In this reference it is remarkable to note that THE FIRST CHRISTIAN CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN, RESPECTABLE A.R. CORNELIOUS TIME TO TIME EXPRESSED THAT “IT IS SURPRISING WHY THE GOVT. DOES’NT ENFORCE ISLAMIC LEGISLATION!!” It is also worth noting how he had stupefied the ignorant and duffer masses that whenever anyone would ask him about Islamic Constitution, he used to avoid the question by giving the airy reply that “Our constitution is already made up before 1400 years” At this the emotional fools used to enjoy that ‘What the nice reply ’ but these idiots could not understand what the NICE joke and fun it was! Similarly he used to issue ambiguous table statements ( generally prepared by western lobbies who had trained him during his self exile ) to let the fools be in useless complexity. It is quite understandable, in the light of the conspiracies against muslims that can any Aghakhani,Shia,Bori or Qadiani do anything for Muslims or Islam since they themselves have made self addition in the very first and fundamental principle KALEMA that was never done by any ummas of all the former Prophets (A.S.) and also in AZAN and have created every difference from Alam-e-Islam and have always worked as the snakes of sleeves. Their salam is ‘ Ya Ali Madad ’ and ‘ Maula Madad ’ It means H. Ali is placed in place of Allah T’ala ( Astg’ferullah ) Although it is on every reliable historical record that the period of the Caliphate of H.Ali was made quite a failure and miserable by his Hypocrite Helpers who influenced him to transfer his Caliphate to Iraq and in this way they got him trapped and behaved with him wrongly that is reflected through “ Nehj-ul-Balaga ”( The respectable book of Shias ) that he passed the rest of his life cursing his so called helpers and ultimately he was assassinated by one of them. Yet they believe that ‘ Imam is superior to Prophet ’ In Iraq they joined their hands with American lobbies to come into powers. Taliban being highly successful to establish for five years the rule of law ending all sorts of corruption in Afghanistan, Aghakhanies invited US to come to save their Religious Fraud. To create the Western planned Pakistan, all the hypocrite sects under the plot through Sultan Aghakhan joined hands with their Western Masters. Again their followers being everywhere among us , serve the purpose more than that of US-CIA knowing every weakness to utilize at their advantage. Publically they undertake the welfare and philanthropic works such as establishing schools, colleges and Universities, hospitals, charity centres appearing peaceful and cultured, behind which they carry on anything against the Muslim Societies and Nations.
    The most disastrous fraud of 19-20th century in the name of All India Muslim League was also founded by this Sultan Agakhan and its first and foremost members were Sirs,Chaudharies,Vaderas, Khans and all the extreme minority sectarian elements for their specific motives and its main office was at Lucknow the home of extreme Shias. The full planning of the Founder Dog and his Masters was to overwhelm and enslave the vast Sunni majority and to stop Islamic Constitution to take shape. The Planners and Policy makers of this League were two Britishers who were posted, one after other as Principals of Aligarh Muslim University.( most authentic History of Independence Movement by Majumdar ) All such goonda –badmash,opportunist and selfish elements and their decendents have been continuously riding over this unfortunate country and its 66 years history shows that the figure of the muslims killed in this country is the highest in the world in comparision to any muslim or nonmuslim country. Why is it so?
    Ask the new Muslims who have converted from Aghakhani (or Ismaili) Khojas as to what Sultan Aghakhan and his heirs, who make his followers to bow down before his huge portrait, have to do with Islam, Muslims or even Insan.
    He used Sir Syed, the fool with big beard and cap, as the Signboard by making that stupid so said Great Educationalist to implement the policies of his own sectarian hold and to brain wash of muslim youths. He had brought with him on one stage all the minority sects. All these Sectarian Heads drag away Billions,Trillions of dollars as Religious Tax from their idiot followers.As they charge Zaqat @ 12-50% from the Gross Income plus Kaffaras & Nazranas. According to them, for Ismailies there is no need of Namaz, Roza, Hajj, Wazoo, Taharat since they are supposed Jannati in advance. As said to them, Quraan-e-Karim is not understandable by the followers, only Imam can understand it. The followers are advised to read their sectarian book GINAN which was prepared by Sultan Aghakhan and there is SO MUCH inside.
    Also this great intriguer wanted to establish his Land-Sovereignty in the regions ( that he could NOT have been able to do in undivided India ) where his poor and ignorant countrymen as his followers are in majority (of course the Paid and Purchased Followers). With all this mysterious black background , he knew well that if Pakistan would be really Islamic country.all the falsehood of his Imamat,Sabahiat and his Mass Wealth will come to end. Every of the sectarian Heads is fully supported by the Western, UK-US and Jewish lobbies. That is why Jinnah Poonja who had nothing to do with Islam, Muslim or Insan, made the first part of Actorship as the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity and taking the advantage of communal differences, started preaching and propagating against Hindu religion and culture to effect his Masters’ “Divide and Rule” policies . Although our Prophet (P.B.U.H.) had never differentiated like this and never He (P.B.U.H.) preached against any non-muslims as did Jinnah. ( Ref. the lesson Pakistan Zindabad, Text-Book Class XI ) All about these research work, on the Press Record there is explicit proof that Sultan Aghakhan had got booked and leased very very vast land properties some 20-30-40-50 years before partition in the regions that were going to be shaped by UK-US as Pakistan which is so much different from what the real motivators and pioneers had demanded. So it is quite clear that the present Pakistan is the product of underhand dealings and conspiracies between UK-US and Jewish lobbies on one side and on the other, Aghakhani,Shias, Bories, Qadianies; the sects that have nothing to do with Islam or even Insan since their such dangerous plots have killed millions and millions of non-muslims and muslims alike and millions are living UNDESTINED and it was the full planning to divert the Muslim Destiny that has been done. Jinnah Poonja was assured that India must and must be divided according to the plot prepared by UK,US,JEWS and SULTAN AGHA. This is how the trained and fully backed Monkey was dancing as the most steadfast and unpurchasable since who can bid above his supporters ! International Political Game of US was to replace UK from the sub-continent by itself(US) that has been done 100% in Pakistan and 50% in India. Maulana Azad had shown red light against this before partition and all his forecasts have turned out to be true. It is hopeful that in the light of this, Pak Media (Geo TV) accepted on the night of 23rd March,2012 that the partition was the conspiracy to break the Muslim unity and strength as the muslims of India were divided FOUR fragments; East Pak,West Pak, India and Kashmir out of which the remaining Pak and Kashmir find themselves NOWHERE. The so said learned men of that time did not realize that in the near past, Kamal Ataturk of Turkey was, like Jinnah was also manufactured in the Western Workshops to westernize and degenerate Turkey in the same way. To make the Aghakhani Jinnah , the “TUG OF WAR DRAMA” was set forth by his western masters as this “Masters: We will not allow you to separate and make Pakistan ; Jinnah : I will fight the case and will take it ” This how he was made Hero and unnecessary Advocate for the senseless masses who were trapped in the cunning plot as if receiving this country as merciful charity due to Jinnah- the greatest FRAUD with millions and millions of ignorant people.
    If your Sir Syed had any sense or ‘AWARENESS’. He should have thought why this Sultan Aghakhan whose syndrome is totally against Islam, appears everywhere in the first rows of Pakistan Movement.

