Draft Code of Conduct for Readers’ comments on PTH

Note: This is a draft document for approval by readership at Pakteahouse (“PTH”).

Statement of Objects and Reasons:

It has been observed that readers’ comments often deteriorate into personal attacks, insults and abuse which deters many bona fide readers from commenting on PTH. The present document therefore  seeks to establish certain ground rules and a moderation policy for the comments here.

Rule 1

With the exception of those articles which are in another language such as Urdu, comments have to be in the English Language. Readers posting in any other language, subject to the aforesaid exception, shall have their comments in those other languages removed.

Rule 2

Presumption of good faith shall attach to each comment. Consequently no insinuations of a personal nature or insinuations as to the character, background, or agenda shall be tolerated under any circumstances. Such comments are liable to be removed accordingly.

Rule 3

Any comments deemed to constitute hate speech i.e. against any person’s racial, national, religious or sectarian affiliation, or gender or sexual orientation, shall be removed forthwith. However bona fide criticisms of any idea or historical event shall not be removed, provided the same is expressed in respectful language and is not made with a malicious intent to offend any section or class of persons.

Rule 4

Repetitive violations of Rules 3 or 4 would lead to a blanket removal of all of the comments by the said reader. Repetitive violations: a minimum number of violations would be three but it shall be at the discretion of the moderator/editor.

Rule 5

In the event that a solid body of readership disagrees with removal of a comment or comments under Rules 2, 3 or 4, it would be open to five or more readers with a minimum of 100 approved comments each to challenge. If five or more readers with a minimum of 100 approved comments challenge the moderator/editor’s decision to delete a comment or comments listing reasons, the moderator/editor’s decision shall be overruled and the moderator/editor shall restore the said comment or comments as the case may be.

End of draft code of conduct rules.

Note: Please notify your acceptance or disagreement and give reasons for it in the comments section. For this to be passed as the applicable code of conduct, a yes vote by five readers with a minimum of 100 approved comments will suffice. Amendments are welcome.

  • kaalchakra

    “nothing I argue is even remotely Islamist”

    Dear Masadi, nothing you argue is even remotely Islamist just as the natural evolution of human psyche that will naturally evolve as the preferred alternative after the destruction of the Western civilization as explained in the perfectly Natural Book of the perfectly Natural Religion and communism – neither of which have anything to do with the state.

    Have you seen anyone arguing otherwise? What makes you so upset, my friend?

  • hellfire

    regarding censorship…masadi is DEMANDING folks like myself and kaal to get the ” f” off this site. who, I ask, is being the censor???

    to masadi: your anti “amreekkka” rants and your hate filled mantra are really boring now. yah….amreekkka is at fault for every problem on the planet, it will fall son, malala will become a crack whore blahblahblah…never have you offered any sort of resolution to what you see as the biggest problem on the planet (the problem of “amreekkkan kkkapitalism”).

    put up or shut up already. otherwise put on a bark collar and set it to “max”.

  • kaalchakra

    If you still want to know, dear Masadi, I have stayed with this site for so long because I find the people who own and run this site to be fascinating individuals, engaged in fascinating and admirable work, in a unique, open manner, even though many years ago, my own personal views about the nature of the problem they (and all of us in many ways) face changed quite significantly.

    If that bothers you, there is little I can or will do to help you. Apologies, my friend.

  • tajender

  • kaalchakra

    “regarding censorship…masadi is DEMANDING folks like myself and kaal to get the ” f” off this site”

    Hellfire, one has to learn to deal with Islamists and militarists with amused admiration (unless they pose a real physical threat). They are demanding here today exactly what they were demanding on Chowk, in fact, as they do on every other forum. One has to ignore them. It is a reflex action they can’t help, and few of them possess the integrity or intelligence of my Islamist friend Zeemax.

    Later.

    (Dear Masadi, please do keep writing. Understanding you is an important additional aspect of my spending time here. Best.)