  3. PMA United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Saad Hafiz Sahab:
    Thanks for taking up a very important subject. Sectarianism and Ethnic Nationalism are twin threats to Pakistan.
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    Before independence Pakistan did not see any sectarian violence. The religious demography of Pakistan dramatically changed after 1947. A large number of Shi’a, Deobandi, and Brelvi Mullahs came over to Pakistan and set up religious schools in every urban center. The Moududis, Usmanis, Nooranis and Jaaferis are all Indian imports as are the religious political parties such as Fiqa-e-Jaaferia, Jaam’at-e-Islami, Jame’at-e-Ulma-e-Hind now operating as Ulma-e-Islam and Ulma-e-Pakistan. May be in the Muslim-minority states of India these parties had a role to play. But Pakistan was already a Muslim-majority area bordering with other Muslim countries to its west. It need not to become “more Muslim.” Not only that, the Ahmadis who had supported Jinnah moved their head quarter from Qadian, India to Pakistan at a new city called Rubwa. The first anti-Ahmadi riots in 1953 were instigated by the leadership of Ahrar and Jaam’at-e-Islami to destabilize the central government of Khawaja Nazim-ud-din. Sectarianism got another boost when after 1973 under Shah Faisal the oil fields were nationalized. Wahabism and Deobandi sects got financial backing from the petro-Arabs. Shi’a mullahs got their international backing when Shah of Iran was overthrown in 1979. Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, American backed Mujahidden, Pak-Saudi backed Taleban – all of these international developments and poverty, illiteracy and ignorance of our own people have contributed to the sectarian mess that we see in Pakistan today. Blaming our politicians and military junta is not enough. The real culprit are the Mullahs, the parasites who live on foreign dole and the blood of our people.

  4. kaalchakra United States Google Chrome  GT-N8013 Build/JZO54K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.59 Safari/537.36 says:

    If Mullahs are the real problem and if what Sher Sultan writes in the other article is true then the challenge may be beyond the capacity of the Pakistani state to overcome. Luckily, Mullahs are not at all the problem. Unluckily, if one may use the expression, the ‘problem’ for elite and the liberals are the ordinary, garden-variety, educated, middle-class citizens who see things differently than do the elite who wish to protect their existing privileges and the liberals who would like to dream of complete system alternatives.

    The gap between the liberals and elites of Pakistan and Pakistanis on the street is pretty much the same as that between Tajender and Indians – except that Tajender is smarter; he knows how to wrap his Maududi as his Mao and appeal to a good number of practically uneducated Indians. Perhaps a similar packaging may help Pakistani liberals and elite too connect with those others looking for significant change without significant modification.

  5. Vish United Kingdom Google Chrome Windows says:

    Kaal, on the dot. Mullahs are not the problem but then one needs a scapegoat.

  6. thoughtful Germany Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    To say hate destroys means to say islam destroys.

    Islam is the ideology of arrogance-leading-to-hate from 7th century Makkah.

    The islamic mono-god-concept is fanatic-fascistic.

    How long will you muslims deny this? Self-glorification days are over for you.

  7. Salman Arshad Pakistan Google Chrome  Galaxy Nexus Build/JWR66Y) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.59 Mobile Safari/537.36 says:

    @kaalchakra
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    Mullahs are not the problem, they are the drivers and the real stakeholders.
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    What is missing is Liberal scholars who could bring about a potent enough theoretical base and their version of “mullahs” to propagate it.
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    Mullahs are simply there because there is no rival.

  8. Salman Arshad Pakistan Google Chrome  Galaxy Nexus Build/JWR66Y) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.59 Mobile Safari/537.36 says:

    @Afzal Hasan
    Your analysis is still speculation. No proofs really. Those minority sects were and still are the most educated and so are dominant.
    That is the same reason the west dominates still. That China is beginning to be the next dominant power.
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    And whoever is dominant makes sure things go according to how they wish.
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    As for Islam, sorry, much superior thought systems now exist and Islam though once the superior most, was replaced long ago.

  9. akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @saad Hafiz

    It’s the same regurgitation which the Mirjai’s try to heap up their propaganda with under cover of other sects.
    State of Pakistan goes by the democratic vote of its citizens and it’s they who delegate power to the state to decide who a Muslim is or not, after judging them by their word and deeds. Same way the terrorists are adjudged by the state and its citizens. Both the Mirjai’s and Terrorists belong to the same category of insurgents who defy Constitution, democracy, the judiciary and all that a state contains. Both of them are condemnable.
    As for Shias, the tussle between them and the Sunni’s is ancient,,.
    and will never cease because both these sects want to hold on to their grounds..the Shia’s being in minority, a mere 7 or 8 percent of Pakistan’s population want to have their own way in Pakistan without regard to the Sunni majority. And it’s here that the fight begins!!
    Same is with Mirjai deviates who imitate Muslims and their practices and such call for trouble themselves.
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    Mullahs have never been at the helm head of the affairs of Pakistan and to blame them wholly for the mess is rubbish. In truth Pakistan has always been ruled by educated and so called learned elite and it’s they who are real root cause of trouble for the country and its people, by not framing good policies.
    Shia’s are arch enemies of Sunni’s and both of them are equally responsible for killing each other….and more.
    Mirjai’s must rest assure that both Sunni’s and Shia’s will never let them have their way as they want and perhaps one day they will kick Mirjai’s out of Pakistan as Iran did to Bahai’s!

    .

  10. akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @Afzal Hasan

    It’s apparent that the Aga Khani’s have deviated from fundamental Islamic tenets but what about the Mirjai’s?? Wasn’t Mirja Ghulla a slave of the colonial British and craving for rewards from them? Wasn’t he who betrayed both Muslims and HIndu’s at the behest of his British lords with the intent of defeating the Indian Independence Movement??
    You have done a good ”analysis’ but you forgot to include the Mirjai cult which continues to hold a grudge against all Muslims together.
    As such all deviates from the fundamental tenets of Islam and terrorists are the same….and are highly condemnable.

  11. kaalchakra United States Google Chrome  GT-N8013 Build/JZO54K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.59 Safari/537.36 says:

    Salman Arshad, true. And it’s hard to say which of the two is the greater challenge ahead – building a genuinely compelling theoretical base you mentioned or finding ways of, and ‘mullahs’ up to the challenge of, propagating it beyond the ideational core – across a rather hostile, amittedly competitive terrain. Either way, the journey whose trajectory is neither at least broadly mapped nor consciously started won’t be easily completed. Wish there was a more anodyne way to say that, but there isn’t.

  12. saad Cayman Islands Google Chrome Windows says:

    PMA sb:

    Blaming the Mullahs for sectarianism is a convenient red herring used to hide the misdeeds of the establishment.

    The other fact is that you cannot keep a country together by force. Ethnic nationalism is a by-product of failed national policies that have continually alienated national groups.

  13. Anjaan Netherlands Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Yeh … hate begotten more hate … that is the fundamental issue with Pakistan …

    It all started with India and the Hindus … a culture of systematic inculcation of hatred, through all possible means … starting with the schools text books …

    Now it is all pervasive … Hindus are decimated … now it is Muslims against Muslims … killing in the name of Allah … GOD is great …

  14. PMA United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    saad Cayman Islands November 30, 2013 at 8:18 pm
    Rulers of Pakistan use sectarian card whenever it serves their purposes. But Mullahs are the real owners of the creed; the “wajab-ul-qatle” fatwa brigade.
    National policies are made in Islamabad where all provinces have due representation in the upper and the lower houses. Ethnic Nationalism is another animal altogether.
    Saad Hafiz Sahab you and I have different perspective of Pakistan. You, sir support Ethnic Nationalism and will like to reorganize the country on ethnic lines. I on the other hand am against Ethnic Nationalism. I do not think that we will agree on this subject.

  15. kaalchakra United States Google Chrome  GT-N8013 Build/JZO54K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.59 Safari/537.36 says:

    Saad Sahib can’t be accused of nursing ethnic (Punjabi) nationalism. At worst, he appears to believe in the existence of the geographic/cultural/histrical nationalisms of Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, and Pashtunkhwa. He appears to question the wisdom of using ‘Mullahs’ and ‘Islam’ to build a wider geographic/cultural/historical nationalism of all these peoples together. He might see it as none too veiled an attempt to pass off religious nationalism as geographical nationalism.

    Akb, if I understand him right, appears to think that this Mullah/religion-based Pakistani ‘geographical’ nationalism will come apart. Saad thinks it will put the much – maligned Mullahs in the drivers seat.

    (Saad sahib, if I inadvertently misstated your position, kindly correct me. Thanks.)

  16. saad Cayman Islands Google Chrome Windows says:

    Thanks Kaal: you are spot on as usual and should write in my stead!

    My greatest disappointment is watching Pakistan make the same mistakes over and over again based on false narratives.

    The raison tete for Partition and Pakistan was questionable but we are beyond that. I have always hoped that Pakistan (ex-Bangladesh) would at least turnout to be a pluralistic democratic state with its people secure in being Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi and Baluchi.

    Instead, we have a insecure blend of Pakistan Military Academy (PMA), mostly Punjabi feudals and Sunni sectarian types ruling the roost and controlling the national discourse. It is a certain recipe for disaster.

  17. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @PMA

    Saad is correct in targeting the establishment for all the troubles.
    Mullah’s come second and they are there because Pakistan is a Muslim state and by rule of democracy the Muslim majority votes for Islam….Even you held a referendum asking two questions: Do you want Islam in Pakistan or Not…the majority will say Yes, we want Islam. It’s here Mullah gets the leverage….and establishment fails. Just like Zulfikar Bhutto failed…..or, on the contrary, he succeeded in advancing democratic right of the Muslim Majority through parliamentary consensus in banning certain unIslamic things in Pakistan, Thus if we blame establishment for failure we must also blame the democratic institution as it is in Pakistan.
    Unless democracy in its modern form is done away with there can be NO hope of either mending the ways of the establishment or the clergy.
    Thus Pakistan lies in double jeopardy….having no idea of its destination. And for the handful of liberals or seculars they will never have their say in the affairs of the govt….because in case of democracy they cannot outvote the majority, and in case of a Jallaad holding the command they will be atonce exterminated as in Saudia, UAE, etc,

  18. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @saad

    It’s wrong to criticize Punjabi’s abundance in the armed forces which are open for all ethnic, sectarian or religious races. Punjabi’s and Pathans make good fauji’s and this is why they are abundantly found in the armed forces…moreso because they often love to join the army as a safe career against poverty, hunger and deprivation in our society.
    You too could have joined the armed forces and have made yerself more disciplined.

  19. HistoryBuff United States Safari iPad says:

    “Hate is the problem”.
    “I hate mullahs”.

    ????

  20. HistoryBuff United States Safari iPad says:

    PMA wrote: “The Moududis, Usmanis, Nooranis and Jaaferis are all Indian imports”.

    The irony perhaps escapes him.

    Anyway, Jinnah too, is an Indian import.

  21. HistoryBuff United States Safari iPad says:

    The demand for Pakistan was not a regional demand by Muslim majority areas, it was an all-India demand. Moreover, the Muslim League never had a majority in undivided Punjab. In 1947 they had 77 of the 175 seats in the legislature. Gov. Jenkins noted “Private information suggests that Mamdot commands only 3 votes outside the League including 1 Muslim and 2 Scheduled Castes.”

    To term the supporters of Pakistan who moved there as “Indian imports” as though there was some native Pakistan originally on whom these people were imposed makes a mockery of the supposed agreement with the idea that “hate destroys”. You have to embrace these people, without them there would be no Pakistan.

  22. Qamruddin United States Internet Explorer Windows says:

    We think this comment is befitting here:

    Dears Tea-drinkers I found this appreciable by some sensible person :