  • masadi

    kaal: ” I have stayed with this site for so long because I find the people who own and run this site to be fascinating individuals”

    So you have been reduced now to substanceless polishing of the asses of the owners of this site. You must really disrespect them to believe that this will make a difference to them, who knows, you might be correct, they might be as shallow as you see them.

  • kaalchakra

    No Masadi, they don’t run PTH for me. I come here for them (and for people like you).

    Best, and later.

  • masadi

    good, keep polishing their butts, you are of a very low character to supplement your low intelligence.

  • masadi

    YLH: please note the big post after big post by Kaal and HF discussing and trying to diss the person of masadi devoid of any issues, they are concentrating on the person of masadi with labels etc. Do you job and get these morons out of here. Thanks.

  • hellfire

    kaal saab, sage advice indeed and your points are well taken.
    best regards

  • masadi

    Please note, Kamran Bokhari, works for Stratfor, wanted to establish caliphate, masadi was victim of his violent threats in the 1990s. He is like ISIS, possibly a U.S. intelligence asset that is why he is immune from every authority’s investigation. If you are in Canada report him, he lives and works there.

    http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/6671

  • masadi

    Verzie/Hellfire, if you want solutions/alternatives etc, open up my account you have blocked on dbb and let me post there. On the one hand you support censorship by blocking accounts and asking for “on topic” chat on a blog where you jumped in out of the blue talking on a singular topic of masadi and then you want solutions. I have a solution for you but that isn’t kosher for this blog, it involves doing something to yourself after getting your wife’s permission.

  • masadi

    lmao rotfl –> gfuhf <–

  • bjk

    I have to admit this Dadri incident has shaken me to the core. I cannot even begin to grope for the words to say. It is very important for us all to do our best to combat darkness even though it might often appear overpowering. It is an absolute moral duty. This is not the India that I left behind and certainly not the country whose image I carry in my heart and what I cherish.

  • hellfire

    bjk…

    My fondest wish mirrors yours. May one day the wish be fulfilled. This goes for both India but perhaps even more for Pakistan. My sons will never see the land of their heritage unless and u til thigs improve dramatically. very disenheartening esp reading some of the vitriol here that sees no end.

  • Kamath

    Saadi: Nice to see you back in PTH again. How come you don’t publish your DT articles in PTH any more?
    Shalom!

  • Kamath

    Note to Gorki:
    Gorki Sahib: Perhaps you are the right person who should inform many smart but less informed persons in PTH about the nature of sociopathic, borderline personalities. Additional bit of info about untreated mania and psychosis in people would be well explained by you. See your response. Good luck.

  • saadhafiz

    Kamath: thanks! because PTH only wants exclusive articles. Shalom

  • Kamath

    Hafiz Sahib:

    The idea that PTH wants only exclusive columns is understandable in the interest of raising its profile. But you have vast pool of ideas , liberal, intellectual and insightful…..etch. I think you ought to write perhaps once a month even a 500 word column lest these valuable thoughts are lost ! Writing is a creative skill and if not put to use, they can get lost. Many years ago , John Kenneth Galbraith made an observation but true ,” some write for others and some write for themselves……” Good luck.

    Salaam

  • Kamath

    Saadhafiz: Yes, I forgot . Atleast, DT I understand pays 5,000 Rupes to its colomnists and it Is read by atleast 10,000 readers. Even if 100 people appreciate your writing, it is a gain for the society. But in PTH how many? So I can understand!

  • saadhafiz

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/opinion/04-Oct-2015/stopping-the-money

    Stopping the money by Saad Hafiz

    Choking off financing is a critical part of the battle against international terrorism. It is as important as disrupting and degrading terrorist operations and capabilities. But it is not an easy undertaking as Pakistan is finding out in its existential struggle against domestic terrorism. A huge challenge is the massive inflow of funds to sectarian groups and radical religious schools from external sources, mostly ‘brotherly’ countries. Terrorist violence in Pakistan is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors from the Middle East whose governments do little to stop them.