    It is quite correctly said in the high level comment by Mr. Shabbir Ali that the senseless animal-like Pakistanies who are passing the lives of dogs and cats under NONSENSE DEMOCRACY ( COMPLETELY BOGUS,ILLOGICAL AND IMPRACTICABLE SYSTEM EVOLVED BY BASTARDS,RUFFIANS AND DRUNKARDS )
    Are completely blind at the facts most of the Pakistan Govts. with regard to the policies have remained ambiguous about Palestine since “ PALESTINE IS NOT AT ALL A MUSLIM COUNTRY AS ITS MAJORITY POPULATION IS SHIAS WHO HAVE MADE HTEIR OWN ADDITION IN THE VERY FIRST FOUNDING PRINCIPAL ‘ KALEMA ‘ AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE EVERY DIFFERENCE FROM MUSLIMS AND HAVE CREATED THEIR HOME MADE RELIGION. THEY HAVE ERECTED MASJIDE-DARRARS IN THE NAME OF IMAM VARHAS ( THE HYPOCRITES CALL IT IMAM BARGHAH- THE NEW INVENTION ) WHICH ARE MEANT TO CREAT EVERY FUSS, DISRUPTION AND CONTROVERSY AMONG MUSLIMS. THEY HAVE FABRICATED UTTERLY FALSE FICTION STORIES ABOUT THE EVENTS OF KARBALA. WHAT THEY CAN’T DO IF THEY REJECT THE REAL HITORY THAT ACCORDING TO ANY AUTHENIC HISTORY; FROM MUSLIMS OR NONMUSLIMS, H. ABUTALIB, H. ALI’S FATHER DIDN’T ACCEPT ISLAM IN SPITE OF ALL REQUESTS FROM OUR PROPHET (P.B.U.H.) WHEREAS THESE LIERS SAY THAT HE WAS THE FIRST TO ACCEPT ISLAM. THERE WERE THREE RESPECTABLE DAUGHTERS OF THE PROPHET(P.B.U.H.) BUT THESE BADMASH SAY THERE WAS ONLY ONE DAUGHTER. UMME-KULSUM bin ALI ABITALIB WAS THE RESPECTED WIFE OF HAZARAT UNER FAROOQ (R.A.) WHICH IS ALSO REFUTED BY THESE MEANEST CREATURES ON EARTH.
    It is apparent that if any muslim country believes Palestine as a muslim country or shows sympathy towards such ill fated lot, It is a great blunder wasting our faith. The two Most Respectable Rulers, Field Marshal M. Ayyub Khan and Shahid M. Zia-ul-Haq the sincere, faithful,honest,patriot Soldiers of the Soil from high level noble parentage, command the historical respect and dignity that is never challengeable. It is on historical records that at the time of Funeral of Shaheed M. Zia-ul-Haq, that Internationally how very great and grand respect, homage and tribute was paid to from almost all the countries of all over the world. Hardly there was a country that not sent Garland to pay tribute to the Shaheed.
    Also Gaibana Namaz-e-Janaza was offered in Kaabtu-llah through Royal arrangements. Our IT Research Members of various units have collected the following comment from the Net :
    The Rulers are judged by rule of law, peace, prosperity, well-being of public, lower and cheaper rates of necessities of life and overall progress and achievement for the country during their ruling period, when they have seen such splendid eras of Ayyub Khan and Shaheed M.Zia-ul-Haq, the brave soldiers of this soil, during whose times American,British and Jewish hidden hands were not allowed to cross ascertained limits in internal or external affairs of the country. Both these soldiers were from respectable and noble descenency who could never have been charged with any sort of corruption in spite of all the attempts of the pigs who came in power after them. Also on the real records and history, atomic bomb planing was initiated on the table of Ayyub Khan and completed on the table of M. Zia-ul-Haq whereas Z.A.Bhutto had only drametized the programme for his personal publicity with some official formalities that used to be highlighted to befool the duffer public.
    In the times of Ayyub Khan, sudden invasion of India,three times larger country,was made unsuccessful within 17 days and in the period M.Zia-ul-Haq,after the struggle of about four years,the army of the Second Power whose hundred years long dream was to reach upto warm waters, was sent home from Afghaistan.These were the great national achievements that made Pakistan internationally famous.It is also the undeniable record that both these patriotic and sincere rulers were requested and invited by the nationally responsible classes among the public to take control of the country that was going to be bewildered by the corrupt professional politicians as they have been doing for the last 25 years.Now one can understand the miserable public mind who give preference,over such dignified rulers,to the drunkard Z.A.Bhutto (Kashiram),himself a traitor and the son of a traitor, Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto,from Irani Shia decendency,who was the Diwan(P.M.) in Junagadh State whose Nawab declared the affiliation of the state with Pakistan but,according to some underhand dealing with the first Indian P.M.Jawaharlal Nehru,the fast friend of the Diwan,the Nawab was wrongly advised, under the pretext of safety purposes, to go to Pakistan,and after that Indian Army attacked and the State was submitted to India.The Diwan collecting the Booty shifted to Gadhi Khudabakhsh,Larkhana(Sind).

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    akb Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    November 21, 2013 at 3:54 am

  23. kaalchakra United States Google Chrome  GT-N8013 Build/JZO54K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.59 Safari/537.36 says:

    Qamruddin, there have always been rumors in India that Nehru and Kashiram were blood relatives. Given Kashiram’s shenanigans in Pakistan, we cant rule that out – although that relationship was never publicly acknowledged because Kashiram’ family had taken a Muslim name.

  24. PMA United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    saad Cayman Islands November 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm
    Saad Hafiz Sahab: We have to distinguish Ethnic Nationalism from Ethnicity. In a country as large as Pakistan where local dialects change every one hundred miles there are bound to be ethnic differences. There is no denying of that. But to use ethnic differences to promote Ethnic Nationalism is a dangerous proposition. There must be no Sindhi Nation, Punjabi Nation, Pashtun Nation or Balochi Nation within Pakistan. If we accept Ethnic Nationalism then Pakistan, if it continues to exist, must be a Confederation or Union of Nations. As you know Pakistan is a Federation of four provinces and two territories. These provinces and territories are not Republics and populations of these federated units do not consist of one singular ethnic group. In the constitution of Pakistan the federated units are not regarded as Ethnic Units.
    You have made statements such as “pluralistic democratic state with its people secure in being Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi and Baluchi”. Please take your time to tell us who or what is stopping people of Pakistan from being Sindhi, Punjabi, Balochi or Pashtun? Should State recognize each ethnic group as some sort of political entity? And if so then what political or constitutional status must be granted to such entity? Your comment: “Instead, we have a insecure blend of Pakistan Military Academy (PMA), mostly Punjabi feudals and Sunni sectarian types ruling the roost and controlling the national discourse. It is a certain recipe for disaster.” I sir do not speak for or represent Pak Military. You have shown disdain for the Armed Services of Pakistan and may continue to do that. Nor do I represent the Feudal class; not of any ethnic group. And, I am not sectarian. As I have repeatedly said, Sectarianism and Ethnic Nationalism are danger to the existence of Pakistan. Here is where I stand. Pak Military must stop interfering in politics. The Feudal class must be abolished throughout the country. And spreading sectarian and religious hatred must be punishable by law. Regards.

  25. saad Canada Safari Unknow Os says:

    “The Indian Muslims have frozen Islam and its message and divided themselves into many sects…clearly born at the instance of colonial power….They prefer the religion of politics, not the religion of the Quran.”. Maulana Azad