    In this context, a secret December 2009 paper signed by then US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton identified Saudi Arabia as the world’s largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Taliban and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT). According to Clinton, “Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money.” Three other Arab countries were listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE.

    Traditionally, terrorist groups have favoured multiple revenue streams. These groups rely on covert fundraising and illegal activities, like drug trafficking, kidnapping, smuggling or counterfeiting to generate revenue that is difficult to track through the financial system. The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities. Fundraising campaigns often conflate jihadist fighting and humanitarian aid. For example, funds collected in the name of orphans and refugees find their way to Sunni jihadists waging war against the Shia and infidels. In this way, funds earmarked for war and aid become indistinguishable. Thus, an important priority in the fight against terrorism is to devise an effective way to tackle the problem of religious charities.

    Law enforcement efforts are further confounded by the fact that devastating attacks can be accomplished at relatively low cost. Even a small donation can go far: though the 9/11 attacks are believed to have cost as much as half a million dollars, most terrorist operations have had much more modest budgets. The UN estimates that the 2002 bombing of a Bali nightclub cost about $ 50,000. By comparison, the 2004 Madrid train bombing is believed to have cost between $ 10,000 and $ 15,000. The 2005 attacks on London’s mass transit system apparently cost about $ 2,000. The LeT operates on a budget of just $ 5.25 million a year, according to US estimates.

    In certain countries, the terrorists’ financial engine is chugging at full force right under the nose of law enforcement. Despite the freezing of substantial terrorist assets in bank accounts worldwide, experts say terrorist groups have become increasingly adept at eluding detection through use of cash, sophisticated laundering operations or legitimate front companies. Monetary practices, such as donating to charities and informal money transfer centres (hawala), have compounded the difficulty in tracking down terrorist financial links. Terrorists have also begun to rely more on cash, leaving less of a paper trail. The use of middlemen to smuggle cash, in addition to employing decades’ old smuggler routes, makes terrorist financing especially hard to track.

    The effort to cut terrorists off from their finances has a long way to go. A couple of factors frustrate attempts to dam these rivers of cash. First, the relatively open banking systems of some Gulf States do not automatically raise red flags when money is siphoned to religious causes. Second, these states are loath to limit the activities of highly influential donors due to the political fallout such intervention may cause. Cracking down on some influential financiers is politically complicated for these countries’ leaderships. Third, there is also a large inflow of donations from individuals and expatriates to religious institutions, part of which is believed to be diverted to militant and sectarian networks.

    The Pakistani authorities have decided to make it obligatory for religious schools (madrassas) to get their accounts audited and reveal their sources of funding. It is certainly a step in the right direction but some tough measures need to be put in place against those who defy their legal obligations. That will certainly be a major test for the federal and provincial governments. What has to change is the funding quagmire that extends to Pakistan itself. In the past, western governments had detailed sharp criticism of the government’s ambivalence towards funding of militant groups that enjoy covert military support.

    So, in the end, this is a matter of will. Governments cannot parade on the international scene their desire to assist in taking on the global threat from extremism but then condone, in their own backyard, those providing the means to carry through that deadly intent. Pressure needs to come not just from states primarily under the threat of terrorism but from all those nations committed to providing a stable and secure world in which trade can flourish, poverty can be reduced and freedom from fear can be secured.

  • saadhafiz

    Kamath: thanks. It is really nothing to do with money. I don’t get paid by DT. In any case, newspapers struggle to survive these days. I just don’t have the energy to provide original content to both DT and PTH. The occasional interaction with readers like yourself is interesting enough. Shalom,

  • Kamath

    Saad: I was only kidding when I said DT colomnists are getting paid well . Nowadays in the age of Internet, newspapers are on hard times!

    You are right about choking off money supply from MEast countries that promote religious fanaticism. But it is very difficult as money can BUY even the legislators and the police. They simply close their eyes and behave it is not happening. No body is going to bell the cat!

    Very sad and frightening.