  26. Ashfaq H United States Mozilla Windows says:

    “ BREATHES THERE THE MAN WITH SOUL SO DEAD “ This is the line from an English poem that we used to read in High School level. I am reminded of this line whenever I come across the empty minded duffer Pakistanies like Salman Arshad,
    Kalchakra (involved in some CHAKKAR !!!!!!………) and others like them who should be called ‘ BUDHDHA BRAND SKULLS ’ who accepted at once the GREATEST CONSPIRACY IN THE NAME OF PKISTAN AGAINST THE MUSLIMS OF THE SUB-CONTINENT TO DETIRIORATE AND DESTABILISE AND DIVIDE THE MUSLIM STRENTH AND UNITY THAT ACCORDING TO ALL THE FORECASTS OF MAULANA AZAD, AS REFERRED BY AFZAL HASAN, WAS OPENLY ACCEPTED BY PAKISTANI MEDIA. (NOT AT ALL SPECULATION ) BEFORE PAKISTAN WE WERE SUPPOSED AS SLAVES BUT NOW IT IS UNDENIABLE THAT WE ARE SLAVES OF THE SLAVES, SLAVES OF THE SLAVES ………AND SO ON……AND GOING TO BE LOOTED, CHEATED, DEFRAUDED, KILLED, DESTROYED, KIDNAPPED …AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT… DURING MUHARRAM THE PUBLIC, ALONG THE ROADS OF WILD SECTARIAN SHOW-BUSINESS IS JAILED IN THEIR HOMES AND THIS UTTERLY WILDNESS AGAINST RELIGION AND HUMANITY, IS GIVEN FULL PROTECTION FROM THE GOVT.,ARMY, RANGERS POLICE AND ALL SUCH SECURITY AND BILLIONS ARE WASTED FOR THIS NAKED ENMITY OF HUMANITY AND RELIGION. THIS WAS NEVER DONE ANYWHERE IN INDIA BEFORE PARTITION IN THE RULE OF HINDI RAJAS OR BRITISH RAJ. GOVT. AND ALL ITS AGENCIES ARE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE TO SPREAD AND ENCOURAGE BY AUTHORITIES THIS BARBERIC SECTARIANISM. ( THE FACTS AND REALITIES AND NOT ONLY SPECULATIONS )
    WHY IS IT SO ?? IT IS BECAUSE THE EMPTY SKULLS LIKE THE ABOVE MENTIONED PEOPLE ARE IN MAJORITY AMONG US TO WHOM THE VIVID FACTS AND REALITIES, LIKE DAY LIGHT ARE NOT VISIBLE .
    Secondly, for a sensible human and legal human son, the following points are alarming:
    1- Why the Jinnah Poonja, Aghakhani by birth and Shia by death, should and was involved in the matters of Muslims and Islam since his faction and beliefs are totally opposite to the Sermon of Islam . The facts are on record in all authentic history books and networks.
    2- As his Guru Sultan Aghakhan ( grandfather of present Karim Aghakhan ) was involved excessively in Pakistan Movement,(It is the History and not speculations ) although he places himself as God making his utterly idiot followers bow down prostrate before him or his huge portrait which is quite against the Main Islamic Sermon and even far beyond the Quresh of Mecca before Islam since they worshipped the stone idols that cannot be destroyed. But this Aghakhan, when dies and buried, his worshippers should dig out from his grave after 15 days, surely they will run away from their HAZAR IMAM and not stay within the circumference of 1 to 2 miles due to the extremely unbearable ill smelling of their beloved hazar imam before whom they used to bow..{ IF ANY MUSLIM BOWS DOWN BEFORE THE GRAVE OF OUR PROPHET (P.B.U.H.) ,HE IS CERTIFIED AS ‘ MUSHRIQ AND NONMUSLIM }
    3- It is obvious even for a blind that the such Devil in the form of Human being, why he was in front lines, to become all in all
    and trained his Chela, Jinnah Poonja from his sect who was so trained to change his colours as GIRGIT instantly and stupefy the nonsense masses.
    4. There are the open proofs in Pakistan Gazettes, in the most reliable History by Majumdar., about Shias; Nehjul Balaga; the
    references clearly given by Afzal Hasan.( Proofs and not speculations only )
    5. Aghakhani Jamatkhana is there standing on the Port Trust Land and about the other concerns the facts and Municipal Records and the Land Property Records are there.( these are not only speculations but factual proofs )
    6. About the vast land plots booked and leased so many years before partition by Sultan Agha the records are there and known to so many common people the names of these plots in Karachi are well known. It is interesting to know that a watchman and a riksha driver knew about this game.
    Above all the full history of this miserable country ( excepting the glorious and the most peaceful eras of Ayyub Khan and Shaheed M.Ziaul Haq ) that there is NO safety of life, property, earnings, prestige or faith.
    7. About Shias everything is obvious from all the hateful shows of wilderness along the roads protected and encouraged by the Govt. and all its nonsense agencies that are greater responsible and sinful than such wild sect of horrible goondas in the name of religion.
    8. About Dawoodi Borries it is through my borry friend that their priest drags away almost 20% as Zaqat and their special tax known as Khums,all from the Gross Income.Generally they don’t go for Hajj, instead they go to Najaf ( which they call Najafe Asharaf ) where they have made Secondary KA’BA ( be all the curse & Divine Wrath upon them ).
    9. According to a Borry himself if by the way they happen to go Mecca, for the necessary congregational prayers, they appoint a person from them to stand in the nearest rows to Imam-e- Ka’ba and then they make the mental intention ( NIYYAT) as following their representative standing near the Imam-e-Ka’ba. Any Muslim can understand well what to think of such Hypocrites in their rows !!! If these cheaters play such tricks before ALLAH T’ALA in his home, what else can they not do with sunny Muslims whom they suppose Rivals !
    10. Iranies geerally used to go to Mecca in the time of khumaini for making political propaganda and raising slogans as they were in the day-dream that their priest had come up as the last imam and would win over to occupy Mecca but people know what the death of a dog he died to reach his hell. Now they come in groups and perform their own formalities in whimsical styles. There are rare cases to coincide with us.
    11. Qadiani sect was very beloved for Jinnah as it was a great support for his sect. He had paid so much tribute and assured praises to its Priest Mirza Ghulam. One can see the website of Qadianies on net as to what they claim.

    We are rather thankful to Mr. Afzal Hasan that he has brought before us the research article by some learned persons with all
    the relevant facts and vivid references but it is regrettable to note that such valuable work, necessary according to the
    demands of times, is just like the- SAFFRON TO A DONKEY- for the people like Salman Arshad etc. whom such facts, truths with open proofs appear just as speculations and imaginary in spite of the realities that for 66 years they have been suffering from anything and everything. ………
    This is how THE HATE DESTROYS as the planning of this minority factions was as the result of HATE AGAINST THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS. ANYONE CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND THAT SUCH UNHUMAN CREATURES UTTER THE UNTHINKABLE WORDS AND LENGUAGE AGAINST THE RESPECTABLE COMPANIONS WHO WERE IN THE TIMES OF TRYING HARDSHIPS AND TERRIBLE STRUGGLE AGAINST THE ENEMIES, IN THE COMPANY OF OUR PROPHET (P.B.U.H.) .
    SO WHAT ELSE SUCH DANGEROUS HYPOCRITES CAN NOT DO AGAINST THE MUSLIMS ?
    .WALLAHO A’ALAM

  27. PMA United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    Problem of implementation: Code for sectarian peace
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    2013-12-04
    EVEN as sectarian tensions simmer — as the latest killings in Karachi demonstrated yesterday — efforts are apace elsewhere to find ways of ratcheting down the tensions between the various Muslim sects in the country and to prevent radical elements from whipping up passions. On Monday, religious leaders gathered in Lahore to endorse a nine-point code of conduct drawn from a previous list already mooted by Maulana Tahir Ashrafi in the Council of Islamic Ideology. The essence of the code of conduct agreed to in Lahore on Monday points in the right direction: curbing sectarian hate speech, banning hate literature and graffiti, resisting the use of mosque loudspeakers for anything other than the call to prayer and sermons in Arabic, etc. However, the same questions that were asked by this newspaper and others when Maulana Ashrafi presented his 15 points before the CII are relevant to assess the latest effort.
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    Most basically, who will ensure that the code of conduct is adhered to across the board and in an impartial manner? No one ever condones hate speech publicly, but the problem is more specifically elsewhere: few religious leaders condemn it when it emanates from their side of the sectarian divide and is targeted at other groups. Therein lies one of the great tragedies of Pakistan’s by now long-running sectarian problems: the community leaders who ought to be shunning hate either passively tolerate it or actively propagate it. Maulana Ashrafi has talked of the eventual goal being parliamentary legislation and a robust enforcement mechanism. But that only brings the issue to the next problem: does the state have the will or the capacity to enforce its writ in the cauldron of sectarian tensions? So while something has to be done, it’s not yet quite clear what exactly will work.

  28. Majumdar India Google Chrome Windows says:

    Ashfaq, Afzal and Qamruddin seem to be Congressi Hindoo NRIs writing under a Muslim pseudonym to create discord among Pakistanis/Muslims. They shud be banned forthwith from this forum.
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    Regards

  29. heavy_petting United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Majumdar, You also seem to be in collusion with them,
    .
    Ashfaq writes, “There are the open proofs in Pakistan Gazettes, in the most reliable History by Majumdar., about Shias; Nehjul Balaga; the references clearly given by Afzal Hasan.( Proofs and not speculations only)”

  30. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:


    Wah!! How true!
    this ”BEFORE PAKISTAN WE WERE SUPPOSED AS SLAVES BUT NOW IT IS UNDENIABLE THAT WE ARE SLAVES OF THE SLAVES, SLAVES OF THE SLAVES ”
    .

    I would rather say ‘most of the functional illiterate degree holders’ are Macaulay’s clerks, slaves, Brown sahibs who waste their time eking out frustrations and failures on these scant-read forums.

  31. Shahid United States Mozilla Windows says:

    Again, as correctly said by Mr. Ashfaq H. , some nonsense ‘PENDU’, AKB ( who has no courage to show his real name ) “ BUDHDHA BRAND” has come up to reject the facts that ‘what he is and where is’ in spite of the fact that just before few days “WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INNOCENT CHILDREN OF MADRESSAH IN RAWALPINDI, the home of these shameless and senseless Pedus who are very active to raise sharp salute to BREAD AND BUTTER no matter how and from whom it is. That was well understood by the British so he left away leaving HIS JOB done by the Pendus that is going to be well done as it is on all the records who are responsible to let go half of Pakistan and 93 thousand Pendus without fighting war, in the Indian folds.
    All this ultimate cowardly submission was done to finish up the Bengali Majority over Pendu Majority. According to the forecast by Maulana Azad before partition, this plot was prepared by the Western Powers, unwilling to leave the subcontinent peacefully and they knew and understood perfectly that Mr. Pendu will be easily usable to put into effect their black plots. In the post Hystoric annals NO such miserable fall-down of any country has been recorded. Surprising even more are the facts that the TRAITOR who was advanced by the Majority of these Pendus as the Democratic Leader (who was also Shia ), drunkard, lier and blackmailer was also accepted as ALL IN ALL as in the case of the Greatest Hypocrite, Jinnah Poonja ( Aghakhani-cum-Shia ). Then he was accepted to usurp illegal powers as “ MARTIAL LAW ADMINISTRATOR ” (Z.A. Bhutto who acted as Democratic Leader) and become President, Primeminister etc., create illegal Parliament that had NO right to rule, that framed the CONSTITUTION WHICH IS ITSELF LEGALLY “UNCONSTITUTIONAL” (OF COURSE NOT IN PAKISTANI COURTS ) . Such the illegal in anything is possible in this country since the Pendu Majority is always ready to support anything and everything wherein Bread and Butter is easy and safe.
    With the passage of times it is going to be visible, as expressed in the comment by the learned Mr. Qamruddin that Gen. Ayyub Khan and Shaheed M. Ziaul Haq were the most successful,sincere and patriot Rulers who made this moth eaten country UPRIGHT, were lost by the unfortunate people as all the conspiracy of Western powers against these sincere rulers was readily supported by the Majority of the Pendus. US removed Ayyubkhan through his Democratic man Z.A. Bhutto who went away breaking Pakistan, demoralizing Army, deteriorating education,industry, economy, morality and everything. The broken ship of this country was again brought to standard by Shaheed M. Ziaul Haq who finished up the professional political Choudharies,Vaderas etc. but it came to known to the Pendus that in the next step the Zia Sahab was going to finish the Army Choudharies and Vaderas, the most dangerous plot to finish the Shaheed with his patriot companions was prepared on Military level ( Pakistan Press Record ) and NO VOICE raised by the Pendu Majority who claim themselves the most patriot.
    The following remark by some thinker, was noted on net :
    What culture such country can give to the new generation except extrmists of intriguing political parties,loot,cheat,fraud and wasteful cricket culture where one can see youngesters along the roads like stray dogs hurting, harming the passerby and brazing like donkeys. Upon the trifle cricket matches wretched youngesters who apparently don’t deserve any food or water,can be seen possesingTTs,guns,pistols and firing at their free will and as a result of this wilderness,some casulties are also reported time to time.These fools don’t realise that Americans,the illegal produce of Britain,don’t play and keep any cricket team as they take it as a foreign game. They are so alert about their national culture and prestige.
    Business men are threatened to deposit heavy amounts by BHATHTHA MAFIA and in some cases they are tortured and kidnapped and even killed.
    THE NEW PRESIDENT ADVISED TO HOLD ‘KUSH KOL’ IN HAND BUT THE SARDAR WENT TO US WITH KUSH KOL IN BOTH HANDS………. THERE WHAT A FUN HE WAS MADE OF !.
    HARDLY THE RULING ELITE SEEM TO BE SINCERELY CONCERNED OR SERIOUS ABOUT THESE MISERIES SINCE THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE POLICIES OF THEIR MASTERS TO KEEP THEM PLEASED THAT PAKISTAN IS GOING TO BE BEATEN CONTINUOUSLY DAY AND NIGHT.
    Hence any Mr. Pendu must note that “ THEY ARE SLAVES OF THE SLAVES, SLAVES OF THE SLAVES……..AND SO ON UPTO……..1111 TIMES

  32. saad Canada Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Muslims as a community have become cowards. They have no fear of God, instead they fear men. This explains why they are so obsessed with threats to their existence – a figment of their imagination…..(Maulana Azad)

  33. heavy_petting United States Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    Saad, People like Zafarullah Khan, even the Khalifatul Masih himself at the forefront of Pakistan movement were cowards and had no fear of God?

  34. saad Canada Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Romain sb: We should take our friend Kaal to task for driving Rex of this site! Here is Rex’s recent interaction in ET.

    I trust that ET will allow this reply to Indian myths….
    Indian constitution is the implant of French Constitution(the so called egalitarian because of the french revolution and the influence of Islam), it practices slavery unmatched in any other country but the minister responsible calls it a Bonded Labour; the majority of its laws practiced are from colonial days and cannot eliminate or prevent the rape culture every 20 minutes(official sttistics), second in the world after south Africa. There are no morals or ethical standards in their commnities or protection for women and practice of the ancient caste systems. Its military is used to maintain the Government hold on the so called democratic order and occupation of iits states when nedcessar, not by any democratic standard. It practices the sterilisation of women to control population growth…
    Rex Minor

    There are no minorities in a democracy which gives equal rights to its citizens. Pakistan is not a democracy per say and has laws from the colonial days. Why complain or lament about the courts.
    Rex Minor

  35. Rozina United States Mozilla Windows says:

    Hazrat Pendu may not be knowing that the RATES OF OUR UTILITY BILLS ARE DICTATED BY IMF, WORLD BANK, US, UK AND THAT THE AID GIVING COUNTRIES CAN DO ANYTHING WITH YOU AT A FLYING KICK. ALSO THE POLICIES UNDER THE CAPTION OF ‘ RECOMMENDATIONS ’, OUR BUDGET, ECONOMY, FINANCE, MILITRY ARE DECIDED ON WESTERN TABLES.
    A lot of this continuously goes on with you since your Western Masters have well understood your mentality that Mr. Pendu’s tail starts vibrating at the sight of Bread & Butter. So highly proclaimed as the Phplosopher (whimsical ) and National Poet, Dreamer (may be ‘ Day Dreamer’ ) of such a lame, lingering and moth eaten country
    who used to show himself as “ Eastern, Religious, Original Thinker….etc. had envisioned this ugly country as Islamic Model under the ACTORSHIP of none other than Jinnah Poonja, Aghakhani-cum-Shia, the faction that is the first hand enemy of muslims and Islam, as recorded from their history and so much in the above comments about their evil intentions. Most alarming is the fact that this so called Eastern Poet rejected all the Ideal Pioneers of Pakistan from noble parentage who sacrificed so much passing half of their lives in jails, losing their party men and family members. 65 years miserable live history is before every one how nice was the DREAM of that ( NEEM ) Hakimul Ummat.
    Rightly in the Holy Quraan, there are about five verses to remain alert from poets and not to follow them. Three of these verses are in Surah Shoara ( XXVI—224,225,226 ).
    To think about the Pendu Poet it is obvious that where they are…and what they are….
    Some years back, Pak Govt. was at BED IN ICU, when all of a sudden the American Angel ( purchased Pakistani stooge ),MOIN QURESHI arrived and formed the care-taker Govt. and flew away. Dear Pendus how nice the Bread and Butter ready for you !!

  36. saad Canada Internet Explorer Windows says:

    Ayaz Amir The News Pakistan

    “In a political sense there was nothing wrong with the demand for Pakistan. The Muslims of the Subcontinent, or at least their leadership organised in the Muslim League, wanted a separate homeland. The American colonies wanted independence from the British Crown. In our time Soviet republics broke away from the Soviet Union. Slovakia has broken away from the Czech Republic. The Scottish National Party is struggling for Scottish independence (and I hope it gets it).

    But while perfectly legitimate in the political sense, the demand for Pakistan was an anomaly in the context of Islam, a religion whose message is universal and not confined to any territory, a religion indeed in which there is no place for the division of territories on the basis of religion. The ummah, the brotherhood of Islam, is one, transcending geographical boundaries. Nation-states are a fact of modern life. But the ideal, the Islamic ideal, remains the ummah.

    It can be said, and with justice, that the demand for Pakistan had its own compulsions and that to achieve it Islam had to be put at the service of politics. This is entirely understandable. When Jinnah got up to speak in the Constituent Assembly on August 11, just three days before the birth of Pakistan, he tried to convey to his audience the sense that a watershed had been crossed. The past was the past and the future demanded a different approach.

    For the previous ten years Jinnah had been speaking a different idiom, emphasising Muslim separatism: that Muslims and Hindus were different, not just in their modes of worship but in their ways of life. Now when the goal for which he had striven so hard and with such single-minded determination was finally at hand, he was suddenly saying something else: that the divisions of the past should be left behind, that Muslims and Hindus, indeed followers of all religions, would be equal citizens in the new state.

    If only Jinnah had lived longer, if only his successors had some of his breadth of vision. But that was not to be and instead of becoming a secular republic, which was the meaning of Jinnah’s words, the new state went off in a different direction, its Islamic character stressed more and more, the Constituent Assembly passing the Objectives Resolution – a document which gives a theocratic interpretation of the source of authority in the new state – the air filling more and more with Islamic rhetoric, and over time a polity coming into existence in which those not of the Islamic faith found themselves to be second class citizens.

    To reiterate, the demand for Pakistan was not secular. We have to be clear about this. An appeal to religious separatism could hardly be called that. But the message in the Aug 11 address is out-and-out secular… “you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques…” etc. The Objectives Resolution was a regression, a going back to the religious baggage of the Pakistan movement.

    What’s wrong with that?, you will say. Much…that’s the short answer. The politicisation of Islam, Islam as a tool of politics, a device of expediency, a means of acquiring political legitimacy as happened under Zia, has not taken us closer to Islam. It has taken us further away from it. Do love and tolerance prevail in this country created in the name of Islam?”

  37. Truthful United Kingdom Google Chrome Windows says:

    “If only Jinnah had lived longer…” goes the lament. Who knows? Possibly things could have been worse. Ask those who have had 17 years of Nehru. There is also a school of opinion that says, India would have been a better place if Nehru had left (the national scene) as quickly as Jinnah. Maybe Pakistan was better of without Jinnah.

  38. PMA United States Google Chrome Windows says:

    saad Canada December 4, 2013 at 4:49 pm
    saad Canada December 9, 2013 at 7:25 pm
    .
    Saad Hafiz Sahab you are wasting time promoting your dead mentor. The utility of the gentleman is long gone. There are no takers of the Moulana; neither here nor in his native land.

  39. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    @Shahid

    AKB is my real name…..try to figure it out, if you have some grit in your upper storey!
    /
    Nothing in your comment is noteworthy….you have just regurgitated which every man on the street whines about. When a country is led by bad leaders you cannot expect its people to be good. Unemployment, inflation, extreme corruption and economic crunch has made people go berserk and mad. When this happens a country faces trouble until a new good leadership emerges or a civil revolution takes place. Until them do not expect any betterment in Pak society. Religion doesn’t have much to do with present economic crisis….give everyone a job so he can earn his bread and butter comfortably and all shall be well.And for that our leadership and so called intellectuals and liberals have to come out of the

  40. AKB Pakistan Mozilla Firefox Windows says:

    contd… to do with present economic crisis….give everyone a job so he can earn his bread and butter comfortably and all shall be well.And for that our leadership and so called intellectuals and liberals have to come out of their la la land!!

  41. Ashfaq H. United States Mozilla Windows says:

    Our SAAD sahib is so simple that he has brought into play Ayyaz Amir, a political-cum-newspaper time-pass toy who is no more than a grazing animal trying to gather something from here and there. There are lot of such persons playing the roles of political analyst, columnist, Reporter etc. Daily routine of such loitering animals is to find a moment to utter anything in public and write something in Two-Paisa’s news paper to fill their pages, all to make their Image among the masses of Idiots. Such animals, in their blind run, don’t feel any need to stop to think deeper about past, present or future.
    As such, Ayyaz Amir has poured something that requires to think. First of all he has compared the emergence of US-UK-Jewish planned Pakistan, under the HYPOCRITE ACTORSHIP of Aghakhani-cum-Shia Jinnah Poonja who had nothing to do with Muslims,
    Islam or even Insan, with the independence of American Colonies from the British, Soviet Republics from Soviet union, Slovakia from Czech and so on. This thoughtless comparision is quite absurd since the British were ready under the US diplomatic compulsion to give independence to whole the Indian sub-continent which was aimed at replacing himself (US) in place of UK. The most dangerous political Black Plot of the Western Powers was NOT TO GO LEAVING INDIA IN PEACE BUT TO LEAVE MAKING HINDUS AND MUSLIMS WHO HAD BEEN LIVING MOSTLY PEACEFULLY FOR THE LAST 1200 YEARS, PERMENANT ENEMIES OF EACH OTHER.
    The Director General of this dangerous Plot was Sultan Aghakhan (grand father of Karim Aghakhan ) , the First Hand Stooge of all the Western lobbies as it is the undeniable Historical Record that this man was behind their planned Pakistan since as early as 40 to 50 years before partition and that is why he had booked and got leased very very vast land plots for his duffer followers some 20 to 50 before partition in both the wings that were planned by all the Conspirers to make Pakistan which is different from what the REAL PIONEERS had demanded.
    It has been through the personal witnesses, none other than Ismaili Followers themselves who have converted as Muslims that the Aghakhani faction is quite Anti-Islamic whose internal move is to defame Islam and Muslims as he makes his faction most modern mainly through female class as he earns TRIOLLIONS AND SPENDS MILLIONS by stupefying his Idiot Followers.
    These facts are on historical records as expressed in above valuable comments by some learned persons.
    So much early planning of Pakistan in the remote past was with the main back-ground of THE UNITED REVOLUTION OF HINDU-MUSLIM AGAINST THE BRITISH REGIME in 1857 . THAT MOVE WAS SO TERRIBLE FOR THE BRITISH RULERS THAT AT THE SAME TIME THEY HAD BECOME ALERT THAT SOONER OR LATER THEY WOULD HAVE TO QUIT INDIA.
    But as the British is the most REVENGEFUL CUNNING FOX, he was not at all willing to quit India leaving Hindus and Muslims united and peaceful. Hence to bring them to fight and become permanent enemy of each other, The Great Stooge Sultan Aghakhan was used like anything.
    Accordingly, Sultan Aghakhan who had multiple sectarian vested interests of his own, hijacked the Pakistan Movement from his real Pioneers through main three points;
    Captured Aligarh Muslim University as the highest policy maker, Created the most disastrous Fraud of 20th century, All India Muslim League that made the ignorant muslims to take as their own league that was meant for serving the purposes of Aghakhan, Shias and their allied factions. And the last but not the least he created from his faction the so called creator of Pakistan who had NOT AT ALL suffered or sacrificed anything, except making stage show and issuing hypocritic and ambiguous table statements mostly dictated by his masters to throw the foolish masses into confusion for ever who have always been quarreling about the utterances of that GREAT BLACKMAILER.
    Again as written by Ayyaz Amir, “ When Jinnah got up to speak……….citizens in the new state ( he did not utter ‘ Muslim State ’ )
    from the writing of Ayyaz himself it is obvious that WHAT THE GREAT GIRGIT WAS THE JINNAH POONJA WHO COULD CHANGE THE COLOUR AT ONCE. The writer may be knowing that prior to the stage mentioned by him, in pre-partition days that GREAT CHEATER had acted as the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity, just to make befooling stand as good figure !!! Luckily there has been so much to understand everything from various comments from the research work of learned persons as above.
    To effect his Masters’ “ DIVIDE & RULE ” then he started the diplomacies of SEPARATISM in such the manner that our Prophet (P.B.U. H.) had never thought of any separate country for Muslims nor He (P.B.U.H.) ever preached against any non-muslim as Jinnah did.
    The extract from all the above is that the Move or Demand for Pakistan might be genuine but by the western conspiracy and underhand dealing with all minority factions of imposing absolutely FALSE ACTORSHIP ( NOT LEADERSHIP ) the movement was converted into THE GREATEST FRAUD FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS THROUGH THE MINORITY FACTIONS WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE FOREMOST ENEMIES OF MUSLIMS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING AS THE SNAKES OF SLEEVES UNDER THE MASTER MIND AND BACKING OF IRAN.

  42. saad Canada Internet Explorer Windows says:

    It is difficult, rather impossible, to fight against the misplaced enthusiasm of a mob, but to suppress one’s conscience is worse than death. Today Muslims are not walking, they are flowing. The problem is that Muslims have not learnt to walk steadily; they either run or flow with the tide. When a group of people lose confidence and self-respect, they are surrounded by imaginary doubts and dangers and fail to make a distinction between right and wrong…

    Muslims must realise that they are bearers of a universal message. They are not a racial or regional grouping in whose territory others cannot enter. Strictly speaking, Muslims in India are not one community; they are divided among many well-entrenched sects. You can unite them by arousing their anti-Hindu sentiment, but you cannot unite them in the name of Islam. To them, Islam means undiluted loyalty to their own sect.

    Apart from Wahhabi, Sunni and Shia, there are innumerable groups who owe allegiance to different saints and divines. Small issues like raising hands during prayer and saying ‘ameen’ loudly have created disputes that defy solution. The ulema have used the instrument of ‘takfeer’ (fatwas declaring someone an infidel) liberally. Earlier, they used to take Islam to the disbelievers; now they take away Islam from the believers….

    “But today the situation is worse than ever. Muslims have become firm in their communalism; they prefer politics to religion and follow their worldly ambitions as commands of religion. History bears testimony to the fact that, in every age, we ridiculed those who pursued the good with consistency, snuffed out the brilliant examples of sacrifice and tore the flags of selfless service. Who are we, the ordinary mortals; even high ranking Prophets were not spared by these custodians of tradition. (Maulana Azad)

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